Why do Rastafarians hate whites and Catholics?

[Jozak]

I have always wondered this, any reason?

[Terrapin Flyer]

well, check out the book revelation in the bible. somwhere in there John speaks of the dragon and the serpent making war with the lamb. if you look at the events that happened with Haile I Sellasie I in the 40's you'll understand. The Pope(the dragon) blessed the troops of Mussolini(the serpent) Mussolini went to Ethipoia and raged war on Haile I Sellasie I(the lamb). theres really alot more to it. just look at all the catholic church has done. if you wanna know more send me a PM. lovin' you.


~shine on in love and light~
Sundance

[StonerBill]

hang on your not saying you believe that the revelations were referring to that actual incident are you?

[daisys]

Blessed Bredren.



Firstly, it is not Rastafarian.. there are no isms, skims about this, how many time does it need to be said? Rastafari is not a "religion" it is a faith, a way of life. Sight?



I&I propose to you a question: why do you ask this question?



I&I thinks yu a stereotyping Rastafari here because lots of Rastarfari have their own opinions on such things.



I am Rastafari. I am white. I have Rastafari friends - they hold nothing against for being white. There is a great Inity between us. Some Rastafari are still angry and upset about our ancestors stealing them from their homeland. The promised land. Africa. I&I also think because of the racist abuse in todays Babylon it obviously is going to cause conflict but with this they have every right to be upset. We can only pray for Jah to heal their pain and teach them forgiveness.

Jah teaches dat Rastafari is Iniversal - this means it is for everyone and anyone. Jah did not restrict it to a particular race, because man made the word “race” and it’s meaning, man made racism, not Jah.

Haile Selassie I said "The colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of their eyes." and it is so true.



As for the Catholic thing. Some Rastafari believe similar things - for instance some Rastafari believe in the Ible like the Catholics do.

Rastafari is a peaceful faith and I&I believe that their should be great spiritual kinsmenship between a Rasta and anyone. For with Jah light I feel it impossible to withhold my love for everyone.



After all, Haile Selassie I was a Christian himself. So why would we have anything against the Catholic Christians? Sure we have our disputes but that is not Hatred!



Remember: One love. One heart.



I hope this helped in some way.

Jah Bless you.



Daisys x

[drumminmama]

Halie Sallassie, ras Tafari, did not think he was a diety, either.

Ethiopian emporers before colonization also used Lion of Judah in their overblown titles.

Jozack, do you have any proof of your allegations? or are you being hateful?

[hess]

well iman must start with a teaching that a blessed bredren taught i

Each Rasta has his own path to trod seen? but it all leads to one place, to Jah, know that each Rasta has different feelings.

There are many reasons why some Rastas dislike white people, the strong point being that there has been so much downpressing from white people.

Iman ask, where you sit to day? yesI, in Babylon shitstem!
And where do so many Rastas sit? in Babylons shitstem.

Now where do each of these people belong? the White man in Europe? the Black Africans in there homeland? but then why deny the Black Man his rightful place? because white people STOLE human beings! and yesI, iman sight that there was African downpressors too, stealing black people to sell. which is why the Nyabinghi Chant "Death to black and white oppressors!" ALL OPPRESSORS!.

also there are other reasons other than the unfortunate beggining of the white and black mans relationship.

What about the Klu Klux Klan? thousands of white men chasing and hunting down black people to kill! tell I, how would you feel towards black people if thousands of them went on a mad rampage claiming that white people all deserve to die, calling yuh scum, and this and that?

And then yuh look at current afairs in the world, now that segregation is still present, still a white man is favoured over a black man JUST BECAUSE THE COLOUR OF HIS SKIN! (and yesI, iman also know that in sum cases black people are favoured over white, both cases MUST BE STOPPED!)

and iman must say "once bitten, twice shy" many black people find it hard to trust white people, though Iman pray and pray to JahJah, InI's creator, the most high, to help all and all realise equality.

and also, about Catholics, iman nah know too much about this part, but iman can say, them Catholics sit down all rightous, make them rules, but iman nah see them loving Jah, yuh know, in Henry the 8th time or so, (before he set up the church of England) them Catholics said yuh could BUY your way into heaven, to God. iman ask, does this show a good side to Catholics? them a sit there, telling people what to do, but not listening to there own words.

well iman hope i helped yuh overstand a little bit more :)

Blessings

[Stalkz]

It's understandable that rastafari would find it hard to trust white people, it's nature to distrust people who keep doing things to you, but what people need to realize is that it's not a RACE of people that's doing this to you. It's a GROUP of people that's doing this to you. Having a skin color in common does not mean you also have thoughts in common. In any way shape or form. The skin color of someone binds him in absolutely no way whatsoever to the mind of someone with the same skin color. It gives him no relation at all other than shade of skin.

That's what the idea of skin color being no more important than eye color means. Just because a group of people with brown eyes steal something from you doesn't mean that everyone with brown eyes wants to steal from you too. The same way just because a group of people with white skin steals you from your land doesn't mean everyone with white skin wants to do the same.


Also: I'd like to add that, I'm not Rasta, but I do share several beliefs.

[Jozak]

Jozack, do you have any proof of your allegations? or are you being hateful?How was ANYTHING in my post hateful? It was a simple question but thanks for not stating anything relavent to it.

BTW everyone else, thank you for responding, I appreciate it.:)

[Levi]

Yes, it has to do with what someone mentioned about the pope blessing Mussolini to fight Sellassie I.


It also has to do with the reasoning that there should not be an earthly intermediary that people have to please to please God. The Pope is a man, appointed by men. Look at him, he is sickly and weak, but they still make him perform these duties. The position of the Pope was invented and now he alone supposedly can speak with God. Read your bible. Where is this pope? It's an invention of men to control people with fear.

The Catholic Church has a long history of controlling people with violence and fear.

[backtothelab]

because white people STOLE human beings! and yesI, iman sight that there was African downpressors too, stealing black people to sell. which is why the Nyabinghi Chant "Death to black and white oppressors!"
To bad there are'nt a few more black people that can admit that.


I read somewhere, that there was an african prince who was very smart. Always reading and stuff. Well, when he became king, he set up schools and such to teach people how to learn other lanuages and read, so they could become civilized. Well, he hired a bunch of monks from spain to come teach, but turns out that when they realized that the africans were so guillible, they started paying other tribes to capture them. And apearently this started the whole thing.

[Jozak]

Yes, it has to do with what someone mentioned about the pope blessing Mussolini to fight Sellassie I.


It also has to do with the reasoning that there should not be an earthly intermediary that people have to please to please God. The Pope is a man, appointed by men. Look at him, he is sickly and weak, but they still make him perform these duties. The position of the Pope was invented and now he alone supposedly can speak with God. Read your bible. Where is this pope? It's an invention of men to control people with fear.

The Catholic Church has a long history of controlling people with violence and fear.
The first pope was the apostole Peter (If you are Catholic and beleive so), thus, the belief of apostolic succession of the papcy gives the pope those powers. It was Christ who first did this, NOT man himself.

Are you seriously going to rag on the pope for being 80 somthing and in poor health? Come on. He wasn't always that way, you know.

[Levi]

No, I'm not ragging on the pope for being in ill health. I think that if Catholics love him they should have some compassion and let the poor man retire. It's cruel.

[Jozak]

No, I'm not ragging on the pope for being in ill health. I think that if Catholics love him they should have some compassion and let the poor man retire. It's cruel.
No one is forcing him not to retire, in fact many Catholics want him to. He won't. Popes traditionally do not retire, and this is a very, very conservative pope and probably won't if someone were to try to make him.

[MellowPsychedelia]

Rastas don't hate whites.
And Catholics have been fucking with the bible and twisting true religous things to benifit fit them, they don't like catholics because that establishment is evil... narcs

Peace

[Musikero]

I have always wondered this, any reason?
How about me? I may be Catholic, but I'm Asian. Does this mean I'm hated too?

[Disarm]

I'm white and i have dreadlocks :( It's not the rastafari that are mean about it, they're yummy and nice, but everyone else, cause they think I'm trying to be one. Rastafarians are more likely to congratulate me and start talking about what product I use! I only know a few rastafarians but they're the nicest, least racist/sexist/xenophobic/anti-catholic people I know.

[Jozak]

Rastas don't hate whites.
And Catholics have been fucking with the bible and twisting true religous things to benifit fit them, they don't like catholics because that establishment is evil... narcs

Peace
Try me :H

[Jozak]

How about me? I may be Catholic, but I'm Asian. Does this mean I'm hated too?
Yes, lol unfortuently it's a double whammy for you. One of my best friends Shaun is half philipino and is Catholic as well. ;)

[Musikero]

But...sniff...but...sniff, sob...I love Bob Marley. And weed. (wipes a tear) Doesn't that count for something?

[Sera Michele]

Well I don't know much about rastafari, but I do know that the catholic church is more like an enterprise, or business (and it especially was during the time the roman catholics were spreading the religion, around the time of constantine up until protestants left europe because of persecution) and rastafarians denounce any babylonian structure like that.

please correct me if I have misrepresented anything here.

[Jozak]

Business?

[Sera Michele]

yes, business...like charging people money for forgiveness....things such as that.

[Jozak]

Those were indulgences, a temporary practice in the middle ages. The were done away with at the Council of Trent in 1546.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Catholics have combined ancient Babylonian paganism. Any emeny of the Rastafari and zion. They distorted the true wisdom of the bible for their own sickening benefits through monetary schemes. They continued the idea of a Pontifex Maximus(or babylonian high priest of the mystery religion) which was resurrected when the ego-maniac Julius Caesar became Emporer of Rome. It is truly disguisting how generations of good people have been deceived like this. Ever wonder where the Cardinals or Pope get their outfitts from? Ancient Babylonian Attire that drew the attention of the first corrupters of the Old Testament. Combining Physical and political power, with religion and spiritual advancement is the downfall of civilization. Too bad now its all gone underground.

[Jozak]

Catholics have combined ancient Babylonian paganism. Any emeny of the Rastafari and zion.
That is not true.


They distorted the true wisdom of the bible for their own sickening benefits through monetary schemes.
Such as what? There were moments of corruption within the church, it is not perfect, it is run by man, but not evil as you make it out to be.


