Making X- Distillation and Vaccumes

[Zelgaddis]

Post as a retarded kid years ago.

[Peace Attack]

This strikes me as shady...
but I hope you get the anwsers you need if you're coming from a pure place.

[localhippy]

sketch

[Zelgaddis]

Sketch?

[AceAzamean]

glass wont hold compression well. u need to rig up an envirnmental box with other materials. usually a fiberglass box, say an extra thick speaker box, and cover the wholes with clear fiberglass and then compress. Maybe rig up a compressor motor from a little compressor (but backwards so it pumps out).

safety first, make it like 1/4 inch thinck all around and seal with alot of cocking maybe.


or u could by one from the government.

[Zelgaddis]

Hmmm I dont understand what your saying? Do you have a sketch or picture? So I would be hooking up the box to the glassware and using a rubber like seal to keep compression? Sorry but I dont understand ANYTHING about vacumes. I understand the synthesis fine, and for me to extract the element for distillation I would be boiling off the element with the lower boiling point and then re condensing it into another flask. What would I do if I needed to extract an element from a compound but the elements in the compound had a lower boiling point than the element that I needed to extract? Sorry Im still really new to this, and yes I have enrolled in a College Organic Chemistry corse.

[EllisDTripp]

So for any of you chemists out there is there a way to rig up a simple vacume using glass ware?

Glassware? Not really. But you can usually get a usable vacuum from a cheap water aspirator. A salvaged compressor from a refrigerator or air conditioner also makes a pretty decent vacuum pump. Just remember to keep it full of oil to prevent burning it up!

Or is it possible to use factional distillation as a subsitute in the procedure?

In exactly what procedure? What are you trying to separate from what? Are you talking about the separation of safrole from essential oils, or the separation of MDP-2-P from your reaction mix? Or something else?

Typically, vacuum distillation is used when distillation at atmospheric pressure would require temperatures above the decomposition point of the substance being distilled. The higher the vacuum, the lower the boiling points become. Substances that decompose at or below their boiling point must be distilled under vacuum.

Also is there a way to synthesize Isosafrole?

Sure. Isomerize safrole using KOH or similar strong base....

Buying it arrosed alot of suspission from the chemical company that my friend went to.

No shit? :rolleyes:

(No im not buying any of the chemicals my self, each chemical is bought by a seperate person and is shiped to their house, Im the chemist here and Im trying not to connect myself to the chemical ordering as much as possible.)

Great, so exactly how many people do you have involved in this project? Every one of them is a bust waiting to happen, especially somebody stupid enough to try buying isosafrole without an airtight alibi! All it takes is ONE of them rolling over on you to get YOUR ass busted...

Let me know what you guys think

Ditch the glassware and chems, and keep a REALLY low profile for the next few years.

:)

[2cesarewild]

ROFL. Wow.

[StonerBill]

Sorry but I dont understand ANYTHING about vacumes.
chemists :rolleyes:


:p

[EllisDTripp]

Sorry but I dont understand ANYTHING about vacumes.

Including how to spell the word, apparently...:)

[gnrm23]

spel?
wurd!
dood...

[prankster1590]

You have to do some research.
You wanna attempt a MDMA synth but you dont know how to synthesize Isosafrole.
That is bad.
Search for a Rhodium mirror on the web. And do some research.

If you wanna distillate your Safrole oil try SteamDistillation.

[EllisDTripp]

If you wanna distillate your Safrole oil try SteamDistillation.

Steam distillation will work great for getting the essential oil out of sassafras root bark or other plant material, but if you want to separate the safrole from the other compounds in an essential oil, you are going to need fractional vacuum distillation.

[deadonceagain]

Zelgaddis if you live in the US you are so fucked

[prankster1590]

Steam distillation will work great for getting the essential oil out of sassafras root bark or other plant material, but if you want to separate the safrole from the other compounds in an essential oil, you are going to need fractional vacuum distillation.You are absolutely right. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif Sometimes I just write stuff without thinking lioke i'm in a hurry or something.
Sorry http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

[piperazine]

Also is there a way to synthesize Isosafrole? Buying it arrosed alot of suspission from the chemical company that my friend went to.(No im not buying any of the chemicals my self, each chemical is bought by a seperate person and is shiped to their house, Im the chemist here and Im trying not to connect myself to the chemical ordering as much as possible.)

