help please for LSD

[Barbuchon]

Hi there, tell me all the supplies needed to make LSD.

I know they cost a lot. just tell me please.

[2cesarewild]

True Story, manufacturing LSD is not easy, not to mention the finished compound is degraded by light and air.

[Barbuchon]

who ever said I'm gonna be the one who'll make LSD, we need to buy supplies for our ''drug farm'' before we got the man. so please stop trying to feel like I'm a cop or a stupid asshole. and please gimme an answer.

[2cesarewild]

ROFL, find your 'man' first and tell him to look up the synth procedure and to procure all the equipment and precursors without being noticed by the government.

[LSDSeeker]

You know, I too have been thinking: why the heck are all of these kids asking how to make LSD, which is the most difficult (or one of the most difficult) hallucinogens to make? When the ones who can make it are typically those with advanced degrees in chemistry? When the chemicals needed are, supposedly, so difficult to find, even if one fully understands the intricate process?

On the other hand, you have teenagers doing really amazing things as far as hacking and breaking into networks. It's possible, if all of the information is pooled in various sites, that one day some super-genius or group of super-geniuses will silently go about dedicating a lot of time and effort to manufacturing LSD. People can do amazing things when motivated.

Yeah, most of these kiddies asking how to make LSD look like dumbasses, but perhaps the directions should be made more readily available just in case it may motivate someone out there with true talent, who simply hadn't thought of the idea before.

[2cesarewild]

On the other hand, you have teenagers doing really amazing things as far as hacking and breaking into networks.

I assure you that most of the things they do are not that amazing.. at least not near as amazing as a teenager with the chemistry knowledge and experience to synthesize LSD. Not to mention knowing who to distribute it to.

[EllisDTripp]

It just gets me when people just ASSume that they can jump right into LSD synthesis, with no theoretical knowledge of chemistry AND no laboratory experience.

Why don't these wannabe Owsleys start with stuff like MG seed extractions and isomerizing hash oil, then progress to one of the easier synths out of PIHKAL or TIHKAL, instead of trying to run a marathon before they learn to crawl?

As far as getting your chems before you hire the chemist, forget about it. Unless you have knowledge of chemistry, you aren't going to be able to bluff your way into buying most of those chems anyhow. And a couple of them are watched like the gold in Ft Knox, because they aren't only useful for making LSD, but are needed to make things like NERVE GAS.

[Barbuchon]

what the fuck is wrong with you guys, I'm not trying to make LSD like I said. Mine your buiseness if you don't want to reply the topic damn. Whatever you think I'm NOT a dumbass fucker. maybe you are the dumbass if you don't know how to read bitch.

[Barbuchon]

and how can you say they look dumbass if dont know them... prejudices are the most stupid things. In faq, I don't think no one could juge anybody, you aren't superior than anyone. We are all humans.

[2cesarewild]

and how can you say they look dumbass if dont know them... prejudices are the most stupid things. In faq, I don't think no one could juge anybody, you aren't superior than anyone. We are all humans.It's just that some humans are more inclined to be assholes than others.


Also, some humans are more inclined to, at the ripe age of seventeen, live under the delusion that they will find an experienced and knowledgable chemist to work for them to produce a hallucinogen that has been scheduled for over thirty years.

[Barbuchon]

and I'm not. I know my stuff as a good plumber / farmer and and let the other things to others. Chimistery isn't mine. If someone say man I'll do my own french drain wich isn't really normal for someone out of this domain I won't call him stupid. BUT STILL, I've NEVER said I'm trying to make LSD, all I want to know is the supplies to buy... feel like he's searching for problems when there's none.

[Barbuchon]

whatever you think, fuck off.

[2cesarewild]

who ever said I'm gonna be the one who'll make LSD, we need to buy supplies for our ''drug farm'' before we got the man. so please stop trying to feel like I'm a cop or a stupid asshole. and please gimme an answer.

rofl...

[EllisDTripp]

so please stop trying to feel like I'm a cop or a stupid asshole.

We don't have to "feel" anything here.

