Why is mescaline so scarce?

[LSDawson]

(and acid for that matter, although that is a discussion for another day, im exhausted from thinking about the lack of good acid and acid in general today)


anyway, why is it that mescaline is so damn scarce?? and to those of you who are a bit older and were able to experience times of mescaline, what was the mesc scene like in it's peak. was it easy to find? was it always legit?

walking in place,
Dawson

[Nathan11]

i'd like to hear people's stories on tripping mesc

[SweeperOfDreams13]

i'd like to hear people's stories on tripping mesc
Here are a bunch of trip reports.



I also have been wanting to try mesc for a while, but good luck getting it around here. Maybe if I go to Toronto... Maybe.

[2cesarewild]

Mescaline is scarce because it can't make money. The underground drug market, save most of the lsd trade, is propelled by the desire to get rich. Mescaline requires high dosages, and from what I understand, you get low yields.

[2cesarewild]

Most of the shit people say they've taken as mescaline, is almost always LSD. I've even talked to hippies who were alive in the drug heyday of the late 60s through the 70s who were duped into buying microdots of LSD, under the impression that it was mescaline. Plus, today, some rc's are like the mescaline experience.

[Weinberg43]

Hello I am wondering what are good things to trip off of. Usually I go field hunting with my guide book for mushrooms but season wont start for a while and I dont want to wait. Preferably something that doesnt leave me vunlurable for getting caught like with Ketamine. Lsd is too powerful in my opinion and my brother told me about this one man who took it once and tripped for the rest of his life. I read on one website you could buzz/ trip off of green tea. I didnt have the leaves so I just smoked the little packets. I emptied it out and lit it up. Unfortunately all that happened was I got a massive headache and had that strange taste in my mouth from smoking. Morning glory seeds are fun but once again very powerful and once again not in season. Help me out if you would be kind enough.

[2cesarewild]

Michael thank you for that regurgitation of things we're all aware of. Anywho, weinberg, no one has ever eaten acid and 'tripped' forever. Some people have had underlying mental problems that surface due to their use of the drug. However, this only happens in a small number of users. Some people have developed schizo-* disorders from their prolonged over use of lsd. Don't try to find a legal way to 'get a buzz.' Tripping isn't just having a buzz, it can get pretty intense, and besides, legal ways to get buzzes are generally pretty stupid.

[Joe Cool]

and besides, legal ways to get buzzes are generally pretty stupid.
like nutmeg

....fuck

[Mr Mojo Risin']

Nutmeg.. is just strange.. I never fancied taking large amounts of it. But I am not in to feeling spaced, I want to experience something. Ayahuasca/DMT, LSD and Mushrooms and a like are where it's (±§~it~±§'s) at .

You should be careful about just smoking something like Green tea, if it gives you a headache it is probably cos it's toxic, just because somethng is edible doesn't mean you can smoke it, chemical changes take place when something burns, be careful.

[goofydrummer]

the reason there is no mesc. or L
is because it's not lucritive anymore, and the penalty is harsh

chemists make speed and E, because it's easier, and it makes big bucks

there are only 2 or 3 people in the whole world who still make L

even when LSD was readily available, only a certain small cross section of people would eat it.
and most customers would only try it a few times

unlike with meth and E, where people gobble it up for 20 bucks a hit

and the stuff doesn't even compare to lsd

E-pills killed the acid industry

michael im just curious...i have seen acid many times and ive seen people trip acid many times (it is quite obvious they are not faking). If acid is so scarce that only 2 or 3 people make it, what is it that my friends are getting. possibly a dirty version on lsd?

[2cesarewild]

Although there are only a handful of labs in the world that make LSD, it is being made and distributed. Michael is just messed.

[Weatherman]

I read an article a while back which basically stated that while acid is still in good supply, the actual chemical LSD is not. Why? Because the people making it aren't exactly the second incarnations of Oswely. The acid that is made is a broken down version of LSD, various analogues possibly. Still makes you trip your balls off though.

[Schlüßelberg]

I read an article a while back which basically stated that while acid is still in good supply, the actual chemical LSD is not. Why? Because the people making it aren't exactly the second incarnations of Oswely. The acid that is made is a broken down version of LSD, various analogues possibly. Still makes you trip your balls off though.
So what do you believe acid is?

[crimson sun dance]

i like how everyones voice sounds monstrouse on peyote its pretty funny

[GTA83]

Pure Mesc is one of the most clear minded and spiritual trips, the shear profoundness of shrooms, with the energy of acid, and the great body buzz somewhat reminiscent of E. At least in my opinion.

It feels very earthy and as if wherever you are is home. I never experienced much visuals with it at the dose I had, but it made colors especially greens much brighter and gave micoscopic vision qualitys, there was some definate pattern distortion also.

I fell in love with the outdoors after that experience, and it seemed to make you see the beauty in the world and man's role withen it seemed highly comical. When the four hour peak was over after a few more hours you seem to enter a self anylitical phase about yourself, but you don't get upset about things that are wrong you just take it as sompthing learned and think about how to fix it, and usually after both experiences i followed through completly.

[*CHAMELEON*]

Mescaline is not scarce.One may find a legal source at your local nursery.
The sacred San Pedro cactus also known as trichocereus pachanoi. There are however 10 other trichocereus cacti species that contain mescaline in useable amounts sufficient enough for a estatic journey.A plant of about 18 inches will run you around 15 dollars and is sufficent for three to four journeys.Or one or two strong experiences.
http://k04.com/pics/000Trichocereuspachanoi%20w.jpg

[PLyTheMan]

My mom has a cactus that looks alot like that! She's had it for quite a while, since she was in her teens, I think, but its never grown too big because its still in the same small pot. I think we're going to transplant it soon though we probably wont ever try to trip from it, she'd be upset if I hurt the little cacti =P

[2cesarewild]

Mescaline is not scarce.One may find a legal source at your local nursery.
The sacred San Pedro cactus also known as trichocereus pachanoi. There are however 10 other trichocereus cacti species that contain mescaline in useable amounts sufficient enough for a estatic journey.A plant of about 18 inches will run you around 15 dollars and is sufficent for three to four journeys.Or one or two strong experiences.
http://k04.com/pics/000Trichocereuspachanoi%20w.jpg


We weren't talking about cactii, we're talking about synthetic mescaline.

