We were gonna change the world...what happened?

[mosaicthreads]

I've been away from the forums for awhile, busy with life, and had to come back for some comfort. I've been just feeling kind of nostalgic lately and wondering what happend to the generation that was going to change the world? When I listen to the music I remember the feeling I had being a part of it all, thinking we really were gonna find a better way. I think a lot of us have, in our own lives, made a difference and lived out our beliefs, but on the whole I see little change in society.

I don't know, somebody refresh my memory and tell me we are better off, that we have made inroads, and have left a positive lasting impact for the following generations. I know there are some positives, but I'm having a hard time seeing them right now!

~mosaic, feeling sorry for herself...

[WE1]

We became busy with life.

[mosaicthreads]

yeah....:(

[gate68]

Nowdays I'm lucky if I change my underwear.

[Meagain]

Momentum.

There are presently far to few to shift the momentum of the last 2,000 years.

We were in the limelight for awhile because of the novelty to the general public, then they got tired and went back to sit coms and cop shows.
Also we had to compromise outwardly to survive and raise a family.

It's a problem of human evolution. I have read that we are evolving as a race but we still have, I think the estimate was a couple hundred years at the present rate, until the shift occurs.

[luvndrumn]

But we did change the world, mosaic. It just didn't perpetuate. It didn't grow. As Meagain and We mentioned (not in so many words, but in meaning), Life happened. And the 'others', (the "driven", the maniacal") filled the void. And now we have... THIS. And whereas back in the day "They have the guns, but we have the numbers", now it seems that they have the numbers as well as the guns.
Maybe we were too naive, too into our own selves and the sense of what we had helped cause to think that anyone would not think it was a good thing.


And we grow older and a little more tired.
Revolution is for the young, but I just don't smell it coming.

As the old "Chermans" say, "Too zoon ve grow old, und too late ve grow shmart".

[forest_pixie84]

i feel like yall changed the world

[mosaicthreads]

But we did change the world, mosaic. It just didn't perpetuate. It didn't grow. ...

And we grow older and a little more tired.
Revolution is for the young, but I just don't smell it coming.

As the old "Chermans" say, "Too zoon ve grow old, und too late ve grow shmart".
Ah yes....we had to find a way to live and raise a family. so true!

It is what I see in my own children, they would like to make a difference, but they are too busy just making a way to survive in what the world has become.

It makes me sad, and oh so late have I grown shmart! :(

[honeyhannah]

i feel like yall changed the world
I agree people are more tolerant and more concerned with happiness and personal freedom though sometimes it seems the opposite

[Feralking]

Don't lose heart,sister.Think of what it would be like now if we all hadn't taken a stand against the status quo.It can seem like we have lost the battle and that our movement is no longer active in the world,but in fact there are many cahnges that have occured in society because of the hippies.It's a fact that the world is still in a mess,and at the moment things are looking real bad,but if we stop being who we are,then we have truely lost the plot.Often without us even being aware of it,we have an effect on people we meet.Don't underestimate the magic that you have more than likely worked on the lives of others simply in being who you are.The hippy movement is still very much alive.People may not look like they are part of it all,but their hearts are definitely in the right place.Many of the younger generation are taking very active roles within the system in order to assist in the process of change.One young brother is now a professor in environmental studies.He started out as a feral blockader here in Australia.This is just one example.Take heart dear sister.We have made an impression,and that impression will last for many generations yet to come.While we are still on this earth,it is important that we continue our blessed work.That work is simply living life as we know in our hearts it ought to be lived.

[treekster]

it's a big wheel to turn, you all got your shoulders to it for the first time...I think the best change you all made is that there are people from my generation, not to mention the younger ones, still putting shoulders to the wheel...thanks for blazing the path, and try to take heart...changing a world is big work, it moves slowly, almost imperceptibly at times, but I still have faith change will come

[jackbequick88]

You don't see that sign anymore that states if you bring pot into a certain area you'll get life for distribution and 20 years for possesion.. Sadly, the movement was strong for a few years, then it died. Just like someone posted early, they had to adapt to raising a family and keeping them on the right track. Basically, it comes down to a 50-50 chance. Flip a coin, you could easily predict the future in such circumstances. The life you all once knew is gone... the life I wished to live is over. A turn in events. A sad one. Republicans now rule the world and we are sitting here in this vegitate state. All we can do is mutter and speak some simple words of enlightment.. but really, how many lives does it change? Kids have become hippies because they don't see the real point or they over exaggerate or make stupid observations. As a very wise woman once told me, "We weren't called hippies, we were called Freaks, 'hippy' only generated later". She is dead and I still consider myself a freak, not a hippy... So let's conform to propose a new informative movement such as "The Freaks Of Earth".. Never know... I think Earth is due for a movement in so many years. With this technology, hippies would be smart to become the head of these developments and pursue the hippy dream. Sometimes conforming to the new will help benefit the movement and just like any war, you sacrifice yourself for any movement. So I propose a new movement. One of monumental strength.

[Syntax]

I guess I'm too young to comment, but here's my explanation:

In the 60's, it seemed like -everybody- was out to change the world. Everybody listened to revolutionary music, supported protests and claimed to love freedom. When the 60's ended, it appeared that most of these kids were just playing along, having some fun with the trend. Being like the hippies was just the trendy thing to do.

And now, you see your generation and you ask yourself "why has so little changed now that we are the people voting and running the world?" and the truth is that most people whom you considered to be on your side were just posers, and those who really wanted to change the world are a small minority. And alone, they can't do anything, young or old.

That's just my theory. Peace.

[jackbequick88]

Syntax has got a good point of view. Most were posers and they always will be. The majority of this site is posers. A lack of true perspective. You see, I truly believe that there are the few that actually believe in helping instead of hurting. And frankly, I've fallen to the pits of the 'hurting' side. It's very hard to maintain your path to insure true beauty to all of those who are in the younger generation. Simply, things of an old nature can't comply with the new "Hip" way of doing things. Rap is the major seller and so is appeal. Look away, your golden, look another way, your the devil of society. Unfortunately we as people have eliminated the mediocre bit of society.. those who can sit in a middle class. A college education is almost now mandatory and living off of small paying jobs is almost impossible. Everything seems to be depressing. The movement has not been yet forgotten but yet has been almost abolished. For the lack of true hippies is outstanding. The movement meant something and now there are those who think only drugs are hippies. Points of meaning were soon forgotten and it is up to us, and us only, the present, to change things. Old or young, play your part. It takes millions to change billions. Remember that. We need to form, and form strong in numbers. And though this is against the hippie creed, we must be willing to loose in order to gain.