You are openly discussing a plan to acquire listed drug precursors, and manufacture a scheduled drug. And you are looking for assistance in doing so, which could construed as either entrapment or criminal conspiracy, depending on whether you are a cop or not. :)

So if you aren't indeed a cop, you postings PROVE that you ARE a "stupid asshole". No "feelings" involved. Just objective facts about incriminating yourself in illegal activity on a public message board, and attempting to involve others....:rolleyes:

[Barbuchon]

making LSD is criminal for the law, doesn't mean if it's agaisn't the law it's necessery stupid. you might think I'm stupid because there's drug involve on my farm. But did you live your life all legaly? Would you call rebelin stupid asshole? Do you think all terrorism act are stupid? Most of the movement hippie is illegal, life is full of thing that the law don't approove. who cares... I dont

[EllisDTripp]

Nobody said that MAKING LSD was stupid. Some of us consider making LSD to be a vital public service. :)

ADMITTING TO ONGOING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN A PUBLIC FORUM is stupid.

RECRUITING FOR A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY IN A PUBLIC FORUM is stupid.

NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE is extremely stupid.

[Becknudefck]

lets just say this thread is stupid.

[eat_some_LSD]

I think I'm a little more stupid for reading it. :p

[oOflyeyesOo]

Yea, that was pretty stupid for me to read. Waste of my time.

[LSDSeeker]

Ha! At least it's not me getting flamed this time. ;)

I was wondering, though, since all countries have different laws on drugs. Suppose someone were to establish an offshore account (maybe from some European or Third World country) giving tips and answering the questions asked by many of the naive kiddies who post in these forums.

It would do a lot more, perhaps, for bringing Lucy back into fashion than random, flame-infested conversations when the topic is brought up. I could be wrong though.

[EllisDTripp]

I was wondering, though, since all countries have different laws on drugs.

Most of the common recreational drugs (including LSD) are illegal worldwide, under the UN "Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs".

Suppose someone were to establish an offshore account (maybe from some European or Third World country) giving tips and answering the questions asked by many of the naive kiddies who post in these forums.

It would do a lot more, perhaps, for bringing Lucy back into fashion than random, flame-infested conversations when the topic is brought up. I could be wrong though.

It is quite legal to ask and answer questions regarding drug manufacture here in the forums, and elsewhere on the internet. The trick is all in how the questions are worded. Questions should be worded hypothetically, without incriminating yourself or others.

[eat_some_LSD]

As has been discussed earlier in this thread, the problem lies not in the fact that it's risky to post such information, but merely the fact that few average people can actually grasp such advanced organic chemistry and have the loot and contacts to setup a major LSD manufacturing operation.

[LSDSeeker]

OK, I will elaborate a little. Those who feel I am blabbering can ignore this post. I read a long time ago about a guy in the U.S. who got arrested under some pretext by the DEA for merely disseminating information on shrooms or some types of hallucinogens. They found a technicality and were on this guy. The DEA threw something they felt would stick in a trial. I could be wrong about this particular case, but I am aware of the DEA desperately nabbing people and working in crooked ways to advance their anti-drug agenda. I have not researched this aspect of the drug war, but I am aware of accounts that the DEA has planted evidence and cooked up bogus charges. I am also aware of the DEA busting people who've been implicated by questionable people who wanted their charges reduced. The fact is that the U.S. is very drug war-obsessed. And those in power, regardless of who they are, will tend to abuse their power given the capacity to do so.

If a new LSD or psychedelic guru were to arise, ranking up there with Timothy Leary, I'd bet the feds would cook up something regardless. I don't know all of the facts about Pickard, but 3 life sentences given to him for allegedly manufacturing LSD just shows how perverted the U.S. justice system has become.

Under these assumptions, passing information on manufacturing and distributing LSD, and on promoting a culture for the manufacture and distribution of LSD, would be highly risky in the U.S., regardless of how it's worded. The government will nail you if you become too powerful.

Other nations have laws against LSD and other recreational drugs, but some nations tend to have more liberal attitudes: I mean, could 3 life sentences be handed to Pickard in the more liberal European nations given the same circumstances? Some of the East European nations have legal systems that are too poorly funded or organized to deal with organized groups who decide to engage in LSD manufacturing.

Yes, the problem is that LSD is extremely difficult to make. But many things are extremely difficult to make. One problem, though, is the lack of a culture fostering enough interest in LSD.

I was thinking that there should at least be a site, perhaps offshore, giving complete information that would cover everything related to LSD to foster such a psychedelic renaissance. Of course, I'd have nothing to do with such a site! It would be made by an underground, anonymous intelligentsia of deadheads, ravers and rebels who are interested in sharing chemistry knowledge.

