how can you be sure your mind isn't lying to you? [Archive]

HerbuhLovuh

05-10-2004, 04:00 AM

In this case I would ask my own mind and not someone elses.

:)

If you don't trust your own perceptions then assume everything is a lie, and build a new life from there, is my recomendation.

Aditi

05-10-2004, 05:19 AM

tricky tricky tricky
i have often wondered the same
herbah offers some sound advice
i am prompted to offer
wtf
craZy
;)

JamesM

05-10-2004, 05:25 AM

:confused: You cant, You just have to listen to the voices and ask no questions.

HerbuhLovuh

05-10-2004, 05:39 AM

Well, look at some historical examples.

As far the super lovers go, they tended to light themselves on fire or be hammered to a cros just to show that nothing matters. But that, does it matter? You tell me.

Blue Lobster

05-10-2004, 01:59 PM

How can you tell that everything you think happened to you up to this point right now actually happened or whether they were all just a false memory.
You can't. You can't even be sure that 1 second ago you you were in the room you are in now. All you have is a memory. But you should probably trust your memory because that is all you have.

sassure

05-10-2004, 06:25 PM

Everyone else out there fucks us over so much, so who else can be trusted if not your own mind?

dirtybongwater

05-10-2004, 07:40 PM

i dont mind my mind lying to me, it keeps me entertained

Peace

05-10-2004, 11:35 PM

I trust my mind, if i didnt i wouldnt know who to believe.

DharmaBum

05-11-2004, 01:08 AM

How can your mind lie to yourself?..i dont get it..you seem to think that the mind and "you" are too seperate entity's?...what you think is what you are.

Aditi

05-11-2004, 02:00 AM

my mind is not me but mine

HerbuhLovuh

05-11-2004, 07:40 AM

My mind is not mind and definitely not mind!!!

billhicksrulez

05-11-2004, 12:59 PM

How can your mind lie to yourself?..i dont get it..you seem to think that the mind and "you" are too seperate entity's?...what you think is what you are.

This made me think of something I thought about before:

Say, you lose your arm.
Shit, but it is you who loses the arm. Say, you lose a leg too, Xshit, but still it is you who loses it. So you have you, plus 2 seperate limbs. Say, you have just the chest and the head attached to eachother, and they got seperated, did YOU lose your head or your chest?

DharmaBum

05-12-2004, 04:02 PM

Billhicksrulez i think you've managed to confuse yourself even more than me!.a Limb is a limb and responds to the brain's commands.if your head becomes seperated from your torso then i wouldn't worry too much about the symantics of which part you lost..cause your dead.I just dont think that their is a "you" seperate from what you are thinking.

billhicksrulez

05-13-2004, 01:53 AM

Well, that's what I am trying to find out. In fact, I think that there is one part of you that thinks, and another part that feels. And together that makes you. Your brain thinks, your hart feels. Some people will be more hartpersons, and others mind...

ok, aimmebit stoned...

oOOaliceOOo

05-13-2004, 07:01 PM

[QUOTE=Scholar_Warrior]....well?.....

Your mind can be manipulated by lots of things...drugs, dreams, other human's minds, history, lies, etc. Your soul is what's true and when you can align your mind with your soul, then your mind stops lying to you. Hmmm....what was the question?

mariecstasy

05-13-2004, 07:04 PM

your mind lies to you all the time. you have to quiet yourself and here the whisperings of the spirit and then you know the truth

crummyrummy

05-13-2004, 10:09 PM

***this Is Your Mind, I Am Not Lying To You. In A Self Addressed , Stamped Envelope, Send Me 40000 Pesos,cash*****

crummyrummy

05-14-2004, 12:55 AM

a monetary unit used in mexico

Althea

05-14-2004, 01:47 AM

I really don't feel your mind has the ability to lie to you. Although there are so called pathological liars who do start getting caught up in their own lies and even start believing the lie themselves; but this usually occurs as one component of several psychiatric syndromes.

IMO, misfiring synapsas in the brain will sometimes cause things like deja vu, forgetfullness etc.; but as far as your brain actually lying to you....I really don't think that's "normal" unless you have some kind of underlying condition.

renee

05-14-2004, 06:47 PM

....well?.....Good and bad... pick one... lol

Crystaleyez

05-15-2004, 02:22 AM

1 word.....delusional.....

alex714

05-20-2004, 09:08 PM

Peace

05-21-2004, 03:17 AM

This made me think of something I thought about before:

Say, you lose your arm.
Shit, but it is you who loses the arm. Say, you lose a leg too, Xshit, but still it is you who loses it. So you have you, plus 2 seperate limbs. Say, you have just the chest and the head attached to eachother, and they got seperated, did YOU lose your head or your chest?Our mind doesn't belong in the body. It just happens to be there at the current moment.

Maybe when you're dreaming you're mind is just leaving you're body. Ever think about that?