[mosaicthreads]

Don't lose heart,sister.Think of what it would be like now if we all hadn't taken a stand against the status quo....Often without us even being aware of it,we have an effect on people we meet.Don't underestimate the magic that you have more than likely worked on the lives of others simply in being who you are.The hippy movement is still very much alive.People may not look like they are part of it all,but their hearts are definitely in the right place....While we are still on this earth,it is important that we continue our blessed work.That work is simply living life as we know in our hearts it ought to be lived.
Right on brother! Your words are an encouragement to me, as are so many of you who have posted. We did make a dent and I think that many of the "hippies" turned into "yuppies" and the ones that stayed true to their hearts did make an impact on the corporate world....look at Rolling Stone Mag.

jackbequick88 you are correct, we were never called hippies. That was a term coined by the media I believe. We were simply "freaks" and that suited us just fine. I can call myself a hippie now, because my children lovingly call me and the ol'man "hippies" and so I guess it kind of sounds loving and sweet.

So all you freaks out there, keep living and lovin' and helping your fellow man! We have made a difference no matter how small it may be.

[Meagain]

You really need to study social mores to understand all this junk.

Let me throw this out for thought subject to correction.

The "hippie" movement was an out growth of the "beat" movement. Which I'm not getting into here. After WWII American, English, and most of the Allied nation's society was very regimented, uniform. It was a result of military training and the war effort. Using the U.S. as an example, the society had had to pull together to win the war. The government was given absolute authority and permission to govern society.
The WWII generation learned to trust their government and its leaders. They had to to win the war. After the war they continued to trust them and set about rebuilding their lives, which had been devestated by the war. They went trough severe hardships and now they were trying to avoid this stuff in the future, they wanted a good, peacefull future for their children.

Now, the younger generation was getting the best education ever offered to any generation in history. The WWII people put an extreme importance on education. So they taught what was good, right, and just. In the schools and all media. Watch reruns of any TV show from that era.

Anyway, the youngsters looked around and found out that the nation wasn't quite living up to what they were teaching. There were nice cars, cheap gas, fine homes, plenty to eat, etc. but others in the world were getting the shaft. And they started to speak up. But they found when they spoke up they were told not to rock the boat. We were doing fine and the rest of the world, well, what can you do?

The young were "breaking rank".
Problems were developing....

......This is getting long so I'll stop here.

[hippycarly]

I agree that many people were posers; fashion-conscious people who thought it was cool to burn bras and protest and wear bell bottoms. I was a kid in the 60's and early 70's, but was raised in the environment. The feelings ran deep, but were pushed to the back of my mind in the late 70's, 80's and 90's, when I was more worried about driving the newest car, having the nicest of homes, best job, I guess I kinda stepped back and did some soul searching when it had occured to me that I felt like I was teaching my kids to be the most popular, best in sports, buying them the nicest things in the neighborhood, when I should have been teaching them more about peace and tolerance. They see things in a new way now, and I think they are alot happier. I have seen some younger "hippies", and from what I have seen of them, for the most part, they seem to have some idea about what being in the culture is about.

[SkeeterVT]

I've been away from the forums for awhile, busy with life, and had to come back for some comfort. I've been just feeling kind of nostalgic lately and wondering what happend to the generation that was going to change the world? When I listen to the music I remember the feeling I had being a part of it all, thinking we really were gonna find a better way. I think a lot of us have, in our own lives, made a difference and lived out our beliefs, but on the whole I see little change in society.

I don't know, somebody refresh my memory and tell me we are better off, that we have made inroads, and have left a positive lasting impact for the following generations. I know there are some positives, but I'm having a hard time seeing them right now!

~mosaic, feeling sorry for herself...
We did a lot more than change the world. . .The world we Baby Boomers grew up in no longer exists. The Soviet Union is gone. The so-called "menace of communism" is gone (save for North Korea). Jim Crow and apartheid are gone. Colonialism is gone. The draft is gone (though there continue to be rumors of it making a comeback). 25-cents-a-gallon gasoline is LONG gone.

On the other hand, who could have imagined when we Baby Boomers were kids that the Empire State Building would once again become New York's tallest? Who could have imagined that the 33 1/3 RPM vinyl record would give way to the compact disc? Or, for that matter, the VHS cassette tape giving way to the DVD? Or that there would be a worldwide, interactive computer network that would become more ubiquitous than television?

To say that we changed the world is the understatement of the century.

-- Skeeter

[gate68]

It was a movement against the war.It ended when VietNam ended.It's started again with Iraq..

[Meagain]

I think there were several threads running through "the movement".

1. Hedonism.
2. Anti-war.
3. Anti-racism.
4. Free speech.
5. Mysticism (not based on conventional religions).
6. Religious exploration.
7. Feminism.
8. A breakdown of social classes.
9. Redefinition of the Arts.
10. Sexual revolution.

And notice how it fits into a nice base ten unit.

Oops, and 11. anti-Authority.

Base Eleven.

Stick it in a pot and stir it around.

[mosaicthreads]

It was a movement against the war.It ended when VietNam ended.It's started again with Iraq..
Oh no, it was so much more than that! As Skeeter said:We did a lot more than change the world. . .The world we Baby Boomers grew up in no longer exists. The Soviet Union is gone. The so-called "menace of communism" is gone (save for North Korea). Jim Crow and apartheid are gone. Colonialism is gone. The draft is gone (though there continue to be rumors of it making a comeback). 25-cents-a-gallon gasoline is LONG gone.

[mimosa]

don't anyone lose heart, i'm still tryin to change the world, join me....be yourself, you do more than you know just by being who you really are. (message to myself too).

[blu raven]

howdy folks, your all bright beautiful rainbows, if you've never been to a rainbow gathering I sure do suggest you go. It'll really charge up the ole spirits and you could order a rainbow guide just look for the post on the rainbow forum. The hippies started the ball rolling on all kinds of good stuff, how about meditation? yoga? organic food has something like a 15 to 20 percent share of food sales I just read somewhere a while back. The laws against pot have loosened up considerably, a couple years ago I got busted for smoking a joint in a bus shelter and they gave me a ticket which cost 90$ back in 68 I might have got prison time or at least probation. How about co-ops thier all over. I read "Hearts in Atlantis", by Stephen King a couple years ago and in about the last paragraph of the book its says something to the effect that if you look close the magics still around. Keep the faith folks you are loved.