[eat_some_LSD]

I could be wrong about this particular case, but I am aware of the DEA desperately nabbing people and working in crooked ways to advance their anti-drug agenda. I have not researched this aspect of the drug war, but I am aware of accounts that the DEA has planted evidence and cooked up bogus charges.

Yeah, the DEA and every other government faction on the face of the planet.

. I don't know all of the facts about Pickard, but 3 life sentences given to him for allegedly manufacturing LSD just shows how perverted the U.S. justice system has become.

"Allegedly" finding a silo-sized LSD manufacturing lab is no misdeamnour; luckily it wasn't meth...at the rate the Pickard operation's manufacturing process was cranking out product, he'd have been tried for acts of terrorism against humanity and would have probably been executed.

Under these assumptions, passing information on manufacturing and distributing LSD, and on promoting a culture for the manufacture and distribution of LSD, would be highly risky in the U.S., regardless of how it's worded. The government will nail you if you become too powerful.

Not necessarily...and I'm also going to have to disagree with Ellis here: recipes for LSD manufacture are not illegal to write, but posession of such data could obviously lead to conspiracy/intent charges.

Some of the East European nations have legal systems that are too poorly funded or organized to deal with organized groups who decide to engage in LSD manufacturing.

Unforunately for us, the US has a well-funded, right-winged legal system. If you don't like it, why not move to Ethiopia and setup shop? ;)


Yes, the problem is that LSD is extremely difficult to make. But many things are extremely difficult to make. One problem, though, is the lack of a culture fostering enough interest in LSD.

You would be most correct...with the inclusion of several new cutting edge psychedelics in the mainstream, most of which combine the effects of LSD and Ecstasy, sometimes even in durations ranging well over 24 hours, the term "acid" has become nothing more than a synonym for a wide variety of research chems plastered on blotter paper.

[EllisDTripp]

Not necessarily...and I'm also going to have to disagree with Ellis here: recipes for LSD manufacture are not illegal to write, but posession of such data could obviously lead to conspiracy/intent charges.

Only in combination with precursor chemicals and glassware. In order for an "intent to manufacture" charge to be brought, there needs to be a lot more than the posession of a "recipe", namely some evidence of an "act of furtherance", like purchasing chemicals or recruiting a chemist.....

If mere possession of a written synthesis procedure were sufficient, every college library would have been shut down long ago. And the jails would be overflowing with everyone who owns a copy of any of Shulgin's books....:)

[eat_some_LSD]

In order for an "intent to manufacture" charge to be brought, there needs to be a lot more than the posession of a "recipe", namely some evidence of an "act of furtherance", like purchasing chemicals or recruiting a chemist.....

Does this thread count?

Luckily we don't live in N. Korea...or I would have had a quad-life sentence by the time I was 7. ;)

[EllisDTripp]

Does this thread count?

It certainly COULD, which is why I gave the OP so much shit about it....

[prankster1590]

Letr me say this.

People who say that synthesizing LSD is difficult doesn't know what they are talking about. They just quote shit from other websites or shit they have read somewhere.

You only need to know the procedure and some special tricks. Like purifying your chemicals and drying them. And avoiding chlorines and atmosphereric influences.

Then it isn't so difficult. The yield is always somewhere in the 50's or 60's percent nomather how good your chemist skills are.

You should read about Drying chemicals, Distillation, Reflux, Column chromatography, Purification abd Ergoline Chemistry. Then You should be just fine.

[EllisDTripp]

While synthesizing LSD is simple compared to building a nuclear bomb from scratch or landing on the moon, as far as organic reactions go it is more complicated than most. Certainly the most complicated of any common recreational drug.

Yes, you need to avoid moisture, halogens, and light. And deal with some seriously toxic precursors. None of this is impossible for an accomplished chemist, but it is the RARE amateur who is ever going to pull it off.

[prankster1590]

POCL3 is used to make Sarin Gas. So that stuff might be dangerous.
DCM is used in Paint-Stripper, Chloroform or Ether are chemicals that you should be wary off.
DEA is Toxic and the LSA is halluciogenic.
The use of different acids and bases is also reason to be carefull.

But that's chemistry.

The reason why people have difficulties making acid is because they haven't studied the subject. And underestimate the stabillity of the molecule.
They think they bake a bread or something.