[august west]

forgive my ignorance,but isnt mescaline from the lophiplori williamsi cactus,not the san pedro?i"ve partaken of san pedro(interesting trip)but not the williamsi.both are easily available (ebay and garden centres)and very cheap!

[2cesarewild]

Mescaline is the main active alkaloid in both cactii. Peyote is illegal in America, and hard to obtain in most places.

[eat_some_LSD]

Not really...San Pedro and Peruvian Torch are actually both more accesible than savia.

I find the experience to be rather over-hyped...it's definitely enjoyable, but 450 mgs still doesn't hold a candle to LSD or 2-CE...

[2cesarewild]

I meant peyote is hard to find.. I really don't know anyone who can get it besides canadians and people way down south...

[MagicSwhirlingShip]

i can get peyote in CT. Its kind of rare and when it comes around its expensive. Ive never tried it but its defently there.

[2cesarewild]

lol.. well I can get it at something like 50 bucks per living 5 year old plant around here... I'm straight, I don't want to grow them, I want to eat them, and 200+ dollars for one trip just isn't right. Nobody has ever offered me dried buttons for a reasonable price... at Bonnaroo some guy offered me peyote tea he said for 25 bucks he'd give me a dose that would have had me flying... the only thing I had to offer him were my shoes though... and I really like my torn up hemp adidas lol.

[Schlüßelberg]

lol.. well I can get it at something like 50 bucks per living 5 year old plant around here... I'm straight, I don't want to grow them, I want to eat them, and 200+ dollars for one trip just isn't right. Nobody has ever offered me dried buttons for a reasonable price... at Bonnaroo some guy offered me peyote tea he said for 25 bucks he'd give me a dose that would have had me flying... the only thing I had to offer him were my shoes though... and I really like my torn up hemp adidas lol.A friend of mine picked up a kilo of dried Peruvian Torch a few months back for, if I remember right, 300 clams. He gave another friend 20 grams, and my friend reported a righteous buzz, but the nausea was a problem for him as far as it interfered with achieving the state he wanted to be in.

There is simply NO substitute for Hoffman's Psychedelic Elixar. None. Bop 'till ya drop with the tried and true.

Of course, my bud says he hasn't visited the mushroom world for a while, since sterile growing conditions in his corner of the universe aren't achievable. So it goes.

BTW, 2ce's, PM me. Seems we think alike on a lot of things.

[tumbledownDNA]

man now i have to get some... mescaline actually just came around in cactus form... these kids are selling capsules of the dried plant material they got off line or something. im sure its the real thing one kid took it out and it tasted bitter as hell. you have to take like 12 to trip and 15 to trip hard. from those who've taken it they say its a really hard trip but way more mellow than acid and the body buzz feels like jello. i hope i can get my hands on some.

[2cesarewild]

Do it up man.. my friends were telling me 2ce made them feel like jello. Actually, "melty" was the word heh.

[timeoutofmind]

moved

[2cesarewild]

Finally found some dried buttons crushed into powder. Peyote I mean. Can't wait to sample it.

[Schlüßelberg]

Let us know what you think, bro.

[2cesarewild]

I most definitely will.

[citrus_seas]

mescaline isn't scarce at all, here. i live about 25 minutes away from a native american reserve. they have all kinds of it there

[nesta]

just ordered some peruvian torch, personally. can't wait, but i'm a little cautious about it. i wish i could get a purer extracted version of it....its supposed to be tough making a cactus extract though.....perhaps i'll dry it and put it in jello. i've heard that works well for masking the taste, and it would be easier to down than a bunch of capsules, and i can't fathom eating it like corn on the cob!

[Schlüßelberg]

The capsule route isn't particularly elegant, and just grinding it up and eating it is no better than capping it.

The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics says mesc is soluble in ethanol. Might be a start.

I'm not a fan of the "purge and learn" school. Vomiting just isn't fun for me. It doesn't have to be that way. All that plant material sitting in your gut while your trying to attain a +3 just ain't fun to me. The extracts are much more benign, IMO.

OF course, LSD is the best molecule, but I don't know where to find it, so...

Maybe I should cultivate some Boomers?

[2cesarewild]

mescaline isn't scarce at all, here. i live about 25 minutes away from a native american reserve. they have all kinds of it there
:Sigh:, again the thread says mescaline, not mescaline containing cactii. Again, Mescaline is rarely produced for the underground drug market because it is a low yield high dosage substance.

[Schlüßelberg]

Exactly, 2 ces. And while it's a fairly easy synthesis, the cost of the precursors eats up any profit. And we both know how important profit is to dealers. Not Hippies. Dealers.

Also, can't have stuff out there that makes people flash (do y'all use that word? means puke.) Other than opioids, of course. With them, it's expected.

Also, it just, in the grande scheme of things, isn't very sexy. Mescaline, you have to work for your epiphanies. Unless you have It's a Beautiful Day on the turntable.

[jesikhaviolet]

its just like acid, but weaker, so you take more.
i can't come by it anymore. my very good friend and dealer recently got in a lot of trouble and is laying low for a while, never to return to the drug scene. that's who i've got it from in the past

[2cesarewild]

Exactly, 2 ces. And while it's a fairly easy synthesis, the cost of the precursors eats up any profit. And we both know how important profit is to dealers. Not Hippies. Dealers.
I wish more people understood this really simple concept. No matter how many times people say it on here though, there's always someone who is like "ya rite meskaleen is ezy to get, i get microdots of it all the tyme."

Also, can't have stuff out there that makes people flash (do y'all use that word? means puke.) Other than opioids, of course. With them, it's expected.Yea that's what sucks about most of the phens IMO.

