The bible and Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)

[cabdirazzaq]

As a muslim I believe that Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) has been mentioned in the bible in the following verse we shall soon come to read -if God wills.

If I were to ask any christian if Jesus(peace be upon him) was mentioned in the old testament I would receive an affermative even though his name (not christ, its a title) isn´t mentioned. Then how can one know that he was even mentioned? Because the description falls perfect with the one of Jesus(peace be upon him). The verse in the old testament says:

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. Deu.18:15

It is not possible that this verse(even though their are other which do) speaks about Jesus(peace be upon him). This, because of a number of reasons:

"like you" In which way is Moses(peace be upon him) and Jesus(peace be upon him) alike other than being prophets and isralites?(if this is the only criteria, then the prophecy could apply to Solomon,David, Joshua(peace be upon them) etc

1. You claim Jesus(peace be upon him) is the son of Allah(may he be exalted from such claims)
2. You say he was crucified and died for all of our sins.

Not lets see what similarities we find between Moses(peace be upon him) and Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)

1. They were both borned naturally and both had children and wives while Jesus(peace be upon him) did not marry according to you nor did he have children.
2. Their people both accepted them as prophets while they were alive and they both had a great nation while Jesus(peace be upon him) people(the jews) yet to this day deny him.
3. They both had to emmigrate , Moses(peace be upon him) to Madyan and Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) to Medina.
4. They both died natural deaths while Jesus(peace be upon him) was crucified according to the bible and then raised up while muslims rather claim he wasn't killed but raised up, however he didn't die as normal people do.
5. Both were seen as prophets when they were grownups while Jesus(peace be upon him) was one since day 1.
6. Both broth new laws for their people while the son of Mary also followed the torah aswellthe rules but


"from among their brothers;" the verse didnt say from themselves or from the among the jews but it saíd, from their brothers. As we all know Isaacand Ishmaeel (peace be upon them) were brothers. From the offspring of one came the jews and from the offspring of the other came arabs, the bible affirms 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18).

"I will put my words in his mouth," If I would simply tell you to read a passage of a book it wouldn't count as If I was putting words in your mouth, but if I told you to repeat reciting after me then I would be "putting words in your mouth".
History tells us that he was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue: 'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) is terrified and in his bewilderment replies " MA ANA BEQARA which means I AM NOT LEARNED!(I cannot read) The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created- Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,- He Who taught (the use of) the pen,- Taught man that which he knew not. [Quran 96]

This kind if revelation continued until the day he dies, around 23 years he received quran by having words put in his mouth. Compare this to the prophecy in Isiah: "AND THE BOOK IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED, SAYING, READ THIS I PRAY THEE: AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." (Isaiah 29:12).

Now this following verse explains to us that the jews were awaiting 3 prophets and that this versed mentioned earlier is not speaking about Jesus(peace be upon him)

Now this was John's testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.
They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.” [john 1.19-22]

If we were to take any bible with a cross reference such as the New american standard bible or the contemporary english version(or NIV) we would find that "the prophet" is the one mentioned in Deu.18:15 and 18.18 the verse we now have proved is not speaking about Jesus(peace be upon him)
It says in the contemporary english version:

the Prophet: Many of the Jewish people expected God to send them a prophet who would be like Moses, but with even greater power (see Deuteronomy 18.15,18).

It is clear that this verse is not speaking about Jesus(peace be upon him) since they asked him 3 questions and not 2, so whom is it speaking of? This question is for you to answer...

[ryupower]

hmmm...you brought up some good points. But I believe the person whom Allah was talking about John the Baptist...*notices she's in Muslim territory*

John the Baptist was the Elijah to come. Or atleast that's what Jesus said.

[cabdirazzaq]

Well thats quite impossible... He was asked 3 questions
Was he Elijah
Was he Christ
Was he the prophet?

He answered no three times, and the one who is answering is John the baptist

[cabdirazzaq]

John the Baptist was the Elijah to come. Or atleast that's what Jesus said.
yup it said that he had said that but in that case, its what we call a contradiction.... A says that B is C while B denies being C, I wouldnt call any of them liars...

[ryupower]

Well thats quite impossible... He was asked 3 questions
Was he Elijah
Was he Christ
Was he the prophet?

He answered no three times, and the one who is answering is John the baptist well. I don't recall John saying he wasn't Elijah. However, I'm referring to the Bible...^^;

Jesus said that John was Elijah though...