If you are serious then with some work you should have no problem with the synthesis.

I think there are some DEA agents on this website to disgourage people from trying.

DEA officer, i'm innocent

[2cesarewild]

POCL3 is used to make Sarin Gas. So that stuff might be dangerous.
DCM is used in Paint-Stripper, Chloroform or Ether are chemicals that you should be wary off.
DEA is Toxic and the LSA is halluciogenic.
The use of different acids and bases is also reason to be carefull.

But that's chemistry.

The reason why people have difficulties making acid is because they haven't studied the subject. And underestimate the stabillity of the molecule.
They think they bake a bread or something.

If you are serious then with some work you should have no problem with the synthesis.


Coming onto a public forum and trying to figure out how to synth L by asking what supplies you need just goes to show the intellect of most people who want to try synthesizing LSD. The reason people have difficulties making acid is not because they haven't studied the process, it's because they are just incapable. And try to find someone capable enough with the right background who can be easily convinced to manufacture LSD...

[jesikhaviolet]

+) this is amusingly sad
i just read through that and i'm wondering now "so who is the real asshole? the one being called it, or the ones persistently calling it?"

really, couldn't you have let that drop on the 1st page?

[2cesarewild]

+) this is amusingly sad
i just read through that and i'm wondering now "so who is the real asshole? the one being called it, or the ones persistently calling it?"

really, couldn't you have let that drop on the 1st page?
Well, if you had read the thread you would know that the first question provoked flaming, which then provoked an EXTENDED discussion. So if people want to extend the discussion, who the f cares. And what is amusingly sad to me are all the posts by teenagers asking how to make LSD, not the fact that people have to constantly remind EVERYONE that synthesizing LSD is no easy task.

[prankster1590]

not the fact that people have to constantly remind EVERYONE that synthesizing LSD is no easy task

You keep saying that.

Organic chemistry is not the easiest subject. But If you are a patient and accurate man you should be just fine.
The first thing they learn on Labschool is to be clean, safe and accurate with measuring chemicals.
If you know the tricks about LSD chemistry you should be just fine. And everybody who attempts somekind of synthesis will encounter problems.
MDMA, MDA, Valium, Aspirin. It all require some basic skills and knowlegde.

You people should read the EBOOK section of this site. It contains alot of professional literature that can help. This site is I think the new hive.

https://www.synthetikal.com/synthforum/

[2cesarewild]

I am partially educated in some things- drugs being one of them. I never took any chem courses during my college stint, instead I took in as much as I could from places like rhodium, the hive, bluelight, and synthetikal. MDMA synthesis is nowhere near as hard as LSD synthesis. I will agree that "where there is a will, there is a way," but I'll tell you right now that if the right kind of person wanted to attempt LSD synthesis and could actually do it, they wouldn't ask on this forum. Especially in such a blatant way... I mean, these are sixteen year old kids asking how to make LSD. They couldn't even get as far as procuring the ET man, you know that. Let's just say you set out to make some fluff (>95%) ... First, you'll need to procure the precursors, most notably ET. You could steal a bunch of migraine pills of a truck and extract the ET from the binders... or maybe you have a legit connect in China who will ship without getting caught by customs... or even better YET maybe you know a farmer who has a field of rye just grown for bacteria, which happens to be the right type of ergot to produce a high amount of ergotamine. Next you need to get all your equipment... so you'll need to drop a few g's on good equipment. Then you need to set up the room where you will do it. You know that air and light both break down LSD, so you'll need to basically use a photography room. Your first synthesis, ~50%... not even considered 'good' amber.. so then you start to wash it and wash it... and wash it.. and end up with a tiny yield of good product, if you don't fuck up during the purification. Here's the fun part- getting rid of it. You'll have fun meeting someone with the money/connects to buy crystal off you, lay it, and distribute it to the right people, all without getting the special attention of special agents. From start to finish... do you think any average joe could pull that off? Places like synthetikal are usually for more chemistry-minded people who know not to ask things like "Dude where can i get me some safrole and other stuff for making exxtacy in my trailer man."