[TokeTrip]

I've only been able to get peyote once, and I payed $40 each, for 10 buttons. I had sold a few (3 ounces) of weed that same day, so I had a shade over $1000, and I was in a pretty loose mood (i.e. right after a paycheck, etc.). I'd never tried peyote/mescaline-cacti before, and it seemed like a good thing to do once; it turned out to be great. Best trip of my life. I'd trade a sheet of acid for another 10 buttons, to put it in perspective. I've never seen it around town since, but I ask a lot. Go figure. Shrooms are much cheaper (and I grow some, and it's reasonably easy, once you have a glovebox).

If you want a slightly cheaper, slightly-less-cool-than-peyote experience, go out and buy a 12 inch cutting of san pedro. Notch out the needles (those carrot skinners work great) and peel off the skin. Take the cactus, chop & grind. Soak in an 2 part ethanol, 1 part water solution. Make sure the lid is closed. Repeat 2-3 more times. Strain out the pulp, and you have a liquid. Heat it to 150*C, a fume hood / fan might not be a bad idea, I personally have one of those stove hot-air puller things. You should be left with some nasty goo. Of course, concentrations vary, so some enhancers are in order. I suggest syrian rue seeds. 3-5g of syrian rue, with your mescaline goo will send you pretty close to the moon (peyote experience). Of course, your exp may differ, and something is special about peyote... so... yeah. Some people say peruvian torch contains more mescaline; I wouldn't know. Give it a shot, it's cheap.

[ihavenoideawhatsgoin]

Is Peyote legal in canada?

[2cesarewild]

I've only been able to get peyote once, and I payed $40 each, for 10 buttons.

Did you do a total weight of the bag by any chance? Were they fresh or dried?

[2cesarewild]

Is Peyote legal in canada?

I think so, I've seen suppliers of peyote who ship to canada, so I think so. Double check through some googling.

[earthfluff]

Peyote is NOT legal in Canada...however, it's not quite illegal either... definately a grey area. You can purchase peyote cacti at particular places, living cacti that is... but once you harvest the button, it becomes illegal. The only way it's completely legal is if you're Native American and even then, you can't share it or sell it. Probably the reason that you see that companies will ship peyote to Canada is for the use by Natives. In particular the Church of Native Americans claims it as a sacrament. There was a case a little while ago that i'm pretty sure took place in Canada... a father wanted to make his son take a peyote trip but the son didn't want to... the son was under 18 (i think he like 12 or 13 or something) and it actually went to court...not because of the fathers use of peyote but for the father forcing his son to take it. Needless to say, the family was Native American.
Somebody please correct me if i'm wrong on this.

[angerton]

Mescaline is illegal in Canada (obviously).

Peyote is specifically declared legal, though. Like earthfluff said, this is void upon the harvesting or in any way preparing of a button.

From what I've heard the actual plant was made legal during Canada's drug legislation peroid because of the aspects of ritual use. Native Americans made a good case for it, and in order to prevent future laws protecting it's usage, the specific plant was legalized from the start. In the eyes of the law, an overturn of peyote for ritualistic use down the line could result in attempts to make other things like cannabis and mushrooms legal for the purposes of belief.

[2cesarewild]

O i c. Sort of like how mushrooms used to be legal in the UK til they were prepared. Then they passed that law, sucks for them.

[Sarkaz]

a few friends and i are lookin into mesc and we found directions from a reliable source on how to synth it but we dont know where to get the ingrediants. and we are in no way looking to turn profit... were all communists here and hate the idea as it is. we are looking for a good trip.

any tips?

we are outside of chicago and have found no where to get any cacti from so we are left to this option.

peace,
Sarkaz

edit: what can one do to improve a trip? any activities one could partake in. we love to chill to music and sometimes play video games. or there is always "lets see who can actually pick up the chain mail vest now" game (long story) or there is the lets listen to the STS play the guitar (good god) or the "your friend who just left called and said he is getting attacked by zombies" (the guy who left was clean and trying to fuck with us and the STS and the other guy with me was freakin out, but as it is i dont get stirred up easily even when im straight so i was all like awwwww music)

sorry rabbled on a bit... but any tips on this too?

[angerton]

I assume by synth you mean extract?

[Sarkaz]

no i mean by syth as to sythisise or a synthetic. not natural

[2cesarewild]

By "ingredients" what exactly do you mean? Precursors?

[Sarkaz]

HERE IS THE SYNTHESIS: A solution of 20 g 3,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde, 40 mL nitromethane, and 20 mL cyclohexylamine in 200 mL of acetic acid was heated on the steam bath for 1 h. The reaction mixture was then diluted slowly and with good stirring, with 400 mL H2O, which allowed the formation of a heavy yellow crystalline mass. This was removed by filtration, washed with H2O, and sucked as dry as possible. Recrystallization from boiling MeOH (15 mL/g) yielded, after filtration and air drying, beta-nitro-3,4,5-trimethoxystyrene as bright yellow crystals weighing 18.5 g. An alternate synthesis was effective, using an excess of nitromethane as solvent as well as reagent, if the amount of ammonium acetate catalysis was kept small. A solution of 20 g 3,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde in 40 mL nitromethane containing 1 g anhydrous ammonium acetate was heated on the steam bath for 4 h. The solvent was stripped under vacuum and the residual yellow oil was dissolved in two volumes of hot MeOH, decanted from some insolubles, and allowed to cool. The crystals formed are removed by filtration, washed with MeOH and air dried yielding 14.2 g. of bright yellow crystals of beta-nitro-3,4,5-trimethoxystyrene. The use of these proportions but with 3.5 g ammonium acetate gave extensive side-reaction products even when worked up after only 1.5 h heating. The yield of nitrostyrene was, in this latter case, unsatisfactory.