[cabdirazzaq]

"Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”

Look at my first post. Its clear that the jews were awaiting three distinct prophets.. so where is the third one? According to your bible, "the prophet" is the one discussed in Deu which I think is clear now couldnt have been Jesus(peace be upon him)

[ryupower]

"Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”

Look at my first post. Its clear that the jews were awaiting three distinct prophets.. so where is the third one? According to your bible, "the prophet" is the one discussed in Deu which I think is clear now couldnt have been Jesus(peace be upon him) Well, maybe it was David whom they were talking about?

But if Jesus said this:
Matt 17:9-13

9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."

10 And His disciples asked Him, saying,"Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

11 Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already , and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.
NKJV

He must have been lying.

Eventhough, I shouldn't quote the Bible in Islamic forums, it may cause strife. ^^;

Sorry...:(

[cabdirazzaq]

So now the great prophet of the israelist are lying, peace be upon this mana dn his blessed father, how could a prophet like him ever lie?

And claudia, you are being alittle irrational here... David(peace be upon him) had already lived and died, the bible says that the offspring of Ishmaeel(peace be upon him) would be blessed with a great nation. I can only think of one such nation....

[ryupower]

So now the great prophet of the israelist are lying, peace be upon this mana dn his blessed father, how could a prophet like him ever lie?

And claudia, you are being alittle irrational here... David(peace be upon him) had already lived and died, the bible says that the offspring of Ishmaeel(peace be upon him) would be blessed with a great nation. I can only think of one such nation.... Ishmael was also cursed...pretty bad actually...according to the Torah ( :p ) or Old testament.

I was just pointing that quotation out, because the Quoran also says he was sinless...meaning he couldn't have lied.

[ryupower]

"Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”

Look at my first post. Its clear that the jews were awaiting three distinct prophets.. so where is the third one? According to your bible, "the prophet" is the one discussed in Deu which I think is clear now couldnt have been Jesus(peace be upon him)
whoops, I was writing my other post before you commented on that. And I still don't know *where* John said that...

[cabdirazzaq]

[john 1.19-22]

Ishmaels(peace be upon him) offspring were blessed... can you name another prophet except Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) who had a great nation following monotheism?

[ryupower]

[john 1.19-22]

Ishmaels(peace be upon him) offspring were blessed... can you name another prophet except Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) who had a great nation following monotheism? Nope. No prophet (IMO).

With cursed I meant :

Gen 16:11-14
11 And the Angel of the LORD said to her:

"Behold, you are with child,
And you shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael ,
Because the LORD has heard your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild man;
His hand shall be against every man,
And every man's hand against him.
And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

13 Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees; for she said, "Have I also here seen Him who sees me?" 14 Therefore the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; observe, it is between Kadesh and Bered.


Which happened since he was (not to offend anyone, please...) a result of adultry...

[cabdirazzaq]

What does this have to do with the prophecie anyway? You havent explained who "the prophet" is? The cross reference tells me its someone whos like Moses, hmmm interesting... ^^

[ryupower]

What does this have to do with the prophecie anyway? You havent explained who "the prophet" is? The cross reference tells me its someone whos like Moses, hmmm interesting... ^^ Like I said, I still believe it's John the Baptist. Muhammed was after Bible times. Meaning after Revelation, where it said, the paragraph before the last of the Bible :

Rev 22:18-19

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
NKJV


But, if I'm correct, The Koran only inhabits the OT and the Gosspels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The rest of the NT (which includes the last book: Revelation), was edited out.

[cabdirazzaq]

Ryu, are you then suggesting that John(peace be upon him) was lying, because it says he denied being "the prophet"? Is it not true that there was along period of time from the revelation of the torah until the message of Jesus(peace be upon him), yet he was prophesisied?

[ryupower]

Ryu, are you then suggesting that John(peace be upon him) was lying, because it says he denied being "the prophet"? Is it not true that there was along period of time from the revelation of the torah until the message of Jesus(peace be upon him), yet he was prophesisied? Revelation was in the New Testament ( or did you mean revelation, as in...well...revelation? ).

Yes I'm suggesting that he lied. Peter denied Jesus 3 times before the rooster crowed, because he was afraid of getting killed.

So why wouldn't John lie because he was afraid of the Phariseas? If the Phariseas would have found out, they would've attempted to kill him.

[cabdirazzaq]

Wow, that is a huge and powerful thing to say about a great prophet of God...
It is not even supported by your scholars, all the bibles Ive read who had a cross reference has said that this prophet is the one mentioned in Deu. So how can it be John(peace be upon him)?