KiraBear

05-24-2004, 03:00 PM

Somehow I feel trapped in "The Matrix" .But I often thought ,myself,Am I dreaming or am I awake.Certain things just feel like a dream and you will wake up and nothing will be the same.. either you will wake up old and remembering youth,you wake up as a child after seeing what could be.Or you could wake up and be a total different person as far as look and social status and think " what a nightmare .. that was a terrible dream.I am glad I am not that person. " Or " Damn , I wish I could be like that person in that dream." lol.. I kow it makes no sense ,possibly, but that is what I feel like .. is this real or just some crazy dream.. lol .Myself,I am not sure what to believe anymore. With the world like it is today,I hope I wake up and it was all a nightmare .But then again there are alot of things I did.. or think I did , That I would never change for anything in the world. But, you can ignore this completely.. Just my thoughts.

strawpuppy

05-26-2004, 06:17 AM

Someone said...

"I think therefore I am"

When the circles get too small, it's a good place to start from again!
The ultimate question is:
What is it all about?
My answer to date is:
Whatever you want it to be, but be cautious, the more knowledge you gain, the more terrifying the answers......................
I think it's the way folks like us think.... wish I could stop having this super fast brain that keeps searching for the truth, cause all I've learned is that the more you know, the bigger the landscape gets!

Tripped on the good stuff in the sixties and never been right since.....
Sure glad you are here so I know I'm not alone.
WARNING:
Do not force anything on anyone...If it shits up do you really want to spend the rest of your life with that trip...Go easy on yourself and others, after all, we only have each other to know who we are by. Keep you inner peace: (think about it)

NaykidApe

05-26-2004, 06:31 AM

Shit, most of the problems in the world are caused by ppl who believe their own minds inspite of what their senses (if they have any) tell them.

HerbuhLovuh

05-26-2004, 07:21 AM

*herbal grunts and looks around, all kinds of people are around him but he does not seem to realize I am who I am.
"Did my senses just say that!"
Was that a question?

white ginger

05-27-2004, 10:07 AM

the when the circles-get-too-small etc. thing is good. but i'd go farther than that. or even less far, depending on your perspective.

Just Breathe.

try it. try it for an hour. don't think. just breathe. You aren't required to think to live... but breathing is highly recommended, so start there. and relax while you're at it.

Tamee

06-03-2004, 01:04 AM

Your mind is all you got, why not trust it, even though it may be wrong. But I don't think it is.

Dr. Lecter

06-11-2004, 10:11 PM

Woog

06-15-2004, 03:35 PM

You are on an alien ship and this delusion is being fed to
you to keep you quiet during the long trip back to their
planet where they will keep you in this perpetually while
they complete the experiments. BTW, I'm one of the
aliens fooling around with your console.

white ginger

06-15-2004, 08:51 PM

lol
could be, you know

stoner

08-02-2005, 01:31 AM

hell if I know :p

Green

08-02-2005, 01:36 AM

....well?.....
My mind lies to me all the time. So no, you can't be sure.

NaykidApe

08-02-2005, 03:03 AM

I know my mind doesn't lie to me (Although I wish it would to see how good at lying it is) because any time is does, it causes my penis to grow an inch, just like Pinocchio's nose. And my penis is still so small that obviously, my mind has been very honest.
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon14.gif This demonstration of honesty restores my faith in whatever it is I used to have faith in.

My mind is only good for lieing or telling me jokes so if it isn't funny I know I better not listen to it.

SaraiLoruhamah

08-02-2005, 04:09 AM

well, what do you think your mind is lying to you about? I have arguments with my mind all the time and I always come up with a better comeback than the last, I call it reasoning, The Great Arguement never ends as I am always searching for a better answer.. Every now and then I get trapped in my mind and start to question my existence, its kinda scary.

cphish

08-02-2005, 10:28 PM

i ask myself this all the time and it really scares me.

like i said in another thread, sometimes i say things and then only afterwards can i realize if they are true or not. i can make my mind think anything so i dont have a truthful grasp sometimes...god i hate it, i wish i could change it somehow.
I think about this ALL the time, Everything I say I can actually change, I can make myself think anything I want, sometimes it confuses me love wise if that makes any sense at all, What I mean is say you are in a relationship and the guys breaks up with you or vice versa, whatever, and of course there heartbroken or w/e, and of course they cry and think they need them in there life, but really they don't at all, u make urself think that, and can say and think u need anyone, but really do u.....yah I pretty much just confused myself, but any thoughts on this?

white ginger

08-03-2005, 10:09 PM

Cphish, if I didn't think about the same thing, I would have had no idea what you were running on about. Try using a couple periods next time :p
but yes, I know what you mean. Like, am I in denial that I'm heartbroken about this person? Does feeling this way mean that soon at some slight stress I'm going to realize how distressed I actually am, etc.

Mike87

08-04-2005, 04:02 AM

You want to find out what really goes on with human perception and reality then watch the movie What The Bleep Do We Know.

fullybaked

08-08-2005, 11:42 PM

good question

Jack_Straw2208

08-10-2005, 09:32 PM

This made me think of something I thought about before:

Say, you lose your arm.
Shit, but it is you who loses the arm. Say, you lose a leg too, Xshit, but still it is you who loses it. So you have you, plus 2 seperate limbs. Say, you have just the chest and the head attached to eachother, and they got seperated, did YOU lose your head or your chest?
you lose your head, because your torso is teh center, where everything branches off from, and where a bunch of organs and whatnot are.