They continued the idea of a Pontifex Maximus(or babylonian high priest of the mystery religion) which was resurrected when the ego-maniac Julius Caesar became Emporer of Rome.
How does Julius Caesar have anything to do with the Catholic Church?

It is truly disguisting how generations of good people have been deceived like this.
Yeah, I feel bad for you.


Ever wonder where the Cardinals or Pope get their outfitts from? Ancient Babylonian Attire that drew the attention of the first corrupters of the Old Testament. Combining Physical and political power, with religion and spiritual advancement is the downfall of civilization. Too bad now its all gone underground.
Cardinals and the Pope do not dress like the Babylonians did. The Babylonians were gone by the time the Catholic Church/Christianity came about. You could compare any flowing robe to any culture you want to, so your arguement does not hold much water.

[prophet7]

I have always wondered this, any reason?Who says that Rasta "hate" Catholics and whites ??
Were is it written in I and I doctrines that I and I hate whites and Catholics !?

Rasta do not deal with hate or any form of negativeness. What I and I do not like is the abusement of Jah words by Catholics. What abusement ? There are many.....e.g. take a look at your all Pope. He eats out of gold plates with gold spoons and forks whilst millions of children are suffering and dying !!
He drives aroud in a bullet proof car (that costs who knows how much ?) and claims to be a man of God. Well if he is a man of God what is he afraid of ??
Jesus himself walked this earth amongst his enemies with no protection but, His Father, at all !
Did not Jesus tell us to leave all riches/luxury behind and follow Him ??
There are many more examples I can give you to show that God words are being abused by most (not all) Catholics but, I am not here to point fingers. This was just an example.
Another thing is, I and I do not "hate" whites. I and I do not like the mindset of some of them (especially the rascists and opressers) ! Not the individual himself but, the negative thinking. Just like you are now saying that Rasta hate this and that ! Do you know any Rasta that you can claim something like that ?? And I am not talking about those that call themselves Rasta and are not. I am talking about REAL RASTA ! Do you know any ??
So u really need to get that straight ! Your words are judging Rasta and in the wrong way too ! Does not GOD say leave all judgement unto HIM ??
You seem to read your Bible but, not follow it and that is another mistake that Catholics make.
Hate is devilism and Rasta nah deal with it !! Rasta nah deal with any form of negativeness - we fight against it.

One Love
Prophet7

[Jozak]

Who says that Rasta "hate" Catholics and whites ??
Were is it written in I and I doctrines that I and I hate whites and Catholics !?Speaking with many people on the forum here have told me that Rastas do not like the Catholic Church or white people, I am not saying this is offical doctrine, that is why I asked the question: I should have phrased it better.

Rasta do not deal with hate or any form of negativeness. What I and I do not like is the abusement of Jah words by Catholics. You just contradicted yourself.

What abusement ? There are many.....e.g. take a look at your all Pope. He eats out of gold plates with gold spoons and forks whilst millions of children are suffering and dying !!That is the biggest load of bull shit I have heard yet. GOLD SPOONS AND FORKS???? You have evidence for that? Secondly, The Catholic Church is argueably the biggest charity donor in the world. We have people all over the world--we have people in Latin America, India, Africa, Asia, everywhere--Catholics like myself go there to do mission work, we collect money for different causes, and our priests and nuns go into the mission fields. I have done mission work in Mexico myself. We dont see any Rastafarians going around the world helping out humanity now do we?

He drives aroud in a bullet proof car (that costs who knows how much ?) and claims to be a man of God. Well if he is a man of God what is he afraid of ??
Jesus himself walked this earth amongst his enemies with no protection but, His Father, at all !Your thoughts make no sense. The Pope is NOT God, nor has he ever claimed to be. He is a regualr man like you and I who is a very holy and good man, that has done a lot for humanity, and he is the head of the Church of Rome. He rides in a bullet proof car because HE HAS BEEN SHOT AT BY MUSILIM TERRORISTS AND WAS ALMOST ASSASINATED. Your bitching that he has protection??? HE CANT WALK AROUND LIKE JESUS, HE IS NOT JESUS. This is nonsense.

Did not Jesus tell us to leave all riches/luxury behind and follow Him ??
There are many more examples I can give you to show that God words are being abused by most (not all) Catholics but, I am not here to point fingers. This was just an example.Your example was either blatent Discrimination or stupidity, take your pick. A 3 year old could have refuted those arguements as well.


Another thing is, I and I do not "hate" whites. I and I do not like the mindset of some of them (especially the rascists and opressers) ! Not the individual himself but, the negative thinking. Just like you are now saying that Rasta hate this and that ! Do you know any Rasta that you can claim something like that ?? And I am not talking about those that call themselves Rasta and are not. I am talking about REAL RASTA ! Do you know any ??
So u really need to get that straight ! Your words are judging Rasta and in the wrong way too ! Does not GOD say leave all judgement unto HIM ??
You seem to read your Bible but, not follow it and that is another mistake that Catholics make.You sir are the bigot whose discrimination is so blatent it's sickening. You bitch that the Pope rides around with protection after he has been SHOT AT BY TERRORISTS!!! You bitch the Catholic Church is some luxurious palace of wealth, I got a news flash, IT ISN'T!

[prophet7]

[QUOTE=Jozak]Speaking with many people on the forum here have told me that Rastas do not like the Catholic Church or white people, I am not saying this is offical doctrine, that is why I asked the question: I should have phrased it better.

Yes u should have.

You just contradicted yourself.

Could be.....Let I put it simple for u to overstand - I and I do not deal with hate for certain people/races/individuals but, for their ways of thinking/acting. Overstand it now ?

That is the biggest load of bull shit I have heard yet. GOLD SPOONS AND FORKS???? You have evidence for that? Secondly, The Catholic Church is argueably the biggest charity donor in the world. We have people all over the world--we have people in Latin America, India, Africa, Asia, everywhere--Catholics like myself go there to do mission work, we collect money for different causes, and our priests and nuns go into the mission fields. I have done mission work in Mexico myself. We dont see any Rastafarians going around the world helping out humanity now do we?

Yes I do have evidence of this on a documentary tape of the Pope and where he lives ! The Catholic Church only donates to its own Churches/Missions. That money never ever reaches the poor ! Besides u all are part of the cause that has braught these people into the situation they are in ! How did you all come to Africa/Mexico/etc.,etc., ? With a gun in one hand and a bible in the other !

U do not see no Rasta helping humanity ? Open your eyes then ! I and I are here setting the mess u all caused straight, by telling the children the truth !

Your thoughts make no sense. The Pope is NOT God, nor has he ever claimed to be. He is a regualr man like you and I who is a very holy and good man, that has done a lot for humanity, and he is the head of the Church of Rome. He rides in a bullet proof car because HE HAS BEEN SHOT AT BY MUSILIM TERRORISTS AND WAS ALMOST ASSASINATED. Your bitching that he has protection??? HE CANT WALK AROUND LIKE JESUS, HE IS NOT JESUS. This is nonsense.

The Pope claims to be a man of GOD ! Can't you read what I wrote !?
And so what if he has been shot ? Is his faith in God not strong enough that he now needs man-made things for protection !? Who does he worship ? GOD or man ? Who does he trust in ? GOD or man ? You all are hypocrites ! "God this" "God that" and then you run to man for help ? "God is my shield and protection" - is that not in the Bible ? Probably not in yours since man is ur all "shield and protection." You all have action without faith, and faith without action, and that, like Jesus said, is no faith, is no action, just blablabla....!

Your example was either blatent Discrimination or stupidity, take your pick. A 3 year old could have refuted those arguements as well.


You sir are the bigot whose discrimination is so blatent it's sickening. You bitch that the Pope rides around with protection after he has been SHOT AT BY TERRORISTS!!! You bitch the Catholic Church is some luxurious palace of wealth, I got a news flash, IT ISN'T!

This is the typical reaction of Catholics when you hit them with the truth of their ownselves ! They fail to see their own mistakes because they are too busy pointing fingers ! "Humble yourselves" - is that not written in the Bible ? You see, you all speak out words you do not even follow ! That is hypocrisy !
Bitch ? Are u allowed to use words like that ? According to the Bible - NO ! Shows what a hypocrite you are....

One Love
prophet7

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Jozak im sorry I should've went more in depth on those examples my fault. The Ancient Babylonian mystery religion worshipped the mother/son, in the form of King Nimrod (the builder of the babylon and began the tower of babel even in the bible). Nimrod died and was thought to be reincarnated as his son. Therefore the worship of the mother/son, aka mary/jesus. Is taken from Babylonian mythologies and may have coincided with real events and may not. Plus many holidays are from Babylonian/Sumerian in origin as well.

The pontifex maximus was a title that Julius Caesar resurrected from Ancient Babylon, meaning High Priest of the Mystery Babylonian Occult Knowledge. The title was later on given to Pope Pious. Its been there ever since. In the Catholic Church. Which would make them Pope of Christianity but also High Priest of the Babylonian Mystery Practices. That is just left for the high and mighty to know.

Third about the Robe I did not specifically mean the Robes alone, but more the Conical Hats that you see, the same type of hats seen by Pharoahs of Egypt, and the god Osiris is seen with one, also there have been comparisons of the Babylonian King Nimrod, to the Egyptian god Osiris. I don't think there is a connection however its possible. Its known to some that the occult knowledge of the ages began in Babylon, then travelled to Egypt where they began teaching anyone who wanted to learn this occult mysteries. Eventually the Greeks learned of it, passed it to Rome, then it blew up. The mysteries were learned by many cultures and even secret societies were built to protect it. To prevent another NIMROD from gaining it.

[FreakyJoeMan]

I hate whites and catholics, and I'm not rasta.

(Hint: Sarcasm)

In any case, all of ya'll hate queers, so there's somethin fer you to agree on.

[Jozak]

Could be.....Let I put it simple for u to overstand - I and I do not deal with hate for certain people/races/individuals but, for their ways of thinking/acting. Overstand it now ? You are agreeing with your contradiction. You do hate the Catholic Church and Catholics, so stop beating around the bush. Your lies prove you are a bigot.


Yes I do have evidence of this on a documentary tape of the Pope and where he lives ! Most of what the Pope has a luxory were gifts given to him, probably very old ones as well our church is over 1600 years old. And this tape, does it have a name, do you have a site? You saying it's true with no proof means nothing.

