Does anyone else see the rave movement resembling the hippie movement?

[charliec]

Im not one of those glowstick twirling candy ravers, but I do listen to techno and trance and have been to my fair share of raves...I have noticed that most of the kids that go to raves are there for a cause. the last rave I went to was Ultra Music Festival in downtown miami, there were 50,000 people there and it seemed like everyone was against operation iraqi freedom and a lot of the djs and artists also commented on the war as total bullshit. at this event a hell of a lot of people were doing marijuana and with all those 50,000 people in the park there was not one fight! that's more than you can say about woodstock 99? the big thing mtv threw that they had to shut down because everybody started fighting... what do you guys think? I see ravers as the hippies of the new generation...

[spacecadet]

I was introduced to acid through the rave scene. In Britain at least the rave scene adopted a lot from the hippy scene although the music wasn't rock. Goa Trance raves are the closest you'll get to a techno hippe movement IMO.

[dhARmaMiLlO]

I occasionaly drop into some Psychedelic Trance parties here in the UK. The scene is crawling with hippies!!

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[Fleassy]

Yea there is 2 london based raves i frequent that are trance and they are totally full of hippies, and open minded people. I fee la lot of the mainstream "raves" and clubs arent there for a meaning but there is certainly the underground genre of raves which have a purpus and are full of people who care to keep that purpous alive.

[God]

Ecstasy seems to have replaced acid, and although I've never tried it, I hear a lot of good things about it. Are there still raves in america? especially after our fascist government started cracking down on them?

[zerre]

I can't say anything about all the rave movement but goa scene is surely resembling the hippie movement. In fact goa was born among hippies and was created by some hippies who went to India in the begining of the 70's. Maybe you've heard of Goa Gil. He is in his late 50's I think. He spent most of the 70s with Sadu's in India. After a long time in the mountains he gained an official Sadu certificate from the Hindu government. And the following years he tried to find ways to gather and share his experiance with the new generation. In the late 80's when electronic music gained popularity, with some other "freaks" they tried to create a new music style. He explains this as "redifining the anchient tribal ritual for the 21th century" . If you listened Goa when you are high on LSD you know what I mean. At first they failed to get music industries attention but the community started growing in the 90s and sad but goa is leaving its place to psytrance now. These 2 genres sound like eachother but the philosophy is different. Goa is closely related to LSD and mystical experiences and is a true post hippie music. If you check the lyrics you'll see what I mean.
Goa rhytms are over 140 bpm (beat per minute). And this is a hypnotic speed. And genres name "trance" comes from here. Rhytms between 128-150BPM creates a state of trance when listened for a while. I'd like to point out that this is the usual BPM that shamans and medicineman use to enter trance. Add a little acid .. our the soup ready. Philosophy of goa and hippie movement is exactly the same and worth giving a try.

Live and let live ...



But I can't say that "peace love and happiness" is valid in all the rave movement.

And yes dhARmaMiLIO Shpongle is great ...

[DarkLunacy]

I suggest talking to Serra. She seems to be the forums local rave goddess :P
It seems to me the assosiation you guys are making is "Hippies take LSD, Ravers drop E." Don't you guys think that theres more to a movement or scene than drugs? I mean dont get me wrong, drugs are fabulous, but theres more to it isnt there? I think both share uncanny simmilarites. For example: Both are shunned by the media. Both had their mainstream surges making several meaningful things become cliche droll (Like the peace sign.) Both have high recognition with drug culture. Both have crazy radicals and annoying fakes and flakes. I think the main difference is that rave isn't exactly fighting for something... Or as far as I can tell.

[floopadelic]

From what I remember about the early days of 'rave' (acid house it was then) it was totally about hedonism and 'getting off your tits'. The only ethos was to have a good time, and do it again soon. Rave was much more like punk in that respect. Ecstasy was absolutely central to the experience, it was new in those days and the pills were top notch - legally manufactured in the US before the ban, and pretty expensive too.

The peeps at those early raves were usually soul / clubbing fans used to lager and speed, not a hippy in sight as I recall.

This changed in the 90s when house became mainstream and what the guys said about Goa trance is true, it's much more popular with old & young hippies than the more soul influenced housey stuff ever was.

But these days house, rave, whatever you call it is just another option on the entertainment menu. It stopped being anything remarkable about 1991. It came, it went, life goes on.

[zerre]

[QUOTE=DarkLunacy]"Hippies take LSD, Ravers drop E."