[Floyd Soul]

There is alot of things that came out of the movement in the 60's as you said blu raven. People are more aware of the environment thanks to organisations such as Greenpeace, about what food they are eating and also more acceptable of people who look different. There is however, an awful lot more that needs to be changed.

[Feralking]

Hello everyone,
There are some great truths coming out here.I'd forgotten some of the things that have changed due to alternative thinking.I wonder if mainstream society will ever acknowledge that our existence has in fact made a difference.That'd be something.I still believe that our culture ought to be formally accepted by the establishment.Just recently,I was reading some guidelines which described local laws regarding what is accepted as an act of violence here in Darwin.Not allowing individuals to practice what is a part of their culture is seen as being a breach of that person's rights.In theory we should be able to do anything which is associated with our chosen culture given that we are not harming others,but sadly,that is not the case.I think that this kind of oppression is directly responsible for the way that we sometimes get to feeling.It does leave you with a sense that we've been working for a long time at what we believe,and that there has been little return for those efforts.But I agree with others who have posted a reply here saying that we have in fact manifested some very positive cahnges.
With the work that I do,there are times when I know that it will be difficult to keep going.My backup at times like those are the people I work with.My family at work.That's how I see this site.When I'm in need of support,I come here and read what all of you have to share.And man,I have to say that my spirits are always lifted.
Thanks for making this site available,and thanks for sharing,
Love from me to you.

[iSiS]

Revolution is for the young, but I just don't smell it coming.
I DO sense another revolution coming, hopefully in my lifetime. But it will be more involved with technology than "all natural"...think Hack-tivism for one...the possibilities are endless.

Sorry I am not an elder hippie, or even a hippie or anything one thing at all. I love the music & just wanted to come see what was on your minds. Some of my family were hippies in the 60s, so I definitely was exposed to the movement young, therefore helping me become the person I am now. And I am just one person who was affected out of many. So do not despair, you DID make changes!!

[wildfire]

i think that their has inevitably to be some type of revolution coming, or already slightly springing up, but it isn't going to be a hippie revolution. that one already took place and fizzled out. their have been cultural revolutions since humans have been around. the revoultionees back in the sixties just got a name. now the young people of today are more technology based and materialistic and in with the mainstream and i just can't see any real mass of people breaking away from that because it is too close to the hippies and it wouldn't be a revoultion just more hippies sprouting up. so anything that does take place would have to be completely new and dissassociated with hippies.

[Major Peacenik]

you did change the world

[Digger168]

Keep trying!!!!!!

I do my part on a small level every day.

But, baby,.....

it ain't easy today!!!

No suh!
but
I keepa trying anyway.

Love.

[hemp726]

man
a technological revolution is a little far out and would have to have a huge mass of peopel suddenly over ride the system b/c my friend knows people who have like hacked NASA and stuff and after he got out of jail the government hired him to hack NASA as his job and patch up the flaws in the system so its harder to break in so i bet they do it with everyone man. so unless hundred or thousands of peopel at once hacked the system it would be very unlikely

[shameless_heifer]

We did change the world.. take a look around..

[luvndrumn]

But the weeds are growing back ib the garden again. Time to pull some weeds. Now, where's the Bush-hog. ~groan~

[ageinmyeyes]

Change takes generations to come to full fruitation. "we" the old hippies, put the pendelum in motion. Our children and our grandchildren are riding the upswing. My 19 year old granddaughter's thought is that "it has all been done" That there is nothing else new to be done. I wonder if the pendelum is about ready to begin a swing back.
As is the nature of the beast, it will swing many times before the real telling can be considered. The course of life cannot be told except in the reading of history. Don't dispair......"no less than the trees and the stars...

[shameless_heifer]

Ageinmyeyes.. welcome to the forums and that was a very nice post. I like your style..

[shameless_heifer]

luvn.. I think we will have to pull that bush up by the roots.. it's seems to have taken hold and is spreading..messing up the Garden..

[mosaicthreads]

Change takes generations to come to full fruitation. "we" the old hippies, put the pendelum in motion. Our children and our grandchildren are riding the upswing. My 19 year old granddaughter's thought is that "it has all been done" That there is nothing else new to be done. I wonder if the pendelum is about ready to begin a swing back.
As is the nature of the beast, it will swing many times before the real telling can be considered. The course of life cannot be told except in the reading of history. Don't dispair......"no less than the trees and the stars...

Oh yes, we did put the pendelum in motion. I see the future in my children's, and grandchildren's eyes. The amazing thing is that my chldren don't have the same social taboos to fight, and seem to come at life from a more natural and tribal base than I did. I guess that is the gift I was able to give without realizing it. They are passionate about the things they believe in, and will make a difference, if only in their small circle of influence.

I do see that technology is interwoven in the current social revolution, but the materialism of this current generation, and the selfishness of us all, makes me nostalgic for the idealism of 60's.

[Dr Death (the DJ)]

I have only read the first post, so excuse me if I repeat what others have said or wotnot.

I listen to the lyrics to the Lev songs I listen to all the time and I, though young, wonder what happened myself. I try to make a difference by working for worthwhile causes and crossing t's and dotting I's where appropriate but it just seems to get us no where. But if we do not try we will not achieve anything at all!

Sometimes the world needs waking *cue the song 'Wake the World' by The Levellers*

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Perhaps the revolution that technology, like the web, will enhance comes from all of the information we have access to now, we can't be isolated, or deluded as easily. With the click of a few buttons we can see a full spectrum of info concerning any one topic and decide for ourselves what we feel the truth is and if we don't take the time to figure it out it's our own fault.

Being responsible for our actions seems to be a big lesson now...how'd we get so many weeds and bushy things in the garden and why do the stores sell all that crap?

I believe in my heart this revolution has been going on since time began, there have always been people who feel the need to control others and there have always been the others that feel they don't need to be controlled. For the most part they slip about planting seeds of inspiration and hope and the movement will never truely come to a stand still because we are determined and where you see one you can bet there are hundreds more;) . I am one person born of two people with two off spring of my own and we are dedicated to making Compassion our light to shine out onto all that we come into contact with (granted it's a learning process:p ).

I have a feeling the rest will take care of it's self. The tide always shifts.