The Catholic Church only donates to its own Churches/Missions. That money never ever reaches the poor ! WHAT DO YOU THINK MISSIONS DO? How inept are you? Like I said before, we have people in Latin America, India, Africa, Asia, everywhere--Catholics like myself go there to do mission work, we collect money for different causes, and our priests and nuns go into the mission fields. I have done mission work in Mexico myself.


Besides u all are part of the cause that has braught these people into the situation they are in ! How did you all come to Africa/Mexico/etc.,etc., ? With a gun in one hand and a bible in the other ! The only Spanish that stuck up for the Native Americans were the Catholic priests, numbskull. It was Cortes and the King's Army who killed them, not the priests. You are out of your mind.

U do not see no Rasta helping humanity ? Open your eyes then ! I and I are here setting the mess u all caused straight, by telling the children the truth !Truth? You don't have one clue about the truth. You are an unintelligent poser and you are not impressing anyone. You're a shameless liar. YOu are not fixing shit my friend, the people the Spanish hurt are long dead and you are sitting their trying to spread the, "Truth"---you and your Rastafarianism or whatever BS it is will never compare to the things Catholic Priests and Nuns like Padre Pio and Mother Teresa did for humanity. You make me sick.


The Pope claims to be a man of GOD ! Can't you read what I wrote !?
And so what if he has been shot ? Is his faith in God not strong enough that he now needs man-made things for protection !? Who does he worship ? GOD or man ? Who does he trust in ? GOD or man ? You all are hypocrites ! You are a fucking idiot. If you get punched in the face, would you sit there and let a person beat the hell out of you or your family?

God has allowed man to develop things to help out our lives, INCLUDING BULLET PROOF JACKETS AND GLASS. SO WHAT IF HE WAS SHOT?

WOULD YOU JUMP OFF A CLIFF AND SAY, "OH GOD WILL PROTECT ME"!?? Think about it.


This is the typical reaction of Catholics when you hit them with the truth of their ownselves ! They fail to see their own mistakes because they are too busy pointing fingers ! "Humble yourselves" - is that not written in the Bible ? You see, you all speak out words you do not even follow ! That is hypocrisy !
Bitch ? Are u allowed to use words like that ? According to the Bible - NO ! Shows what a hypocrite you are

This is the typical reaction from me when I come accross braindead morons. I can use whatever words I damn well please. I am not taking the Lord's name in vain, and by the way, I would love to know what Bible you use. I mean, if you could have at least put up some decent arguements---this is just pitiful. A 3 year old has better arguements than you, you are a complete joke and so is your, "way of life". I hope Rastas for the most part don't have the intelligence you do, no wonder your way of life is a pitiful minority.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Jozak you sound like the bigot. The Catholic Church is everything Christianity shouldn't be. Its all dogma and ritual. I visited a catholic church mass and the priest was telling jokes, it is a joke. The pope, is bullshit who gave him authority? Oh it was the Romans! WHO PERSECUTED THE TRUE CHRISTIANS THEN LEARNED THEY COULD RIVAL MONARCHY THEY TURNED THOSE BELIEFS INTO A SICKENING MIXTURE OF LIES. However that doesn't disgard the good souls like Mother Theresa and the missionaries in Africa. Its just the person son, but like Prophet 7 recited from Bob Marley. IM SICK AND TIRED OF THE ISM SCHISM. Ras Tafari is the true religion of the human people.


Put aside all the Ancient Noah's ark descendants through Ham, Nimrod the building of the Tower of Babel the unification of the cities of the fertile crescent, one world empire, god destroying the tower and confusing the languages of man. Jump ahead to a more believable time period. That of the reign of King Solomon. He united all the Hebrew tribes into one nation, at this time they practiced an uncorrupted form of Judaism. The Queen of Sheeba which was from Ethiopia visited his kingdom and great temple. She was overwhelmed by its power and they togethor had a son. Solomon gave him his knowledge of pure uncorrupted judaism. Mixing this with local beliefs was a pre-cursor to the religion of Ras Tafari. Even before Christ was born, true religion while corrupted in the middle east through the seperation of the jewish kingdom maintained its truth in Ethiopia. Eventually comes Haille Selassie and he is supposedly the descendant of this QUeen of SHeeba and King Solomon. Plus the catholic idea of the sacrament! WHERE THE FUCK DOES THAT COME FROM? I believe it is Ganja which was either the true sacrament of the JEWS or became involved when it moved to Africa via tribal shamanism. Whatever the cause it makes so much more sense than anything else. Your a fool catholic sheep bringing hate on to Prophet 7. ALL I say is maintain the holy spirit and JAH means the holy spirit.
Plus im not even African Im Italian American so just read the right material.

[Jozak]

Jozak you sound like the bigot. \

I am not the one spreading lies about another's religion.


The Catholic Church is everything Christianity shouldn't be. Its all dogma and ritual.
Maybe if you studied the rituals and dogmas you would know why we do them. We get our teachings from 1) Tradition of the Apostoles and the Early Church fathers like Oirgen, Clement of Alexandra, Augustine of Hippo, etc. and 2) The bible

I visited a catholic church mass and the priest was telling jokes, it is a joke.
Sometimes at the end of a homoly or at the begginning the priest will be humorous, or so what if the homoly was a humurous one with a message? What's your problem? You are going to base your entire opinion of somthing on one homoly/sermon you heard? That's real intelligent.

The pope, is bullshit who gave him authority? Oh it was the Romans!
WHO PERSECUTED THE TRUE CHRISTIANS THEN LEARNED THEY COULD RIVAL MONARCHY THEY TURNED THOSE BELIEFS INTO A SICKENING MIXTURE OF LIES.
Not only do you not know anything about Catholicism, you don't know history real well either. Rome, when it was pagan, persecuted Christians for years until it was gradually accepted and then eventually adopted by Constantine as the legal religion. By that time, Constantine was building a new capitol at Byzantium becasue "barbarians" were on the verge of sacking Rome. Christianity and the Early Church had bishops in the major cities, including Antioch, Rome, Alexandria, Hippo, and other cities. Aside from the fact that Christ told St. Peter, the first Pope, "You are the Rock on which I will build my Church" (That is where we get the Papacy from), The Bishop of Rome eventually became the authoratative city on Christian matters, and the most important. The Papacy grew in power and influence in Rome, and thus solidifying the authority of the Bishop of Rome, aka the Pope. Another reason is becasue leaders in Western Europe began to seek out Rome when questioning of weather converting to Christianity. This is a broad overview obviously, since their is a lot more detail involved.


Plus the catholic idea of the sacrament! WHERE THE FUCK DOES THAT COME FROM? I believe it is Ganja which was either the true sacrament of the JEWS or became involved when it moved to Africa via tribal shamanism.
The idea of the Sacrament comes from Christ himself, when he said, "Take this bread and eat of it, this is my body which will be given up for you" in the Gospels. GANJA? WEED? I mean, I smoke weed, but it certainly was not used in Judiasm. I don't doubt that Christ probably did smoke weed, he hung out with all sorts of people. The Jews NEVER HAD A SACRAMENT like communion. Passover and such, which was bread, not ganja, but that is not considered a sacrament, it's a holiday and celebration of the Jews Exodus from Egypt.

Your a fool catholic sheep bringing hate on to Prophet 7. ALL I say is maintain the holy spirit and JAH means the holy spirit.
Plus im not even African Im Italian American so just read the right material.
I could care less what you are, and I am no fool, I just know my histroy and can back it up. Prophet7 knows absolutley nothing about the Catholic Church and he brings in his bigoted remarks about it that are false, and pathetic arguements. Either back up your statements, or keep your mouth shut and don't spout out mindless garbage, or someone will call you on it. I don't know everything about Rasta way of life, and I am not going to sit here and make up things about it. I started the thread to further understand why Rastas don't like Catholics or The Church, but with these arguements that whole fact remains a mystery to me.

[erowid]

Maybe if you studied the rituals and dogmas you would know why we do them. We get our teachings from 1) Tradition of the Apostoles and the Early Church fathers like Oirgen, Clement of Alexandra, Augustine of Hippo, etc. and 2) The bible You need not necessarily know the root of the cause to see and understand the effect. I could go around town molotov cocktailing churches and lord knows I could come up with a justifiable and deep rooted cause for my behavior, but more important is that I simply understand the effect so I just don't do it. It's not that rastafarians hate it's ideals exactly, its more the way many interpret and act on those ideals, which is all those action made in an intrusive and arrogent manor, such as the call for people to shop at only stores holding true to the marry christmas, which say basically let's screw those who pay respects to the non-christian minority and christian majority equally. That's the kind of stuff that pisses me off, things like that which hold any man over another.

Don't get me wrong though, I certainly don't hate christians, many channel there faithful energies well, and I would commend them for it. I just hate christianity as a whole.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Jozak the point I was trying to make is that "When Rome conquered the world, the paganism that had spread from Babylon and developed in various nations, was merged into the religious system of Rome. This included the idea of a Supreme Pontiff (Pontifex Maximus). Thus, Babylonian paganism, which had originally been carried out under the rulership of Nimrod, was united under the rulership of one man at Rome: Julius Caesar. It was the year 63 B.C.E. that Julius Caesar was officially recognized as the "Pontifex Maximus" of the mystery religion. AKA THE RELIGION OF BABYLON, BABYLON IS THE ENEMY OF ZION AND OF THE RASTA.

"The Roman emperors (including Constantine) continued to hold the office of Pontifex Maximus until 376 when Gratian, for Christian reasons, refused it. He recognized this title and office as idolatrous and blasphemous. By this time, however, the bishop of Rome had arisen to political power and prestige. Consequently, in 378, Demasus, bishop of Rome, was elected to the Pontifex Maximus—the official high priest of the mysteries! Since Rome was considered the most important city in the world, some of the Christians looked to the bishop of Rome as "bishop of bishops" and head of the church. This produced a unique situation. One man was now looked to as head by both Christians and pagans. By this time, and through the years that followed, the streams of paganism and Christianity flowed together, producing what is known as the Roman Catholic Church, under the headship of the Pontifex Maximus, the Pope."
THERE YOU GO. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS PAGAN! THATS WHY RASTAS DON't LIKE/AGREE WITH IT!!! THATS WHAT I TRIED TO EXPLAIN BEFORE. You are obviously just a victim of the church, If you are a good soul then bless you, but if your a sheep then wake the FUCK UP.