ROFLAMO!!! You are SO screwed! And on top of those brilliant tactics, posting a yahoo email address on a public DRUG CHEMISTRY forum? You think Yahoo of all people won't hand your IP over to the authorities in a second?

Attempting to purchase isosafrole is the stupidest thing I have heard in years.

And I'm sure all your friends are bragging to their friends about knowing an "XTC COOK". I don't care if they are all your best friends, trust no one when you're trying to commit a class A or AA felony!

Im the chemist here
Not quite buddy, you're the kid that downloaded a synthesis off the internet and thinks he knows what he's doing. That has never heard of an aspirator.

I'm not trying to be a dick, listen to ellis. Ditch the chems and glass and keep a low profile for the next 20 years or so, if you're not being watched now the DEA is having an off day and you will be VERY soon.

Prison sucks.

[piperazine]

I know it will take quite a few trys to get this right but living in a rural area of Michigan with 10 Acres and quite a few places to store/work Im not worried.
Oh yeah, and posting your location is a very stupid move as well.

[kif]

If that kid is for real, and he actually does whip up his own special batch of half assed MDMA, he'll more than likely kill somebody with it.

[Weatherman]

I feel SO SO sorry for your anus man. Fake your death very soon.

[The Flow]

Whhhuuuuaaaahaaahaaahaaahaaa..., LOL, ROFL, ROFLABTC....

Haahaahaa, sorry, I´m almost crying, haahaahaa....

Hey kid, if it was so easy to make X or other interesting drugs, why don´t almost all the posters in this HipForums-section do it then?

Whhhuaaahaahaahaaaa....

If you really want to safe/make money, give up the drugs and look for a job, it wouldn´t be half that dangerous for you!

Haaahaaahaaahaaaaa...... ROFL....

But:
If you really manage to make some MDMA and you and your friends don´t become blind/impotent/paraplegic or worse after trying it, I promise you, I´ll buy your whole production for a really good prize!

Whhuuuaaaahuuuaaahaaahaaahaaa.... haven´t laughed so good for years...

[prankster1590]

Well for MDMA reasons to not making it.

1.Safrole oil is very expensive. So is MDP2P(PMK)
2.Glassware, heating mantels, mixers and other equipment is very expensive
3.Chemical are being watched and difficult to buy and very expensive
4.It is time consuming and very exact work
5.It is illegal and you risk going to jail

[ThE_BluE_ShoE]

What would I do if I needed to extract an element from a compound but the elements in the compound had a lower boiling point than the element that I needed to extract?
why not just evaporate those other elements by boiling the solution only to the point that the disposable elements evaporate into a flask and dispose of them. then you have only the element you want left, and you don't need to do any more distillation? assuming you have a pure sample.

[prankster1590]

Their are many recepies on the net.
Usually they extract with DCM and then two layers will form because they have different polarities. Like water and oil.
Some procedures just distillate and extract in the purification steps.
Just read the recepies and you will know what to do

[kestrelpens]

IS THIS GUY FOR REAL?
My question is this:
CAN A FRACTIONAL DISTILLATION BE DONE WITH SIMPLY ROOTBARK AND WATER UNDER A VACUUM, OR DO YOU FIRST HAVE TO DISTILL THE OIL, AND THEN FRACTIONALLY DISTILL OUT THE SAFROLE? HAS ANYONE EVER TRIED THIS METHOD? DOES THE OIL COME OVER AT THE SAME TEMP. OR DOES JUST THE SAFROLE COME OVER? I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTLY NECESSARRY TO DO IT UNDER VACUUM, BUT AM NOT TOO SURE? AND LASTLY, WOULD IT BE PREFERRED TO USE POWDERED ROOT BARK FOR MAXIMUM SURFACE AREA COVERAGE? YOUR EXPERTISE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

BEN dOVER.

[EllisDTripp]

You need to get the oil out of the bark first (think steam distillation), then fractionally distill the oil (after separating it from the condensate) under vacuum to get the safrole.

If you tried just vacuum distilling a mixture of water and plant matter, all the water would come over, leaving the goods behind.

[kestrelpens]

If you tried just vacuum distilling a mixture of water and plant matter, all the water would come over, leaving the goods behind.
Thanks. It's all becoming a little more clear, although not HALF AS CLEAR apparently as the kid who started this thread. Poor Fucker!


BEN dOVER.