To a gently refluxing suspension of 2 g LAH in 200 mL Et2O, there was added 2.4 g beta-nitro-3,4,5-trimethoxystyrene as a saturated Et2O solution by use of a Soxhlet extraction condenser modified to allow the continuous return of condensed solvent through the thimble. After the addition was complete, the refluxing conditions were maintained for another 48 h. After cooling the reaction mixture, a total of 150 mL of 1.5 N H2SO4 was cautiously added, destroying the excess hydride and ultimately providing two clear phases. These were separated, and the aqueous phase was washed once with 50 mL Et2O. There was then added 50 g potassium sodium tartrate, followed by sufficient NaOH to bring the pH >9. This was then extracted with 3x75 mL CH2Cl2, and the solvent from the pooled extracts was removed under vacuum. The residue was distilled at 120-130 °C at 0.3 mm/Hg giving a white oil that was dissolved in 10 mL IPA and neutralized with concentrated HCl. The white crystals that formed were diluted with 25 mL Et2O, removed by filtration, and air dried to provide 2.1 g 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine hydrochloride (M) as glistening white crystals. The sulfate salt formed spectacular crystals from water, but had a broad and uncharacteristic mp. An alternate synthesis can employ 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenylacetonitrile, as described under beta-D. (http://www.mescaline.com/synth/)

if i am breaking any foum rules by posting this please let me know and i will remove it ASAP.

[Immaculado]

Yeah so I definetly don't feel like reading all that shit....too much. A good place to get mescaline, The Rainbow Gathering, every summer in West Virginia. Do not go with money to buy drugs, go with things to trade. Bartering is the main source of anything while you are there. Because of the Rainbow Gathering I tripped for my first time off mescaline and had my first salvia. I know it is a long ways off time-wise and location-wise for a lot of you people but I know tons of people willing to make the trip. You can find any kind of bud, peyote, mescaline, lsd, mushrooms, pretty much anythign except there isn't too much hard stuff (meth, crack, heroine). My first and only mescaline trip was the best day of my life. When I first started feeling it I was laughing my ass off like you are real dosed up on LSD or smoked a ton of weed. But after that it got mellow and the visualizations sneak up on you. Man I can't even remember most of the things that went through my head during that trip but I concur with Huxley's title of the doors of perception. My suggestion.....make sure the night is going to be slightly cloudy where the stars are out and a little bit of clouds and get someone to push you constantly while you sit on a merry-go-round staring up. I'm telling you.....it is so good.

[angerton]

Did the mesc come in a big fat pill?

[IntenseHeat]

We weren't talking about cactii, we're talking about synthetic mescaline. no the original post SAID NOTHING ABOUT SYNTHETIC MESCALINE . wish in that case it would not be. The native american indians in the far dry west could grow it and sell it but the plants have small yield . = The main reason you dont see it. as far police goes the feds would have a tough time controling people who allready dislike them. and 3 more profit is in indian casinos and ciggarrets than the dope . "since is not like pot were tons can be grow.

[IntenseHeat]

Did the mesc come in a big fat pill? if you were lucky to find any "indians tribes in our deep west" it would be a powder right off the plant .

[IntenseHeat]

Mescaline is not scarce.One may find a legal source at your local nursery.
The sacred San Pedro cactus also known as trichocereus pachanoi. There are however 10 other trichocereus cacti species that contain mescaline in useable amounts sufficient enough for a estatic journey.A plant of about 18 inches will run you around 15 dollars and is sufficent for three to four journeys.Or one or two strong experiences.
http://k04.com/pics/000Trichocereuspachanoi%20w.jpg this is the real thing im sure the feds dont want this at your local nursery.

[2cesarewild]

no the original post SAID NOTHING ABOUT SYNTHETIC MESCALINE . wish in that case it would not be. The native american indians in the far dry west could grow it and sell it but the plants have small yield . = The main reason you dont see it. as far police goes the feds would have a tough time controling people who allready dislike them. and 3 more profit is in indian casinos and ciggarrets than the dope . "since is not like pot were tons can be grow.
Sorry I guess I should have said synthetic or extracted mescaline by itself, not cactus, cactus juice or shit like that. It's pretty implicit that's what the original poster meant, eating a foot long piece of cactus isn't most people's idea of having a mescaline experience... idk whatever.

[IntenseHeat]

IM NOT A EXPERT either but the drug comes from the flower i think not the tree juices . and looks like a yelllow pollen from a flower but here i could be wrong.

[2cesarewild]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean.. are you talking about mescaline from cacti?

[Mr Mojo Risin']

IM NOT A EXPERT either but the drug comes from the flower i think not the tree juices . and looks like a yelllow pollen from a flower but here i could be wrong.
you are correct, and that's why it is scarce, you need a lot of buds to trip properly/sufficiently and they take a long while to grow, in the UK they are generally small plants they sell that take years to get big enough to produce enough buds/balls/whatever you want to call them. I think maybe you can eat the cactus, but that is only a rumour/comment I vaguely recall sometime ago by a person I can't remember in place I also can't remember so........ I am not sure how potent it is, give me a large cactus and I'll eat for you and find out. The blender and a lot of water should do the trick.

[GD Cat]

i dunno what flowers you guys are talking about.
peyote cacti take a long time to mature. maybe you are thinking of that.

and i do consider eating cactus slime a mescaline experience. what would you call it?

synthetic mescaline is not common because, as was stated earlier, the doses are high therefor you dont make too much money off of it.

[2cesarewild]

i dunno what flowers you guys are talking about.
peyote cacti take a long time to mature. maybe you are thinking of that.Yea dude I don't know wtf they're talking about either. A poster mentioned something about trees, with flowers and yellow sap... sounds nothing like any mescaline bearing cactus, considering a tree is a tree and a cactus is a cactus lol. www.peyote.org (http://www.peyote.org/) if you guys want to learn about peyote. Mescaline is the main active alkaloid in peyote. Mescaline is a psychedelic with low potency (you need pretty high dosages to get to the same level you can with lower dosages of other chemicals). Peyote has a long history as a sacrament.

and i do consider eating cactus slime a mescaline experience. what would you call it?I call it a cactus juice experience. IDK, Although mescaline is the main ingredient that sends you to the zone, there are other things in there too. When someone says a mescaline experience, I think about eating like 500 or so milligrams of mescaline, not drinking a slimy green juice.

synthetic mescaline is not common because, as was stated earlier, the doses are high therefor you dont make too much money off of it. Once other people start to understand this, maybe there won't be so many retards trying to sell me microdots as mescaline in the lot. :D

[GD Cat]

LOL @ mescaline microdots.

ive been offered mescaline blotter and 2c-i as mescaline.