[prankster1590]

Fuck Ergotamine. Why should you start with that stuff. It is an urban myth.
The Hydrolyzation (or however you spell it) to LSA is a shitty procedure with yields from 10% to 20% (or maybe 30)%. Just Extract it from Morning glories or other plants. Just buy alot of those plants and their seeds. It will contain enough LSA for years and years doses of LSD.
You only need to purify it and dry it by ways of distillation, acid base extraction, column chromatography and such.
The same you do with your chemicals you are gonna use in your reaction. Including the solvents and the POCl3 (If you go that way).
For a amateur chemist it isn't the hardest synth to perform.

The light thing. It is a littlebit overestimated. You just perform the synth at night with candle light,
And the air won't mix in if you stir is anti clockwise direction. Or you use Argon gas.
And the synth is doable in normal atmospheres. It is only a slightly lesser yield.

[prankster1590]

Oh yeah.
If you start with 100 grams of purified LSA and end-up with 1 gram purified d-LSD.
That is still 10.000 dosages of 100 mike pills of A-grade Acid. Who cares about yields.

100 grams will propably yield between the around the 50 and 60 grams of d-LSD if you know your shit and studied the subject.

[eat_some_LSD]

Would it really be smart to work by candlelight with a highly-combustible material like ether? I also think you're failing to realize exactly how many HBWR seeds it would take to extract 100 grams of LSA, nevermind MG's. :rolleyes:

[geckopelli]

BS

Talk is cheap- and LSD is hard to syn and clean-up.
Too hard.

[prankster1590]

So what is your solution for this problem, smart ass?!?!?!

{By the way. Air can turn your fresh acid into a black mass.}
Read this http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_writings1.shtml

[2cesarewild]

Are you trying to be made a fool?

[prankster1590]

I don't know if you people now but if you use argon gas you dont use Oxygen. Yes.
If you say that the Argon is impure and you can not trust it why can you then trust your nitrogen. Same story.
On the HIVE they have advised for years too use Argon gas. And now you are telling me that it is bullshit. That I am the fool that talks shit.
Please.

These are some specs

For use in Europe Argon gas must be

99.998%(grade 4.8) pure in a 50 liter tank/flask under a pressure of 310 bar/31000 Kpascal

In North America the same deal under a pressure of 6000 psiNote: When the tank depletes to 3,000 psi/210 Bar/21,000 Kpa, it is no longer useful and should be changed.

[prankster1590]

No more of this nonsense, go back to hive, where you THINK you know your shit!


Chill out. No need to get angry.

[Dazed4now]

just go eat a spiney apple

[prankster1590]

They have just bested the biggest Acid lab of Europe ever in Amsterdam. In the tolstreet.
Bummer

[ThE_BluE_ShoE]

IMHO, i think the real issue is that the guy who started this chain is far too immature to be using psychedelic drugs. someone so caught up in defensiveness, hostility, and above all: ego, shouldn't be considering themselves shamans. LSD is one of the most psychoactive and powerful drugs for its dose known to the human race--that's a pretty tall order of spiritual responsibilities for someone who plans to make a 'drug farm' and probably market the sacrament to the public as a toy. That may be very subjective, but It's how i feel about it.

[prankster1590]

For anybody who is interested in an detailed professional modern LSD synthesis using peptide coupling agents.See this reference:

j.med.chem. 45, 2002, 4344-4349

It describes the whole procedure from A to Z.
It is available on rapidshare somewhere. They have posted the link on Synthetical but they have exceeded there bandwidth for this month.
So you have to wait till august I think. It is in the Tryptamine thread.

[soulofthetrees33]

we made it once.. but i took too much and forgot how to make it again...i do however remember that is was about 5 gallons worth...it some random dudes basement

[angerton]

Coming onto a public forum and trying to figure out how to synth L by asking what supplies you need just goes to show the intellect of most people who want to try synthesizing LSD. The reason people have difficulties making acid is not because they haven't studied the process, it's because they are just incapable. And try to find someone capable enough with the right background who can be easily convinced to manufacture LSD...

True, well... it shows the intellect of most users posting on the public forum at least. Like it's been said, anyone who will truely accomplish it or even gain the needed knowledge isn't posting here, so the intellect of most people who want to do it can't really be known.

Was there any followup information on that supposed amsterdam bust?

[prankster1590]

That is a long time ago.
They have like two weeks ago busted an LSD lab from some american people on one of the dutch antilles (don't know which island).
They produced LSD for America.

[ssj3gotenks]

First, yall calm down. Bashing him for simply asking for information is ridiculous. On the other hand, bashing them back is solving the problem either.