[Jozak]

You need not necessarily know the root of the cause to see and understand the effect. I could go around town molotov cocktailing churches and lord knows I could come up with a justifiable and deep rooted cause for my behavior, but more important is that I simply understand the effect so I just don't do it. It's not that rastafarians hate it's ideals exactly, its more the way many interpret and act on those ideals, which is all those action made in an intrusive and arrogent manor, such as the call for people to shop at only stores holding true to the marry christmas, which say basically let's screw those who pay respects to the non-christian minority and christian majority equally. That's the kind of stuff that pisses me off, things like that which hold any man over another.
I don't recall the Vatican ever telling Catholics not to shop at a particular store or retailer, most of what I heard is Fundementalist Protestants calling on a boycott on Disney or somthing becasue of, "Gay Day" at Disney World.

[BlackGuardXIII]

mother Teresa is the greatest person who has ever lived, as far as I am concerned.

My ancestors were Orangemen and Freemasons.
They were not fond of Catholics.
I could never in a million years tell mother Teresa she is in the wrong faith....
she's not.
It is where she belonged, or she'd have been elsewhere.
The most divine Saint of our lifetime.
I love her.

Rasters........I hear ya. It's a big organization, and I have read much of the history on the activities that fail to meet my definition of ethical.

Good Catholic folk, didn't do that shit.
Good Rastafari, and any other faith, aren't guilty of their churches' crimes.
The Anglican church has a ghastly history where I live, as far as crimes against humanity is concerned. The total destruction of the local culture must have been their goal, judging by their actions.

[Jozak]

Jozak the point I was trying to make is that "When Rome conquered the world, the paganism that had spread from Babylon and developed in various nations, was merged into the religious system of Rome. This included the idea of a Supreme Pontiff (Pontifex Maximus). Thus, Babylonian paganism, which had originally been carried out under the rulership of Nimrod, was united under the rulership of one man at Rome: Julius Caesar. It was the year 63 B.C.E. that Julius Caesar was officially recognized as the "Pontifex Maximus" of the mystery religion. AKA THE RELIGION OF BABYLON, BABYLON IS THE ENEMY OF ZION AND OF THE RASTA. That is nonsense. The Christian Church was not even DEVOLOPED under Julius Caesar, either you are confusing your dates in Roman History or you are lying. The Religion of The Roman Empire and Post Rome was Latin....here is a good explanation by an Encyclopeida:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_maximus
["In the Roman Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic), the Pontifex Maximus was the head of the Roman religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_religion). He was the most important of the Pontifices (plural of Pontifex), which were positions in the main sacred college (Collegium Pontificum (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Collegium_Pontificum&action=edit)), which was directed by the Pontifex Maximus. Other members of this priesthood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest) included the Rex Sacrorum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Sacrorum) (king of the sacred rites), the Flaminii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaminii), and the Vestales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestales). The number of Pontifices, elected by cooptatio, was originally six, but this number increased to fifteen in the 1st century BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_century_BC). The Pontifices served for life. The office came into its own with the abolition of the monarchy, when the sacral powers previously vested in the king were transferred either to the Pontifex Maximus or to the Rex Sacrorum. Today it may still be said that the head of the Roman religion, now the Catholic Church at the Holy See (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See), is the Pontifex Maximus, since that is one of the titles claimed by the Pope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope) (see Primacy of the Roman Pontiff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_the_Roman_Pontiff)).

The Pontifex was not simply a priest. He had both political and religious authority. It is not clear which of the two came first or had the most importance.

The Pontifices had many relevant and prestigious functions, such as keeping the official minutes of elected magistrates (see Fasti (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Fasti&action=edit)), and the so-called "public diaries", the Annales maximi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Annales_maximi&action=edit). They also collected information related to the Roman religious tradition into a sort of corpus which summarised dogma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma) and other concepts, similar to later compilations of law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law) in Jurisprudence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisprudence).

Some authors believe that eventually Roman magistrates would have gained some of the Pontifices' political prerogatives and powers. Earlier Pontifices were elected only from the noble class, but in 300 BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_BC) the lex Ogulnia admitted people from plebs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs) too to run for the charge, so that part of the prestige of the title was lost.


In 104 BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/104_BC) the lex Domitia prescribed that the election would henceforward be voted by the comitia tributa; by the same law, only 17 of the 35 tribes of the town could vote. This law was abolished by Sulla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Cornelius_Sulla) and restored when Julius Caesar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar) was a Pontifex Maximus. A further modification prescribed then that the Emperor would have statutorily been the Pontifex Maximus and would have personally named the other Pontifices. With this attribution, the Emperor was given a religious dignity, completing the greatness of the throne. Most authors contend that the power of naming the Pontifices was not really used as an instrumentum regni, an enforcing power.

Tertullian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian) first applied the term to Pope Callixtus I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Callixtus_I), although Pope Gregory I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I) was the first to employ it in any formal sense. Pontifex was apparently a word in common currency in early Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) to denote a bishop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop). The office was relinquished by the Emperor Gratianus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratianus) in 382 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/382), and was assumed by the Christian Bishops of Rome. It thus became one of the titles of the Popes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope) of the Roman Catholic Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church) who hold it to this day. This is unusual in that most of the technical terms of Roman paganism were avoided in the vocabulary of Christian Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) in favour of neologisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism) or Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) words.
In Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin), Pontifex comes from pontem faciens, and means "bridge-maker". This was indeed an important position in Rome, where the major bridges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge) were over the Tiber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiber), the holy river (and a deity, at the same time); only prestigious authorities, with sacral function could be allowed to "disturb" it with mechanical additions. Other experts believe that the position, in its religious interpretation, would have provided men with a symbolic "bridge" to let them contact the gods; it has besides been noted that in ancient India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) similar concepts were in use in similar ages, here too ideally regarding rivers and bridges. The word has also been thought by some to be a corruption of a similar-sounding but etymologically unrelated Etruscan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language) word for priest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest), but this theory is a minority opinion."]




"The Roman emperors (including Constantine) continued to hold the office of Pontifex Maximus until 376 when Gratian, for Christian reasons, refused it. He recognized this title and office as idolatrous and blasphemous. By this time, however, the bishop of Rome had arisen to political power and prestige. Consequently, in 378, Demasus, bishop of Rome, was elected to the Pontifex Maximus—the official high priest of the mysteries! Since Rome was considered the most important city in the world, some of the Christians looked to the bishop of Rome as "bishop of bishops" and head of the church. This produced a unique situation. One man was now looked to as head by both Christians and pagans. By this time, and through the years that followed, the streams of paganism and Christianity flowed together, producing what is known as the Roman Catholic Church, under the headship of the Pontifex Maximus, the Pope."
THERE YOU GO. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS PAGAN! THATS WHY RASTAS DON't LIKE/AGREE WITH IT!!! THATS WHAT I TRIED TO EXPLAIN BEFORE. You are obviously just a victim of the church, If you are a good soul then bless you, but if your a sheep then wake the FUCK UP.I don't even know where to begin, let's start simple. First off, you did not even cite your source.

Secondly, The only person with a name like you spelled was Damasus the First, who was elected Pope in 366 AD--which is cited by the New Advent Encyclopedia, A Roman Catholic Encyclopedia--as they would know which Popes were elected on each date.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

Thirdly, the fact you say, "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS PAGAN" without offering ONE single piece of evidence we do that is pagan and say so, proves you are a moron. Show me how the Catholic Church is pagan. While we have incorporated Pagan things and MADE them Christian, ie: Christmas (winter solcsitce) and Easter, (spring equinox), that does not mean we are pagan, since the defention of pagan is:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/p/p0011100.html

"pa·gan n. One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion.

One who has no religion.
A non-Christian.
A hedonist.
A Neo-Pagan."



And A neo Pagan, by the same dictioanry is one who adheres to Neo Paganism which is:

"Ne·o-Pa·gan·ism
n.Any of various religious movements arising chiefly in the United Kingdom and the United States in the late 20th century that combine worship of pagan nature deities, particularly of the earth, with benign witchcraft."

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Jozak maybe where you from you aren't familiar with the term "underground".

"One of the most amazing aspects about the ascendancy of the papacy is that the church of Rome promotes the pope as the "Pontifex Maximus" or, Supreme Pontiff. The title Pontifex Maximus is mentioned numerous times by the early church fathers (particularly by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Christian bishop. The early church fathers say that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom", the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. It is certainly not likely that Christ appointed Peter "Pontifex Maximus" of Rome.


This explains the origin of the title "Pontifex Maximus" for the Papacy, written by Mark Bonocore
Title "Pontifex Maximus" or "Supreme Pontiff"

One of the most amazing aspects about the ascendancy of the papacy is that the church of Rome promotes the pope as the "Pontifex Maximus" or, Supreme Pontiff. The title Pontifex Maximus is mentioned numerous times by the early church fathers (particularly by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Christian bishop. The early church fathers say that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom", the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. It is certainly not likely that Christ appointed Peter "Pontifex Maximus" of Rome.

Of course Christ didn't appoint Peter to be the Pontifex Maximus. And of course the early Church Fathers spoke of the Pontifex Maximus in such derogatory, paganistic ways. Because when the early Fathers were writing, the Pontifex Maximus was the head of the Roman pagan religion (which was a a later interpretation of the Babylonian Mystery Religion and the enemy of the Rasta that is the point originally asked for), and the Roman Empire itself was pagan. As any student of Roman history knows, the Pontifex Maximus was an imperial office, usually held by the Emperor himself, which made one the "chief priest" of the Roman "state cult."



Now as I said, in the days of the early Fathers, this "state cult" was paganism and Emperor worship. Yet, when Constantine the Great became the first Christian Roman Emperor, the "state cult" changed to Christianity. Now, oddly enough, the first Christian emperors all still retained the title of Pontifex Maximus (a traditional title for Emperors) which, under imperial law (though not Church law), actually made them the "Head of the Church" ! It was by this authority, for example, that Constantine called the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) to settle the Arian controversy.