[Dan67]

I've been away from the forums for awhile, busy with life, and had to come back for some comfort. I've been just feeling kind of nostalgic lately and wondering what happend to the generation that was going to change the world? When I listen to the music I remember the feeling I had being a part of it all, thinking we really were gonna find a better way. I think a lot of us have, in our own lives, made a difference and lived out our beliefs, but on the whole I see little change in society.

I don't know, somebody refresh my memory and tell me we are better off, that we have made inroads, and have left a positive lasting impact for the following generations. I know there are some positives, but I'm having a hard time seeing them right now!

~mosaic, feeling sorry for herself...
Over in the Christian section of this forum I have started threads psychedelic drug pushers, The Axis Of Evil That Bush Did Not Talk About, and others, which explain my ideas about your question. I have discovered dates, names, and events that link the original Woodstock festival of 1969 and at least on of the Dead Sea Scrolls, believe it or not! Talk to you later.

[TranquilWaterfall]

As a 26 yr old woman, raised by babybooming hippie, take it from me ... you have changed the world. We (the next generation) look to you for support and guidance. Most of us (who were raised as i was) believe in peace, equality and brotherhood. I plan on raising my children with the same morals and standards that i was and we have your generation to thank for that. we look to you for guidance and thanks to you for standing up for what you believe in we have what we want and have the strength to stand up for what we want and believe in.

Don't feel sorry for yourself -- your generation did what you could and we thank you for it.

[John221]

I've been just feeling kind of nostalgic lately and wondering what happend to the generation that was going to change the world?
Here I am!

[raven23]

The general consensus here is that the freaks did change the world.
Not as much as they had hoped, but they were VERY optimistic, VERY far-reaching in their goals. Was that a good thing? Would they have even been able to achieve what little they did (little compared to what some of them wanted) if they had not reached as far as they did? Maybe there's a lesson there. Maybe the only way to bring about the change we want is to imagine the highest, the high high highest, stretch our minds to imagine the greatest world possible and say 'We are going to do this, we are definitely going to change the world extremely'
And if the results fall short, we cant get depressed and give up. Some changes arent visible right away. Some never will be. We dont know what kindof world it would have been without the hippie movement. Perhaps if it hadnt been for that movement we would have been living in a nightmare world right now; perhaps a little relaxation (sexual and personal freedom, etc) was what the society truly needed to keep it from going over the edge and becoming something even the Nazis would have flinched at. We'll never know.

[Rhythm]

I am too young to offer my opinion. I have one question though.


Do you ever feel guilt? Was everything motivated by love? Were all your gifts honest?

[hug a bahaii today]

feel this please....i grew up in your garden - i played in those weeds - don't forget - kids pull up dandelions to make crowns for eachother - we are still out there playing - we are still chaining daisies and eating clover - every plant is beautiful - even if you didn't mean it to grow there - it has a purpose - even if it's just to create the need for removal - we could never live in a perfect world because we would forget and let it fall apart completely - if i may continue the metaphor for one more line......if nothing else - the weeds keep the gardners in the garden with their hands in the dirt!!!!!

[Schlüßelberg]

i feel like yall changed the world
Well, we certainly changed ourselves. But, yeah, all these little things like Greenpeace, Amnesty International, the ACLU, the SCLC, the Panthers (grey, black, white), Krishna Consciousness, etc.

I just remembered something that happened then. I do not know how or when, but I ended up in a house whose inhabitants were mostly SDS, Weathermen, etc. Me, I had just gotten turned on to both acid and pot two months before.

I remember sitting buck naked in the midst of all the so-called radicals. 7 oir 8 people there and they had naught to say. It was like, "Hey, radical, little brother." What else CAN one say, if one professes radical change, and is then confronted with it?

Cowardice won out, and the consensus was: pay no attentionm to the man behind the curtain. He's not there.

YOU CAN EVEN GET NAKED IN FRONT OF THEM, AND THEY WILL STILL IGNORE YOU.

What kind of brain-washed Nat-zi is like that? This describes the true believers on both sides, although I like to think we lefties are hotter.

to be maybe continued.

[mosaicthreads]

I am too young to offer my opinion. I have one question though.


Do you ever feel guilt? Was everything motivated by love? Were all your gifts honest?
interesting question. of course I feel guilt sometimes, especially in the areas of "selling out" or conforming to the very society I was trying to change. was I always motivated by love? Yes! Were all my gifts honest? I hope so! Were all of the folks involved in the movement of the 60's and 70's honest and motivated by love? of course not. Maybe that is the crux of the problem, we are all human. The 80's proved that greed prevailed.

[sylvanlightning]

Perhaps the revolution that technology, like the web, will enhance comes from all of the information we have access to now, we can't be isolated, or deluded as easily. With the click of a few buttons we can see a full spectrum of info concerning any one topic and decide for ourselves what we feel the truth is and if we don't take the time to figure it out it's our own fault.

Being responsible for our actions seems to be a big lesson now...how'd we get so many weeds and bushy things in the garden and why do the stores sell all that crap?

I believe in my heart this revolution has been going on since time began, there have always been people who feel the need to control others and there have always been the others that feel they don't need to be controlled. For the most part they slip about planting seeds of inspiration and hope and the movement will never truely come to a stand still because we are determined and where you see one you can bet there are hundreds more;) . I am one person born of two people with two off spring of my own and we are dedicated to making Compassion our light to shine out onto all that we come into contact with (granted it's a learning process:p ).

I have a feeling the rest will take care of it's self. The tide always shifts.



Being responsible for our actions seems to be a big lesson now...how'd we get so many weeds and bushy things in the garden and why do the stores sell all that crap?



*Yes, well spoken!

[newo]

We did make a lot of changes. The draft is gone, legalized discrimination based on race, sex or religion is gone, people recycle more.


So we didn't overthrow the government. We didn't all turn on, tune in and drop out, embrace socialism and form communes everywhere. We didn't get marijuana legalized. Basically we settled for a compromise, grew older and joined the real world. But the influences of growing up in that era have stayed with us.

Change is, as they say, two steps forward and one step backward. Right now we're fighting that step backward. And with GWB's approval ratings down below 40% we're making progress. We're changing the world again, I just hope it comes soon enough.

[zush196]

yeah they got numbers and guns
and it did start up again for iraq
yeah

[HippyFreek2004]

Did you change the world? Yes. You changed my world.

I'm a 19 year old girl from a small southern town. I live right on the Mason-Dixon line. Racism is still prevelant, as is sexism. People are backwards, and close-minded. Other cultures are studied in school as if they occured long ago and have no effect on life on my town now. I grew up in this, feeling different and alone.