[ryupower]

Wow, that is a huge and powerful thing to say about a great prophet of God...
It is not even supported by your scholars, all the bibles Ive read who had a cross reference has said that this prophet is the one mentioned in Deu. So how can it be John(peace be upon him)?
I just read over it...well, I admit- I made a mistake- he was talking about Jesus. Sorry! ^^;

Now the three prophets are, after Christian oppinion:

Abraham
Moses
Jesus

:)

[cabdirazzaq]

Its ok, most of us say wrong things once in a while, the best of those who do that are those who repent from their mistakes. Anyhow, you still havent explained to be who this prophet is? It cant be Jesus(peace be upon him) since he was asked three questions
Are you Christ
Are you Elijah
Are you the prophet? Everybody who can read and think understands that the jews were awaiting three different prophets. And as i said before, the bibles cross reference say that this prophet is the one discussed earlier i Deu and I have already shown to you that Christ is not like Moses(peace be upon him) at all.

Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who “shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth.” Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke’dar. Who is Ke’dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke’dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of the prophet Muhammad(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him).

In Genesis, ch.21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become “ a great nation”( I can only think of one such nation from his offspring...^^) especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.

According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a ‘free’ woman such as Sarah, Isaac’s mother, or a “Bondwoman” such as Hagar, Ishmael’s mother).

This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths. The full legitimacy of Ismael as Abraham’s son and “seed” and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham’s wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3.

One of the signs of the prophet to come from Paran (Mecca) is that he will come with “ten thousands of saints” (Deuteronomy 33:2 KJV). That was the exact number of faithful who accompanied Prophet Muhammad to Paran (Mecca) in his victorious, bloodless return to his birthplace, to destroy the remaining symbols of idolatry in the Ka’bah

Interesting... but I would say what he teached was a great prophecy it self:

During the early days of islam, the muslims were serverly oppressed in mecca until the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) told some of his companions to seek shelter with a just christian king, the king of Abyssinia(a great area of northern africa). When they arrived at the council of the king, he asked them about this religion of theirs. One of the companions answered in very simple terms:
"We were some ignorant idol worshipers. We used to eat carrion flesh, commit abominable acts, sever the ties of kinship and violate the rights of neighbourhood. The weak were crushed by the strong.

We remained on that case until Allah sent us a Messenger whose lineage is known to us. He is famous for his truthfulness, honesty, and honour. He calls us to worship Allah alone and give up idol worshipping. He exhorts us to be truthful in speech, deliver the trusts, maintain the ties of kinship, observe the rights of neighbourhood, abstain from abominable acts and to bury the hatchet to spare our lives.

He forbids us to do misdeeds, false testimony, devouring the property of orphans and slandering chaste women. He ordered us to worship Allah and not to associate anything with Him in worship, to establish Prayer, pay Zakah and fast in Ramadan. We believed in him, followed his teachings and applied them in practical life.

Is it not true that it says Christ said: By their fruits ye shall know them ?

[Spiritforces]

Ryu:
Now the three prophets are, after Christian oppinion:

Abraham
Moses
Jesus

Whao I open my Bible:
Isaïe, Jérémie, Baruch, Ezéchiel, Daniel, Osée, Joël, mos, Abdias, Jonas, Michée, Nahum, Habaquq, Sophonie, Agée, Zacharie and Malachie

SO I am surprised
Ryu, you are not really seeing what cabdirazzaq points
I find it really interesting, and there is absolutly nothing to criticizes or to admit in what he wrote

cabdirazzaq,
I find also quite strange what happens to us human
Like we christians think there won't be prophet coming anymore

Nobody is thinking about The One sending Them, and what Its wisdom shows us

Peace

[Spiritforces]

can you name another prophet except Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) who had a great nation following monotheism?

During its lifetime right?
No a so easy question

[ryupower]

Ryu:
Now the three prophets are, after Christian oppinion:

Abraham
Moses
Jesus

Whao I open my Bible:
Isaïe, Jérémie, Baruch, Ezéchiel, Daniel, Osée, Joël, mos, Abdias, Jonas, Michée, Nahum, Habaquq, Sophonie, Agée, Zacharie and Malachie

Peace
He asked for the 3 prophets...

[ryupower]

Its ok, most of us say wrong things once in a while, the best of those who do that are those who repent from their mistakes. Anyhow, you still havent explained to be who this prophet is? It cant be Jesus(peace be upon him) since he was asked three questions
Are you Christ
Are you Elijah
Are you the prophet? Everybody who can read and think understands that the jews were awaiting three different prophets. And as i said before, the bibles cross reference say that this prophet is the one discussed earlier i Deu and I have already shown to you that Christ is not like Moses(peace be upon him) at all.

Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who “shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth.” Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke’dar. Who is Ke’dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke’dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of the prophet Muhammad(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him).

In Genesis, ch.21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become “ a great nation”( I can only think of one such nation from his offspring...^^) especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.

According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a ‘free’ woman such as Sarah, Isaac’s mother, or a “Bondwoman” such as Hagar, Ishmael’s mother).

This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths. The full legitimacy of Ismael as Abraham’s son and “seed” and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham’s wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3.

One of the signs of the prophet to come from Paran (Mecca) is that he will come with “ten thousands of saints” (Deuteronomy 33:2 KJV). That was the exact number of faithful who accompanied Prophet Muhammad to Paran (Mecca) in his victorious, bloodless return to his birthplace, to destroy the remaining symbols of idolatry in the Ka’bah

Interesting... but I would say what he teached was a great prophecy it self:

During the early days of islam, the muslims were serverly oppressed in mecca until the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) told some of his companions to seek shelter with a just christian king, the king of Abyssinia(a great area of northern africa). When they arrived at the council of the king, he asked them about this religion of theirs. One of the companions answered in very simple terms:
"We were some ignorant idol worshipers. We used to eat carrion flesh, commit abominable acts, sever the ties of kinship and violate the rights of neighbourhood. The weak were crushed by the strong.

We remained on that case until Allah sent us a Messenger whose lineage is known to us. He is famous for his truthfulness, honesty, and honour. He calls us to worship Allah alone and give up idol worshipping. He exhorts us to be truthful in speech, deliver the trusts, maintain the ties of kinship, observe the rights of neighbourhood, abstain from abominable acts and to bury the hatchet to spare our lives.

He forbids us to do misdeeds, false testimony, devouring the property of orphans and slandering chaste women. He ordered us to worship Allah and not to associate anything with Him in worship, to establish Prayer, pay Zakah and fast in Ramadan. We believed in him, followed his teachings and applied them in practical life.

Is it not true that it says Christ said: By their fruits ye shall know them ?
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Abraham isn't like Moses either.

In Christian Oppinion, Jesus was G-d in the flesh, as well as a Prophet sent from G-d. ( He was his son, but he also had to submit to him for he was on Earth.), and he wants a personal relationship with his Favourite Creation: human.


So therefore, I believe he's the prophet. But some of the verses you posted do seem to point to him, if one tries to look. ( But not Deuteronomy)
and I don't recall Jesus being asked those questions, however, John the Baptist was.

How about posting the verse where Jesus was asked this?

[cabdirazzaq]

Abraham isn't like Moses either.
Well... that hasnt anything to do with these prophecies, Abraham(peace be upon him) came before Moses(peace be upon him) remember? Before the torah even was sent down..

In Christian Oppinion, Jesus was G-d in the flesh, as well as a Prophet sent from G-d. ( He was his son, but he also had to submit to him for he was on Earth.), and he wants a personal relationship with his Favourite Creation: human.
So therefore, I believe he's the prophet.
Yes, but why would he be mentioned twice. "Are you the prophet, are you Chirst" Two distinctive people.

Foot notes from contemporary english bible: "he Prophet: Many of the Jewish people expected God to send them a prophet who would be like Moses, but with even greater power (see Deuteronomy 18.15,18)". The amplefied bible gives the exact same reference. Interesting...
But some of the verses you posted do seem to point to him, if one tries to look. ( But not Deuteronomy)
Not some but many...Lets look at this verse for instance:
“The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes [or: from his right hand went a fiery law for them].”


(New International Version; alternative version of last phrase – the meaning of which is unclear in the original Hebrew texts – is from the King James Version)

"This refers to the three Prophethoods: the Prophethood of Moosa (Moses), the Prophethood of ‘Eesa (Jesus) and the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). “Coming from Sinai” refers to the mountain where Allaah spoke to Moosa and called him and told him he was a Prophet. “Dawning over them from Seir” refers to the appearance of the Messiah from Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem). Seir is a village that is still known there to this day. So this was a foretelling of the Prophethood of the Messiah.
“Paran” refers to Makkah. Allaah likens the Prophethood of Moosa to the coming of the dawn, and the Prophethood of the Messiah after him to the rising of the sun, and the Prophethood of the Seal of the Prophets to the sun rising high in the sky and its light reaching all over the earth. And it came to pass exactly as foretold, for Allaah dispelled the night of kufr with the Prophethood of Moosa, and the light increased with the Prophethood of the Messiah, and was completed and reached everywhere on earth with the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). These three Prophets who were mentioned in this foretelling were also mentioned in the beginning of Soorat al-Teen (interpretation of the meaning):

“By the fig, and the olive.

