Scientology

[clockworkorangeagain]

what do you guys know and think about it.....

[Soulless||Chaos]

I have no idea wtf it is... :confused:
WTF mate? Fucking kangaroos.

[Lodui]

I think religious tolerance is gay. Scientology is dumb as hell. :H

[clockworkorangeagain]

no way?

well u would probs find it interesting..but they are adamantly against the work of psychology.... and it gets very deep into past lives...overts....etc...things that hold u back so you can release it...it's hard to find out alot about unless you have direct contact with the books

[lynsey]

i just know the ads in the christian science monitor and they seem kinda weird.

[KozmicBlue]

There was this kid in my class in junior high, whose parents were scientologists.. I think. It seemed a wee bit strange. :p

[sooty_the_kat]

ive read a bit about it

i think its g-g-a-a-a-y-y

[BraveSirRubin]

I just see it as a bullshit attempt at a renovation of universal religions with some mix of Dale Carnegie ethics.

[clockworkorangeagain]

I think religious tolerance is gay. Scientology is dumb as hell. :H
it wasnt started as a religion...from what i have learnt i dont believ it to be so much a religion as a huge learning process and a greater awareness of life...it gets kinda spooky though,,and extremely confrontational

[yummy]

don't they charge you for books and to take tests....

[clockworkorangeagain]

i think so..dont know..i am getting second hand information and just find some of the concept interesting..dont think i would invest..but i like to know about it

[Soulless||Chaos]

Sounds pretty lame, I want none of it.

[clockworkorangeagain]

too bad..i shall find u in ur dreams and scientologise you anyway! LOL!

[Soulless||Chaos]

Ummmm.. No. :D

[stephaniesomewhere]

the belief that you chose where you are in life in some former incarnation is what annoys me...that people who are poor and starving chose it and that people who are rich successful superstars chose that...just annoys the hell out of me and makes me think that the rich successful people are just trying to make themselves feel better about the world. I also don't like the alien conciousness part of it all, and the levels, that you climb up levels, and all the gobbedygook that goes with it...and the fact that it's founder was L.Ron Hubbard, man his science fiction books were bad enough but then he had to go and inflict this philosophy on us!!!

generally an annoying bunch of people I am afraid...but probaly ultimately harmless if they leave me alone!!
:X

[Lodui]

it wasnt started as a religion...from what i have learnt i dont believ it to be so much a religion as a huge learning process and a greater awareness of life...it gets kinda spooky though,,and extremely confrontational
Didn't mean to tread on your beliefs or anything. Sometimes my keyboard types really rude things all by itself.

Sorry. :H

[clockworkorangeagain]

Didn't mean to tread on your beliefs or anything. Sometimes my keyboard types really rude things all by itself.

Sorry. :H
hehe they are not my beliefs! i am just learning! i learn about all things and then use bits of information that i like and discard what i dont!


stephaniesomewhere: it is not just scientology that suggests the theory we choose our circumstances....but some people might choose bad circumstances to prove they can beat it...maybe they can, maybe they cant..some hollywood stasrs weren't born rich u know!

[stephaniesomewhere]

yup...I know it's not just scientology that has this as one of their beliefs but we were talking about them particularly...this belief annoys me whatever religion/philosophy it appears in....I just don't like it....something about it feels wrong to me...lacking in compassion maybe...or lacking in desire to change and better the world...not sure exactly why but it just does...
:H
and his books just plain suck!!!
:X

[HerbuhLovuh]

i read dianetics and took some courses once
in the end i saw it all boilded down to money
and that they would go to extortionary lengths to get into your wallet and life

[Mr MiGu]

i read dianetics and took some courses once
in the end i saw it all boilded down to money
and that they would go to extortionary lengths to get into your wallet and life
sounds like most religions

[clockworkorangeagain]

yeah fuck that part of it...but did you enjoy what you learnt...that aspect?

[yummy]

please katy ...stop pushing your religion on us....:confused:

[clockworkorangeagain]

haha shaddup dick face! as if i am..i am just slightly curious about it! (Dont expose me you fool! haha you dont know what you're messing with!)

[yummy]

haha shaddup dick face! as if i am..i am just slightly curious about it! (Dont expose me you fool! haha you dont know what you're messing with!) yeah ....i would assume the same chick i IM....stop trying to act tough...lol:rolleyes:

[clockworkorangeagain]

shutup! im not acting tough..i was messing around..now if you have any further insults i expect them in msn form! dont expose me to all my fans...lol!! haha i crack myself up with my bullshit!

[yummy]

sorry...:rolleyes:

[clockworkorangeagain]

haha...im in one of "those" moods today!

[yummy]

haha...im in one of "those" moods today! the i want to get nakid and send whispers nuddies mood?:p

[clockworkorangeagain]

haha u know i am never in "that" mood...that would be the "hell just froze over" mood!