Indeed, it was not until the Empire split in two, with the Western Empire going to the pious, youthful Emperor Gratian (c. 360 AD) that the Pope was given the title Pontifex Maximus. Indeed, feeling that it was not right for he himself to carry that title (since he was, after all, not a Christian priest) the pious young Emperor bestowed it upon Pope Damasus I, who became the first Pope in history to hold the title "Pontifex Maximus."

This fact alone that the Catholics changed Christianity at all and did adopt pagan rituals, titles, and ritual attire to appeal to a wider variety of people therefore causing their hierarchy to attain cultural power. Rastas think they practiced a pure form of Christianity "untainted" rather than say corrupted for your sake, as does the Catholic Church.

Are you unaware of the fact that there is a schism of Christian beliefs all stemming back to disagreements with the Catholic Church?
This is an account of the puritans.
Some passionately sought to make the Protestant Reformation a redeeming reality in all of English life and culture, thus purifying it. They came to be called Puritans. The Puritans wanted to rid the Church of England of all evidences of its historic Catholic connection, and to let the New Testament determine church order and worship. As petitioners to King James I (1603-1625) put it in 1603, the true church ought not to be "governed by Popish Canons, Courts, Classes, Customs, or any human invention(human invention,Babylon Mystery, Evil, against god, practices which Catholics accept). Instead, by the laws and rules which Christ hath appointed in his Testament."

Then England blew up into a bunch of different ways to shape protestant England, thus prompting more faiths to come about. If that isn't enough to show you why Rastas do not agree with Catholics, then I don't know what will.

[Jozak]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_maximus

From the Encyclopedia Article"
"Tertullian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian) first applied the term to Pope Callixtus I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Callixtus_I), although Pope Gregory I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I) was the first to employ it in any formal sense. Pontifex was apparently a word in common currency in early Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) to denote a bishop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop). The office was relinquished by the Emperor Gratianus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratianus) in 382 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/382), and was assumed by the Christian Bishops of Rome. It thus became one of the titles of the Popes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope) of the Roman Catholic Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church) who hold it to this day. This is unusual in that most of the technical terms of Roman paganism were avoided in the vocabulary of Christian Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) in favour of neologisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism) or Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) words."

So what you posted is wrong. It was not Pope Damasus who was given the title in 360 or whatever, it was Callixtus, and as you can see from this list of Popes, your dates are horribly wrong as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

So let me get this straight: You hate the Catholic Church becasue we use the title Pontifex Maximus???? That's it?!!? We are not the Pagan Religion of Rome, We are the Christian Religion of Rome, and if Constantine, A Roman Christian Emperor, used it, why are you so opposed to it? SO WHAT if it used to be Pagan, it was changed from Pagan to Christian Over 1600 years ago. We use the original bible, compiled togethar at the Synod of Hippo in 393 AD, which Bible do you use?

As far as England goes, number one: The Anglican Church is very similar to the Catholic Church, so your precious Puritans failed. The Puritan Church is pretty much non exsistant anymore, I could care less what those morons who outlawed Dancing, Drinking, Fun, etc thought. IF that is your idea of Christianity you are living on a different planet.

Oh and By The Way, you know how many times you plagarized? Quite a bit.

www.christianitytoday.com/holidays/ thanksgiving/features/41h008.html
"Some passionately sought to make the Protestant Reformation a redeeming reality in all of English life and culture, thus purifying it. They came to be called Puritans. The Puritans wanted to rid the Church of England of all evidences of its historic Catholic connection, and to let the New Testament determine church order and worship. As petitioners to King James I (1603-1625) put it in 1603, the true church ought not to be "governed by Popish Canons, Courts, Classes, Customs, or any human invention(human invention,Babylon Mystery, Evil, against god, practices which Catholics accept). Instead, by the laws and rules which Christ hath appointed in his Testament."

Oh my God you are a moron. ARE YOU NOT AWARE THIS IS A DEBATE BETWEEN MARK BONOCORE, A ROMAN CATHOLIC, AND SOMEONE LIKE YOU?
www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a104.htm (http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a104.htm)
This explains the origin of the title "Pontifex Maximus" for the Papacy, written by Mark Bonocore
Title "Pontifex Maximus" or "Supreme Pontiff"

Stupid Heretic:
"One of the most amazing aspects about the ascendancy of the papacy is that the church of Rome promotes the pope as the "Pontifex Maximus" or, Supreme Pontiff. The title Pontifex Maximus is mentioned numerous times by the early church fathers (particularly by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Christian bishop. The early church fathers say that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom", the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. It is certainly not likely that Christ appointed Peter "Pontifex Maximus" of Rome. "


Bonocore: "Of course Christ didn't appoint Peter to be the Pontifex Maximus. And of course the early Church Fathers spoke of the Pontifex Maximus in such derogatory, paganistic ways. Because when the early Fathers were writing, the Pontifex Maximus was the head of the Roman pagan religion (which was a a later interpretation of the Babylonian Mystery Religion and the enemy of the Rasta that is the point originally asked for), and the Roman Empire itself was pagan. As any student of Roman history knows, the Pontifex Maximus was an imperial office, usually held by the Emperor himself, which made one the "chief priest" of the Roman "state cult."

Now as I said, in the days of the early Fathers, this "state cult" was paganism and Emperor worship. Yet, when Constantine the Great became the first Christian Roman Emperor, the "state cult" changed to Christianity. Now, oddly enough, the first Christian emperors all still retained the title of Pontifex Maximus (a traditional title for Emperors) which, under imperial law (though not Church law), actually made them the "Head of the Church" ! It was by this authority, for example, that Constantine called the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) to settle the Arian controversy.

Indeed, it was not until the Empire split in two, with the Western Empire going to the pious, youthful Emperor Gratian (c. 360 AD) that the Pope was given the title Pontifex Maximus. Indeed, feeling that it was not right for he himself to carry that title (since he was, after all, not a Christian priest) the pious young Emperor bestowed it upon Pope Damasus I, who became the first Pope in history to hold the title "Pontifex Maximus."

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

I just said thats a reason that Rastas hate it. I was baptized Catholic.

[Jozak]

I just said thats a reason that Rastas hate it. I was baptized Catholic.
That is not only a petty reason, but a moronic one as well. I mean who hates a whole church becasue of one of many titles the pope has? :rolleyes:

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Here's some more info i've just found at http://www.bobmarley.com/life/jamaicanpolitics/confrontation/

It talks about bob marley rasta and the pope, also the connection between Freemasons and Rasta.

[mynameiskc]

i would think, in reference to the first question, that it's because a few people in every group think they've found the right to hate someone who just pisses them off. there's always a few bad apples.

[goldmund]

Greetings all. Jozak, you are not a good apologist for your faith. Calling people morons, etc. for responding to the questions you asked borders on belligerence, and does not do justice to the ideas that you are trying to defend. This goes the same for other supposed "rasses" etc. who have posted here.
So let's get back to the original question: why do rastas hate whites and Catholics?

First of all you sould probably look back to the origins of Rastafari in Jamaica, etc. where a severely racist political, economic, and religious (albeit Anglican) system were in place during the time when much Rasta ideology was being formed. Marcus Garvey (who no one has even mentioned yet!), the "forerunner" of Rasta ideology, in his debates with W.E.B Du Bois over the role of Africans in the diaspora, clearly laid the groundwork for "racial" (not racist) trends or tendencies within Rastafari.

Addressing the Catholic question, I have to say Pope Pius XI's blessing Mussolini's planes, which were loaded with the chemical and biological weapons that devestated Ethiopia, is the biggest reason for animosity. Most reasoning starts there. On top of that you have the Council of Chalcedon in 451, which separated the Ethiopian/Coptic/Oriental Orthodox Churches from the Roman Catholic and Eastern Rite churches, etc. I could go on and on about the opulence of the church, the live of fear that the pope lives, and the other countless abuses through the ages of Peter's See.
I could go on forever about these things, so i will follow up if anyone has any questions.

Blessings

[mynameiskc]

i haven't heard anything about their hating anglicans, which is basically the same as catholicism, minus the pope. how come they don't bring that up much, considering that slave holders in the islands were brits?

[goldmund]

good question...they do voice there criticism of the Anglican church, but not as often as they do for the pope. I think that it is the person/position of the pope, in the city of ROME (see revelations), that bothers them more than their rituals, etc. Also, I don't know if this makes much of a difference, but Haile Selassie had an excellent relationship with Queen Elizabeth, staying with her on more than one occassion in England; she visited him and stayed in his palace for 40 days in Ethiopia. Some rumor that they had an affair, but others concider this a blasphemous rumor.

[Jozak]

Greetings all. Jozak, you are not a good apologist for your faith. Calling people morons, etc. for responding to the questions you asked borders on belligerence, and does not do justice to the ideas that you are trying to defend. This goes the same for other supposed "rasses" etc. who have posted here. If you hate a religion becasue of the fact that we have a Supreme Bishop that was created bythe Apostole Peter, or because of some conspiracy theory on a Bob Marley website, that is moronic. The guy would not even address the points if you go back and look.

So let's get back to the original question: why do rastas hate whites and Catholics?

First of all you sould probably look back to the origins of Rastafari in Jamaica, etc. where a severely racist political, economic, and religious (albeit Anglican) system were in place during the time when much Rasta ideology was being formed. Marcus Garvey (who no one has even mentioned yet!), the "forerunner" of Rasta ideology, in his debates with W.E.B Du Bois over the role of Africans in the diaspora, clearly laid the groundwork for "racial" (not racist) trends or tendencies within Rastafari. Okay, good explanation, as I said I am not an expert on Rasta, but I have seen many post on other sites and they come off as very racist.

Addressing the Catholic question, I have to say Pope Pius XI's blessing Mussolini's planes, which were loaded with the chemical and biological weapons that devestated Ethiopia, is the biggest reason for animosity. Most reasoning starts there. Do you have a source for that? Also consider the fact that he was a dictator, it's not like the Pope could raise an army and throw him out of office.


On top of that you have the Council of Chalcedon in 451, which separated the Ethiopian/Coptic/Oriental Orthodox Churches from the Roman Catholic and Eastern Rite churches, etc.The Orthoodx and Catholic Church did not split until 1054. All the Council of Chalcedon did, like many other councils of this time, was define the, "Orthodox Catholic Doctrine" of the Christian Church--there was no split, that did not happen for another 600 years.

