animal testing/vivisection.

[FrozenMoonbeam]

So i'm writing an essay on vivisection for my Bioethics paper. I've been doing some good reading - Singer, Frey etc... but I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on the matter.

I need some other views, some more balance for my essay

(i'm a vegetarian, so i'm a little biased :) )

[culture_revolution]

i'm all on your side, but i have a book called "Animal Experimentation opposing viewpoints"

it helps to get a better grasp of the other side, both arguements and laid beside each other.


written by the gale group

[ryupower]

I think it's disgusting. They should do the testing with vitro meat, computers, or whatever there is that's not alive...

[PhantomOpus]

I think it's disgusting. They should do the testing with vitro meat, computers, or whatever there is that's not alive...

That wouldn't tell us how things would react with living bodies. Clinical trials are necessary.

[FrozenMoonbeam]

necessary? perhaps for life saving drugs - but i think there's a ridiculoous amount of testing that is so needless - especially for food dyes and cosmetics.

Practises like the Draize (sp?) eye test are so awful, what gives us the moral/ethical/whatever you live by right to exploit the animals like that?

[PhantomOpus]

Well, I think cosmetics are retarded in the first place, and at first glance I agree that it's totally unnecessary to put skin cream on rats.

But what if it causes cancer? Would you rather 20 mice get cancer, or thousands of humans?

It's hard to draw the line, and it really has to be taken on a case-by-case basis.

[drew172]

how does the body of a mouse compare to that of a human? Humans need to be tested for products meant for humans....at least...just my opinion

[spirit of the night]

i am 100% against animal testing of any kind.

it is wrong, cruel and idiotic.

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[clegg]

http://www.fbresearch.org/AnimalActivism/WelfareVRights2.htm


Human's life is more important than that of an animal.. had it not been for animal testing, many of us wouldn't be around to complain about how "bad" animal testing is.

very hypocritical.

[spirit of the night]

All animals (including us) should be viewed as equal.
neither should be seen as "more important".

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[themnax]

All animals (including us) should be viewed as equal.
neither should be seen as "more important".

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i'm inclined on general principals to agree. where research really is about and contributes to the actual saving of lives, one might argue that an excuse can be made.

extending that to cosmetics testing, that sort of thing, which accounts for close to 90 percent of animal testing, now that's another thing entirely and i can see no moral justification, even a little bit, for that at all.

nor can i see moral justification for some of the callus practices of how animals are treated in large scale mass production corporate agriculture.

that doesn't stop me entirely from eating meat. but there's no reason an animal can't be raised and slaughtered without some of the absurdly crewel practices involved.

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[BlackBillBlake]

i'm inclined on general principals to agree. where research really is about and contributes to the actual saving of lives, one might argue that an excuse can be made.

extending that to cosmetics testing, that sort of thing, which accounts for close to 90 percent of animal testing, now that's another thing entirely and i can see no moral justification, even a little bit, for that at all.

nor can i see moral justification for some of the callus practices of how animals are treated in large scale mass production corporate agriculture.

that doesn't stop me entirely from eating meat. but there's no reason an animal can't be raised and slaughtered without some of the absurdly crewel practices involved.

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I pretty much agree with all of that.

The use of animal experiments for cosmetic stuff is really a terrible indictment of the whole way a lot of people view the world.
As are some practices of agri-business.