Second, i just have to agree, conspiring to overthrow the government (Felony charge involving LSD distribution) along with several other felonies, and mentioning it on here is stupid. But, we must take into account that the guy said he isn't making it, he's probably just curious on what it's like to make it. But, if he is trying to manufacture it, saying so on a site where ANYONE can view it is not smart. If i were you and i was origninally planning to start makind lsd, i would highly consider not doing so, especially when the whole country's authority figures can easily find out.

[prankster1590]

yeah peace and love peace and love people

[mattzdope]

sfadsfads

[mattzdope]

adfasdfasd

[mattzdope]

dfadsfasdf

[prankster1590]

I would also like to add if you COULD convert LSA into LSD imagine how many doses would be FLOODING the USA right this minute. Get a clue man.omg
Are you a DEA officer or somthing.
Look this up: j.med.chem. 45, 2002, 4344-4349

And it is not a myth. If you have ET you first convert it to LSA and then to LSD.

[EllisDTripp]

The main precursor you need to synthesize LSD-25 is Ergotamine Tartrate. You will NOT be able to obtain this within the U.S.

Unless you get a prescription for migraine pills...

[sacrament32]

O shit my friend has a prescription for migraines sweetness but im way too dumb and poor to make lsd

[StonerBill]

'where can i find information about making LSD?'
'you cant make lsd, you dont know enough!'
'how do you know?'
'because only people with degrees in chemistry know that much!'
'so you know for sure that i cant do teh processes required to make lsd?'
'yes'
'so that means you know how to make lsd, but simply dont because you dont have enough money, or connections?'
'no'
'but you must know something in order to know when someone doesnt know it'
'if people knew how to do it, then everyone would make it, so clearly, its too hard for you'
'so, the people who make lsd, they knew how do to it without being tought?'
'no you fucking idiot, they had to learn it omg your so stupid omgomg fuckin hell how stupid are you'
'so why cant i learn it?'
'because that would take years and years of training'
'why do you need to know every single thing in an advanced chemistry/pharmacology/organic chemistry course in order to do just one experiment once?'
'look if you are so smart, why dont you just go ahead and make fucking lsd? omgomg'
'because no one has just given me the goddamn information required for the experiment'
'here *shows page from tihkal*'
'but that information implies that im a chemist, i need the directions of the procedures in laymans terms, for example if i wanted to program a computer to do the exact processes for me'
'oh shuttup, your so stupid, lolz0r a computer cant fucking make lsd, what are you gonna do, setup robotic arms around your backyard shed which are programmed to do complex movements required to make such a complex chemical'
'no, but if you know the instructions to give a robotic arm, then you must know how to do it with your normal arm'
'wtf? u fukin ignorent kid fukin get a lyf u dum fuk hAHAHAhahaAHA kids r sooo stupedZ dese days'

[prankster1590]

Nope, wrong!

If you have ET, you can either use the hyrdazine method, creating an azide, then replacing it with DEA. Or, you have to covert it back to the carboxylic acid, lysergic acid, NOT LSA!

If you have clean LSA, you can agian use the hydrazine method, creating the azide. Or, you have to convert it to lysergic acid, for most of the other methods, creating a carbonyl-chloride first, then replacing it with DEA (diethylamine).
From which fucking century are you. They used the Hydrazine method in the fifties.
Today you have peptide coupling agents. With which you can synthesize LSD from LSAmonohydrate and diethylamide in yields higher then 75%.
Welcome in the 21st century.
Just fucking believe me and read that reference I posted.

[prankster1590]

please read bthis document. I beg you.

http://rapidshare.de/files/2747172/lysergic_acid_isomers_of_2_4-dimethylazetidine_-nichols.pdf.html

[prankster1590]

Don't you know how rapidshare works??? This PDF file works just fine. And this procedure also works just fine. this is modern chemistry. You are really being hardheaded.

[StonerBill]

I would, if it would open!

Sounds interesting, but it still doesn't mean that it replaces all other formulas! Thats not how chemistry works, in the real world, bud!
why cant there be alternative methods?

[2cesarewild]

He's not saying there aren't alternative syntheses for LSD, he's says it's not a replacement for all other syntheses.

[EllisDTripp]

So how closely will the DEA start watching those exotic coupling reagents, then? How much of this stuff to chem suppliers sell? Are these compounds in wide laboratory use?