Oh well, for now ill stick to cactus.
BTW instead of drinking cactus slime i suggest you try the dried skins of peruvian torch. they work like a charm.

[2cesarewild]

Yea I was thinking about it, tried peyote this weekend. It was cool, nothing too too crazy, wish there was more at the time.

[tDJcrashd]

2ce's just FYI I'm in MA also, came across this thread and thought I'd put in my 2cents.. Unless you're sure of what you ate, I'd say you didn't actually have dried powedered peyote and it was actually a concoction a buddy of mine has been passing around against my will... he's raping people on cost, and not giving them a good experience...

what it actually is, San Pedro that has been broken down by hot bath 3-4 times, then the substrate liquid that has been taken from the pulp/cactus remains is left to dry in open air... its color is brown/green or black and is clumpy because its been broken up well... eating a damn good ammount of it will get you there, but doesn't produce the same effects of peyote, since the other alkaloids that peyote contains to produce a very original experience aren't there. The powder definitely contains mescalin, and each hit he's been selling contains approximately 325mg, along with some other dried up alkaloids that only the trichocereus pachanoi contains...

The reason I'm opening my mouth is, I am the one who showed him how to do this, gave him the idea of marketing it... but wasn't serious...

if you did truly get peyote in MA, lets hook up, because I'm tired of having to travel to AZ or the surrounding areas to enjoy that little sacrement...

as for the questions of LSD earlier in this forum.. My guess is that what you are actually getting is an LSA that has been extracted from either Morning Glories or Hawaiian baby woodrose, both an excellent high... but nothing compares to the original with the exception of eating a bunch of ergot fungus and dealing with potentially losing limbs from gangreen (spelling?)

As for the LSA it can be extracted from seeds and broken down to coat paper to resemble the old blotter acid we've all tried... or it can be broken down less and stuffed in capsules for a "GELCAP" acid... I've used just about every form of every hallucinogen, and are more than happy to help with any questions anyone might have if they're looking for a cheap way to get a legal high...

another poster mentioned that eating san pedro or peruvian torch bothered their stumach, this is most likely from consuming the skin of the dried cactus.. the skin contains some nasty chemicals that you should try not to eat, it will only give you a stumach ache.. try getting the tissue directly under the skin, without any of the skin attached, a successful yield will give you a semi-synthetic mescaline high without the nausea...

earlier I believe someone said that using legal highs isn't sufficient, or something along those lines... however I'd like to add that if you've got the patience and a steady hand, you can simulate any of the great illegal drugs with minimal side effects.

with the exception of MDMA I've been able to re-create just about every recreational drug without too much effort... IF YOU LIKE VISUALS TRY DMT!!!!

if you're in Massachusetts and wanna get some local ideas, let me know

[2cesarewild]

Did not get peyote in MA. Psychedelics are not popular in my area. I doubt your friend would be able to pull something like that off with me around lol, no offense, and anyways I'd call bullshit if I ever even heard people in my area saying they can get peyote on the regular. It's pretty hard to acquire. Only been offered twice, first time was tea from this middle aged white guy who looked straight out of some suburbs. Was fucked up.

[gandhiwars]

Mescaline is hard to get because of a few factors. Other have listed a few.
But two big reasons I didn't see were these:
1. 85% of "mescaline" sold on the market is not actually mescaline in the US. Just like acid in the US most of it is not real. You genrally get LSH instead of LSD, so it lost a lot of popularity. You genrally get an LSH based drug instead of Mescalin so it lost a lot of street value.
2. It is not just a "oh what the fuck drug". Mescaline is an increddibly intense and different physchoactive. I suggest reading Aldous Huxley's writings and some others on the drug to understand more.

[Psylence]

I have seen some synth mescaline around made from vanillin. TMA-2 is pretty close also easy to synth...you can acid/base from San Pedro to get the real shit if you want......or join that church in New Mew Mexico..good luck with that one!!

[2cesarewild]

Mescaline is hard to get because of a few factors. Other have listed a few.
But two big reasons I didn't see were these:
1. 85% of "mescaline" sold on the market is not actually mescaline in the US. Just like acid in the US most of it is not real. You genrally get LSH instead of LSD, so it lost a lot of popularity. You genrally get an LSH based drug instead of Mescalin so it lost a lot of street value.
2. It is not just a "oh what the fuck drug". Mescaline is an increddibly intense and different physchoactive. I suggest reading Aldous Huxley's writings and some others on the drug to understand more.

Never heard of LSH. Do you mean LSA? If so, that is pretty much a myth that LSA gets passed off as LSD all over the place. Mescaline isn't incredibly intense, in my experience the visuals don't really get intricate, mostly just color stuff. Now I'm not going to like be a total asshole or anything, but it sounds like you just repeated some stuff your friends told you without actually knowing if it was true.

[gandhiwars]

Never heard of LSH. Do you mean LSA? If so, that is pretty much a myth that LSA gets passed off as LSD all over the place. Mescaline isn't incredibly intense, in my experience the visuals don't really get intricate, mostly just color stuff. Now I'm not going to like be a total asshole or anything, but it sounds like you just repeated some stuff your friends told you without actually knowing if it was true.

I took some when I was in Spain. I took 600mg. I don't think your being an ashole at all. And I did mean LSA, I don't know why I was saying LSH. And I did get my acid information from friends, but these guys lived and were dealers in the 60's so I tend to believe them. But all three of them have taken enough drugs to seriously impair their brains- so you maybe right that the LSA thing is a myth.

