The forbidden fruit

[ryupower]

Why do people always display it like an apple?

[the dauer]

I think it's because of the Septuagint translation, but it could be a later source. Not sure. Judaism doesn't say it's an apple. That's a Christian thing.

Dauer

[ryupower]

I think it's because of the Septuagint translation, but it could be a later source. Not sure. Judaism doesn't say it's an apple. That's a Christian thing.

Dauer
The thing is- the Bible doesn't say it either! :(

And since the story was in the OT (Torah), I thought I should post it here...

Thanks anyways! :)

[drumminmama]

the artwork I have shows what looks like a pommegranate.

[feministhippy]

Apples are just an easy analogy. We all know what an apple looks like. It's a pretty universal thing. So our brain connects this kind of thing with things we already know. There's probably no real religious reason behind it.

[MrRee]

Why do people always display it like an apple?So no-one goes looking for them and cultivating the real fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Can you imagine what would happen if they did? The whole world would wake up to the scam, and we couldn't have that, could we now??

[feministhippy]

Get over yourself.

[Art Delfo]

hmmmm what firuts grow in the middle east?

[ryupower]

hmmmm what firuts grow in the middle east?
hmmmm...grapes, distles...that's all I know.

[charredacacia]

i'm still convinced it was a mushroom

[drumminmama]

mushroom and cross theory?
That lends to essene splits becoming aminita cults.

Somebody help here, but weren't tomatoes (a member of the deadly nightshade family) once considered the forbidden fruit in Europe?
Still, I think it was pommegranites because of the association with surrounding goddess cults.

[ryupower]

mushroom and cross theory?
That lends to essene splits becoming aminita cults.

Somebody help here, but weren't tomatoes (a member of the deadly nightshade family) once considered the forbidden fruit in Europe?
Still, I think it was pommegranites because of the association with surrounding goddess cults.
What's a "Pommegranite"??
*looks up*

Mushroom...haha...that's different. :p

[Professor Jumbo]

i'm still convinced it was a mushroom
But it came from a tree, are you suggesting that there is a mushroom tree? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif hehehe.

Seriously though, it's a greek connection that we're looking for. In greek mythology there is a tree from which grows golden apples. These apples can have various magical/metaphysical properties depending on the story. Some how or another, probably during the early reniassance, this golden apple tree came to be associated with the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

[ryupower]

But it came from a tree, are you suggesting that there is a mushroom tree? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif hehehe.

Seriously though, it's a greek connection that we're looking for. In greek mythology there is a tree from which grows golden apples. These apples can have various magical/metaphysical properties depending on the story. Some how or another, probably during the early reniassance, this golden apple tree came to be associated with the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

that was a good explanation...

[White Feather]

There are two different ideas involved which caused both to be intertwined and perverted.

The apple is supposed to denote the sex act. But sex was not forbidden to Adam and Eve.

It says that what was forbidden was the knowledge of good and evil. Sex was not bad or evil, it was already there before the temptation.

What then was the tree of good and evil? It was self consciousness. This is why they covered themselves up, they became self conscious, and with that self consciousness came the realisation that sex was a desire. So to not get desired, to not get lustful, they covered themselves up.

The apple was a fruit, it could be eaten, it goes into the body. In the same way is knowledge, it goes into the body, it is learned, it goes into the mind.

Logic says that if they put on fig leaves, then it was a fig tree and therefore a fig fruit.

But the apple was probably selected because it is pleasing to the eye, even though there may be worms inside. It is the "pleasing to the eye" part that gave the idea that it was an apple.

[drumminmama]

but all fruits are uteruses, and therefore connected to goddess worship.

A pomegranite is a fruit. Go read the myth of Persephone.

[NatureFreak412]

I think the forbidden fruit was sex.

hear me out...

They were naked, a serpent came up and told Eve how sexy she was and she went and flirted with adam and stuff and they had sex, and then they realized what they did so they were ashamed of it, so they covered themselvs, and thats why Eve bare children, maybe it was just meant to be them 2 there forever, until they did that.

