what happens when we die...

[crazy_gurl]

i was just wondering what everyon'e views were on this subject. do you believe in heaven? do even non-christians believe in heaven? what about reincarnation? do you think we'll be reincarnated into a human to live another, completely different life, or perhaps into an animal? or do you think that nothing happens when we die, do we just lie in the ground or be burned, and does everything just end there?

and also, is this subject really important to you? are you worried? could you not give a damn?

i have to admit, this really is one subject that scares the shit out of me... not knowing what will happen after our last dreaded day on earth... i've kinda started to believe in reincarnation to live a life as a different human being... but maybe that's just what i want to believe so i don't get as scared lol.

[matthew]

I think as long as i don't die at the hands of another ... i am going to be ok with dying ... touch wood i have at least another 50 years ... so i have hopefully have time to get used to the idea...and not piss off too many people so that people will miss me. I plan to give away as much of myself that is usable to any hospital that wants me (AKA i have a donor card).

I am in no way religouse i only talk about it when other people ask my opinions ...i just find the whole concept of religeon rather daft realy . Anyway i just think you break down into neutrons or protons and just make up something else...N.E.R.D .All that 'reincarnation' is far more intresting (to me) than self indulgent fantasies of coming back as part of the food chain .

[Shakra]

I used to think a lot about death, but now I think about life instead. Death is the common destiny, the one thing we all have to look forward too, and the only inevitable thing in life.

Try not to think too much about death, it is unfathomable. If you are grieving think instead about that persons life, not their death.

[loverofthewoods]

i think, we create our own reality in death...as we do in life.

i also belive in reicarnation on this level of existence until it is time to make that next step in our spiritual evolution.

[Thethirdbenjamin]

I try not to think about it,

To be honest i don't think i will ever truly know whats in the next life, i mean one can only guess and speculate.

I mean the general speculation is there is a heaven and a hell, but other then that what eles is known.

So to answer your question i don't know, frankly i don't know if we will ever know.

That is unless someone comes back to earth after dying.

[YogaOfLove]

this has always blown me away...ever since i was little i used to wonder what it would be like to be dead i would think 'what would you feel, but wait you wouldnt feel anything cause you were dead, so what does feeling nothing feel like...ya know endless cycle. would it just be black, but wait you wouldnt be able to see cause your dead, what would that feel like...' and we were never really religious so i never thought about heaven or hell, and dont now.... I used to think a lot about death, but now I think about life instead.i agree with that, dont worry about it until it happens

[DarkLunacy]

Fuck it. Its gonna happen and whatever happens happens. There were people before Jesus, there were people before Judism and it just goes back and back and back so I say fuck it I'll take whatever happens. I just want to live now as I see fit

[zerre]

Simply nothing. We were nothing before we born and we will be nothing afterwards. Pure as a baby. Nothing and everything.

We create all this personality and all these faces in this life. I mean this character, this thing we call "I" belongs to this world only. And is manuplated by body chemistry as much as personal experiences, childhood, education vs ... The minute we close our eyes all this suffering will cease .. We will be freed from this human form and see the real "I", I and I, the inner me, god, nothingness or whatever you name it.
And I believe death is worth celebrating. Fear of death is actually not a real "fear of death" it is the fear of unknown. And is so strong that people can place bombs on themselfes, exploit them and kill many people or fight wars on the other side of the world just to guaranty their places in this unknown. Their hell is today. Their hell is a wasted life, who needs to burn in hell when hell is present here. Yeah it sounds like a cliche but its true. Heaven and hell is right here right now. We are right here right now. Nothing more to think of.
There is a word "vuslat" it is Arabic or Persian, meaning is "the moment when two people madly in love unites". I think death is "vuslat". The unity of I with I.
Love ...

[DarkLunacy]

That was beautiful mate

[-Jesus-]

I hate dying.

[Shakra]

lol.......

[sweet_mama]

Please don't attack me for this: I honestly believe in Heaven and Hell. I think that when we die, if we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and asked for his forgiveness, we will go to Heaven. If not, then we will go to Hell. Please call off your dogs, I know that everyone has their own beliefs. You asked. I answered. (I read this book called "Deadline" and I really like the way that it portrayed death.)

[Erin]

We go home

YEY!!!



And if we learnt our lessons then we can choose what we will be up to next, and what lesions we want to learn. Meet up with all those old souls.

It’s all an education.



But I think if we take our own or someone else’s life then we are going to have to learn the same lesions. but it will be harder because you wont have the support of you're "class mates" or be in a "class room" environment if you know what I mean.

[crazy_gurl]

Please don't attack me for this: I honestly believe in Heaven and Hell. I think that when we die, if we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and asked for his forgiveness, we will go to Heaven. If not, then we will go to Hell. Please call off your dogs, I know that everyone has their own beliefs. You asked. I answered. (I read this book called "Deadline" and I really like the way that it portrayed death.)so sweet_mama... im interested (not attacking you here)... do you believe that you can only go to heaven if you believe in Christ?

[jendi17]

I think that whatever you believe happens to you. If you believe in Heaven, reincarnation, Nirvana, whatever you believe...
There's this one George Harrison song that has a line about this...
"...If you don't know where you're goin', any road will take you there."

[DarkLunacy]

Please don't attack me for this: I honestly believe in Heaven and Hell. I think that when we die, if we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and asked for his forgiveness, we will go to Heaven. If not, then we will go to Hell. Please call off your dogs, I know that everyone has their own beliefs. You asked. I answered. (I read this book called "Deadline" and I really like the way that it portrayed death.) And what of the people before Jesus? And those who hadn't yet heard his word in his time on earth? Are they simply victims of consequence, frying in a lake of fire?

[crazy_gurl]

And what of the people before Jesus? And those who hadn't yet heard his word in his time on earth? Are they simply victims of consequence, frying in a lake of fire?maybe before jesus, if you believed in God and lived your life to his teachings, then you went to Heaven...?

[Tamee]

I don't ever think about what happens when we die. I honestly, don't care.

[WeeDMaN]

What if when we die, we r just gone, no more existence,no more life,the people you know r gone, you are gone, non existent...this is creepin me out.

[StonyTheStoner]

Well you won't have to worry about it than... cuase you'll be gone, its not like you'll be floating around in some black barren place,alone, you'll just cease to be, and by the time you realize it, well, you won't realize it. Cause it will have already happened. Thats what I'm basing my life's philospohes around... I'm going to be totally erased one day... So why fret about life, and contributing to the system, just live my life the way I want to live it, and when death comes... it comes, I guess.

[squawkers7]

Some people like to think they will see loved ones later in Heaven when they die, but how do they really know they will? It's not as if anyone died and then sent you a letter saying where they were. All you can prove is that you are born, you live and then you die. So just enjoy the life you have now by living a good happy life as if it's the last day ya ever get.

[Bloody_Kisses]

i think the whole concept of heaven and hell is interesting. again, i think for most people its a comfort thing. i wish i could be sure that there is or isnt a heaven. if there is, then i dont think i will be going there anyway though. i beleive to a certain extent that if someone belives something enough, it can become reality. for instance, a couple years ago, someone really close to me was killed. in the months after her death, the only person i had to talk to about it was another close friend of hers which i didnt know that well at the time(she is now my best friend) . anyways, she always told me about these dreams that she kept having. dreams about our friend in heaven that was trying to communicate with her. i keept thinking, why am i not having these dreams? i kept having these morbid, incredibly disturbing dreams, yet hers were the opposite. now i think it is because i dont and have never allowed myself to believe that there is a heaven. she beleives in heaven and all things happy, so i think that is why she had an easier time getting past the death of our friend. i am still jelous of her. but no matter how many times i have tried to make myself beleive that there is a heaven, i just cant. if there was, i dont think i would even want to go there. i mean, what happened to just resting in peace? and the thought of sitting up in heaven looking down on my friends and family suffering because of my death doesnt sound too great. i hate making the people i love sad. i would rather just be erased and no longer concious. im sure a lot of people are looking foward to the time when there will be no trace of their lives left ont his earth.

[FreakyJoeMan]

When you die, yer bodily functions cease to continue, and yer body slowly decomposes. Usually, yer body is barried. Of course, it would be alot more ecologically sound to barry people without the big wooden box. Ya know, enrich the soil.

[agarzenry]

i think that death is such an issue in society it is automatically responded to with fear and negativity. i am not scared by death but i do not want to die. i have thought a lot about death. i believe that when a person dies they go back into the earth. walt whitman in song of myself has it right. i do not believe in heaven but i do not believe in nothing. i believein nature and feel comforted by the fact that if anything happened to me nature would assure my safety. whether or not our conscious self remains is a totally different philosophical question - reincarnation or rebecoming??? The two are very different.

it is a complex question...

peace and love
Zenry

[waterlily5]

I am not sure I believe in an afterlife. I would like to, but there is too much uncertainty about what happens after death, for me to believe in anything. I am inclined to believe you just cease to exist, but since there is no way of knowing, it is just as likely you get reincarnated, or go to hell, or Nirvana, or something else that noone has thought of or imagined yet...

[E-man216]

your thoughts and experinces are little electrical charges in your brain, you die they cease.

[Tamee]

your thoughts and experinces are little electrical charges in your brain, you die they cease.

I believe it's a little more than that. I believe everything is a little more than anything we know.