[2cesarewild]

Ahhh I c. You must have had fun on 600 mg. Have you tried acid before?

[Schlüßelberg]

Ahhh I c. You must have had fun on 600 mg. Have you tried acid before?
Well, if he hasn't, I sure as fuck have, and there just ain't NO WAY to duplicate that experience with HBWR or MG seeds. If there were a way, I would've figured it out long ago, not that I spent 12 years or so in chem labs or anything, or worked for a big oil company's R&D division doing shit with chemistry. Nope, wasn't me.

[generic]

im just surprised that that the RC market recently hasnt caused a huge upsurge in other chemicals to be passed off as mescaline. 2C-E mixed with 2C-C seems a likely candidate- it would give nausea, dreamy state from the 2C-C, and energy form the 2C-E. And compared to the LSD microdots used now that would be a lot less rare, and would come closer to replicating the mescaline experience.

[2cesarewild]

Yea I can't believe people still try passing dots off as mescaline, lol. Mescaline is supposedly one of the hardest synths to perform, on top of low yield. Best quote ever bonnaroo 05 from some shithead "all mescaline comes in microdots."

[DXMsucks]

Yeah in that article about Pickard in the LSD forum. It says something along the lines of Mescaline is one of the hardest synths to preform, and the chemistry people that do peform it is kinda like showing off.

[polymer]

Yea that's what sucks about most of the phens IMO. that's what propranolol is for

[polymer]

Yeah in that article about Pickard in the LSD forum. It says something along the lines of Mescaline is one of the hardest synths to preform, and the chemistry people that do peform it is kinda like showing off. uhh, no it's not.

phenethylamines such as mescaline are actually quite simple to synth, starting from styrene or trimethyl-benzylalcohol; yield is 75% if the latter is used, and that's a very simple synth (only problem is you work with LAH, NaCN, and ether).

and a lot of what is going around as acid is more than likely AL-LAD

[The_Moroccan_Raccoon]

mescaline and lsd don't have much demand. shrooms are much easier and cheaper to produce. Ecstasy has more pleasant effects to most people. People who do mescaline are more likely only to do it a few times, vs. E, which someone may do regularly. Someone should start making and distributing mesc and lsd...it would be doing humanity a favor...

[GTA83]

As I said earlier, someone must be I saw to doses 2 summers ago, and they were the real deal.

[2cesarewild]

uhh, no it's not.

phenethylamines such as mescaline are actually quite simple to synth, starting from styrene or trimethyl-benzylalcohol; yield is 75% if the latter is used, and that's a very simple synth (only problem is you work with LAH, NaCN, and ether).

and a lot of what is going around as acid is more than likely AL-LAD
Hey I guess shulgin must be wrong too then because I am pretty sure I read him say the same thing as that article says. But hey maybe you're one of those few that can actually pull it off.

[angerton]

"and a lot of what is going around as acid is more than likely AL-LAD"

No, it isn't.

There was supposedly a little last summer, but it's been completely unverified. Stupid to make such claims without gc/ms analysis, and contribute to the factless "there is no more LSD these days" conspiracy.

However, we might be seeing a bit more of it in the near future.

[2cesarewild]

that's what propranolol is for
Yea I'm just hearing about this and also fresh ginger as this guy flow has been saying for a while, another poster was talking about a study on its effects on upset stomach etc.

[polymer]

Hey I guess shulgin must be wrong too then because I am pretty sure I read him say the same thing as that article says. But hey maybe you're one of those few that can actually pull it off. depends on which route you take; there are several methods to synth phenethylamines. the trimethylbenzylalcohol method is about a 6 step process.

I could actually pull that one off; but like you said, synthing mesc isn't very cost effective.

[polymer]

"and a lot of what is going around as acid is more than likely AL-LAD"

No, it isn't.

There was supposedly a little last summer, but it's been completely unverified. Stupid to make such claims without gc/ms analysis, and contribute to the factless "there is no more LSD these days" conspiracy.

However, we might be seeing a bit more of it in the near future.
I think you're forgetting that LSD decomposes very readily; it's much easier/more feasible to make the more stable al-lad analogue.

but of course, all the people who buy acid have access to gc/ms, as if it's a gram scale used to measure out weed.

[2cesarewild]

but of course, all the people who buy acid have access to gc/ms, as if it's a gram scale used to measure out weed.
LMFAO, o yea it's right in that drawer next to the gram scale.

[polymer]

shit, I wish I had a gc/ms, but I don't have 150 grand laying around

[2cesarewild]

O that's nothing man just synth 10 grams of L and you can buy one of those at wal-mart.
Actually, fuck walmart, shit would probably break dam quick lol.

[moka9x9]

LSA
d-lysergic acid amide

LSA is a psychedelic with a potency 1/10 to 1/30th that of LSD, I have several Heavenly Blue Morning Glorys in my back yard, and I have another handfull of seeds ready to be grown.

LSD
d-lysergic acid diethylamide

LSD is a power psychedelic with an extremely high potency, so high infact, doses are messured in micrograms, and an ounce of LSD can produce 1,000 blotters easily.

Oral LSD Dosages
Threshold20 ug Light25 - 75 ug Common50 - 150 ug Strong150 - 400 ug Heavy400 + ug LD50 (Lethal Dose*)12,000 ug
ty erowid :)

[polymer]

and an ounce of LSD can produce 1,000 blotters easily.
1,000?

try 567,000 . (1 ounce = ~28.35 gm., @ 50mics per tab, avg. strength of white fluff blotters)

[StonerBill]

peyote is legal to grow and sell here inmy state in australia, strangely. fuckin expensive though

[Dazed4now]

mescaline is scarce cause all the hippies and indians picked america dry

[Schlüßelberg]

uhh, no it's not.

phenethylamines such as mescaline are actually quite simple to synth, starting from styrene or trimethyl-benzylalcohol; yield is 75% if the latter is used, and that's a very simple synth (only problem is you work with LAH, NaCN, and ether).

and a lot of what is going around as acid is more than likely AL-LAD
And then there's that wonderful precursor 3,4,5 (trans) Cinnamic acid, which is not to be found anywhere, for obvious reasons.