It is surely not "only" about the door handles of perception or drugs. But drugs play a lead roll in both rave and hippie movement. I belive that LSD' is the most importent sculptor of hippie movement. I don't mean the trigger of the movement. But it has a leading role on the hippie perspective. And when it comes to rave, if there was no extasy or amphetamines would there be raves? How can you dance for 2 or 3 days without sleeping? And don't forget that some of the electronic dance genres are for extasy tripsand for booting extasy. Yes there is good music there but its sculptor is MDMA.
And when it comes to Goa or Psytrance as you can see its called psychedelic trance. And psychedelic means "altered state of mind". What I mean is rave scene is closely related to mind alterers. You dont have to take drugs, its for sure. But there is a different dimention in this music which you can only catch by the use of these mind alterers or perception expanders. In the end, most of these people take drugs and when they are forming this culture drug becomes a part of the culture.
A final note; most of my hippie friends love LSD and hate MDMA and most of my raver friends love only MDMA.
If I sounded like "these would never be if there were no drugs" I'm sorry. Thats not what I mean.

Live and let live

[DarkLunacy]

Zerre I totally understand where your coming from. If I came across as "These substances ruined the scenes" then I appologize. These were vital tools in the shaping of the cultures, of that there is no doubt. What I'm trying to get at is that sometimes people tend to focus souly on these factors. You know... Raving is about taking MDMA and being a hippie is about dropping acid. Those can be parts of it for a person (and are for most people) but not the mandatem as some would like to lay claim to. I dont know if I'm making a bit of scence but all my point is, is that its more then drugs. Drugs are big parts but theres other big stuff in there as well.

[Dilapidated]

Yay! I'm glad someone else thinks that, the thought that they're similar has kind of crossed my mind before, what with the loving atmosphere of the whole scene and peace love unity and respect... hmm... and it's deeply rooted in music too...

[loverofthewoods]

meth destroyed the rave scene where i live a few years back...it sad cause it used to be so awesome, everyone was freinds, even if they'v never met...now the scene is completely different and full of negetivity.

[Alexandria]

Im not one of those glowstick twirling candy ravers, but I do listen to techno and trance and have been to my fair share of raves...I have noticed that most of the kids that go to raves are there for a cause. the last rave I went to was Ultra Music Festival in downtown miami, there were 50,000 people there and it seemed like everyone was against operation iraqi freedom and a lot of the djs and artists also commented on the war as total bullshit. at this event a hell of a lot of people were doing marijuana and with all those 50,000 people in the park there was not one fight! that's more than you can say about woodstock 99? the big thing mtv threw that they had to shut down because everybody started fighting... what do you guys think? I see ravers as the hippies of the new generation...
Hey, I am from Ft Lauderdale...I was at Ultra back in 2002.....fun time! I dont think though that woodstock '99 was in any way shape or form comparable to the origional woodstock that was about the movement and peace and love and music. No way, not when you have limp biscuit (cant stand him!) thrashing around on stage screaming that he wants to "break shit!". By 1999, the festival was about commercial music and about selling tickets and everything else at high prices. I dont even know why they still call it 'woodstock'. So in that sense, I dont see any sort of 'genre' representing a new movement. All those people that you saw at Ultra that were about having a good time and not "stepping on anyone else's toes" and those that were anti-war....those were hippies. Mabye they all didnt wear tye dye and have dreads but that isnt what the hippie movement is about. As long as there is an anti war, pro love, pro tolerance sort of people....the hippie movement is still alive and well.....whether they are wearing birks or candy necklaces :) IMO

[charliec]

wow im surprised I got such feed back. I didn't think I would get this many replies. well I guess a few of you guys are right, for some people it isn't about the music and the culture that is peaceful, and for some it is. let me just say though, it really pisses me off to hear when someone goes to a rave they go solely for the drugs... I can't stand it when I ask people (and my cousin being one them) "who did you come to see at this event?" and they can't name one act and then tell me they came for the goddamn drugs. that really pisses me off because it's these same people who represent the scene but they attend the scene for negative reasons. then you have news programs like 20/20 sneaking in hidden cameras in and undercover cops busting kids that are doing drugs and thats what america sees, thats what the world sees. 16 year olds with pupils the size of fucking quarters. So then there are the Politicians who say this needs to be stopped because these raves are drug parties and they have to be banned. and then that kind of screws it up for the people who are going there for the music. its a goddamn shame that a few bad apples have to ruin an entire culture. and im not saying not to do drugs either, im only saying to do them responsibly and be a little discreet. I guess the scene does have its hippies but let me tell you that the rave scene has a hell of a lot more junkies than anything else and in the next couple of years i think Americas ATTEMPT to have a rave scene will be buried.

[DarkLunacy]

I hear you man... A while back a lot of blow was going through our punk scene so they tried banning that and so instead of having punk shows we had "Mainstream Alternative Cultured Listening" They eventually just gave up and the blow dyed out... Its fucked up... A lot junkies are homeless people too... so... AREST THE HOMELESS!