I grew up wondering why black people didn't go to my school. Why my mom didn't have a job and why daddy was allowed to be mean to her. Why no one ever seemed to leave the town to venture out, be different, try new things. When I was maybe 10, I started reading about the hippies and their movement. How you tried to change the world, spark love in every heart, knowledge and acceptance in every brain. Change the government and society. You thought outside the box, unphased by what the rest of the world thought of you. You became my heroes.

Because of you, all of you, I felt the strength to stand up to bullies in my school, defending the token black students, the homosexuals, womens rights. I felt justified in studying and trying to accept other religions and political systems. I felt comfortable enough to think past what my tiny society expected of me as a women and looked for a different road for myself.

You saved me from a fate worse than physical death. You saved me from mental abuse and anguish over my entire life. Without knowing that your movement made a mark, I might still be in my hometown, an abused and uneducated housewife with no money, no means, and children I can't support and raise properly. You gave me the courage to travel outside the south, to live on the west coast. To finally see the ocean.

Don't ever think that you didn't make a difference, my friends. You might not have saved the world in one fell swoop. However, your presence is touching lives all over the planet, and we will carry on your work long after you are gone. You gave us the push, and we'll gain momentum. Thank you for that. We owe a lot to you, our history, our forefathers. :)

[mimosa]

"You gave us the push, and we'll gain momentum." Hippyfreek, great post.

I like this line that I quoted from you. because we all support each other, your push gives ME momentum also. It's all in the circle.

[wizarddrew77]

You sound more depressed with your life then upset over what you think did not happen or go down on the planet.

Many things have been accomplished and many are still happening right now.
Go check out Skips book which is online at this site for an entire list of the things that have been done.
Right now there is also this huge regeneration of The entire Hippy Scene.
Some of us never stopped living it.
Others got very attached to them selves and money.
Peace The Wiz
http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/love1.JPG

[pansy]

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[Ranger]

"You gave us the push, and we'll gain momentum." Hippyfreek, great post.

I like this line that I quoted from you. because we all support each other, your push gives ME momentum also. It's all in the circle.
Let me second that statement Mimosa and say, Thank you Hippyfreak! thank you for a most heartening post.

The thing I saw in the '80s was when Carter was elected many people seemed to think we had won and the world was changed and they basicly went to sleep politicly not giving him the continuing support that was needed. Instead too many folks converted to yuppies and retired from the fight for a better world for all in favor of a better world for 'me'.
"Two steps forward, one step back." Keep on truckin' folks!

[forest_pixie84]

you know I think yall did change the world

[headchangearts]

What is a hippie? My mom was a hippie, barefeet in the mall and all..

What is a family? LOVE
I have a family. Self-employed with our art work, trying to change the thinking of the world. Be respectful to everyone, smile when no one else is, look into the passing strangers eyes. Smile at someone who was not expecting it...you just changed the world. I think every positive (and negative) interaction causes a reaction. Will we stand together when the time comes? Our family may be imperfect, but we are true to eachother. I am young, but my mind in old. Be love. Teach love. Show love. The revolution has not even started.

[SLammon420]

I know there are some positives, but I'm having a hard time seeing them right now!

sure, there are alot of positives. you have influenced alot of younger kids to do the same thing and keep fighting the same fight. there has been a big wave of hippiedom that has swept over the youth and your generation is responsible for that so, feel good because you've inspired our generation to keep trying. there will be positive results they just may not be immediate or soon and we have to give it time and your suceeding generations of hippys will try to make it happen.

[SLammon420]

here i am posting about the results that are going to come and i didn't even mention the ones that already have. you've affected millions in a positive way already and more hippys are born everyday. thank you.

p.s. who says you have to stop changing the world now?

[pansy]

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[glarrison13]

How much change did you want ? I mean we got a war stopped. You can walk down the street looking like you want. I remember getting chased out of towns cause I had long hair for shit sake,getting turned down in a restarunt, getting hauled in to jail and having my head shaved and getting the shit kicked out of me for the way i looked. Womens rights, gay rights, Pot laws have been eased up and legalized some places.The problem I see is Lethargy and complacency in the younger ranks. We had a chance to get that beady Eyed sombitch out of office and nobody got out and voted!! Oh yea there is another thing I got my ass kicked for getting the 18 yr. old vote. what good is it when these younger generations won't get of there asses and do it. We could have a lot more if people would just get off their asses. But noooo. Oh well I guess I've said enough .gregg

[shameless_heifer]

The Negitive energy that has been radiating from this planet has been gathering in the heavens above us, since time began. Then scales were tiped and the negitivity came pouring back down on us.

In the 50/60s a new vibration of positive energy was now being brought together by likeminded people, who's intrest led them to join together and have a voice. A voice that spoke of Love and Peace and Equality for all Humanity/Earth/Creature.

All the "Rules" that blocked us from evolving Spiritualy were being challenged. The frequency was now being cluttered with static from all the killing in Nam and we were cut off from our Universal Flow from the Divine Source.

The ones that were not bound by tradition and governmental controll were seeking reconnection with the Source. Feelings were, we had lost connection with 'GOD' and were were trying to 'Get Back To The Garden' or recapture our oneness with our Higher Spirits.

We started asking questions, we questioned everything. Our need to know the truth was paramount. Did GOD exsist.

It was dificult to know the truth when ones were led to believe in peace and love Spiritualy and Physicaly go to war and kill. Spending our lives toiling in jobs we hate so we could pay for the war. Giving life and limb to a government that was NOT for the good of the ALL but only to themselves.

The feelings (vibes) we picked up from society at large made us break away from the force that bound us to conventional thinking. We began a quest to find the Truth.

Ones started coming together in sucluded places and having discussions on religion and world affairs. More people gathered and passed the vibe around that there was more to it lighting a spark that intrested the Spirit minded and with the combanation of Spirt and Intelect the Movement began.

With the quest for the truth we were developing a more peaceful vibration in the atmospheir above us and less negitive energy was being created. The power of the love energy was gathering at a tremedous rate as the likeminded ones grew in numbers and strenght.

With so much love energy being broadcasted into the universe at once the vibrational pull was changed and balance was in the making. Thought patterns were beinging to develope that were on more of an even flow with the univeral rythem.