[Soulless||Chaos]

So.. When you getting yahoo orangepearyetagain whatever trhe fuck? :D

[clockworkorangeagain]

hmmm well i dont have a comp at home with internet anymore......you can call me katy if u want..unless u likes to mes wit my user name.....but u will c..in time i may have yahoo! we shall c shall c

[Soulless||Chaos]

Why don't you use the web client? :rolleyes: And why don't you have net access at home? Don't they have any free internet crap in the outback? :rolleyes:

[BlackGuardXIII]

what do you guys know and think about it.....When LRH was still just a sci-fi novel writer, he once was quoted as saying if you want to make a million dollars, start a religion. Then he took his own advice.
Wha? Weah? If it is good enuff for Vinnie Barbarino.....
I took a course at the Vanc. branch, but quit before I completed it.
They teach a lot of good stuff, but I found the $$ seemed to be the major focus of their 'religion' Not my cuppa.

[clockworkorangeagain]

Why don't you use the web client? :rolleyes: And why don't you have net access at home? Don't they have any free internet crap in the outback? :rolleyes:
i live in a city ! Woohoo for me!

and i dont have a comp at home...that is why i am thinkin gof getting a laptop but need to think on it for awhile....and get as much advice as possible!

[ihmurria]

I don't really trust most celebrity-endorsed religions. I mean, it's not that they're automatically bad, but they always come off as being a fad. 'sides, my spirituality is part of me, not somethign someone can tell me to believe (or make me pay them to believe). I've read a fair bit about other religions, especially ones from past cultures (like the Ancient Egyptians) and ones that aren't too common on North America (Zoroastrianism etc).... what made sense to my brain and heart I've kept with me, and discarded the rest. that's just how I deal with it.

[clockworkorangeagain]

When LRH was still just a sci-fi novel writer, he once was quoted as saying if you want to make a million dollars, start a religion. Then he took his own advice.
Wha? Weah? If it is good enuff for Vinnie Barbarino.....
I took a course at the Vanc. branch, but quit before I completed it.
They teach a lot of good stuff, but I found the $$ seemed to be the major focus of their 'religion' Not my cuppa.

yes the money part really detracts from the philosophy.....

[Soulless||Chaos]

Buying a computer is easy, get the best stuff possible in your price range. :rolleyes: They have cities in the outback? :confused: I thought you people lived in huts and such? :confused:

[clockworkorangeagain]

Buying a computer is easy, get the best stuff possible in your price range. :rolleyes: They have cities in the outback? :confused: I thought you people lived in huts and such? :confused:

haha shaddup....actually i did live in a hut my dad built as a kid..lol....
and on a yacht! haha my life is more interesting then yours you american white trash lol!

[Soulless||Chaos]

I may be american, but I am not white trash. Do you see me living in a trailer with a mullet drinking cheap beer and watching nascar? :rolleyes: Fucking outback white trash. :rolleyes:

[BlackGuardXIII]

yes the money part really detracts from the philosophy.....
After each class, I would always have to sit through a 5 minute interview to see what I thought of it, how I was doing, etc. and I would say that the teacher I had was pissing me off, and I was bored to tears, etc.
One day I *cough*accidentally*cough* let it slip out that I was about to receive a windfall of $16 000 from the sale of a house. The next week, at my interview, they had 'concluded' that I needed to take a certain set of courses and then I would be way better off mentally, spiritually, etc. By coincidence, they added up to $16 000. When I asked why, they were very earnestly trying to convince me that it was becuz they wanted the best for me, which meant getting maximum benefit from my money, but I balked, walked, and talked about it to many many folks.

[clockworkorangeagain]

After each class, I would always have to sit through a 5 minute interview to see what I thought of it, how I was doing, etc. and I would say that the teacher I had was pissing me off, and I was bored to tears, etc.
One day I *cough*accidentally*cough* let it slip out that I was about to receive a windfall of $16 000 from the sale of a house. The next week, at my interview, they had 'concluded' that I needed to take a certain set of courses and then I would be way better off mentally, spiritually, etc. By coincidence, they added up to $16 000. When I asked why, they were very earnestly trying to convince me that it was becuz they wanted the best for me, which meant getting maximum benefit from my money, but I balked, walked, and talked about it to many many folks.

thats fucking crazy shite!


I may be american, but I am not white trash. Do you see me living in a trailer with a mullet drinking cheap beer and watching nascar? :rolleyes: Fucking outback white trash. :rolleyes:


oh come now...as if i can see you! hey im reformed outback!

[BlackGuardXIII]

thats fucking crazy shite!


I may be american, but I am not white trash. Do you see me living in a trailer with a mullet drinking cheap beer and watching nascar? :rolleyes: Fucking outback white trash. :rolleyes:


oh come now...as if i can see you! hey im reformed outback!
Should I have dropped the 16 G's on the courses and seen what happened?

[clockworkorangeagain]

Should I have dropped the 16 G's on the courses and seen what happened?
fuck no! you know that answer!

they were stupid for being so obvious...they should have milked away at you over time..lol!