A question for moonlight or one of the other "real chemists" here:

How useful would such a synthesis be to a "wannabe Owsley" anyway?. Unless you have access to places like Sigma, Acros, Aldrich, etc., the fancy new procedure looks essentially impossible. You aren't exactly gonna find an OTC source for something like PyBOP (Benzotriazol-1-yl-oxytripyrrolidinophosphonium hexafluorophosphate), right? :)

Makes hydrazine (rocket fuel) or POCl3 (nerve gas precursor) still look awfully tempting...:)

[Sri Baba]

Here's your LSD. Eat as much as you want.
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25623&stc=1

[adrian nor]

From: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

SYNTHESIS : A solution of 6.7 g KOH in 100 mL H2O, under an inert atmosphere and magnetically stirred, was brought to 75 °C, and 10 g ergotamine tartrate (ET) added. The reaction mixture turned yellow as the ergotamine went into solution over the course of 1 h. The stirring was continued for an additional 3 h. The reaction mixture was cooled to about 10 °C with an external ice bath, and acidified to a pH of about 3.0 by the dropwise addition of 2.5 N H2SO4. White solids started to appear early in the neutralization; approximately 60 mL of sulfuric acid was required. The reaction mixture was cooled overnight, the solids removed by filtration, and the filter cake washed with 10 mL Et2O. The dry solids were transferred to a beaker, suspended in 50 mL 15 % ammonia in anhydrous ethanol, stirred for 1 h, and separated by decantation. This extraction was repeated, and the original decantation and the second extract combined and filtered to remove a few hundred milligrams of unwanted solids. The clear filtrate was stripped of solvent under vacuum, the residual solids dissolved in 50 mL of 1% aqueous ammonia, and this solution was acidified as before with 2.5 N H2SO4. The precipitated solids were removed by filtration and washed with Et2O until free of color. After drying under vacuum to a constant weight, there was obtained 3.5 g of d-lysergic acid hydrate, which should be stored in a dark, sealed container. A suspension of 3.15 g d-lysergic acid hydrate and 7.1 g of diethylamine in 150 mL CHCl3 was brought to reflux with stirring. With the external heating removed, there was added 3.4 g POCl3 over the course of 2 min, at a rate sufficient to maintain refluxing conditions. The mixture was held at reflux for an additional 5 min, at which point everything had gone into solution. After returning to room temperature, the solution was added to 200 mL of 1 N NH4OH. The phases were separated, the organic phase dried over anhydrous MgSO4, filtered, and the solvent removed under vacuum. The residue was chromatographed over alumina with elution employing a 3:1 C6H6/CHCl3 mixture, and the collected fraction stripped of solvent under hard vacuum to a constant weight. This free-base solid can be recrystallized from benzene to give white crystals with a melting point of 87-92 °C. IR (in cm-1): 750, 776, 850, 937 and 996, with the carbonyl at 1631. The mass spectrum of the free base has a strong parent peak at mass 323, with sizable fragments at masses of 181, 196, 207 and 221.

This base was dissolved in warm, dry MeOH, using 4 mL per g of product. There was then added dry d-tartaric acid (0.232 g per g of LSD base), and the clear warm solution treated with Et2O dropwise until the cloudiness did not dispel on continued stirring. This opaqueness set to a fine crystalline suspension (this is achieved more quickly with seeding) and the solution allowed to crystallize overnight in the refrigerator. Ambient light should be severely restricted during these procedures. The product was removed by filtration, washed sparingly with cold methanol, with a cold 1:1 MeOH/Et2O mixture, and then dried to constant weight. The white crystalline product was lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate with two molecules of methanol of crystallization, with a mp of about 200 °C with decomposition, and weighed 3.11 g (66%). Repeated recrystallizations from methanol produced a product that became progressively less soluble, and eventually virtually insoluble, as the purity increased. A totally pure salt, when dry and when shaken in the dark, will emit small flashes of white light.

[dlo24844]

Doe's pure LSD-25 EXIST ON THE STREET?

[/jumanji]

http://www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter1.html
there ya go, make your LSD

[EllisDTripp]

That recipe will NOT produce LSD (No matter HOW MANY TIMES people post it!).

It will produce a crude mixture of alkaloids, NONE OF WHICH are LSD.

Producing LSD is going to involve a lot more than a simple MG seed extraction.