This challenged the controll of the governmental forces of power and greed which they in turn promoted a 'war' against us. They hounded us and persicuted us and even killed us as we held our Peace Banners high. We were spit on, kicked, beaten, jailed and tortured. We had our babies ripped from our arms and put in 'Homes' because we were teaching them the way of love and peace.

We did not waver, we took it, ate it and survived it. We held strong in our beliefs. We gained knowledge, awareness of a connection with all things thus forming a new understanding which we pass on to our children and their children.

With 'conditioning' our offspring with love and awareness of Spiritual presents we will change the vribrational energy flow from negitive to positive and bring about a more peaceful world inviroment.

We did not stop, we did not disapear. We simply were building homes for our children. We had to provide a means of support to sustain us. We had obtained the knowledge we needed to Teach Our Children and that is what we are doing now, preparing our kids and grandkids for a better world.

We brought about change in 'our time'. We are changed. It is up to the generations that follow to contenue the change from the legacy we left. WE are still here, we will not let go. We Will take our stand when the time is called for us to rise up. Our numbers are many and our hearts are true.

Walk in the Light Brothers and Sisters, the Time draws near. Put your best in your "Work" and be joyful, create the change in you.

sh

[green_revolution]

I think that was the longest post I've ever read. But yeah dude, I totally agree!

[shameless_heifer]

I apologise for the length of my previous post Green. At times when the "Flow" is right, the words just keep coming, pouring out from the depths of my Being.

I have learned to just sit back and 'let er' fly' bc there is no stoping the Infinate Source when it takes hold.

Blessed Be My Brother.

[wandrnshaman]

Wow, that was really beautiful!

[Random Andy]

Yeah, that was beautiful, if slightly harrowing in parts but truth is truth.

May I just say as a post sixties person that you original hippies have certainly inspired me and I believe the change will be complete in the next few years. More on that to come.

I don't think humanity has been a negative force since our creation though. Just since the perversion of the RC church and its bastard offspring (not that I have anything against Jesus himself), but that's plenty long enough.

All change.

[shameless_heifer]

I should rephrase that first statement with, negitive forces since Man began. As the Planet itself is Glorious.

It IS humanity that has done the damage. It will also be humanity that will heal it. Wrong thinking, EGO thinking is what is our downfall is. Changing the way we think of ourselves will be the first step for change to take place.

sh

[hippiewise]

there's still plenty of us left. i'm a old hippie, 58 years young and still protesting and being an activist. try checking out www.stayhuman.org (http://www.stayhuman.org/), there are plenty of old and young hippie activists going strong and fighting to get bush and chenney to resign. it's a political forum and a cool place for spearheads, fans of spearhead and michael franti, a very political activist and protestor out of san francisco, they are a world band with outrageous music reggae/funk/rock/ and soul. check it out.

POWER TO THE PEACEFUL
HIPPIE WISE

[THUDLY]

I ran away to Greenwich Village in 1966 at the age of 18, not to change the world, but to become a writer. I had read a lot of Henry Miller, Jack Kerouac and others; listened to the early Bob Dylan and the rest of the folkies, and had become convinced that New York City was the place to be. I was right.


This was before the hippie thing and I fell into what was left of the beatnik scene. THANK YOU, GOD! My friends were wanna-be artists, musicians, writers for THE VILLAGE VOICE, schooner captains, collage-assemblers, etc. What we all had in common was this: we wanted to make as much money as possible by doing the least amount of work so we could devote our lives to reading, writing, painting and mastering the guitar or piano. Change the world? Hell, it suited us just fine the way it was-- only in America could conniving neer-do-wells like us exist in freedom. The war in Vietnam? Well, we just didn't go there, you understand. It was horrible, of course; we were against it, you see; but we actually didn't give one flying fuck if it continued forever.

Cynical, you say? Of course, but we preferred the term "realistic". We were educated people and knew that wars are a favorite and seemingly necessary form of recreation for a sizable percentage of the human race. We knew our history. The big thing is to avoid them.

By 1967, McDougal and West 4th St. and the area around Washington Square Park were beginning to be awash every night and most of the day with people whom the media (Herb Caen of THE SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER, mostly) began calling "hippies". To us, it was "teeny-boppers", and we picked up as many as we could. But, I was only a year or so older than they, and I soon was inviegled into driving cross-country in my un-inspected 1950 Chevy to check out the Haight-Ashbury scene.

Yes.

It was there when I first heard the term "change the world". By then, I was twenty and had New York street smarts. I watched the 24-7 procession of barefoot druggies, many of them only 13 or 14, drag themselves up and down the fog-shrowded streets, taking any drug that was offered, many times by men old enough to be their father, human predators who saw a golden opportunity to get some young pussy (or young cock) at the price of a couple joints. Ye Gods!

I sat many a night with stoned idiots, illiterate morons, wasted dunces who would shoot speed, drop STP, smoke cow manure if someone told them there was a buzz to be had. NEVER IN 6 MONTHS DID I HAVE ONE CONVERSATION ABOUT LITERATURE, ART, HISTORY, ANY GODDAMN THING EXCEPT DRUGS, ROCK MUSIC, CHANGING THE WORLD, DRUGS, THE FUCKING VIETNAM WAR, DRUGS, THE FUCKING PIGS, CHANGING THE WORLD, THEIR LATEST CASE OF CLAP, ROCK MUSIC,MAN!, DRUGS AND CHANGING THE WORLD! YOU DIG, MAN?

Jesus Jumping Christ! I returned to New York City, man, I had had enough!

That, my friends, is why we (the disgusting Baby-Boomer Generation [of which, unfortunately, I'm a member]) didn't change the world.

P.S." Wow, man!" (Wasted on a cornucopia of drugs, unwashed for a week, living on soda, corn-dogs and stale potato chips, balling anyone, anywhere, anytime, diseased or not)," Wasn't that groovy when we shot up in the bathroom at The Fish and Chips and rushed so bad we passed out for ten minutes?"

They changed the world, all right: they helped tp make it worse. We're still reaping the foul winds of the 60's.

[Donny Jr.]

That's a lot more than most people can comprehend, but I like it that way. It keeps evil ones from knowing what is REALLY going on. They have their ways and we have ours. It's still a battle of good and evil, but the rank and file are massing. If you want the change join the ranks!
Love ya, Donny Jr.