I could go on and on about the opulence of the church,Opulence? The Church has many priceless possessions, such as cathedrals and relics, but as to actual money, most of it goes back to fund churches, schools, clergy, charity and mission work.


the live of fear that the pope lives, and the other countless abuses through the ages of Peter's See.
I could go on forever about these things, so i will follow up if anyone has any questions.

BlessingsThe Church has done some corrupt things, I will admit that, it is not perfect, and certainly no clergyman is. Indeed, some Popes in the Medieval times were very, very corrupt, but the Church has corrected these abuses and the only thing that irritates me are the myths and ignorance about the Church.

[goldmund]

I mentioned the schism at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 which split over the nature, or "physis", of Christ. The ORIENTAL ORTHODOX (NOT GREEK, RUSSIAN, the Byzantine Churches, etc. which separated in 1054) maintained that Christ's divine nature absolutely permeated his human nature. This position was declared heretical largely because of translating difficulties, and slight theological subtleties. There were extremists on both sides as well, tipping the debate. Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople, condemed at the Council of Ephesus in 431, separated Christ's human and divine natures, and proclaimed that title of "Theotokos" (God-Bearer) for Mary, Jesus' human mother, was blasphemous. The Monophysites (one-nature), preferably called "Miaphysites" (one-united-nature), felt that the Nestorians created a intolerable schizophrenic Jesus. The council of chalcedon basically decided on a middle ground, keeping his human and divine natures distinct, yet somehow inseperable. This is a very simplistic explaination of the origins of the Oriental Orthodox Churches.

This debate still continues within the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches as they try to coax the Oriental Orthodox Churches back into the fold.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is a part of the Oriental Orthodox Churches. It was the second country in the world (before Rome, after Armenia) to declare Christianity as the official religion of State. Black Ethiopia has a liturgical language, Ge'ez, which dates back over 3000 years, a monarchy (ending with HIM) that arguably stretched back 2800 years, and was the only african country exempt from the Conference of Berlin (1871?) where European powers divided African territories and prohibited the sale of weapons and armaments to african peoples. It was believed by medieval christians that Ethiopia was the land of the fabled Prester John, and figured large into Portuguese ambitions for circling the horn. All of this and more for a black nation.

In order to keep the institutions of slavery based on race intact, Christians across the board, told African slaves that there home was a savage place, animist, without language or culture.

Black Christians started looking toward Ethiopia for strength based on the reasons that I gave above. They can be considered a "proto" rastafarian movement.

I agree that there is alot of ignorance concerning the Catholic Church and alot of animosity wrongly directed at Pope John Paul II. I believe that this Pope has done more perhaps than any of the Popes in the last 1500 years +/- to heal the rifts between Christians, Jews, Muslims, and other faiths. He has apologized where he believed the Church was in err, and has spoken out against evil in the world. He was a main player in the fall of the Soviet Union (via Solidarity in Poland), and has criticized the corrupt foriegn policy of the US and Israel.

Haile Selassie had cordial relations with the vatican following his return from excile in 1941.

[Jozak]

Oh defenintly, I see what you are saying. I took a class called, "The Vision of Christianity" that talked about ALL of what you said about what were considered heresies, what councils did what, which church fathers had which, "schools of thought" etc. There was a ton of debate about the nature of Christ, and I would venture to say that about 50% of the course covered that material alone and the controversy around it. What the Church did basically was combine the Antiochain and the Alexandrain schools of thought and said: "You both are taking the extremes". "He was both, let's just leave it at that", as it says in the Nicence creed that most Christian denominations accept as truth.

I disagree with the Oriental Church's view that christ was not 100% man and God, to me it takes the whole point of the Crucifixion, birth, and everything else Christ did for us. That also includes Mary not being the Mother of God, as I beleive she is. What is your personal view about it, your school of thought you agree with?

[goldmund]

No, they were the defenders of the title "Theotokos". It was the Nestorians who didn't believe she was the mother of God. The Oriental Orthodox Church also believes that he was 100% human. Like I said before there really is only a slight difference in terminology and emphasis. Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Church members can now recieve communion within each other's churches on certain occasions. I am not sure what the situation is with Rome.
I visited an Ethiopian Rite Catholic monk inside Vatican City where they have a college of Ethiopian Studies, library, etc. Most Ethiopian-Orienteal Rite Catholics (they have another name, i can't recall it) are Eritrean and where under heavy Italian colonial influence for almost 125 years.

On a similar note, I have never seen more Ethiopians in my life than in the city of Rome. The Roman Catholic Church gave the Ethiopian Orthodox faithful, without allegiance to the pope, a 16th century Church about a block away from San Pietro in Vincoli, the Saint Peter in Chains Basilica.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Christ was weed wrapped in a philly.

[Tarman]

well in the end you look at the black mans skin and its thicker than whites. so who has been around the longest must have the thickest skin

[WayfaringStranger]

dumb ass! i am white, i was baptised as catholic, and rastas have always loved me. i think youre racist and a religious persecuter. youre a lowly piece of shit for labeling people. and for assuming that others are filled with your ignorance and bigotry.

[Jabbawaya]

There is every reason to dislike Christianity anyway...

[YES I CANNABIS]

Jah teaches dat Rastafari is Iniversal - this means it is for everyone and anyone. Jah did not restrict it to a particular race, because man made the word “race” and it’s meaning, man made racism, not Jah.

Haile Selassie I said "The colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of their eyes." and it is so true. Daisys x
thank you! hit the nail on the head or however they say

[Jozak]

dumb ass! i am white, i was baptised as catholic, and rastas have always loved me. i think youre racist and a religious persecuter. youre a lowly piece of shit for labeling people. and for assuming that others are filled with your ignorance and bigotry.
Who are you talking to?

[sm0key42o8]

I think some people in here need to use the internet to their advantage!! Instead of fighting and the whole he said she said, I read this. Why dont you go out and search Rasta! You will never meet a Rasta that say I hate this color man. Rasta say I hate their thoughts and teachings. If you met a Rasta that says I hate whites, They are not Rasta. I am white and have dreadlocks. I have been excepted by Rastas for my dreads and one love more so than the white babylonian structure. Rasta only wants to bring down babylon and get rid of oppersion, not only for blacks but for all who have been oppressed. If you would like to recall, not only white men where selling slaves, it was the rival African tribes who were caputuring them and selling em. Also there were white people enslaved also! Rasta wants all this injustice brought down. What about the Jews and the Holocaust? The Christians being oppressed and persacuted in the biblical times? All these are points of one man holding down another. Rasta simply wants everyone to love everyone-ONE LOVE! I and I means we are all equal and one!

As far as the catholic church is concerned. Use to be the clergy was not allowed to get married, but as soon as all the child molestation came out, Well, now all of a sudden the chruch says its it ok???? They have a history of doing this. Most Organized religions today have lost the point, they change their veiws to keep up with times and better serve their own needs. The Bible is a man made document and anybody quoting it for religious perpuse is fighting a loosin battle! The Bible is very old and has been translated into many tongues, who knows how correct it is after all of this translation.

And lets not foget how many people go to church on Sunday after gettin drunk on saturday night and cheating on their wife(just an example). Many people believe I can live like this during the week as long as I go to church for an hour on Sunday and all is forgiven. Rasta lives his life the same everyday and rejoices in the blessing of Jah everyday. Rasta using everyday as a day of worship!

[goldmund]

You will never meet a Rasta that say I hate this color man. Rasta say I hate their thoughts and teachings. If you met a Rasta that says I hate whites, They are not Rasta.

I think this is true to up to a point. Old school rasta was much more rooted in, yes, racist, ideology. This was something that Bob especially had a hard time with as he was mixed. I think that he more than anyone helped bring it to a wider racial audience, yet there is even some controversy over this. Many black rasses feel like he wouldn't have even become as popular as he did if he were fully "black".

If you want to quote His Majesty, then sight, but Ethiopia was/still is a very racist country as well. In fact, most Amhara/highlanders believe that they are white! The name for a dark skinned person is the same name for slave in Amharic.

What it comes down to is this: the fact that we are even reasoning about this topic shows that rasta is still trying very hard to shake off its racist roots. The seperatist/segregating policies of Garvey, in particular, have had the most harmful lasting influence. While there are probably authentic rasses that are racist, they probably just have not met the heights ones and ones!

[sm0key42o8]

How true that is. The old school elders are like that, but younger ones are not. I think that even the elders who feel that way are being true to the one love!

But I do hafta agree with you. Rasta started out as a black movement, but now I think it is more about equality across the board. Not only for blacks, but all who have been and are being oppressed. I think the movement has evolved!

And for anyone to say they are pure white or pure black is either living in denial or stupidity!

[Zion]

How would you feel towards people who perecute you, for your appearance, and dont even recognize your joy for life. Im not advocating hate Im just saying, Its hard to make peace with people who want to oppress you

[goldmund]

How would you feel towards people who perecute you, for your appearance, and dont even recognize your joy for life. Im not advocating hate Im just saying, Its hard to make peace with people who want to oppress you
Rastafari is about the final judgement. It is not some easy going path. Wrapped up in the very military battles of WWII are the epic sagas of the faith. More than JUDGEMENT, Rastafari is about JUSTICE and Bob's song is definately in line with that tenent.

The difficult thing for rastas is to remember that while part of God, they are not HIM. We have very little distiction between divine love burnin hot, and our own personal anger. I would not recommend the militant path. Most will fall from it and end up the scorn of their own judgement.

[Bikshu]

short answer : ignorance.

Dont try and talk around it, because there is no other answer for hatred between people.

[Bikshu]

oh, and ignorance in one area does not imply that other areas are not truthfull or correct.

[Zion]

Rastafari is about the final judgement. It is not some easy going path. Wrapped up in the very military battles of WWII are the epic sagas of the faith. More than JUDGEMENT, Rastafari is about JUSTICE and Bob's song is definately in line with that tenent.

The difficult thing for rastas is to remember that while part of God, they are not HIM. We have very little distiction between divine love burnin hot, and our own personal anger. I would not recommend the militant path. Most will fall from it and end up the scorn of their own judgement. Yeah see...Much apologies I would never advocate militantcy under any curcumstance. For those who remain peaceful experience peace as oppsed to hatred, anger and all kinds of suffering. I wouldnt mean to say that a rasta would hate, just that they feel opressed by haters.