Working with Lithium Aluminum Hydride and diethyl ether aren't all that difficult; hell, the Grignard reaction with mag-chloride dried ether was the first catalyzed reaction I learned. (IIRC; twer 28 or so years ago)

[polymer]

nah, they're not hard to work with; just can't be careless, and have a wet (with water) workspace, or in the case of ether, open flame, but that goes without saying. Grignard reactions are so immensely useful, can use them to synth almost anything.

and if I'm not mistaken, all the 3,4,5-methyl compounds are quite watched like dimethylamine

[eman resu]

Most of the shit people say they've taken as mescaline, is almost always LSD. I've even talked to hippies who were alive in the drug heyday of the late 60s through the 70s who were duped into buying microdots of LSD, under the impression that it was mescaline. Plus, today, some rc's are like the mescaline experience.\

Yea 2c-b actually is a type of synthetic mescaline along with some other rc's

[polymer]

those are some loosely-related analogues, tri-substituted phenethylamines most of them with two methoxy groups, and a halide.
mescaline has three methoxy groups.

[2cesarewild]

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Yea 2c-b actually is a type of synthetic mescaline along with some other rc'sI don't like when people say that man, 2c-b is not synthetic mescaline. Although it's an analog, they are not the same chemical and they have very different properties. Saying it's synthetic mescaline perpetuates misinformation; synthetic mescaline is mescaline that was synthesized in a lab, versus natural mescaline that was made in a cactus in nature. IDK how into the 'scene' you are but I see lots doing that, saying they have mescaline to offer to all kinds of people who don't question and just eat it... then I question it and they kinda like go "uhh uhh uhh yea well it's actually uhh 2c-i cough cough money and ignorance i mean, uhh, love and light"

[GTA83]

So noone here got in on the mesc that went around in 2003?

[2cesarewild]

What tour?

[GTA83]

Bonnaroo I personally obtained some, it was for sure legit, was going for 20 each or 10 for 120 which is a rediculous price considering the high cost/low yeild I have been hearing about making it.

[2cesarewild]

bonnaroo is filled with rippers, so forgive me if I don't believe you lol. I recognize your nick though, so I figure you come to these forums a lot you know mescaline doesn't come in dots and is dosed at the lowest around 300 milligrams? Takes pills the size of big vicodins pretty much.


Everytime I was offered "mescaline" at roo, it was microdots or a tiny amount of powder in an empty gelcap.

[GTA83]

Ya I know, this stuff was neither, it was long fine sharp-like brown crystals in a large horse pill, dose seemed like 350-400 prolly. It also had all the characteristics, sickness after one hour, 4 hour peak, 12 hour time frame, and around a 2 week afterglow. I have also done many Rc's and mescaline in cactus form, and it was most similar for sure to the effect of the cactus. I kicked my ass for not getting more though.

[2cesarewild]

Yea sounds like mescaline, you're lucky man. I've never come across the real deal, besides yote.

[polymer]

it was long fine sharp-like brown crystals in a large horse pill,yup, that was the product of an acid-base extraction of a mescaline containing cactus.

[Tarantism]

you can make mescaline, i found a recipe once, but it requires sodium nitrate and benzene. difficult to find and not wortht he trouble.

[2cesarewild]

lol, yea doo benzene. awesome.

[Tarantism]

hey now perhaps it was benzine
now i gotta find the recipe lol

[Tarantism]

thanks, you prompted me to find a better one!

Several methods are available to isolate and identify mescaline within plant or animal tissue. Extraction is accomplished by methanol; this initial stage is then completed by filtration of the extract and its evaporation to dryness. The extract is then treated with chloroform and 0.05 N hydrochloric acid in a sep- aratory funnel; the aqueous portion is retained after several washings with chloroform. Ammonia or sodium carbonate is added to the aqueous solution in sufficient quantities to produce a slightly basic solution with a pH of about 8. This is followed by further extraction with chloroform and chloroform-ethanol (3:1). After adjusting the pH to about 10 a final chloroform-ethanol extraction is made. The chloroform extract which contains the alkaloids is then dried. The alkaloids can be separated into phenolic and non-phenolic groups by passing the extract (redissolved in chloroform) through Amberlite IRA-400 (OH-) ion-exchange resin. If thin layer chromatography is used for alkaloid separation and identification, several spray reagents are particularly useful. For example, Flourescamine (4-phenyl- spiro [furan-2 (3H), 1'-phthalan]-3,3-dione) readily distinguishes phenethylamines from tetrahydroisoquinolones. Mescaline may then be identified by comparison with known samples using infra-red spectrophotometry.

"Applied chemists" within the drug cult have devised ingenious methods of extracting pure mescaline from dried or fresh plant material. The basic process varies somewhat but a typical one is as follows: the plant material is first boiled to extract the alkaloids; this extract is then made basic by the addition of sodium hydroxide (lye). Next benzene (try methylenechloride) is added to further separate the alkaloids. The aqueous and benzene portions are allowed to separate following a gentle shaking. Dilute sulfuric acid (hydrochloric works as well) is next added in small quantitites to the benzene portion and the solution is again shaken. The mixture is allowed to stand, and the process is repeated several more times with the addition of a more dilute acid every time. A white precipitate will soon settle and can easily be dried. This is mescaline sulfate (or hydrochloride) and further steps can make it quite pure."

[AreYouExperienced]

I got ahold of some at Bonarroo in 2003 and 2005, but the stuff I got at 2004 was 2-CB, I'm almost positive. But I know the other two were legit for sure, as my friend and I extracted some from his Peruvian torch plant about 6 years ago.

[2cesarewild]

"make" usually means synthesize, not 'extract.' Biochemical reactions have already 'made' the mescaline for you, you're talking about extracting it from plant material.