[Soulless||Chaos]

So how do you go about starting a religion anyway? :D

[clockworkorangeagain]

So how do you go about starting a religion anyway? :D

you have to have ideas for one! and be very persuasive!

follow me young one..i shall show you the way...just come into my study and we shall speak long thorughout the night


LOL!

[BlackGuardXIII]

fuck no! you know that answer!

they were stupid for being so obvious...they should have milked away at you over time..lol!
When I first went there they gave me a test to see what level of growth I was at, and the results were made into a line graph. I cheekily decided to answer the questions with what I thought they would want to hear rather than what I really felt.
The test was 200 questions, I think.
the graph came back as a straight line across the very top of the graph, with only one category, certainty, having a dip.
It was like I got 99% on it. But they explained how that wasn't really all that good, and I needed to take lots of courses. lol
Damn right I knew the answer......lol
It was fun while it lasted though.

[BlackGuardXIII]

So how do you go about starting a religion anyway? :D
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[clockworkorangeagain]

did they try and use a piece of equipment to take you into past lives and past happenings in this life?

and overts? explain this to me?

[Soulless||Chaos]

you have to have ideas for one! and be very persuasive!

follow me young one..i shall show you the way...just come into my study and we shall speak long thorughout the night


LOL!
I've explained my ideas before, I'm sure you remember, I bet it could sell.. :H

[clockworkorangeagain]

I've explained my ideas before, I'm sure you remember, I bet it could sell.. :H
im pretty sure it already has..all u can do is expand...and there would be a hell of a lot of work involved!

[BlackGuardXIII]

did they try and use a piece of equipment to take you into past lives and past happenings in this life?

and overts? explain this to me?
The two 'tin cans' wired to a sort of polygraph type machine that they interpret the needle movements while asking you questions? I couldn't afford it, I think it was like $60 a session, and I had already spent something like $300 on the one course, and 6 books needed for it. This was in 1988, so I would have to brush up on overts, engrams, clear, the OT levels, etc. but I do know that at the higher levels you learn about the alien origins of humanity, etc that go back millions of years or something.
They do actually teach a lot of good stuff, and have a successful drug detox system that I believe Kelsey Grammar used years ago. The closest religion to it, as far as philosophy goes, imho, back then, was Buddhism.

[BlackGuardXIII]

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[clockworkorangeagain]

yes that is why i am interested in learning a little more...only not at my expense! lol!

apparantly at level 15 you are levittating etc...i have heard that the earth is the lowest planet and we were placed here merely to perve....and a few other things... the information i have is sporadic...

[Soulless||Chaos]

did you see my church idea post?its back 5 posts........whaddaya think?
Yeah, I think you have the marketing part down! :D

[clockworkorangeagain]

did you see my church idea post?its back 5 posts........whaddaya think?
the part where you dont care what we believe - we ll why would we pay - but it is good..only it is great to learn from other religions just for a way of thinking..as long as u r not blindly following and dedicating your whole life to one narrow viewpoint, when you can open ur mind up to the possibility of everything and nothing at all.....so much more space up there to float around in!

[BlackGuardXIII]

yes that is why i am interested in learning a little more...only not at my expense! lol!

apparantly at level 15 you are levittating etc...i have heard that the earth is the lowest planet and we were placed here merely to perve....and a few other things... the information i have is sporadic...
I think in 88 they were only up to level 13 or so....and I am the same way. I just dont think its right to buy salvation.....If there is a god, I cant see him charging people to enter the pearly gates......and if he does, I aint payin.
If you are right about why we were left here..........then I am doing pretty darn good!

[BlackGuardXIII]

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[clockworkorangeagain]

haha yeah..i dont believe in salvation...but i do believ in reincarnation because i believe we have to learn something here before we move on and if we do not learn it we have a lot of work ahead of us...the current reflection of the world means to many ppl arent learning their lessons.....

but i believ god to be the encompassment of everything all good and bad....non judgemental..for everything we think and feel god must think and feel....if there is to be such thing as unity..

[BlackGuardXIII]

Personally, reincarnation is my choice too, as the most likely mechanism for spiritual progress.
What I don't have a clue about is what lessons I need focus on....and what I should not focus on......lol I guess independence could be one of them lol, since I seem to be mostly left to my own devices, and only get intervention when I really f up bad and Uriel or whoever has to save my sorry ass. The rest of the time I think they're watching from the top level of the bleechers, silently observing, and likely playing backgammon when I bore them.....
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[clockworkorangeagain]

haha ur a dag! u just wont give up will ya?
LOL

well yeah maybe independance is something you have always had and may need to learn to be more co-dependant..thou im sure that is against everything you and i believ! lol but um are you enjoying your quest?

[crummyrummy]

its a pyramid scheme.

[clockworkorangeagain]

its a pyramid scheme.
well yes essentially....bloody pyramids!

[Antimatter235]

its the most massive scam i ever heard of. A big parasite of society.
But its only a scam. they don't steal, people give money. It's their fault.