[goldmund]

Seen. No apologies needed. I was actually agreeing with what the I had said. It all comes down to some type of unresolvable balance, overlapping, and resting contradictions that trumpet the spirit above reason. I think one of the best and worst things about Rasta is its militancy.

[Zion]

Word. Spiritual militancy unites us. Physical militancy destroys us

[drumminmama]

:
Originally Posted by drumminmama
Jozack, do you have any proof of your allegations? or are you being hateful?
How was ANYTHING in my post hateful? It was a simple question but thanks for not stating anything relavent to it.

BTW everyone else, thank you for responding, I appreciate it.

because this is not the first time you have asked this question. You did this prior to the system crash and you are so incredibly defensive of your "faith."
Have a little more faith in it and relax.

[velvet]

Although it's a bit late to step into this, let me give a try. I'm a white girl with black friends (true Africans) and we get along just great. One has dreads, the other plants, the other afro. Some are Christian, some are Muslim, most of them refer to any dieity as Jah. Sometimes they are a little weary of 'white people' but that's mostly due to their history as warrefugees/asylumseekers and the way they have been treated in my country, by my people. Because of this, it took me a while to get trusted by them but now they do it's all good. They refer to me as their 'Dutch sister'.

Because of them, I've became really interested in the african culture, which nearly automatically includes reggae, their language (Krio), their past (rebelwar) etc etc. They aren't fullblown rastafarians, but since I was also searching google on that topic I came across a website that really shocked me for it's blunt racism:

http://rastafari.unn13.com/cointel/truth.html

However, I realize that these people are the extremists of the lot and that although blacks & whites have a complicated past that doesn't mean there is necessarily a complicated future. I find it sad to see though, that those of the race who've been surpressed for so long are now seeking racial seperation themselves. Since my personal religion is mostly buddhist a saying of a master comes to mind: "You stick to naturalness too much. When you stick to it, it is not natural any more."

That's my philosophy.. meeting every person as an unique being, regardless of faith, culture, age or skincolor.

[SLammon420]

because alot of white people and catholics just suck...not all...some.

[SLammon420]

white people as a whole don't have such a great relationship with any black people throughout history...you can't blame them for being a little hateful or weary towards us...whites have fucked them over big time in the past.

[Jozak]

because alot of white people and catholics just suck...not all...some.
Well, I'm sure a lot of black people and rastas suck too then, right?

[mynameiskc]

well duh!

hey, jozak, where ya been?

[Jozak]

I know, I haven't been on here in forever. I'm hoping to get back to posting....school took up a lot of time last year, work, etc. School is started but I was on fall break this weekend, hopefully I'll get back in the habit.

[mynameiskc]

good to see ya!

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Racisim sucks. It dont mater whos doin the hatin. The best thing you can do is dont trust anyone. I think a Rasta man just like any other would be a fool to trust another man based just on that hes another "rasta man". Just like all black Folk aint "all black Folk" all white Folks aint "all white Folks". Less inteligent people just tend to generalize more in this respect, its easier and lazy people can do it. Its much easier to hate others based on these broad generalizations instead of puttin real thought into the mater and basin you pinion on the person and not the color of their flesh. I hope Im not hated based on my skin color. My parents came here from Hungary durring the Hungarian revolution while they were fleein from oppresion. They never opressed anyone the hole time they here and neither did I. White Folks are made up of a hole lotta differant nationalitys just like Black Folks. Im fukkin Hungarian, my skin dont look "white" and their aint no Baballon me. Hate Babbalon, not the color of the skin of its occupants.

[FunkyPhreshMama]

Many Rastafarian's nowadays are white...Sadley, a "good" religion like rastafari has many different offsprings, and since we like to remain more or less leader less, at the most have an elder of the brethern that rasta's reside in, it gives people a chance to read into, and change the religion just like it was done by the colonists!

[soaringeagle]

i hate no church or people, but i sure do get annoyed at people like jozak

jozak everyone here has tried very hard to explain & show you truth, yet the ony hatred i've felt had come from you

maybe the question should be..why does jozak hate (or fear) rastas?

[Jozak]

i hate no church or people, but i sure do get annoyed at people like jozak
Ha.

jozak everyone here has tried very hard to explain & show you truth, yet the ony hatred i've felt had come from you
Truth about what? I have read/heard a lot of anti-caucasian and anti Catholicism bigotry that come from, "Old School" rastas and I was wondering if there was an actual legitimate reason.

maybe the question should be..why does jozak hate (or fear) rastas?
I never once said I hated or feared them, I don't. Now, try actually adding some substance to your posts instead of posting some radom conclusion about me pages later after the origianl question. I have appreciated most of the insight to this point, which it ended with your post.

[FunkyPhreshMama]

Truth about what? I have read/heard a lot of anti-caucasian and anti Catholicism bigotry that come from, "Old School" rastas and I was wondering if there was an actual legitimate reason.

Who or what were these "Old School" Rasta's basing it on? Where they Jamaican, and maybe just fed up on living in slums. watching the White Man living on the fruit of their hard work? And as far as Catholism goes, it was one of the main religion's pressed on Africa and the new World, by pretty much anything not English...and if you know any of the history of H.I.M. Heile Selassie I., I wonder what country Catholism is based out of, and what Country Ethiopia had to remove. Just things to consider...

[FunkyPhreshMama]

Yeah see...Much apologies I would never advocate militantcy under any curcumstance. For those who remain peaceful experience peace as oppsed to hatred, anger and all kinds of suffering. I wouldnt mean to say that a rasta would hate, just that they feel opressed by haters.
I'm not trying to seem like I am just trying to disagree...but the first few brethern of rasta's were raided because they were stocking weapons. The Maroons of Jamaica (Slaves that rebeled and won their freedom, even though their later history is torn between freedom fighter, or police force for the man) are great Rasta Heros. What about Marcus Garvey...he was not a peaceful man...I believe that you should be peaceful, until someone forces you not to be!!!

[mynameiskc]

nice post, funky. i really love that last line.

[RobbyRedLocks]

well iman must start with a teaching that a blessed bredren taught i

Each Rasta has his own path to trod seen? but it all leads to one place, to Jah, know that each Rasta has different feelings.

There are many reasons why some Rastas dislike white people, the strong point being that there has been so much downpressing from white people.

Iman ask, where you sit to day? yesI, in Babylon shitstem!
And where do so many Rastas sit? in Babylons shitstem.

Now where do each of these people belong? the White man in Europe? the Black Africans in there homeland? but then why deny the Black Man his rightful place? because white people STOLE human beings! and yesI, iman sight that there was African downpressors too, stealing black people to sell. which is why the Nyabinghi Chant "Death to black and white oppressors!" ALL OPPRESSORS!.

also there are other reasons other than the unfortunate beggining of the white and black mans relationship.

What about the Klu Klux Klan? thousands of white men chasing and hunting down black people to kill! tell I, how would you feel towards black people if thousands of them went on a mad rampage claiming that white people all deserve to die, calling yuh scum, and this and that?

And then yuh look at current afairs in the world, now that segregation is still present, still a white man is favoured over a black man JUST BECAUSE THE COLOUR OF HIS SKIN! (and yesI, iman also know that in sum cases black people are favoured over white, both cases MUST BE STOPPED!)

and iman must say "once bitten, twice shy" many black people find it hard to trust white people, though Iman pray and pray to JahJah, InI's creator, the most high, to help all and all realise equality.

and also, about Catholics, iman nah know too much about this part, but iman can say, them Catholics sit down all rightous, make them rules, but iman nah see them loving Jah, yuh know, in Henry the 8th time or so, (before he set up the church of England) them Catholics said yuh could BUY your way into heaven, to God. iman ask, does this show a good side to Catholics? them a sit there, telling people what to do, but not listening to there own words.

well iman hope i helped yuh overstand a little bit more :)

Blessings


WAIT - Whites belong in Europe? Blacks in Africa? educate yourself please - Africa is the homeland of ALL MANKIND - The Birthplace of All MAN - The Rivers that came out of The garden encompassd the WHOLE LAND OF ETHIOPIA!!!
white black this & that - does not sound like the words of a Bredren

[PsyGrunge]

maybe it's because many white people are openly racist

[FunkyPhreshMama]

maybe it's because many white people are openly racistthere are always people of almost every race that are openly racist....

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

No Black people are openly racist nowadays. Most white people I know respect blacks, but then blacks don't give that back. They think just because of athletics, tv, and hip hop there better than us. Seriously how many black people still practice white culture, compared to whites practicing and becoming involved in black culture. Thats a stupid statement. Whites are not openly racist anymore. Except for skinheads and race haters that just hate everyone.

Back to Jozak I haven't really checked this post for a while, but dude how can you say Catholicism hasn't borrowed the Babylonian Religion? With most of its customs? Your obviously ignorant dude, solely due to the fact that The Catholic church has claimed sole control over sun worship. Even said so by Thomas Paine. When he proposed the sun a viable god as his god being a Deist.
Caesar was THE first pontifex maximus, to reinstate the title upon the Emporer, being that he was the first EMPORER To break the republic. The Pontifex maximus, is a title of the ancient Priest king of babylon, similar to the PHaroah of egypt. He was the self-appointed High Priest king. But it connects to christianity because the Roman Catholic Clergy, adopted this title as their Supreme Pontiff, IE POPE. Pontifex Maximus its simple Latin.
Obviously youv'e also never heard the reference Babylon, in a reggae song, or Rastafari articles. It is the material system of slow spiritual decay, and political brainwash by the priestly caste. Which was followed by a pursuit of the forerunners to Rastafi way back in ancient times. Due to mainly the use of the cannabis, which like all psychadelics, grants you freedom to look inside and think for yourself. Find real truths, deeply inbedded in your brain and dna. These are the first thing outlawed by the organized religions. Because it would destroy their whole Hierarchy and priesthood money-making scam. First the Babylonians, then the Jews adopted it, then the Romans. THEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAME OUT OF ROME.
It just so happens most of the people that this materialistic system of Dogma and persecution was carried on by whites. This is the whole Babylon/white crap they talk about. When its not the people themselves.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Fukkin A Rite Brudda! Hate the rasist not the race!

[drumminmama]

save your time, all Jozak posts some form of this on every incarnation of the site.
He's so caught up in defending his phucking huge uber rich church that won't feed its hungry that he has to make other religions look bad.