[squawkers7]

Why worry about where ya go after ya die.....does it really matter? Worry more about what you are doing with your life now and how you effect others and the impact that you have on this planet. That would be something real & a good way to live. Why do some people worry more about where they came from & where they are going, instead of where they are right now?

[FreakyJoeMan]

"I dont think about dying, i think of life, of course getting old suck, but thats all part of life."

Heh heh, it's not the fall that kills ya, it's that sudden stop at the end?

[peacefulwind14]

I believe in God and I believe there is a heaven. What "Heaven" means is debatable. Maybe when we die life as we know it (the illusion of the senses) breaks apart and our souls became concious invisible energy, dancing where we please in the cosmos.

[4_Leaf_Clover]

what happens when we die...
i can't say for sure... but i got a lot of clues after i read the Tibetan Book of the Dead quite a few times.

when i die, my body will crumble to dust, and my soul will leave this illusory existence behind and merge with the universal consciousness... or something like that. the point is, i can't remember the last time i died, so we'll see how it goes this time around :)

[crackforkids]

do K until you go blind or hit a big 5-meo-DMT rock. THAT is where your left when you die. i think.

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maybe we have all died millions of times. Obviously we wont remember dying or anything in our past life.

[Tamee]

I am.
Whether alive or dead, I am.

[SvgGrdnBeauty]

It has come to my understanding that we are all spiritual energy and a part of God and when we leave this material body what we have done (our Karma) will determine what happens...whether we reincarnate as an animal, human, or whether we go back to God...

But we cannot know until we get there...nor can we know what we were before this...so I figure you should just live life as best you can with open minds and be the best person that you can and hope that you can escape reincarnation...that is what I have come to believe and I believe someone quoted my sig and dear Mr. George Harrison but I will say it again and add just a bit more...

"I keep traveling around the bend
There was no begining
There is no end
It wasn't born and never dies
There are no edges
There is no sides
Ah yeah, you just don't win
You're so far out the way out is in
Bow to God and call him Sir
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there..."

[Veritas]

i think time stops and you trip eternally, with no bad trips ever.

[TrippinBTM]

maybe before jesus, if you believed in God and lived your life to his teachings, then you went to Heaven...?
And I guess that means those poor Native Americans and Australians, as well as many Africans, were screwed for the afterlife until colonialization (After which they were screwed in this life!)

As far as my ideas on death, I mainly agree with what another guy said, about joining back with the universal "I" except it isn't really joining; its the ego disolving away and realizing we were that Universal I all allong. I agree heaven and hell are both here now, whichever we choose. I think all religions use metaphors to describe this (that God is within), and the problem is when people get attached to the metaphors. Metaphors are signposts, they point to something else. Start focusing too much on the metahpor and too little on the meaning, and you're basically climbing the signpost rather than walking the path it points down. (read some stuff by Alan Watts. Good stuff)

Death isn't something to fear, but it isn't something to dwell on too much. We'll get there soon enough; our job is to live life. As Charles Buckowski said "We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live life so well that Death will tremble to take us"

[drewbee]

We are told we will be found with our loved ones. We will be happy, be free. I have one question though. Isn't happiness, isn't love, isn't freedom something, actually, an emotion? Aren't emotions something that is charecterized to a living thing?

When we die, we feel no death, we feel no happiness, we feel no love, we have left our bodies and our emotions behind, going to the new place. But is their a new place? Maybe everything that existed in our own self, is destroyed, and blanked out, making new room for the next person. We are everything when we are alive, and nothing when we are dead.

But then again, what if emotions are more then just neural impulses sent from our body to our brain to make us feel the way they do. Maybe their more then just simple chemical reactions taking place in our head. Energy? Possibly. I know that when I love someone, and they love me, I can look at them and can feel their love. I can feel their happiness, and sadness when they are down. (I believe the term is empathetic?). How is it possible that I can recieve something that is not mine? Maybe when we die, we do not fail to exist, but flurish. All of our energies on earth are taken with us to the next, be it the same place, or another of the unknown. Their are so many questions, and so little answers, but my friends, when it is time, it is time, and their is nothing you can do except wait for your body to fail. Just as certain as having to pay taxes, it is, and will come. This is why I live my life to the fullest, and love everyone and everything as I can, because at some point in time, it is going to all be gone, or all be their? Who knows. My own emotions are even taking over when writing this, as I am almost in tears. I emplore you all to do the same, because, as it is, we all have so little time.

Good Night To Everyone :)
Drew

[shkbobo]

Alls I can say is...I usually am like most of you abotu the issue, kind of like dont fuck up your life and jus live what happens happens, which is correct, but I get these moods at night....
Like thinking about anything like that. Because dying and not having anything after is horrible and scares the shit out of me. But imagine living forever...I don't know about you guys but that scares the shit out of me. If you live forever, you have no "future" if you think about it....you will always be there....scary as shit.

So as for dying or living forever, somehow they both scare me both.

So instead I'll go with the "forget about it and live life" idea, seems nicer....just hope my life will be worthy.

[TrippinBTM]

Alls I can say is...I usually am like most of you abotu the issue, kind of like dont fuck up your life and jus live what happens happens, which is correct, but I get these moods at night....
Like thinking about anything like that. Because dying and not having anything after is horrible and scares the shit out of me. But imagine living forever...I don't know about you guys but that scares the shit out of me. If you live forever, you have no "future" if you think about it....you will always be there....scary as shit.

So as for dying or living forever, somehow they both scare me both.
Not existing shouldn't scare you. We didn't exist before we were conceived, and no one worries about that. And I mean, if you don't exist, you can't be afraid, because you'd have to exist first to feel the feeling of fear. Dig?

I agree everlasting life would suck. Everything would be happy and fun, but that'd get boring as hell after a while.

But right now, the best answer we have as far as what happens after we die is "I don't know." So it is fun to imagine different heavens or whatever, but it's all speculation. I figure since death is natural and universal, there is nothing to be afraid of...it's a part of life. No worries. I'm just gonna keep living and having fun while I can.

[squawkers7]

you get buried 6 ft under, in some cemetary or cremated and your ashes sit on a mantle or go blowing in the wind.

[MattInVegas]

I have died. For two minutes on July 3rd 2003, at 12:18AM.
Nothing. No tunnels, no Lights Nothing. Just rest.

[roly]

we will go to either heaven or hell in the blink of an eye.

[themnax]

i think there is a natural tendency for people to want to believe they know more then they do.

as i get older i'm becoming more comfortable with the idea of mystery
then i was when i was younger.

i cannot tell you with any certainty what happens between lives
i don't believe we are ment or intended to remember that

but i'm pretty darn sure i've lived tangable material physical lives before

though not on THIS planet in THIS solar system.
rather on one in many ways similar
in A solar system in A galaxy and probably
though not neccessarily in this universe.

that doesn't mean you get out of your kharmic debts by conveniently dying
but i don't see as how dedicated realestate is any prerequisite to
the way things work collecting them!

=^^=
.../\...

[Tamee]

i cannot tell you with any certainty what happens between lives
i don't believe we are ment or intended to remember thatI totally feel the same way. If we were meant to remember things like that, we simply would. and since we don't I don't think we need to put much thought into it.

[The World of Dan]

I personaly don't believe in heaven or hell, or god for that matter - I believe in energy and in 'the earth'. I don't know if we have a 'soul' or not, but I'm sure that whatever we do have (our unique form of energy) goes back into the earth and is used to help new things grow...

[dhs]

Without getting too deep, ok maybe not, who's to say you haven't died already and this is your afterlife?

[seamonster66]

We no longer have to worry about health insurance or credit card debt.

[The World of Dan]

I think that reality is nothing more than a dream.... I don't know who's dreaming the dream, but once it wakes up, we'll all vanish...

OK, maybe I don't think that, but it's kinda cool all the same :)

[Wandering Pisces]

I too was like the world of dan, believing in energy and earth... it now goes a step further for me.

http://ascension2000.com/ConvergenceIII/ - read this...

http://ascension2000.com/Ra-studyguide.htm - read this...

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/rulesofthegame08may03.shtml - READ THIS IF YOU READ ANYTHING!

I believe in astral planes and different density beings.

1st Density level of existence: Minimal or no consciousness, depending on whether some dull
consciousness exists in rocks and minerals or not.

2nd Density: Plants. Animals. 100th monkey affect, they don't have free will in the normal sense that humans
do, birds, fish, are connected to a sort of "collective" thats why
they can move at the same exact instance in the air or water, some dogs and cats and other mammals are in between 2nd and 3rd density. Like Dolphins.

3rd Density: Humans. Free will, ability to think for ourselvs makes us detached from the pyschic collective.

4th Density: Here's where it starts getting interesting. At this level you have psychic phenomena,
telekinesis, and "flexibility in time and space" whatever that means. In other words, things start
getting sloppy. On the one hand, if you keep your focus in this state, you can make some use of the
more fluid than normal conditions. On the other, you can start to lose it and get confused. This
condition would seem to range from increased alertness and seeing to a psychic soup and confusion.
Some humans operate at this level, and all aliens. Or so it is said.