[Tarantism]

well, when you chop up the cactus, then grind up the xylem (i used a blender), and then you cook it for 4-6 hours, 6 for me, and then when you are done you seperate the liquids fromthe pulp using a cloth and a pot. after that, ylou have some san pedro juice. at this point i wanted to know if i could get a solid from this liquid, so i tried soduim chloride, NaCl, which didnt work. looks like ethanol is my next test once i can get some more cactus.

[jrod]

Why dont you just read other topics. The one titled "what cacti contain mescline?" might lead you in the right direction


I had a jar of corn whiskey(moonshine) with san pedro pulp once, my mom found it and threw it out :(
At least I dont live at with my folks now and wont have that problem again.

[Tarantism]

i know what cacti contain mescaline. i have 5 ft of san pedro sitting in my room right now. im tryign to get he pure chemical. have you been reading?

[jrod]

You only know about about 3 cacti that contain mescaline. You obviously didnt look at that topic. I tried to help you out.............

[Soberbeah]

It's come through Long Island a few times, my friends had some for a couple of weeks
they loved the shit, but I never got a chance to do it
it usually comes and goes really fast

[benr]

mesc-is not scarce,i know brothers in oregon and arizona that can get at will!



(and acid for that matter, although that is a discussion for another day, im exhausted from thinking about the lack of good acid and acid in general today)


anyway, why is it that mescaline is so damn scarce?? and to those of you who are a bit older and were able to experience times of mescaline, what was the mesc scene like in it's peak. was it easy to find? was it always legit?

walking in place,
Dawson

[desert nightmare]

Does anyone happen to know the percentage of mescaline that gets past the blood brain barrier?

I've heard that only about 1% of LSD makes it through. I would think that the same amount, not percent, of mescaline would make it through in order to have the same effects. That seems to make the most sense.

[THCsetmefree]

ive tried it, mescaline extract..atleast thats wut iw as told it ws, a kind apinkinsh orangeish powder, my friend dipped a key in the bag and i snorted wut was on the end of the key....tripped for like 10 hours, not liek LSD or phsyliobin...it was like nothing ive ever done before that or since then....but a couple years later iw as doing random drug research, and now im kinda thinking it kight have been AMT aka " foxy"

[2cesarewild]

A key of mescaline wouldn't be enough for a threshold dose most likely. Unless it was a really, really big key lol.

[THCsetmefree]

well it was supposedly an extract...thats why i think it was AMT or somthign else....ive eaten peyote too....that was prett intense...thats the one thing i like about az the indidan resevations, and i live in the southern part of arizona, it takes me 4 hours to get to rocky point mexico, but i only live about 400 miles form LA at the same time....

[eagle feather]

You make some good points in how people can be duped into buying cactus laced with LSD. What are RC's?

[2cesarewild]

Research Chemicals.

[RELAYER]

Dood, probably 500 of your posts are telling people what RC and PWN mean lol

[2cesarewild]

I know. Pwned is what I did to the mini keg of heineken by myself last night. Massive pwnage.

[RELAYER]

Pwned is what I did to my oxy and 3 different Belgian white ales. With no hangover dood, except the longing for more

[2cesarewild]

Pwned is eating clam chowder on lunch and sucking back two grateful deads. I am 21 today. It's a celebration bitches. Enjoy yoself.

[RELAYER]

DAYM! Happy birthday dood, Im a drink my last white ale for you after work lol. Clam chowda ya retahd!!!!!

[2cesarewild]

DAYM! Happy birthday dood, Im a drink my last white ale for you after work lol. Clam chowda ya retahd!!!!!LMAO!! yes that's how we talk down hea. thanks guy, pound back a few and find that oxy. then stuff it far up your ass you'll get so high it'll be awesome. i swear. hahahaha

[RELAYER]

hahahhahaa nah I cant afford no mo, shit be boost though son, some powder shit is fire nigga. That's how we talk down here lol sad isnt it, but true

[2cesarewild]

lol people talk like that here, if they're g.

[RELAYER]

Mad g's up in here though.

Yo are you drunk ? I know I will be in about 1 hour

[2cesarewild]

I had a little buzz going from the two gd's I drank at that point, but I went on to celebrate my 21st in style. It was another gallon+ night of beer drinking. That mini keg of heineken was 1.33 gallons, last night I may have beat that out. In guinness alone I think I drank a gallon.

[RELAYER]

Do you remember anything after this gallon drinking ?

[2cesarewild]

Nah dude the night i drank that mini keg I just woke up all of a sudden I was in bed and I was like wtf happened. So I see videos of me the next day that this girl took with her phone, omfg I was being an idiot. I was saying the dumbest shit. I also got hungry apparently and took some leftovers still in the plastic container and just straight up put that shit on the stove. This girl was like, what's that smell? I'm like, "i'm cooking" she goes over and sees a plastic container just chillin on the burner.

Last night I call up my friend's house, while he's sitting next to me. I start up a conversation with his little brother then in the middle of talking to him I am like whoa whoa hold on.... do i know you? he was like yea dude it's so and so and i am like I don't know you... he goes it's so and so's little brother, and i go oh shit... my bad. and just hung up. the whole time I was apparently talking like real low volume in a shady ass voice. I never remember doing shit like this people tell me the next day. I cuoldn't stop laughing when my friend told me about this shit today.

[RELAYER]

daym, those nights are always the best to find out about the next day. Like last night for example, I only drank 4 beers, then my girl reminded me about the bag of blue powder we had, and the person we got it from is a meth head who cant remember where she is at all times let alone remember what is in her bags of drugs. But she told my girl that it was either crushed up oxy's or percocet 10s lol. So then I was like fuck it Im downing the whole bag. It was a bag about the size of a weed gram bag, half full, so that's a lot of powder lol. Anyway about 20 minutes later I was like, oh fuck this is fuckin xanax! Then I woke up this morning on the floor about to be late for work. One more reason to add to the list of reasons why I hate xanax so much. But taking th plunge into the unkown is always fun haha