[hippiewise]

i feel that we did change the world. i remember seeing white and negro water fountains, i remember blacks having to sit at the back of the bus, i remember women hardly having any rights at all, i remember blacks having to give their lives to be able to have the right to vote, i remember the viet nam war being stopped by our generation from all the protests, i remember richard nixon having to resign because of water gate and all of us demonstrating. so the drugs got in the way, hey we were children coming from the uptight 50's where we had no rights, we went crazy with our freedom, we had to learn moderation. i am still fighting for a war to end, the Iraq war, i am still fighting to have a evil president impeached, i am still fighting for civil rights, the ERA and to keep abortion legal. we stood up and we shouted, 'HELL NO WE WON'T GO" to the war machine of the viet nam war, i think we did plenty and i think we will again. we are all needed to "get up, stand up, stand up for our rights," as bob marley sang to us to do.
hippie wise
power to the people

[Jim Colyer]

I think we did change the world. 50% good, 50% bad. Like every generation.

http://www.jimcolyer.com

[SLOTH]

Hey there everyone:
Hey Mosaic:I feel like we have lost the battle of them and us!
Us and the establishment!
I feel like we grew up and became them!
I feel lost and displaced,like there is no place for our kind!
The hippie days were good old days.
If it were not for our kind there would be no hope for the younger generations
of rebels,my kids included ages 29,17 and 15.
Be strong sister and hang tough!

[Calisto_Flyshigh]

i wasn't around in this era.. but i'd like to say to all the likeminded people to get a move on, and while it wont be quite like it was (as if i'd really know), we have all the time in the world for this generation and the next and so on and so forth to change the world. a little glitch cant let us lose all hope! i'm for a brighter future. =).

[mrplant]

[...] message deleted. I was too tired to write anything that makes sense ;)

[SLOTH]

Hey there THUDLY~
Heavy stuff you laid on us~
Sorry to say though that you
are right and that's the way it was~
So continue with the story~
What has become of you?
My brother is 65 and my sister is 63~
Both baby boomers ~
One a teacher,the other retired from Kennady Airport.
They don't have stories like yours to tell,
in fact they are quite the mainstream and boaring people.
between you and Shamless Heffier the wealth of first
hand knowledge that you bring to our table is priceless~
Take Care and be Well My Friend~
As always,
Carol/SLOTH

[hippypaul]

I am too young to offer my opinion. I have one question though.


Do you ever feel guilt? Was everything motivated by love? Were all your gifts honest?Yes - no - and no



No one ever grew up without doing a few things that they will always regret

No there was sex and drugs

No but we tried

[hippypaul]

Did you change the world? Yes. You changed my world.

I'm a 19 year old girl from a small southern town. I live right on the Mason-Dixon line. Racism is still prevelant, as is sexism. People are backwards, and close-minded. Other cultures are studied in school as if they occured long ago and have no effect on life on my town now. I grew up in this, feeling different and alone.

I grew up wondering why black people didn't go to my school. Why my mom didn't have a job and why daddy was allowed to be mean to her. Why no one ever seemed to leave the town to venture out, be different, try new things. When I was maybe 10, I started reading about the hippies and their movement. How you tried to change the world, spark love in every heart, knowledge and acceptance in every brain. Change the government and society. You thought outside the box, unphased by what the rest of the world thought of you. You became my heroes.

Because of you, all of you, I felt the strength to stand up to bullies in my school, defending the token black students, the homosexuals, womens rights. I felt justified in studying and trying to accept other religions and political systems. I felt comfortable enough to think past what my tiny society expected of me as a women and looked for a different road for myself.

You saved me from a fate worse than physical death. You saved me from mental abuse and anguish over my entire life. Without knowing that your movement made a mark, I might still be in my hometown, an abused and uneducated housewife with no money, no means, and children I can't support and raise properly. You gave me the courage to travel outside the south, to live on the west coast. To finally see the ocean.

Don't ever think that you didn't make a difference, my friends. You might not have saved the world in one fell swoop. However, your presence is touching lives all over the planet, and we will carry on your work long after you are gone. You gave us the push, and we'll gain momentum. Thank you for that. We owe a lot to you, our history, our forefathers. :)
It's not nice to make old men cry

[hippypaul]

I ran away to Greenwich Village in 1966 at the age of 18, not to change the world, but to become a writer. I had read a lot of Henry Miller, Jack Kerouac and others; listened to the early Bob Dylan and the rest of the folkies, and had become convinced that New York City was the place to be. I was right.


This was before the hippie thing and I fell into what was left of the beatnik scene. THANK YOU, GOD! My friends were wanna-be artists, musicians, writers for THE VILLAGE VOICE, schooner captains, collage-assemblers, etc. What we all had in common was this: we wanted to make as much money as possible by doing the least amount of work so we could devote our lives to reading, writing, painting and mastering the guitar or piano. Change the world? Hell, it suited us just fine the way it was-- only in America could conniving neer-do-wells like us exist in freedom. The war in Vietnam? Well, we just didn't go there, you understand. It was horrible, of course; we were against it, you see; but we actually didn't give one flying fuck if it continued forever.

Cynical, you say? Of course, but we preferred the term "realistic". We were educated people and knew that wars are a favorite and seemingly necessary form of recreation for a sizable percentage of the human race. We knew our history. The big thing is to avoid them.

By 1967, McDougal and West 4th St. and the area around Washington Square Park were beginning to be awash every night and most of the day with people whom the media (Herb Caen of THE SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER, mostly) began calling "hippies". To us, it was "teeny-boppers", and we picked up as many as we could. But, I was only a year or so older than they, and I soon was inviegled into driving cross-country in my un-inspected 1950 Chevy to check out the Haight-Ashbury scene.

Yes.

It was there when I first heard the term "change the world". By then, I was twenty and had New York street smarts. I watched the 24-7 procession of barefoot druggies, many of them only 13 or 14, drag themselves up and down the fog-shrowded streets, taking any drug that was offered, many times by men old enough to be their father, human predators who saw a golden opportunity to get some young pussy (or young cock) at the price of a couple joints. Ye Gods!

I sat many a night with stoned idiots, illiterate morons, wasted dunces who would shoot speed, drop STP, smoke cow manure if someone told them there was a buzz to be had. NEVER IN 6 MONTHS DID I HAVE ONE CONVERSATION ABOUT LITERATURE, ART, HISTORY, ANY GODDAMN THING EXCEPT DRUGS, ROCK MUSIC, CHANGING THE WORLD, DRUGS, THE FUCKING VIETNAM WAR, DRUGS, THE FUCKING PIGS, CHANGING THE WORLD, THEIR LATEST CASE OF CLAP, ROCK MUSIC,MAN!, DRUGS AND CHANGING THE WORLD! YOU DIG, MAN?