5th Density. Here is where DSM-whatever-roman-numeral-digit-R catalogable stuff starts getting
obvious. Beings operating at this "level" supposedly "see themselves as part of a larger reality."
This sounds like an excessive alertness to the mess of interactions and cause and effect social and otherwise,
potentially too much awareness for accurate assessment. Though this state still involves reality, it is
beginning to take on a melodramatic or other attention grabbing tone that can get idolatrous or something.
The ego boundary/identity dissolution may begin to get noticeable here. This dissolution is what most
Eastern metaphysics considers "illumination," "samadhi," etc., and is wrongly equated with The Beatific
Vision by some Christians. Western psychiatry may be loath to comment on it when it is discussed in a
religious context. But I don't see much difference between the defining elements of these states, and
some kinds of madness. See also R.C. Zaehner, <i>Mysticism Sacred and Profane</i> for more details. Incl.
a poet who, having sought and experienced all forms of mystical enlightenment could say from his own
experience that they are NOT all the same experience, and also eventually rejected them all as a lie.

6th Density: Here the overlap with reality is about nil. "They see themselves as an entire dimension."
They are semiphysical, and put on any bodily form they please. In other words, the state of mind is
one of delusional ego boundary expansion. Such a person if telepathic, could communicate some
of his/her delusions to another person. I leave it some outside observer to determine whether the
shape shifting in fact occurred, when viewed by binoculars, say, from beyond range of influence
and from a position unnoticed by the viewees.

7th Density: "They see themselves as a godlike consciousness, as all things." Supposedly such beings
are angels, archangels, etc. Here we see identity dissolution plus expansion plus bad theology. God is not
"all things," but distinct from them. Also distinct from the deluded 7th Density entity, regardless
of what the latter thinks. The 7th Density being would seem to be in a state of grandiose paranoia as well.

We have to try to go beyond the density we are at, allow ourselves to vibrant at a higher frequency. Love is the ultimate vibration, when you feel loved you notice that feeling right. That is YOU vibrating fast. Service to others is how you goto the next plane. Service to self is selfish, service to others is how you show love. And forgiveness, you have to forgive someone to forgive yourself because they are in essence YOU! We are all the same energy experiencing itself.

[JesusDiedForU]

Heaven or Hell but you determine where you go.

[Tamee]

We are all the same energy experiencing itself.I like that.

[Maes]

after the second or the third day maximum, the stomach inflates so much by the bacteria in your bowels that it literally explodes (with the last piece of shit left inside). After that, just like worms appearing on a left over food, we get full of tiny worm kind of animals. They help our smelly body rot and decompose better. If you're not in a coffin, then the nutritions in your body mixes with soil and plants feed on your body. So we literally become dung.

And sorry guys, there is no heaven or hell. Dung that is.

[Bacchus]

We are all the same energy experiencing itself.Actually it's:


"We are all of one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, and we are the imagination of ourselves."


_______Bill Hicks

[Wandering Pisces]

he was a great commedian, thats not what I was in reference to though.

We are all of one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

I believe we are all one Consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, we are not an imagination of ourselves, we have free will. It's like a father and a son, the son is OF the father, however the son can choose to do whatever. We are OF that single consciousness, but we can choose to do whatever.

[JesusDiedForU]

And sorry guys, there is no heaven or hell.
How do you know? Why are you so sure?

[Maes]

I dont kno, I believe so...thats why I'm so sure.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"what happens when we die?"

Who cares? let's worry about what happens to us when we live...

[Paul Morphy]

How do you know that there is a heaven or a hell? These are just concepts created by humans, and have never been proven to exist.

How do you know? Why are you so sure?

[Tamee]

Actually it's:


"We are all of one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, and we are the imagination of ourselves."


_______Bill Hicksactually it doesn't matter, you both said the same thing.

[Sign Related]

People are different so whatever happens it'll be different with each person. Will you remember the old you if there is an after life? I know certian beings amongst us will because they become as just ghosts/angels of the field.

I myself wont go to heaven or hell. You could say those that become as just ghosts are in a state of both heaven and hell at once. Anyhow, I myself would like to think an afterlife for myself would be better than life here on earth. I like to think life can only climax if we forever exist. Hopefully my afterlife, if it exists for me, will be in a paradise. In a sense, living here on earth is as a hell for many reasons.

[maryjaneguitargurl]

I'm not sure. Probably because I'm not dead yet. LOL. WE probably just go to a room filled with pictures of martha stewart since shes so perfect.lol haha

peace
chickens

[Tamee]

In a sense, living here on earth is as a hell for many reasons.I don't believe so at all.

[JesusDiedForU]

"what happens when we die?"

Who cares? let's worry about what happens to us when we live...

But what if it is what you do on earth is what determines where you go after you die.

[JesusDiedForU]

How do you know that there is a heaven or a hell? These are just concepts created by humans, and have never been proven to exist.
The Bible talks about them.... the Bible is true.

You may say that the Bible was simply written by men that are bound to make mistakes but God inspired the men that wrote the Bible. He guided them as they wrote it. So that the Bible could be used for teaching for all generations.

[Wandering Pisces]

LoL, jesusdied4U...

You have alot to learn... Study the legend of maldek... I bet you didn't know that Lucifer was a planet...

Or that in 1999 the Vatican publically announced the existance of aliens and alien contact with the Church.

http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/vatican.htm

[JesusDiedForU]

LoL, jesusdied4U...

You have alot to learn... Study the legend of maldek... I bet you didn't know that Lucifer was a planet...

Or that in 1999 the Vatican publically announced the existance of aliens and alien contact with the Church.

http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/vatican.htm

I have a lot to learn! You dont even know the proofs of the Bible! Lucifer was an angel of God, one God's most beautiful angels. But He was greedy and thought he was better than God so casted him out of heaven. I have a lot to learn! You don't even know the story of he Bible.

In regards to Aliens I started a post on it ... http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12937

It went like this...


UFOs: Inteligent beings or Demons from Hell?


As God has angels the Devil has demons....




"Extraterrestrials always seem to distort and attack Christianity, but not other religions. Bible prophecy and theology interest UFO occupants. The UFO messages deny the authority of the Bible, deny Christ's sacrificial death for our salvation, and deny that Jesus is the only way to the Father. They appeal to human pride with salvation by works or reliance upon the divine within. Contactees are left with an anti-Biblical view of the next life."

http://www.christianity.com/CC_Cont...62|CIID,00.html (http://www.christianity.com/CC_Content_Page/0,,PTID81829|CHID399862|CIID,00.html)



...the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience.
-Ephesians 2:2

[JanaXGIRL]

hehe, If I would know what happens when we die, I would be probably God.. but.. I remember words of george harrison.. "Death does not exist.. it's like when you taky another coat.."

but.. I'm not actually afraid of death.. i remember Keith Richards saying that he could die, really die, about 3-4 times and it's quite nice sense.. (but when you come back it's quite shock) .. who knows.. let's surprise :)

[JesusDiedForU]

hehe, If I would know what happens when we die, I would be probably God.. but.. I remember words of george harrison.. "Death does not exist.. it's like when you taky another coat.."

but.. I'm not actually afraid of death.. i remember Keith Richards saying that he could die, really die, about 3-4 times and it's quite nice sense.. (but when you come back it's quite shock) .. who knows.. let's surprise :)
Your faith is based off 2 muscicians? hmm

My faith is based off the Bible. Written by men but inspired by God.

[JanaXGIRL]

I don't say it's bassed on two musicians, but I said it because the first is also my opinion and the second makes me calm and not afraid of death.. :)

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

JesusDiedForYerDunkin'Donuts,

If what i do on earth decides where i go in death... i'm still not worried... and i still don't give a flying fuckosaurus (that's bigger than yer plain, everyday flying fuck)...

[PeachesScreams]

I believe when you die you die, nothing more. I have no need to believe in an afterlife, what's so wrong about just living what we have and not depending on something greater, what if this is as great as it gets, why not just be who you are and live your life today. If there is something after there's not much you can do about it now anyway.

[JesusDiedForU]

JesusDiedForYerDunkin'Donuts,

If what i do on earth decides where i go in death... i'm still not worried... and i still don't give a flying fuckosaurus (that's bigger than yer plain, everyday flying fuck)...
Well the Bible says that life on is just a test and that there is only two grades to this test heaven or hell. And the only way to get to heaven is the simple task of accpeting Jesus.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

I still don't care... nothing you say will change my mind just like nothing i say will change yer mind...

[JesusDiedForU]

I still don't care... nothing you say will change my mind just like nothing i say will change yer mind...
What if you found of the Bible was a 100% true would you believe and follow it?

If I found the Bible to be false I would not follow it.

[JanaXGIRL]

I still don't care... nothing you say will change my mind just like nothing i say will change yer mind... exactly... Me, in person, don't believe in Bible and so.. but.. well, it's everybody's own choice :)

[JesusDiedForU]

exactly... Me, in person, don't believe in Bible and so.. but.. well, it's everybody's own choice :)
I know that it is everyones choice. That is the way God created us with free will. We have the choice to accept God or reject him. God could have just created us to automatically obeyed him but He wanted to be with people who trully love him.

The Bible says most people will reject him. So when I see all this people on this forum with an anti-Jesus view I am not suprised. But I know the Bible is true. And one person at a time I try to save them from going down in flames.

[JanaXGIRL]

weeeeeeell, I also believe in God.. but.. I don't know.. Bible isn't for me..

[JesusDiedForU]

weeeeeeell, I also believe in God.. but.. I don't know.. Bible isn't for me..
What God? ... and why isnt the Bible for you?