I am not joking I seriously think thats what it was talking about.

[NatureFreak412]

OH I just noticed where someone else mentioned the sex thing, sorry.

[ryupower]

I think the forbidden fruit was sex.

hear me out...

They were naked, a serpent came up and told Eve how sexy she was and she went and flirted with adam and stuff and they had sex, and then they realized what they did so they were ashamed of it, so they covered themselvs, and thats why Eve bare children, maybe it was just meant to be them 2 there forever, until they did that.

I am not joking I seriously think thats what it was talking about.
But G-d told Adam and Eve to " be fruitful and increase in number...".

So they were even commanded to reproduce...

Still interesting thought though.

[Kabbalist]

I once heard the story that the fruit were grapes. The same grapes appeared again when Noah first shored the Arc (sp?) and eventually he became so drunk his son made a fool out of him.

I believe this story is told in the book 'Essence of Kabbalah' by rav. P. Berg from the Kabbalah Centre. I like the story but I'm not sure about it.

What do you folks think about it?

http://www.csiro.au/images/mediaReleases/Tablegrapes_small.jpg

[mr.morrison]

i'm still convinced it was a mushroomyea man, it was shrooms

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

I agree with Mr. Morrison once again on this one. No doubt it was a mushroom, the only thing that would make be believe there is no higher entity in the world as super intelligence and super creator. Would be the belief that society, the evolution of man, us deteriorating the planet, and its animals and plants. Would be we took a liking to the magic mushrooms of the eastern african wetlands. Therefore poisoning our dna forever. Giving us this sickness called evolution, and intelligence. Its really a false realization of fear, paranoia if you will which certainly comes with any reasonable mushroom dose. (If youve dabbled yourself you should know what Im talking about.) This prompted us from, omni-vore, to carnivore, to tribes, to fire, to fighting, to murdering, to presidential ballots.
Maybe its all a sickness? That came from our primate ancestors eating mushrooms in copious amounts.

Thats the only thing that counterweights my beliefs in the allmighty whereever, however of a form, logical, or illogical it could be.

[r33f3r_m4dn3ss]

What if if the astronaut gods, the Annunaki (Allah, Elohim, etc), those responsible for mans sped up evolutionary process, put mushrooms on our planet for a benefit. They could very well be reptillian, thus the reason for the snake.

I have also read that in Africa, there is a thing called Eboga root, and say this could be what the tree of knowledge was.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Another possibility is that the Elohim or annunaki extraterrestrial gods used these shrooms themselves for divination and shaman benefits. But they didn't want us to eat them because we would be SMAAAHT! Then say things like WHAT CHA GOT THERE LORD!? Exactly what they didn't want us to do. So maybe Enki the kind god to humanity just snuck a few bags of shrooms out the back, we got high. Started talkin all stupid and shit, and some of the other gods heard us and were like wtf man! Whyd you give those dumb apes our shrooms? You fuckin dumbass! Then man all the sudden tripping sack decides to defend himself, obviously with a Jim Bruer voice you know HEEEY MAAAN NAAAH THIS IS SOMME GOOOD ASSS SHIT, WHYY YOU HOLDIN OUT? I LIKE THIS FEELING. Then they just beat the shit out of us and kicked us out of eden. Branding enki a scumbag trying to work the humans and calling him the serpent and satan and shit. He was just hookin us up!

[trippedelia]

deal.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

true dat

[Jesse567x]

Eden's location is a wasteland in North Africa, you may know of it.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

10,000 years ago this was not the case.
Lush greens dawg.

[Soberbeah]

probably a pomagranite(sp?)

[questing400]

There are four opinions in traditional Judaism. A fig, a pomegranate, a citron, or grapes (which at that time had alcohol in them)

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

nah it was obviously a sickly psychadelic substance. Capable of hording people togethor for brainwashing sessions.