[MichaelByrd1967]

I can't understand techno and trance music. Maybe if they had a rock rave or something, but not any of that fighting stuff. I mean just some peaceful music, maybe there would be more people into it.

[Kosmic_Klown]

When is the last the "rave movement" had a learn-in, protest, sit-in, or any of the other ins. Never that's when. True people who attend raves may also go to these functions but to compare this movement to the hippie movement almost seems like blasphamy. A rave is a type of party not a movement just you do acid at it doesn't make it any more than what it is. That's like saying there is a kegger movement somewhere.

[loverofthewoods]

When is the last the "rave movement" had a learn-in, protest, sit-in, or any of the other ins. Never that's when. True people who attend raves may also go to these functions but to compare this movement to the hippie movement almost seems like blasphamy. A rave is a type of party not a movement just you do acid at it doesn't make it any more than what it is. That's like saying there is a kegger movement somewhere.
there was alot more to the hippy movement than protesting

[Micro]

Reminds me more of the disco movement (dancing, drugs, light and beat).

[Republican]

meth destroyed the rave scene where i live a few years back...it sad cause it used to be so awesome, everyone was freinds, even if they'v never met...now the scene is completely different and full of negetivity.drugs ruined the hippie movement too... but it was a bad movement to begin with.. but i do respect the hippie's demanding of peace.. if everyone was like this than it would work but no one else is.. Islomo-facists (terrorists) only want to kill... so much so that they have posibly ruined a good religion with their lies and evilness.. the reve scean was never for me because it was way too drug influenced...

the rave scean was like it but with no real cause.. i do see a resemblence tho..

[spacecadet]

When I was in the rave scene it was exclusively acid. The rave scene collapsed when the music started to get dark and intense, which eventually ended up as Drum and Bass. Dark and intense never went well with acid though and that was that. :rolleyes:

[Autentique]

I think the raver scene can be like the hippie scene in some aspects. Mainly the open mindness, and tolerance. And really the peaceful enviroment that you are in when you are in a rave, I´ve been too many, and there has never been any kind of violence or anything. So everybody is respectful of others, accepting each others differences, welcoming everybody. It has lots of the hippie ideals... the things is that ravers only get together to rave.. you know to have fun, and party. And hippies did a lot more than that.

But many ravers do care about many causes and support them, and you know play a part. I think the difference is that hippies wanted to change the world and ravers just want to live in their own world.

[sprout]

I never went to alot of parties but I have many friends who came up with the peak of the rave thing and from what I've seen and what they tell me the rave scene appears to be dying. The MDMA becoming DXM or god knows what else has probably contributed to this, as well as the heavy Meth explosion. Last time I was there this little froggy bastard got all pissy with me, thinking I was someone else (I guess) and tried to pick a fight with me. This guy was obviously geeked and had been up for a few days so being the good guy that I am I didn't beat his ass for grabbing on my shirt and getting all in my face and shit! Anyway....my friends tell me that something like a fight was once UNHEARD of and were very upset and shocked by it.

[Hugo Drax]

Raves in the real early 90's were really cool but they seem to be more commercial and less intimate.

[seamonster66]

I'm not sure what 15 year old girls wearing makeup and fairy wings really has to do with the hippy movement of the 1960's. The whole rave scene is more materialistic and style concious than guys with long beards and hair wearing tattered clothing...the designer drugs seem to play into that materialistic scene....you've got to have a certain amount of disposeable income to a..get into a rave these days and b...to get high....


Around here i see the "noise" scene as being a more hippyish yet modern scene...industrial sounds and artsy people tripping out to it.


the rave scen is more like an extension of the disco scen e of the late 70's

[Sunnie]

I just got back from Motion Notion. An open air, 3 day camp out rave festival out in the middle of nowhere in this beautiful valley situated right next to a river.

I would definetly classify my weekend at Motion Notion as quite the hippie fest. It's a completely different crowd of people then the club scene. It was awesome. I can't wait to go again next year.

[cerridwen]

I loved going to raves in highschool.. and yes, I was of those twirly-glow-stick-candy-ravers, sad to say... but I really didn't do a wholle lot of acid (maybe twice, both times in very small doses) ... I totally understand that ravers are the new hippys... trends recycle themselves in to marvelous ways...

Ravers are much fun, colourful people, friendly and open and huggy and willing to share and love each other and others... how much more hippie does it get?

[HippieFlowerGirl67]

Very much so

[MaccaByrd]

Not really. Except in the sense that every movement resembles the hippie movement. Perhaps this more than others, but not in particular.

[*kushbaby*]

Ecstasy seems to have replaced acid, and although I've never tried it, I hear a lot of good things about it. Are there still raves in america? especially after our fascist government started cracking down on them?

ecstasy could never replace acid they're not even in the same ball park. mdma is amazing and can change your life just like acid. but it's not even close to the same.