[JanaXGIRL]

ehmm.. I just believe in god... no particular person but.. I just believe in guy called Keith.. and bible..? ehm, I just believe in afterlife, meditation and so... and Bible.. i don't know..

[JesusDiedForU]

ehmm.. I just believe in god... no particular person but.. I just believe in guy called Keith.. and bible..? ehm, I just believe in afterlife, meditation and so... and Bible.. i don't know..
-The Bible is the only text that has prophetic proof. It predicts future events before they happen in great detail. Also the scientific accuracies unique part of the Bible. It talks about scientific things hundreds and in some cases thousands of years before they had been discovered such as the earth is round. On top of that the Bible has archaeological finds that confirm stories of the Bible that were once thought as false. Such as the crossing of the Red Sea. People are finding Chariots, Chariot wheels, spairs, human remains, and many of there things that show that this great event surely did happen. Prophetic, Archaeological and Scientifical proof is what seperates Christianity from all the rest of the religions.

Though these are never talk about in the church. What I know was not learned in the church but from my own research. But to better explain it read this guys testimony .....


To the best of my memory, before I came to the saving grace of Jesus Christ, I did not believe the Bible was true. I doubted whether there was a God and believed that we were born, lived so many years, and then died. I owned a successful business and thought that I had succeeded by my own wits.
One evening, my wife and I heard some documentation that these were the last days before Jesus Christ would actually return. Not really wanting to hear it, I almost walked out. Something kept me there, and I listened. I was not convinced. I still had doubts whether or not there was a God. I doubted whether there really was a Satan, heaven, hell, or a judgment. Just to be sure, however, I decided to do a little research. My idea was to find out if the Bible was really true. Indeed, if I could find one contradiction, one error, or anything in the Bible that was not true, then that would be all that was needed to disregard it. (I wasn't necessarily interested in whether we were in the latter days or not, but just trying to find out if the Bible was really true.) I believed this would take a very short time.
As I have learned, the Bible has about 10,000 prophecies (verses). Nearly one-third of the Bible is directly or indirectly related to prophecy. This endeavour led me into far more research than I could have suspected. One thing needed, was to determine when the Bible was actually written. Because of this, a study of biblical history and archaeology was necessary. I found the Old Testament was indeed written before the coming of Jesus, as the Dead Sea Scrolls (containing parts of the book of Isaiah) were proven to have been written before Jesus came. The book of Isaiah includes forecasts of Jesus. Thousands of clay tablets have also been found, which confirm many accounts in the Bible.
I began studying the prophecies in the Bible. My wife would go to the library for me to obtain documentation from reference books to see if the prophecies really did take place. One day went by, then two days, and then a week. Every prophecy that we were able to get information on proved to be accurate. Two weeks went by. Then four weeks passed. My job became of secondary importance. Every prophecy that we were able to verify checked as being true. I was astonished, but far from convinced. I still had doubts as to whether there was a God, a heaven, or a hell yet I had to be sure. Later, there were people who would show me what appeared to be contradictions in the Bible, yet these were not contradictions at all, but only a lack of research on the part of those that said these things. I was searching to find if the Bible was true. My wife spent a lot of time at the library making copies of various reference materials, which I would check out against the Scriptures. Stubborn, that's me. Even after four weeks of intensive study, proving prophecy after prophecy was true, I was still skeptical and refused to believe. I began taking more time off from my business and investing it in study. One month turned into two, and two months turned into four. The more I researched, the more determined I became. It wasn't possible. The Bible could not be perfect. Thousands of prophecies, and every one perfect? No, impossible! Sixty-six books written by many people over hundreds of years and not one error? If I would admit that, I would have to admit there was a God, and I was not prepared to do it, even after months of research.
My studies also included various translations of the Bible, checking prophecies against reference books, archaeological discoveries, just to mention some. It became an obsession with me. My foremost desire was to know the truth. Four months turned into many months. I've never known anyone, before or since, that was willing to take this amount of time just to find out if the Bible was true. Finally, I had to admit I was wrong.
If you would walk across the street 10,000 times and never get hit, then you would walk across the street the next time by faith. So it was with me. Finally, after spending almost countless hours of research, I had to admit the Bible is true and is indeed the perfect Word of God. Anyone willing to take the time I did and do the same research, could only come to the same conclusion, if they are honest with themselves. I may have been the biggest skeptic in the world, but now I know. It did not come easy, but by God's mercy and grace, it did come.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

I am not "Anti-Jesus"... I'm Anti-believe-in-god-or-else-christians...

[JesusDiedForU]

I am not "Anti-Jesus"... I'm Anti-believe-in-god-or-else-christians...
You are either for him or against him... but the what I really want to know is:

What if you found of the Bible was a 100% true would you believe and follow it?

If I found the Bible to be false I would not follow it.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"You're either for him or against him"

Stop quoting Hitler!!

[JesusDiedForU]

"You're either for him or against him"

Stop quoting Hitler!!

-Jesus said

"He who is not with me is against me" (Matt. 12:30)

Maybe it was Hitler that quoted Jesus




And I will keep on puting this quote up:

"4. I was raised Christian... I know everything it's about..."
Apparently not

[JesusDiedForU]

What if you found of the Bible was a 100% true would you believe and follow it?

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

The Bible is not a very good sourse of information for the life of Jesus, dude...

here, go here: www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html)

[JesusDiedForU]

The Bible is not a very good sourse of information for the life of Jesus, dude...

here, go here: www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html)

The Bible is best source of Jesus because it was INSPIRED BY GOD(aka no errors) as i have been trying to explain for the last 15 posts. Find a website that counters the Archaeological, Scientific, and Prophectic of the Bible.

This guy use to be a skeptic just like you but not until he actually took the time and looked if the Bible was actually true that he found that it was.



THE BIGGEST SKEPTIC IN THE WORLD:
IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME

(courtesy of http://bibledesk.com/ (http://bibledesk.com/))
To the best of my memory, before I came to the saving grace of Jesus Christ, I did not believe the Bible was true. I doubted whether there was a God and believed that we were born, lived so many years, and then died. I owned a successful business and thought that I had succeeded by my own wits.
One evening, my wife and I heard some documentation that these were the last days before Jesus Christ would actually return. Not really wanting to hear it, I almost walked out. Something kept me there, and I listened. I was not convinced. I still had doubts whether or not there was a God. I doubted whether there really was a Satan, heaven, hell, or a judgment. Just to be sure, however, I decided to do a little research. My idea was to find out if the Bible was really true. Indeed, if I could find one contradiction, one error, or anything in the Bible that was not true, then that would be all that was needed to disregard it. (I wasn't necessarily interested in whether we were in the latter days or not, but just trying to find out if the Bible was really true.) I believed this would take a very short time.
As I have learned, the Bible has about 10,000 prophecies (verses). Nearly one-third of the Bible is directly or indirectly related to prophecy. This endeavour led me into far more research than I could have suspected. One thing needed, was to determine when the Bible was actually written. Because of this, a study of biblical history and archaeology was necessary. I found the Old Testament was indeed written before the coming of Jesus, as the Dead Sea Scrolls (containing parts of the book of Isaiah) were proven to have been written before Jesus came. The book of Isaiah includes forecasts of Jesus. Thousands of clay tablets have also been found, which confirm many accounts in the Bible.
I began studying the prophecies in the Bible. My wife would go to the library for me to obtain documentation from reference books to see if the prophecies really did take place. One day went by, then two days, and then a week. Every prophecy that we were able to get information on proved to be accurate. Two weeks went by. Then four weeks passed. My job became of secondary importance. Every prophecy that we were able to verify checked as being true. I was astonished, but far from convinced. I still had doubts as to whether there was a God, a heaven, or a hell yet I had to be sure. Later, there were people who would show me what appeared to be contradictions in the Bible, yet these were not contradictions at all, but only a lack of research on the part of those that said these things. I was searching to find if the Bible was true. My wife spent a lot of time at the library making copies of various reference materials, which I would check out against the Scriptures. Stubborn, that's me. Even after four weeks of intensive study, proving prophecy after prophecy was true, I was still skeptical and refused to believe. I began taking more time off from my business and investing it in study. One month turned into two, and two months turned into four. The more I researched, the more determined I became. It wasn't possible. The Bible could not be perfect. Thousands of prophecies, and every one perfect? No, impossible! Sixty-six books written by many people over hundreds of years and not one error? If I would admit that, I would have to admit there was a God, and I was not prepared to do it, even after months of research.
My studies also included various translations of the Bible, checking prophecies against reference books, archaeological discoveries, just to mention some. It became an obsession with me. My foremost desire was to know the truth. Four months turned into many months. I've never known anyone, before or since, that was willing to take this amount of time just to find out if the Bible was true. Finally, I had to admit I was wrong.
If you would walk across the street 10,000 times and never get hit, then you would walk across the street the next time by faith. So it was with me. Finally, after spending almost countless hours of research, I had to admit the Bible is true and is indeed the perfect Word of God. Anyone willing to take the time I did and do the same research, could only come to the same conclusion, if they are honest with themselves. I may have been the biggest skeptic in the world, but now I know. It did not come easy, but by God's mercy and grace, it did come.


http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/layout/spacer.gif

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

Wait... I think that's the wrong site...

oh well, it's still better than the bible but try this too: pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm (http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm)

[JesusDiedForU]

Wait... I think that's the wrong site...

oh well, it's still better than the bible but try this too: pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm (http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm)


I'll take this from an Archaeological view....

http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/james2.jpg

In one of the most spectacular archeological finds this century, the burial box of James the brother of Jesus has been discovered. All the details have been reported in the November/December 2002 issue of Biblical Archaeological Review. Technically, the burial box is referred to as an ossuary. The ossuary slightly trapezoid in shape with dimensions about 20 inches long, by 10 inches wide, by 12 inches high. On the top of the box the inscription reads, "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus." The paleographer at Sorbonne University in Paris (École Pratique des Hautes Études), Andre Lemaire, dated the empty box to 63 A.D. Experts say that the mention of a brother is unusual--indicating that this Jesus must have been a well-known figure.

