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MrRee
05-23-2005, 06:47 AM
"Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?" Lamentations 3: 38-39 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Lam/Lam003.html#38)
This little known verse plainly asserts that evil as well as good comes from the mouth of God. At the same time, men who possess God given evil must endure punishment for God's cruel gift.
additionally ~II Samuel 12:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Sa/2Sa012.html#11) ; I Kings 14:10 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Ki/1Ki014.html#10) "I will bring evil upon..."
"And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." (I Samuel 16:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa016.html#23))
Here it specifically describes an evil spirit from God!
What religious killer could not also view this passage as justification for his evil nature?
Note that many murderers and serial killers have attributed the Biblical God to the reason for their slaughters. If the Religious Right feels so adamant about eliminating violence and pornography from secular literature, then why have they not seen that the Bible has influenced more deaths and atrocities than any other literature in the history of mankind?
additionally ~ I Samuel 19:9 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa019.html#9)
"And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand." I Samuel 19:9 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa019.html#9)
here we have again, the clear Biblical wording of evil coming from the LORD.
Reading the Old Testament appears to affirm the observation that God and Satan, if not one in the same, at least work as a team.
additionally ~I Samuel 16:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa016.html#23)
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa045.html#7)
Here it explicitly states that God creates evil as well as makes peace. Considering that since the invention of man-made religions there has always existed war, it appears that God likes war more than peace.
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MrRee
05-24-2005, 08:49 AM
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I will build my church..." (Matthew 16:18 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat016.html#18))
But he turned, and said unto Peter. Get thee behind me Satan:
thou art an offence unto me. for thou savourest not the things
that be of God, but those that be of man. (Matthew 16:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat016.html#23))
Many believers think that when Jesus said "Get thee behind me," he had spoken this only to Satan (as in Luke 4:8 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk004.html#8)). Not so.
Many Catholics feel honored to belong to the original church established by Jesus. To this day, Catholics acknowledge Peter as the first Pope, the "rock" that Jesus built his church upon. But in just five verses later, amazingly, we have Jesus calling Peter Satan. Did Satan really pose as the first Pope or did Jesus simply vilify again? Can you imagine a business owner promoting a man to a job, and then just after the promotion, arguing about his job qualifications? Jesus seems to have a poor sense of delegating duty to the right person here. Furthermore soon before Jesus died, Peter denied knowing Jesus (note, the cock crowed on the first denial, according to Mark 14:66-72 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mar/Mar014.html#66) not after the third as the alleged Jesus soothsayed in John 13:38 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn013.html#38)). If the faithful should believe the Church's beginning came from someone who offended and denied Jesus, then perhaps it should also give them reason why the Catholic church seemed to act so demoniacally in their instigation of holy wars, inquisitions and anti-Semitism throughout history. In any case, we should question Jesus' choice for the "rock."
"Surely, I come quickly." (Revelation 22:20 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev022.html#20))
The last words of Jesus in the Bible. It has been two thousand years, and Jesus has not come back, hence he did not come quickly. Therefore, this represents either proof of the falsehood of the Bible or that Jesus lied.
Who represents the Great Liar in Christian thought?
"AND Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD." (Leviticus 10:1-2 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Lev/Lev010.html#top))
In Sunday school, many children learn that Satan lives within and uses fire, yet here we have fire coming out of God to devour two young men to death. Their only crime came from offering before God a "strange fire." Although no one knows what the term "strange fire" means, it seems improbable that it could deserve a cruel death.
"Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench." (I Kings 18:38 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Ki/1Ki018.html#38))
We get told that Satan involves himself with the eternal consuming fire, yet the Bible makes it abundantly clear that hell fire comes directly from God.
"And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." (Deuteronomy 28:63 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu028.html#63))
If the religious mind believes that God represents a loving God, then one must wonder about God, as described in the Bible, who would rejoice to destroy some of his creations.
Should we hold honor to an insane God? The Bible assures us that God possesses an evil spirit with hate, and full of wrath, and here he rejoices in destruction! God appears completely devoid of any wit or humor; a mental state that psychologists have observed in many schizophrenics.
MrRee
05-25-2005, 05:11 AM
"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." (Malachi 4:1 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mal/Mal004.html#top))
"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." (Malachi 4:3 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mal/Mal004.html#top))
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." (Malachi 4:5-6 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mal/Mal004.html#top))
This last chapter of Malachi ends the book of the Old Testament. One would think it might end with a flourish of enlightenment. Instead we get fear of burning to death and can only look forward to the dreadful day of the Lord. With all the horrors recorded in the Bible, perhaps it should not surprise anyone to see the Old Testament end with the word "curse."
"And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword." (Joshua 10:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jos/Jos010.html#11))
Another typical slaughter described in the Bible. Here we have God, personally throwing great stones on the people for the sole purpose of killing them.
"The Christian religion has been and still is the principle enemy of moral progress in the world." --Bertrand Russell
"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters so a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods." (Exodus 34:14-16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd034.html#14))
Verse 14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd034.html#14) (among other verses of the Bible) makes it abundantly clear that this God not only feels jealous but the Bible names him Jealous. Why an all powerful God should feel jealous of his creations simply because they believed in other gods remains unclear. Could it mean that other gods exist as well as the Hebrew god or that the other gods do a better job?
It appears that many Christians fail to heed this explicit command in verse 16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd034.html#16) to not make molten gods. Many Christians use plastic Jesus' or molten statuettes of Christ tortured and nailed to a Cross (Jesus, supposedly God in human form).
"And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died." (Numbers 21:5-6 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Num/Num021.html#top))
The Israelites began to complain against God about their miserable condition in the wilderness. So what did their loving God do? Their Jealous god sent fiery serpents to cause even more misery and death! Serpents, usually regarded as the Devil, appears to have come from the direct will of God here. Do God and Satan work together as a team?
Kharakov
05-25-2005, 09:31 PM
Isaiah 14:12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!
MrRee
05-26-2005, 04:41 AM
Isaiah 14:12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!
O shining one, son of the dawn! = Lucifer
KJV Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
Revelation 22:16,
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
NIV: 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
NIV Reader, can you say to the "lord" OUT LOUD,
"Oh, lord, Thank you for giving me the NIV.
It is proper to call Jesus a fallen creature.
Jesus and Lucifer are the same.
Thank you, father." If you can, the lord and father
you are praying to is--SATAN.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm
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