2. By Mount Sinai.

3. By this city of security (Makkah)”

[Quran al-Teen 95:1-3] "

End quote. See Hidaayat al-Hayaara, p. 110; and Ibn al-Qayyim’s comments on the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 33:1


and I don't recall Jesus being asked those questions, however, John the Baptist was. My bad for not writing it properly, I meant ofcourse John(peace be upon him).

How about posting the verse where Jesus was asked this?There is no such verse, atleast not one Ive seen and I havent claimed that there is one.

[cabdirazzaq]

can you name another prophet except Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) who had a great nation following monotheism?

During its lifetime right?
No a so easy question
Another prophet who had a great nation from the offspring of Ishameel(peace be upon him). I cant think of one.. Not to mention the great prophecie by Christ him self:

In the Gospel according to John (Chapters 14, 15, 16)
“It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor [Paraclete] will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin…

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.”


Jesus spoke of the “ Paraclete” or comporter who will come after him, who will be sent by Father as another Paraclete, who will teach new things which the contemporaries of Jesus could not bear. While the Paraclete is described as the spirit of truth (whose meaning resemble Muhammad’s famous title Al-Amin, the trustworthy), he is identified in one verse as the Holy Ghost (John 14:26). Such a designation is however incosistent with the profile of that Paraclete(biggest evidence against this is the fact that the bible says that the holy spirit existed long before Christ, why would he keep on saying "when he comes" etc...)

In the words of the Dictionary of the Bible, (Ed. J. Mackenzie) “ These items, it must be admitted do not give an entirely coherent picture.”

Indeed history tells us that many early Christians understood the Paraclete to be a man and not a spirit. This might explain the followings who responded to some who claimed, without meeting the criteria stipulated by Jesus, to be the awaited “Paraclete”.
It was Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) who was the Paraclete, Comforter, helper, admonisher sent by God after Jesus. He testified of Jesus, taught new things which could not be borne at Jesus’ time, he spoke what he heard (revelation), he dwells with the believers (through his well-preserved teachings). Such teachings will remain forever because he was the last messenger of God, the only Universal Messenger to unite the whole of humanity under God. His companions were of different races, cultures and nationalities, thus we see all the other prophets often saying "My people" or "O Israel" but Muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) often said O people.

"O People .... All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except bypiety and good action.."

This is a man whos teachings are forever lasting

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?" - Lamartine

[kiss_the_sky]

I think Muhammed is in the bible as well:

17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

(King James Bible, Genesis)

The twelve princes mentioned here I mostly interprete as the twelve imams (don't know if that is the right term) that came after Muhammed.

Then, about Hagar:

21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

(King James Bible, Genesis)

So they went into the desert of Paran, now read what Moses says about Paran:

33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

(King James Bible, Deuteronomy)

Sinai (Moses), Seir (Jesus Christ), Paran (Muhammed).

Then I read in some book:

On the other hand Muhammad mentions in the Qur'án the prophecies of His coming made in the Bible (Sura 26 verses 192-199) and states that Abraham prayed for His coming (Sura 2 verses 118-144) and that He was foretold by Moses and described in the Law and the Evangel.

(George Townshend, Christ and Baha'u'llah, p. 32)

But perhaps you have already posted that, cabdirazzaq. Let me know what you think about what I just wrote.

[cabdirazzaq]

But perhaps you have already posted that, cabdirazzaq. Let me know what you think about what I just wrote
Well I'm quite spechless... Had I not known you wernt muslim I would of thought you were. I must say... someone who says muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) was mentioned in the bible yet is not muslim..
Now I'm really confused ^^

[Spiritforces]

Don't be confused cabdirazzaq

Do you think there is somebody who is coming after Jesus and Muhammad?

Or is it something?

[kiss_the_sky]

Well I'm quite spechless... Had I not known you wernt muslim I would of thought you were. I must say... someone who says muhammed(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) was mentioned in the bible yet is not muslim..
Now I'm really confused ^^
That's cool :) I feel kind of honoured about you saying that. I can see why you are confused, but unfortunately I don't think I can do something about it.

[cabdirazzaq]

Daunted, confused and in lack of words

[kiss_the_sky]

Daunted, confused and in lack of words
LOL :p