[JesusDiedForU]

What if you found of the Bible was a 100% true would you believe and follow it?

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"What if you found of the Bible was a 100% true would you believe and follow it?"


You obviously want me to answer this question, so here it goes... maybe... that all depends on what you mean by true...


(PS: you look down on people who think differently than you, don't you?)

[JesusDiedForU]

"What if you found of the Bible was a 100% true would you believe and follow it?"


You obviously want me to answer this question, so here it goes... maybe... that all depends on what you mean by true...


(PS: you look down on people who think differently than you, don't you?)
What I mean is that everything in the Bible happened every thing in the Bible that says will happen is still going to happen (end times). There is a heaven there is a hell. There is a God. There is a Devil. That life on earth is only a mist compared life in eternity. And the only way to escape hell and go to heaven is to accept Jesus Christ.

I don't look down on people. I am not better than anyone else. Like the famous sermon by John Smith "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" We are all hanging by a string over hell. But the only way to avoid that string from breaking thus keeping a person from falling into hell is to follow Jesus.

I know the Bible is true and not to share the message of the cross with anyone would be selfish. It's kinda like standing on shore while a person is drownding and saying to myself "I don't want to get wet."

Jesus wants everyone to go to heaven but people chose not to go by reject him.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"I know the Bible is true and not to share the message of the cross with anyone would be selfish."

A very arrogant thing to say, in my opinion...

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

By the way... i can't answer yer question 'cuz i don't think the bible is 100% true and as a result i just can't imagine how i would respond if i found it were... sorry... i know how much you needed this answer to feed yer ego but i just can't answer it...

[JesusDiedForU]

"I know the Bible is true and not to share the message of the cross with anyone would be selfish."

A very arrogant thing to say, in my opinion...

Why? If you had the cure for cancer and you gave it to everyone that had cancer would that be arrogant? OR should you never release that cure in effort to avoid beinf arrogant

I know that The Bible is true.... And like the cure I am going to release to the world. But most of the world does not know the Bible is true because the pastors/priests never talk about it and world does not want to know that the Bible is true so they don't look. Because if the Bible is true that means they have to change for the good. Something most people do not want to do.

You never really answered the question after I defined the Bible truth:

Would you believe the Bible if you found that it was completely true?

[JesusDiedForU]

By the way... i can't answer yer question 'cuz i don't think the bible is 100% true and as a result i just can't imagine how i would respond if i found it were... sorry... i know how much you needed this answer to feed yer ego but i just can't answer it...
The Bible is a 100% true and what it comes down to after this is proved to a person that does not believe is they either accept the Bible or reject the truth.

This is not an ego trip. I am not here to put you down but to show you the way. Jesus loves you-thats why he died for your sins-but it is up to you to accept his sacrifice.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

I have made it very clear that i am not gonna change my mind on this issue... yet you still seem to think you have the power to "show me the light"...

it may not be the exact definition of "ego trip", but it's an ego trip none the less...

[Wandering Pisces]

jesus died for you... join us at these forums =)


http://teenforums.studentcenter.org/viewforum.php?f=22

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

No thanks...

[Tamee]

But what if it is what you do on earth is what determines where you go after you die.I believe life's too short to worry about what if's...

[Tamee]

I know that it is everyones choice. That is the way God created us with free will. We have the choice to accept God or reject him.Hey, man, just because someone doesn't believe in the bible doesn't mean they reject "god"

[JesusDiedForU]

I have made it very clear that i am not gonna change my mind on this issue... yet you still seem to think you have the power to "show me the light"...

it may not be the exact definition of "ego trip", but it's an ego trip none the less...
I don't have the power but I do have the evidence. What it comes down to is you either accept the Bible or reject the truth.

You obviously like the way you live because when I challenge it with the Bible you say: "I am not gonna change no matter what you say." Even if it is true? It is almost like saying you don't believe the earth is round. It's the truth but you neglect it because you want to believe what you believe and what you believe is it based on anything?

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"I either accept the bible or reject the truth?"

Isn't that just a liiittle bit like saying "Yer either Anti-Semitic or you like to rape puppy dogs!" I lose no matter which i pick!

Accept The bible: I choose to believe in sumfin' i don't really believe just so i can go to an afterlife i don't believe (but better safe than sorry, right! fuck my principles!) Aka: I Sell Out...

Reject The Truth: To me the truth is there is no God and there is no brain in Pat Robertsons head... in order to reject the truth (for me) i'd have to stop believing this (once again, who needs principles, right! baaa, let's be sheep, baaa!!)

No matter which stupid answer i choose... i'd have to sell out...

so i choose... neither... i choose to live a life of peace and good-will towards men and just hope that if there actually is a god, he's not this stuck up asshole who won't let people (no matter how nice they are) in to the good afterlife if they don't "accept" him that you say he is... buh-bye and peace, man...

[Small_Brown]

In death, I believe your dead. Theres no "heaven" or anything else of that nature. You get put into the ground and that it. Your time is over.

[JanaXGIRL]

Yeah, I guess that everybody believes in something or someone.. everybody has such notional God but not always it's about Jesus and Bible and Christianity or so..

somebody can believe in jesus, somebody in Buddha, somebody in.. John Lennon.. but still believes, and that's most important.. (to me)

[Paul Morphy]

I knew you were going to say this. The Bible is filled with contradictions and mistakes, and if what you say is true, then God is either falible, or he deliberately filled the Bible with mistakes and contradictions. If that is the case, he caused innumerable people to misinterpret the Bible and therefore lead sinful lives, and go to Hell after they died.

The Bible talks about them.... the Bible is true.

You may say that the Bible was simply written by men that are bound to make mistakes but God inspired the men that wrote the Bible. He guided them as they wrote it. So that the Bible could be used for teaching for all generations.

[Tamee]

My grand mother is in the fear of God she is afraid, and she has given here life to taking care of wortless losers and quit never did enjoy here life cause she said that this was god will.No one is worthless

[FreakyJoeMan]

I don't have the power but I do have the evidence. What it comes down to is you either accept the Bible or reject the truth.

You obviously like the way you live because when I challenge it with the Bible you say: "I am not gonna change no matter what you say." Even if it is true? It is almost like saying you don't believe the earth is round. It's the truth but you neglect it because you want to believe what you believe and what you believe is it based on anything?

Okey, "evidence" is based on objective fact(Ex: We know what rocks are made out of, but if there weren't any scientists to describe what rocks are made out of, they'd still be made out of the same stuff, not the best example, but it works under the circumstances) The Bible is based on subjective 'truths', ie. someone said that something happened, so it happened.

Also, equating the "truth" of the Bible, and the Earth's roundness is a stupid thing to do. We can discern the earth's roundness from around other things, the orbit of sattalites, the earth's round shadow cast on the moon during an eclipse, and pictures and video taken from space. All these are testible, provable facts. The Bible, while based in reality, cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, because the occurrances in it cannot be tested. So far, walking on water, parting a sea, changing water into wine, rising from the dead, all these seem to have only happened in the book, so they can't be tested and proven to be fact.

"It's the truth but you neglect it because you want to believe what you believe and what you believe is it based on anything?"

Heh heh, I submit that you are the one who is disregarding the truth, the light, the cold fact of the matter. You are beleiving falsehoods, lies instilled in you by this world, and the only way to break free from those lies is to beleive what I say. Now, how does that make you feel? And beleive me, I don't have to actually formulate my arguments and try to go at it half-logically, I can just give in to rhetoric and self-made dogma, and repeat myself over and over and over until everyone on this thread has been made sick by my repatism.

[JesusDiedForU]

I knew you were going to say this. The Bible is filled with contradictions and mistakes, and if what you say is true, then God is either falible, or he deliberately filled the Bible with mistakes and contradictions. If that is the case, he caused innumerable people to misinterpret the Bible and therefore lead sinful lives, and go to Hell after they died.
find a contradiction

[JesusDiedForU]

I mean where is proof that this all mighty god exist somewhere.

Where is the proof that the NDE are real, and not just the brain going crazy.

When priest have sex with young kids and prostitutes and are suppose to give there life to GOD what the hell is going on,

Then they tell me that god exist and ask me for my check book, This is way to stinking funny.

Unless someone comes to me and give me solid proof that there is life after death and not just some dumb stupid line like God loves you, or God will be with you and they just beleive in that shit.

My grand mother is in the fear of God she is afraid, and she has given here life to taking care of wortless losers and quit never did enjoy here life cause she said that this was god will.

Now any proof
Don't believe in church Don't believe in priests or pastors. Believe in Jesus because He is flawless. Follow the Bible because it is flawless.... You say no way.... PLEASE LOOK AT THE LINK IN MY SIGNITURE...