[Zion]

I'm not trying to seem like I am just trying to disagree...but the first few brethern of rasta's were raided because they were stocking weapons. The Maroons of Jamaica (Slaves that rebeled and won their freedom, even though their later history is torn between freedom fighter, or police force for the man) are great Rasta Heros. What about Marcus Garvey...he was not a peaceful man...I believe that you should be peaceful, until someone forces you not to be!!!Im a freek see. And if the sun were a movie camera it would capture things in the way that they happen. So if some one just came up and hurt or killed me, it we reveal them to be the evil one not me. And so what happened might not add up to happy logic, on their behaif. Making their experience revealed to be confused, not mine. Get where Im goin?
A peace man who was killed did nothing wrong, thus died happily. Didn't matter how or when, but died happily.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Satisfaction turns to worms. Its good to die happy.

[grimjivey]

Religon is not for me.

There seems to be a double standard here. Would so many people rush to defend Methodism? God forbid anyone should say anything bad about anything "black", even if it is true.

I've been reading more and more about how nontolerant the rasta's (at least in Jamica) can be, ecpecially towards gays.

I say, if theres intolerance anywhere, even within a community which has been the victim of intolerance, it should be addressed.

[FunkyPhreshMama]

the homophopia problem in jamaica doesn't come from rasta, but is held by most male's from jamaica! there's been whole social studies conducted as to where this comes from, but please, don't address this as a rastafarian issue...and remember, the religion is strongly based in the old testement, which speaks pretty strongly against homosexuals!

[Zion]

Rastas dont believe in lust, of coarse all sexuality is excluded

[grimjivey]

and remember, the religion is strongly based in the old testement, which speaks pretty strongly against homosexuals!

If that is so, than why can I not address this issue with the rasta's?

I undersatnd that it is not an entirely rasta thing, but it does seem to related as you have said. It is my arguement that "Rasta" is a popular religion here (among the hip). But I say it is just a guilty as the next (not quite as popular) religon. If they exclude people for being gay, they are no better than their Christain brothers and sisters (in that regard).

[grimjivey]

FunkyPhreshMama, I like you.

I don't know why feel the need to argue with you so much.

Have a fine day!!!

[FunkyPhreshMama]

FunkyPhreshMama, I like you.

I don't know why feel the need to argue with you so much.

Have a fine day!!!hey, its ok, no bad blood, a lot of people don't argue their own opinions like you do, your not arguing from a book and thats cool with me =)

[Credo]

My brother "Mellow Psychedelia," a few years ago, you wrote:

"Rastas don't hate whites.
And Catholics have been fucking with the bible and twisting true religous things to benifit fit them, they don't like catholics because that establishment is evil... narcs
Peace"

There can be no "peace" as long as such hatred and vile words reside in your heart and on your tongue. To find out what Catholics believe/teach and what the early Church Fathers taught and believed, go to www.catholic.com (http://www.catholic.com/). If you dare to search for Truth, you'll find things you've never been told and will be surprised.

I'll be praying for you,
Credo

[Puffis]

Rastas don't hate whites JAH created us all, Rastas don't hate Catholics Garvey was a Catholic

[nelliefox]

You view your belief of the Rasta God (in regards to Catholics) on ONE particular Catholic? That is absolutely pathetic and it substantiates a great deal of what the writer asked you about. You have no idea, do you? Have you even taken time to really talk to people that are different than you lately? (and family doesn't count...I mean of your OWN VOLITION!). I'm talking about anyone that you might encounter who is peaceful; old people, young people, blacks, whites, indians, democrats, republicans, oh, the list goes on and on.

Please don't think that just because you deem yourself a "Rastafarian" (or that you deem yourself anything for that matter) that there isn't a whole lot of good out there in the world that radiates from many different "sources."

Wise up and THINK STRAIGHT! N.

[Crystalsatreehugger]

Catholics have combined ancient Babylonian paganism. Any emeny of the Rastafari and zion. They distorted the true wisdom of the bible for their own sickening benefits through monetary schemes. They continued the idea of a Pontifex Maximus(or babylonian high priest of the mystery religion) which was resurrected when the ego-maniac Julius Caesar became Emporer of Rome. It is truly disguisting how generations of good people have been deceived like this. Ever wonder where the Cardinals or Pope get their outfitts from? Ancient Babylonian Attire that drew the attention of the first corrupters of the Old Testament. Combining Physical and political power, with religion and spiritual advancement is the downfall of civilization. Too bad now its all gone underground.
This is very interesting yet confusing to me. I wonder if you could give me a link to a Rasta for dummies site :)

[Crystalsatreehugger]

You view your belief of the Rasta God (in regards to Catholics) on ONE particular Catholic? That is absolutely pathetic and it substantiates a great deal of what the writer asked you about. You have no idea, do you? Have you even taken time to really talk to people that are different than you lately? (and family doesn't count...I mean of your OWN VOLITION!). I'm talking about anyone that you might encounter who is peaceful; old people, young people, blacks, whites, indians, democrats, republicans, oh, the list goes on and on.

Please don't think that just because you deem yourself a "Rastafarian" (or that you deem yourself anything for that matter) that there isn't a whole lot of good out there in the world that radiates from many different "sources."

Wise up and THINK STRAIGHT! N.
why is it so hard to have a healthy insightful debate/discussion on religion? It seems like everytime one discusses/compares/or contrasts one another's beliefs there are always those that have to degrade the opposing view to justify their own.

It's annoying to read such insightful thoughts that have been weeded with insults and personal attacks. God, or Jah, would see no use in using these negative thought forms. Why persecute one another when we are all formed of one love?

[Reverend_Loki]

Dude, I'm sorry, but how the HELL do you propose to know the mind of god?
If there is a diety, and it created negative thought forms, then obviously it made them to be thought.

You Rastafarians have forgotten how to Hate. I pity you.

[rak]

Why are most rastafari’s white Catholics?

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

This is very interesting yet confusing to me. I wonder if you could give me a link to a Rasta for dummies site :)What confuses you? Look up the etymology of Pope, and you will find it goes back to Pontifex maximus. The Roman institution of High priest and king, started when Julius Caesar became supreme dictator and did away with the corruption of the Republic. He as supreme lord of the physical being King, now wanted to control the peoples souls as well, a practice that hadn't been around since Babylon. The persians practiced it to an extent, with Darius and Xerxes. He basically by calling himself Pontifex Maximus called himself Pharaoh.
This was always the enemy of the truly righteous. No man was in-between god and the individual. YOU MAKE YOUR COVENANT WITH JAH OR ALLAH JUST THE SAME AS ADAM did. Follow by example not worship these holy men in the flesh. The big mistake the catholics forced on everybody. It was all politics
they wanted to convert Europe so they did the same thing the Jews did. They got engulfed and did not stand their ground. They assimilated to the point where they lost their religion. As with the catholics no Pope is needed every man is the pope in hte eyes of allah if he has submitted and been assimilated into Allah.
No Lamb is to be sacrificed just like no trinity or mother goddess is to be worshipped aside the true lord. God requires a personal covenant, prayer, devotion, and good will towards all men.

Rastas are Christians and while every man is created equal. He is capable of being corrupted by Satan. Which is what the Catholic institution is. Everything that jesus christ the nazritie preached. However all religion works if it shows people the light of Allah, which is never to late to be seen. Every holy monotheist is a muslim. They are just not aware of the simplified system that Muhammed PBUH recited.

[Lawman_Gad]

InI ran across this over google.......

Just to clear up some stuff.....

Rastas are ONE, but in my Fathers house, there is many mansions, that is to say we have different streams that have different views on things (not to mention the vast amount that do not stick with any stream).

Rastas do not hate whites nor catholics. Rasta do not (or try not to) hate people.

"White people" is a reference you will hear Marcus Garvey make alot, although if you must understand why he did this, you must understand the time he lived in. He was considerd inferior, although he was a very smart (although sometimes misguided) man, which was caused by the white downpresser, who was in that time still heavily involved in colonialism. I will not denie that sometimes my ears ring of what I hear some bredren say, but if you put the words in context they are often relevent, H.I.M. would have nothing of so-called races, neither will I.

Catholics are fine people, some of my inlaws are Catholic and I love them to pieces. The vatican on the other hands is a thorn in any Rastas eyes, it defies GOD again and again. In the simplest form you can see it on any Catholics wall..... Yeshua on a cross?!??! This in and by it self goes against Genesis and this is just the tiniest example of ongoing defiance of GOD by the Catholic institution. It would not bother anyone so much, if the vatican wasnt running most of the world.
Catholics do not seem to be aware of what is in the bible, because they are generally not encouraged to read the bible for themselves, how many Catholics have read Genesis through Revelation?
Rome is babylon, that's why it vexes Rastafari
Jozak, if you wish to defend the vatican, please start explaining why it seems like an organised childmolesters club :confused: The evil of Rome is not history, it surfaces everyday.

Furhter more, I saw someone claiming to be a Rastafari denouncing militancy.... Well I have never....... Militancy is key to Rastafari, use every chance you can get to get your point across. Who would have heard of Bob Marley, or Peter Tosh if it wasnt for militancy? If you are trying to say you object to violence, great point, but militancy within Rastafari has nothing to do with flesh and blood.

One more point is "homosexuality". Rastafari have nothing against homosexuality, it is just that sodomy is not excepted :rolleyes: . You see, just because something is renamed, doesnt make it right.
Does this mean I go lynch homosexuals? No, I work with homosexuals, what they do with their spare time is their problem...... they can go worship the pope for all I care :p I just dont want this type of babylonian behaviour around me in my sparetime.

Jozak, in about the third post (years ago) someone asked you why you asked the question, then you spent aloberate time flaming people who answered (cursing and cussing), having read the whole thread, please tell me, what was your interest?

[RastaforChrist]

I'm white and I'm Rastafarian. I have a Catholic step-father and many catholic step-siblings and I love them very much. I have white and black white Rastafarian friends and they correspond with each other and white and black Catholics and are happy. I think your confused with Rastafarian's not liking the beliefs of white supremacists, or racists. Nut this varies. I'm sure there are Afro-Rastafarian's that don't like whites or Catholics for whatever reason, but there are just those kind of people out there. I hope that helped :)

Have a Christ Blessed day brother