[Maes]

life after death has been an issue vulnerable to misuse by the "religious" authorities. The earliest conceptualizing of "the life after death" has been seen in the culture of the Neanderthalensis man for they buried their dead with funeral gifts such as stone tools, medicational herbs and food.

[Becknudefck]

your corpse rots in a hole in the ground......


and there you stood on the edge of your feather, expecting to fly........
-Buffalo Springfield

no i think there is a heaven, but actually, im not sure. i think we float around in nothingness

[TrippinBTM]

find a contradiction
For starters...

http://ffrf.org/lfif/?t=contra.txt

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.shtml

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html

[JesusDiedForU]

For starters...

http://ffrf.org/lfif/?t=contra.txt

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.shtml

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html

"Later, there were people who would show me what appeared to be contradictions in the Bible, yet these were not contradictions at all, but only a lack of research on the part of those that said these things."

http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/proof/id8.html

This guy has done the research from atheist to believer. He's seen the truth and no longer cries wolf.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

JesusAndPals,

Yer arrogant... yer on an ego trip... yer only here to convince people to think exactly like you... you don't really consider yerself a sinner, you just say that so people won't think yer stuck-up... Most people who do these "finding facts in the bible" thingies are doing them because deep-down they are beginning to lose their faith, and this is their way of desperatley clinging on...

but that's all just my opinion...

buh-bye and peace, man...

[JesusDiedForU]

JesusAndPals,

Yer arrogant... yer on an ego trip... yer only here to convince people to think exactly like you... you don't really consider yerself a sinner, you just say that so people won't think yer stuck-up... Most people who do these "finding facts in the bible" thingies are doing them because deep-down they are beginning to lose their faith, and this is their way of desperatley clinging on...

but that's all just my opinion...

buh-bye and peace, man...

For all have fallen short of the glory of god. What part of that don't you understand? I am a sinner ...I am a sinner ...I AM A SINNER!! And I tell Jesus that all the time. It is true Bible proofs do make my faith stronger but that is not why I studied them. The reason why I studied them is because when I started to tell others about the Bible and Jesus the people began to ask questions back. ...

"How do you know the Bible is true?"
"Aren't there a lot of contradictions in the Bible?"
"How do you know that the Bible wasn't changed?"

So I began studying because I did not know.

You must understand through the Bible I believe that all people either Go to heaven or hell. That people can be saved from hell if they accpet Jesus into their hearts. And I am trying my best prevent people from walkin on the the highway to hell and leading the to the stairway to heaven. It has nothing to do with my ego I JUST CAN'T STAND WATCHING A GENERATION GOING DOWN IN FLAMES. I can't stress it enough.

I am sorry if I offended you... please understand where I am coming from

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

Bullshit...

[JesusDiedForU]

Bullshit...
Thats my testimony man..... I have the cure to prevent death... and I am trying to pass it out.. but people don't want it.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

No you don't... the cure fer death is not dying... and nobody can prevent dying... we've all gotta go sometime...

[JesusDiedForU]

No you don't... the cure fer death is not dying... and nobody can prevent dying... we've all gotta go sometime...
Your physical Body will pass away but your will continue to live.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"Your physical Body will pass away but your will continue to live."

My will!? What happened to god's will!?

[JesusDiedForU]

"Your physical Body will pass away but your will continue to live."

My will!? What happened to god's will!?

Your soul* will continue to live

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"Your soul* will continue to live"

Yeah yeah, i know what ya meant, i was jest messin' with ya...

But seriously... i still don't care... all i care about is what happens when i'm alive... not because i'm "too scared and stoopid to accept the truth"... i just really don't give a rats ass...

[JesusDiedForU]

Showtime/Redneck-Bud



"all i care about is what happens when i'm alive... "

-So you "suit their own desires"

[TrippinBTM]

"Later, there were people who would show me what appeared to be contradictions in the Bible, yet these were not contradictions at all, but only a lack of research on the part of those that said these things."

http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/proof/id8.html

This guy has done the research from atheist to believer. He's seen the truth and no longer cries wolf.
I'm not seeing where he addresses the contradictions. But, here's the deal. If you take the bible literally, and believe in biblical inerrancy, you are faced with clear contradictions (if you bothered to read those sites). Some you can try to rationalize away (you could probably rationalize all of them away, but you'd have to do some serious word bending and reinterpretation to the point where you're lying). You can't just ignore these things and be serious about it's inerrancy. Unless you want to call your God an idiot.

If you don't take the bible literally but see it as a document, written by man, full of allegory, stories, and most importantly, SYMBOLISM, then you have much less of a problem (but still a problem, nonetheless, because some of the contradictions affect moral codes).

The site you posted is garbage. Clearly, anyone writing with a copy of the Old Testament in front of them and wanting to write about a messiah has all he needs to "fulfill the prophesies." All he has to do is write it. Many of the prophesies in the Bible have not come true and CANNOT come true (for example, Jesus said he'd return in the lives of some of his followers...but that was 2000 years ago, and they're all dead, and he didn't show).

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"So you "suit their own desires""

Nooo... i've already explained to you how i'm not exactly living the easy life... but i'm also not living for other people's desires, either... don't know where you got that one...

[Butch]

Peace and love yo.

OK, hers what I have to say:

The answers to everything spiritual like life and death can be obtained from your own mind. Others can lead you in interesting directions but the only truely life satisfying answers come from within. They are hard to find but they are there.

The lazy don't look for them, the lazy go to work 5 days a week.

So you want to know what I think, I think you shouldn't give a rats what I think and search for your own answers in your own head.

Then when you find your answers there is no need to tell anyone because the only satisfying answer comes from within, so you can't satisfy anyone else with your answer.

Anyway, this topic is interesting so here is my answer:

You are not your physical body made of matter, matter cannot think or feel.
You are the spirit that experiences life through your body. That's what life is - the bodily experience of the spirit. You were a spirit before your life, a spirit during your life and a spirit after your life. I don't quite know what I (my spirit) has been up to before this life or what I'll be up to after this life, all I know is that I will be bathing constantly in my spiritness. BE-AUTIFUL.

So what to do with life while I have it?
I think I spend too much time thinking about life and not living it!
But hey what else is there to do while your on the dole.

I have found love, but she does not know it yet. That is a great thing to do in life - make love to a woman you love. Do you think she will be keen to sleep with me if I tell her I think very highly of her? Who knows? I'll keep you posted!

[Elle]

I personally dont believe that anything happens to us after we die. That we are gone and our body is buried or cremated and that's it. Its quite a sad theory. I wish I could believe in life after death or reincarnation. Or even that I will go to heaven or something....but I dont believe any of that, and that is also one of the reasons why I fear death so much. I never ever want to die. But who really does? Although if I believed in going to heaven or something I would be able to except the idea much better.

[Psy Fox]

You must understand through the Bible I believe that all people either Go to heaven or hell. That people can be saved from hell if they accpet Jesus into their hearts. And I am trying my best prevent people from walkin on the the highway to hell and leading the to the stairway to heaven. It has nothing to do with my ego I JUST CAN'T STAND WATCHING A GENERATION GOING DOWN IN FLAMES. I can't stress it enough.
I don't believe God is a bureaucrat. I don't think God is going to nit pick and be an ass about it.

That would make God unenlightened.

I remeber a claymation movie "The Adventures of Mark Twain" (been a while so my memory might be a bit off) remeber a part where a religous person dies and goes heaven but it is filled with hippie green aliens parting. The alien at the gate said "Not everyone’s heaven is the same.” and he winds up to a conventional boring heaven. If I had a choice I'd pick the first :H

[JesusDiedForU]

I don't believe God is a bureaucrat. I don't think God is going to nit pick and be an ass about it.

That would make God unenlightened.

I remeber a claymation movie "The Adventures of Mark Twain" (been a while so my memory might be a bit off) remeber a part where a religous person dies and goes heaven but it is filled with hippie green aliens parting. The alien at the gate said "Not everyone’s heaven is the same.” and he winds up to a conventional boring heaven. If I had a choice I'd pick the first :H
But according to the Bible everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And the only way to get rid of that sin is accepting Christ. Most people have not accepted Christ and therefore are living in sin.

[TrippinBTM]

But according to the Bible everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And the only way to get rid of that sin is accepting Christ. Most people have not accepted Christ and therefore are living in sin.
But YOU aren't. Gee, aren't you special. Thanks for my daily ego trip, I can now finish the day in peace.

[Psy Fox]

But according to the Bible everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And the only way to get rid of that sin is accepting Christ. Most people have not accepted Christ and therefore are living in sin. If that is true god is flawed, you don't turn away from your children just because they don't agree with you. Thus if true God has not reached even intellectual enlightenment.

I put my faith in Mother Earth, she'll look after me.

[stevo]

the hand of god picks you up from the small of your back, and you fly around for a bit, feeling great.
then I came back
stevo

[Liberation]

the same thing happens to us when we blink
dead or alive what are we really comon
they could both be ultimately illusions that we percieve as god
is the word dead hollow or does it contain the entire universe
you see what i mean words make us think we are dead or alive coming or going seeing or whatever but do we control any of this ?
we believe that death is the same as a splash in the water

[nirvana_4_ever]

I think when we die, that's it. no Heaven, No Hell. Once your Brain goes and all the Chemistry in your head/body stops then that's it. However I do believe when you die, You are born again as someone else, no relation and have any significant to do with your otherself.

[BFG_Rob]

I believe in reincarnation, your soul passing from one life to another, gaining experience along the way until you reach some state of completeness... or something like that.

It better go down that way because I'm counting on coming back from where I end up with the power to squish Regis Philbin's head with my thumb and index finger....

...like I do when I see him on tv...

...only for real.... *squish!!* <-- like that! :D

[Raving Sultan]

No more boom for that mama san

[Ash_Freakstreet]

well... what happens to a broken computer?


Same case here.
























Except that God will take care of us :)

[Joe Cool]

ok, when you know you're about to die and you start making the transition, whatever you believe happens will happen in your mind............and then your brain will shutdown

[JesusDiedForU]

I put my faith in Mother Earth, she'll look after me.
Worship the creation rather than the Creator...

[BFG_Rob]

when i die, im gonna die eating string cheese and fruitopia!

[ryupower]

When you die, your spirit is set free, it will return to an embryo when it is ready to continue life in physical form.

[DarkStarRising]

People tend to dwell on the ideas of what's after death. It's our nature. Having conciousness is what seperates humans from other animals. This can be a plus for us most of the time, but when it comes to certain topics, such as this one, it can be a disadvantage. In my opinion, once we die its all over...there's nothing left. People have a hard time understanding and accepting this. People are afraid of what they don't understand...only because they have the ability to think about it. In turn, they come up with ideas and beliefs to make themselves feel more comfortable with the subject. When they do this, they let fear run their lives.

The human brain is a strange thing.

Why can't we just stop worrying, put the past and the future aside, and make it simple by living now?

I think everyone should live by one simple saying...

-Just Be-



sorry if it all doesnt make sense...its really late!

Peace!

[Moving_cloud]

What will be when we die ... the same as is right now ... but what is now.

I think when we die we jump out of the tracks of space and time that we believed were granted, stretching from a past to a future that looked quite as sure.

But being not time bound in a greater reality means just that we are already here, right in this moment, and never have been away and never have been somewhere else. There is no past and no future … we die right now. We are already dead. We are in all sorts of hells and heavens and some of us in a fools paradise. We are not yet even born. It does not really matter. What matters is that sometimes we sense that we are here … we are ... and sometimes when life feels strange we maybe just start to wonder, and remember.

When we die our complete life unrolls to our view in just one moment, much like a dream. And as we look we see with clarity all that we have learned and had desired to learn and all that felt missing and it is like doors that open to other insights and there is no limit. There are fine threads and cords like a living net of energy and we know we are connected with all that is from the very core of our being, and to know is just like to breath, and be, and become. It is all energy. It is all change.

So when we die we look on who we are and we understand from the depth of our being and there are no questions or doubts. It is now, at the very same moment. So who looks at whom ... and we look on everything and we see how we sit here on our computers and type and read and maybe scratch our head haha … holy shit yeah … we see and know ourselfes in the light of a greater reality where we unfold a lifetime from a timeless moment like kinda big bang, to stretch it towards infinity, creating time as a line to follow in wondrous process land. Time is energy too and flexible so we kinda expand it and fill it with awareness and it takes us on like a rushing stream. Yet while we reach out far into darkness we sometimes get lost and forget that this is not all. But then we created the search, and the missing sense, too. It is all now ……… and it is still all now.

When we pass on we look on ourselfes with such love and forgiveness and we see ourselfes in the light of the greater reality, and whole and complete. To love is the deepest desire and greatest lesson of all. It is what we do and strive to do. We may never know better than in the moment of transition. But all steps we create are just to find it is so. We are in transition all the time. Ok so ... I think there is not really such a thing as death. … yeah simple ….

Just some more thoughts but geez this got way longer than planned. And did anybody catch it anyway.

[Doors_67]

i dont really care what happens, as long as it happens, soon

[sylvanlightning]

I enjoy the way a surprise feels in the moment.
Awe inspiring and beyond words; being.

An expansiveness with tendrils of luminous awareness
resides just under the skin, waiting to shed its finite form.

This temple of skin, bones, nerves, organs, blood going in recursively,
to the fractal space between electrons or the path of strange quarks...
the body of conscious light is no less complex.

Death sheds the container not the contents.

One wonders of free and true will as the unfolding of Self continues; ever here, ever now.

Source remembering in time.

The doings of manifestation, continue beyond the physical into the etheric and causal... on and on, or in and in beyond the handy laptop of the mind into the pure home of light and sound. Beyond into the silent void, nothingness, to emerge in limitless clear lights without contour or distinction. Yes All Is. We are interconnected. After the cloak of mind is shed the I merges into the One sharing experiences as a collective awareness yet, retaining an energetic signature.

Caterpillars turning into Butterflies, Butterflies dissolving into Sunlight, Form returning to the Formless. Do not fear that you will lose your energetic signature for it takes diversity to make a choir, yet know that the light and sound current has always been, is now and will be immediate then. We all love to share a good movie, much like a fascinating dream.

[ryupower]

I totally agree with this one:
http://www.astralvoyage.com/projection/afterlife.html

[purplesage]

Dying is something I try not to think about too much...

The most likely theory to me is that once you die then it's over, forever. But the way I TRY to look at it is, I don't remember the eternity before I was born so I won't remember the eternity after I'm gone, and I won't remember that I had even lived in the first place. It's hard to grasp though when you're alive and conscious.

I wish I could believe in something. The best theory for me would be reincarnation. I don't want to live forever and I don't want to die forever either, so it's perfect. Plus some of the stories are pretty damn interesting, and almost convincing.

When I die I plan on donating my organs so that I can continue to live on in some way.

I'm starting to freak myself out now... I'm outta here.

[BlackGuardXIII]

People tend to dwell on the ideas of what's after death. It's our nature. Having conciousness is what seperates humans from other animals. This can be a plus for us most of the time, but when it comes to certain topics, such as this one, it can be a disadvantage. In my opinion, once we die its all over...there's nothing left. People have a hard time understanding and accepting this. People are afraid of what they don't understand...only because they have the ability to think about it. In turn, they come up with ideas and beliefs to make themselves feel more comfortable with the subject. When they do this, they let fear run their lives.

The human brain is a strange thing.

Why can't we just stop worrying, put the past and the future aside, and make it simple by living now?

I think everyone should live by one simple saying...

-Just Be-



sorry if it all doesnt make sense...its really late!

Peace!
First, things I don't get. You say 'once we die it's all over.' Maybe, I don't know, and want to know how you do. I assume it is just your opinion based on your life. I have seen lots of freaky stuff, so I am not so sure. And there is that 'moment of death' research case, where it was found that at the time of the last breath, the body loses 3/4 of an ounce in weight. Up until then, it loses 1 oz. per hour in vapor. I have also read some very hard to explain claims of reincarnation, where the child knew things about the deceased that only the deceased knew, or some things only the spouse knew.
Gertrude Stein wrote, "Dead is dead." and may very well be right. I think there is something afterwards, but I haven't been dead, so I cannot say I know for sure.

I do not fear death at all, since at least 20 years ago. Whatever happens, it has the potential to happen any moment, so I have decided not to dread it, but instead, to squeeze the most out of life till then.

I love your ending advice, esp. the quote "Just Be.", it reminds me of "Life Is." which I wrote down in my poetry journal over 20 years ago, and still like.

Buddha would agree with you to just help out and do what you can and don't worry about things you have no hope of comprehending anyway, at least until you get to see for yourself what happens.

[BlackGuardXIII]

Dying is something I try not to think about too much...

The most likely theory to me is that once you die then it's over, forever. But the way I TRY to look at it is, I don't remember the eternity before I was born so I won't remember the eternity after I'm gone, and I won't remember that I had even lived in the first place. It's hard to grasp though when you're alive and conscious.

I wish I could believe in something. The best theory for me would be reincarnation. I don't want to live forever and I don't want to die forever either, so it's perfect. Plus some of the stories are pretty damn interesting, and almost convincing.

When I die I plan on donating my organs so that I can continue to live on in some way.

I'm starting to freak myself out now... I'm outta here.
There are two books out by Surgeons, which outline the amazing ways the receivers of hearts change to be more like the donors. It appears that the heart contains some form of memories. My favorite story is of a young woman whose boyfriend died right after a huge fight with her, and she wanted to meet the recipient to say sorry, and bye, to her boyfriend.
He was a young boy who did not speak english, and his mother agreed to the meeting. The woman started to say her apology, and used an expression the two of them had always used to say it's okay, forgiven, forgotten, etc.-
She said 'everything is copasetic.', and the mother freaked out... what is that word... I must know. When the woman explained it to her, the mother said that her son used that word constantly since the transplant, and no one they knew could tell her what it meant.

Cool, huh?

[strawpuppy]

Written sometime in the 1800's

"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home."




Chief Tecumseh,


Shawnee Nation
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ALSO:
For anyone with the time............

Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy. 1844-1881
"The Fountain of Tears"

[TheStoon]

First, things I don't get. You say 'once we die it's all over.' Maybe, I don't know, and want to know how you do. I assume it is just your opinion based on your life. I have seen lots of freaky stuff, so I am not so sure. And there is that 'moment of death' research case, where it was found that at the time of the last breath, the body loses 3/4 of an ounce in weight. Up until then, it loses 1 oz. per hour in vapor. I have also read some very hard to explain claims of reincarnation, where the child knew things about the deceased that only the deceased knew, or some things only the spouse knew.
Gertrude Stein wrote, "Dead is dead." and may very well be right. I think there is something afterwards, but I haven't been dead, so I cannot say I know for sure.
Ah - Dr MacDougall, for a start he never even proved that there is a significant weight loss at the moment of death - only one of his 6 (only six, hardly a large sample), "patients" showed a weight loss as described (21 grams), 2 were excluded altogether for technical reasons, so his sample is now down to 4, one lost 3/8 of an ounce but then mysteriously regained that weight, and the other 2 lost large amounts of weight twice, once at the "moment" of death, and then again a few minutes later, does this mean they had 2 souls?

And then you have the complication of trying to decide when death actually occurs, does the soul leave the body when the body stops breathing? What if the person is kept alive by machine? Does it leave on brain death? etc etc etc

Nah - this is a myth, never proven, and probably never will be.

But yeah, i'm in the when you die, you die category. And i'm happy with that too.

[DarkStarRising]

I'm no doctor, so I'm sure there's more to it than this, but...

It seems to me that the loss of the weight is just the last breath of air exiting the lungs.

I don't know, just a thought.

[purplesage]

There are two books out by Surgeons, which outline the amazing ways the receivers of hearts change to be more like the donors. It appears that the heart contains some form of memories. My favorite story is of a young woman whose boyfriend died right after a huge fight with her, and she wanted to meet the recipient to say sorry, and bye, to her boyfriend.
He was a young boy who did not speak english, and his mother agreed to the meeting. The woman started to say her apology, and used an expression the two of them had always used to say it's okay, forgiven, forgotten, etc.-
She said 'everything is copasetic.', and the mother freaked out... what is that word... I must know. When the woman explained it to her, the mother said that her son used that word constantly since the transplant, and no one they knew could tell her what it meant.

Cool, huh?

Yes that's very cool to hear.

I see in the previous post you said you have seen some freaky things. Have you written about any of them in the forums so I can read about them? Sounds very interesting. Thanks brother.

[Piezoluminescent]

I don'tcare if I die . The only thing that makes me depressed about it is seeing people I love die . As strange as it sounds I want to go before my parents . I know thats selfish to so I guess you could say I want to go right after them.

[BlackGuardXIII]

Yes that's very cool to hear.

I see in the previous post you said you have seen some freaky things. Have you written about any of them in the forums so I can read about them? Sounds very interesting. Thanks brother.
you're welcome, I will post some, and let you know. thank you

[BlackGuardXIII]

Ah - Dr MacDougall, for a start he never even proved that there is a significant weight loss at the moment of death - only one of his 6 (only six, hardly a large sample), "patients" showed a weight loss as described (21 grams), 2 were excluded altogether for technical reasons, so his sample is now down to 4, one lost 3/8 of an ounce but then mysteriously regained that weight, and the other 2 lost large amounts of weight twice, once at the "moment" of death, and then again a few minutes later, does this mean they had 2 souls?

And then you have the complication of trying to decide when death actually occurs, does the soul leave the body when the body stops breathing? What if the person is kept alive by machine? Does it leave on brain death? etc etc etc

Nah - this is a myth, never proven, and probably never will be.

But yeah, i'm in the when you die, you die category. And i'm happy with that too.
Thank you for the info. and I agree that it is all hard to know. I just have seen too many things that make me convinced we go on. But you may be right, or we both may be, since we are living different realities.
It is all open to question, and I have many conflicting theories myself, that I like.

[randy]

i think about this all the time, alot, i cant help but be afraid of what its going to be like, i just hope that its quick and painless

thats all i ask

they say that the dying brain causes nightmares and what have you

humm.....

its going to happen sooner than we wish for

aging scares me enough let alone what happens afterwards,

i dont know if i will be able to cope with againg even

i really dont think so.,.


this is not good.

i hate to see death, i hate to see tombstones i cant stand any of it

getting more and more this way and rapidly so.,

i dont know what to do,

maybe i have crossed a point

there was an experience i had when i was 16 or 17, in a friends back yard, i wont say what we were doing but i lost consciousness due to lack of oxygen, it triggered a horrible nightmare that i will always remember,

it was not good at all

and i dont know how long this was occuring before they got me conscious again using garden hose

i couldnt walk or anything for a while after that they had to carry me into the house

the nightmare,,, it was not a good thing

wouldnt take very much text to describe it, but,.,,,


im not looking forward to my last moments

but i would stop thinking about it if things in this life quit declining and turn back around, found wqork again, had a special lady to be with always


i fear none of thats gonna happen, not at this rate

it could, if some miracle happens soon, i know it could

trying to find a way to grab it all but something is blocking me from grabbing it, i dont know what !

its so close, but i just cant, yet, so far,

im not religious or anything, we just exist, we are result of eons of evolution from tetrapods

we are so advanced mentally now that we can think about and worry about this,

highly doubt squirrels rabbits and such have any idea that one day they will be be poof lifeless.

but we can and do,

what dark star rising said yeah!
Having conciousness is what seperates humans from other animals. This can be a plus for us most of the time, but when it comes to certain topics, such as this one, it can be a disadvantage. In my opinion, once we die its all over...there's nothing left. People have a hard time understanding and accepting this. People are afraid of what they don't understand...only because they have the ability to think about it. In turn, they come up with ideas and beliefs to make themselves feel more comfortable with the subject. When they do this, they let fear run their lives.

The human brain is a strange thing.

Why can't we just stop worrying, put the past and the future aside, and make it simple by living now?


yep !

but it is so hard not to think about and worry about it

happens about every day!

how to stop it ??

[alphacolor]

I belive in eternal life, but I belive there is no place that is heaven or hell, nor does it have a form on its own. I belive our minds create our afterlife as much as our minds create reality in hypnosis or under a acid trip.
I belive death is a release form a fixed reality. The only thing objective is the communication between other minds and the collective of all that is,was,will be or could be (god). Some people mention grass fields and sunshine in their near death experiences, some describe cities of light etc. I think it all depends on ones wishes and expectations. It's like being a director (and the director of photography) of a movie where you are the main character.

this is what I belive

[BlackGuardXIII]

yep !

but it is so hard not to think about and worry about it

happens about every day!

how to stop it ??__________________
hmmmm.....
i really dont know
whats this life for.,.,
hmm..

randy

I was reading a book about 20+ years ago that said, " death is beside you every day of your life, you may as well make him your friend. " I think it was a Castaneda novel. It stuck with me.
Every day spent worrying is one you could have spent helping someone, listening, whatever makes you happy.

[Bare Foot Bunny Hugg]

I think when we die..we become firtilizer for mother earth..as does all the other creatures that die..

[alphacolor]

i can tell you somethings

first of all
when you die, you reach into an area which everyone who has ever died visits

and in this area you know every thought every person ever had about you, and everyone knows everything you ever did, and every thought you ever had
I belive in that too

all, in all it's something I am looking forward to

[Beatle Kat]

I don't know if i've answered to the topic...Anyway, when we die, i believe that nothing happens.There's no life after death, at least such a thing hasn't been proven.If you don't believe in god how can you believe in life after death?you can't.Do i don't. :p

[gEo_tehaD_returns]

When you die, one of two things is going to happen to you.

1. You cease to exist, and your body rots underneath a headstone.

2. Your conciousness continues to exist in some form that we, as humans with limited understanding of the nature of the universe and existence, cannot understand, and we never will (until we die of course). Your body will still rot underneath a headstone.

[BlackGuardXIII]

When you die, one of two things is going to happen to you.

1. You cease to exist, and your body rots underneath a headstone.

2. Your conciousness continues to exist in some form that we, as humans with limited understanding of the nature of the universe and existence, cannot understand, and we never will (until we die of course). Your body will still rot underneath a headstone.
Pretty much sums it up for me.

I believe our souls continue on their journey, but I stress that this is a belief, since as you say, we cannot know till we snuff it. I hope that we don't just rot.
I would have guessed wrong then, and if not for the fact that I would cease to exist, would likely be embarrassed.

[campbell34]

i was just wondering what everyon'e views were on this subject. do you believe in heaven? do even non-christians believe in heaven? what about reincarnation? do you think we'll be reincarnated into a human to live another, completely different life, or perhaps into an animal? or do you think that nothing happens when we die, do we just lie in the ground or be burned, and does everything just end there?

and also, is this subject really important to you? are you worried? could you not give a damn?

i have to admit, this really is one subject that scares the shit out of me... not knowing what will happen after our last dreaded day on earth... i've kinda started to believe in reincarnation to live a life as a different human being... but maybe that's just what i want to believe so i don't get as scared lol.
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ,and thou shalt be saved. He who has the Son has life he who has not the Son will not see life.

[campbell34]

I think as long as i don't die at the hands of another ... i am going to be ok with dying ... touch wood i have at least another 50 years ... so i have hopefully have time to get used to the idea...and not piss off too many people so that people will miss me. I plan to give away as much of myself that is usable to any hospital that wants me (AKA i have a donor card).

I am in no way religouse i only talk about it when other people ask my opinions ...i just find the whole concept of religeon rather daft realy . Anyway i just think you break down into neutrons or protons and just make up something else...N.E.R.D .All that 'reincarnation' is far more intresting (to me) than self indulgent fantasies of coming back as part of the food chain .
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believed in Him would not perish but have everlasting life.

[duckandmiss]

I believe we go to a land of marshmallow