Jesus Jumping Christ! I returned to New York City, man, I had had enough!

That, my friends, is why we (the disgusting Baby-Boomer Generation [of which, unfortunately, I'm a member]) didn't change the world.

P.S." Wow, man!" (Wasted on a cornucopia of drugs, unwashed for a week, living on soda, corn-dogs and stale potato chips, balling anyone, anywhere, anytime, diseased or not)," Wasn't that groovy when we shot up in the bathroom at The Fish and Chips and rushed so bad we passed out for ten minutes?"

They changed the world, all right: they helped tp make it worse. We're still reaping the foul winds of the 60's.Not quite the way I remember it - yea there is some truth in what you say - but I suspect that you were an elitist then and are one now - but that is cool - elitists provided a lot of our books and music - but they missed many things.

[nananie]

it's a cry from a sort of hapyness isnt it?? well then it's oke i think?? else i'll whipe your tears oldie ;)

[hippypaul]

it's a cry from a sort of hapyness isnt it?? well then it's oke i think?? else i'll whipe your tears oldie ;)
yea - its a happy cry - thanks

[nananie]

yea - its a happy cry - thanks i didnt mean that oldie in a bad way, excusme me if ya did think i did

[hippypaul]

i didnt mean that oldie in a bad way, excusme me if ya did think i did
not at all I came by my oldie in an honest way - one day at a time (grin)

[USNavyDeadHead]

I would like to echo the words of HippieFreak. I am a 31 year old son of a hippie that was trying to survive and provide for a family after my father split. There was no time for my mother to still try to change the world when she was faced with the prospect of putting food on the table.

She taught me an awful lot about life, love and music. She allowed me to make my own choices and forced me to deal with the consequences of those choices. She taught me to keep an open mind to others and to just be nice to people. She was both Mom and Dad and did one hell of a job.

Granted some people, as always, will wonder how I can serve in the military and believe me, sometimes I wonder that too. But I see each generation becomeing a little more open and a little more loving. Progress takes time. Sometimes people do not live to see the results of their labors. I feel my responsablity is to my son. To teach him what my mother taught me and to hope that other Generation Xers are doing the same. The best way any of us can change the world is to be positive role models for our children and grandchildren.

Sure the baby boomers/children of the 60'smade mistakes...but what generation didnt? No matter what happens there will still be those that get older and base their lives around material possesions, cheat at golf and beat the hell out of their kids.

Maybe I am silly to think that things will get better... but I do. And we have the 60's to thank for getting it started.

[Ramona]

I know as a young person this isn't my place to write, but I was reading some posts and I have something to say.

What you guys did all of those years ago may not have completely changed the world for the better, but through hearing your alternitive views on situations I and thousands of other young people are out there in the world right now trying to make it better. Yes, you did in fact get your message through to the next generation, if only a small fraction of it. I intend to live freely and see life from a different perspective while attempting to make life better for others. I have the hippies of the past to thank for inspiring me to be a better more open-minded person. So thanks. I think you have made a difference, to at least some people out there.

[AmericanWanderer]

Likewise, I'm a young person, but I just had to say that of COURSE you changed the world. Your generation made fantastic music. Music so great that the kids today still think it's cool--can you imagine that? We STILL can't top it.

And of course, all the equality issues were recognized after you guys brought attention to them. If it weren't for you, the world would be so conservative and bad--it breaks my heart that you think you failed.

[mimosa]

I would like to echo the words of HippieFreak. I am a 31 year old son of a hippie that was trying to survive and provide for a family after my father split. There was no time for my mother to still try to change the world when she was faced with the prospect of putting food on the table.

She taught me an awful lot about life, love and music. She allowed me to make my own choices and forced me to deal with the consequences of those choices. She taught me to keep an open mind to others and to just be nice to people. She was both Mom and Dad and did one hell of a job.

Granted some people, as always, will wonder how I can serve in the military and believe me, sometimes I wonder that too. But I see each generation becomeing a little more open and a little more loving. Progress takes time. Sometimes people do not live to see the results of their labors. I feel my responsablity is to my son. To teach him what my mother taught me and to hope that other Generation Xers are doing the same. The best way any of us can change the world is to be positive role models for our children and grandchildren.

Sure the baby boomers/children of the 60'smade mistakes...but what generation didnt? No matter what happens there will still be those that get older and base their lives around material possesions, cheat at golf and beat the hell out of their kids.

Maybe I am silly to think that things will get better... but I do. And we have the 60's to thank for getting it started.
I really liked your post. hug your mom for me, if you can. Love to your family, and to you.

[SLOTH]

Hey there momosa,
What is your horoscope sign?
I am cancer the crab 69
If you want to chat,
drop me a line.
Gabba Gabba Hey

[JiFFyBaByFLYaWaY]

change can and will still happen

[JiFFyBaByFLYaWaY]

changing the world... is now the new generation of hippies' job... and if we dont do anything but help it along... the next generation will keep up the changing

[abudman]

"we didn't start the fire....."

[abudman]

I'm not a very religous person but think that Jesus was probably the first hippy. Thoughts?

[Bocks]

The world was changed a little, I think. There was a mental revolution: though subtle, it was definitely there. We achieved a lot from the '60s, and if it doesn't seem like a lot, it's because for major change, we need a great deal of people who want change. Realistically, there weren't that many true world-changing hippies...

[Bocks]

And I completely agree about Jesus. Spreading the word of peace and love, essentially. I think that's admirable, and captures the basics of just about every major religion.

[Goddess Om]

[QUOTE=Feralking]Don't lose heart,sister.Think of what it would be like now if we all hadn't taken a stand against the status quo.It can seem like we have lost the battle and that our movement is no longer active in the world,but in fact there are many cahnges that have occured in society because of the hippies.It's a fact that the world is still in a mess,and at the moment things are looking real bad,but if we stop being who we are,then we have truely lost the plot.Often without us even being aware of it,we have an effect on people we meet.Don't underestimate the magic that you have more than likely worked on the lives of others simply in being who you are.QUOTE}

I too believe we continued to make a difference, by being who we are and by passing on our values to the younger generation, our own kids coming through.
I think the Universe had a Plan...we were all born in a big bunch (baby boomers) so we could have a great influence on the planet - mostly to bring in Peace and Humanitarian ideals - and we did that.
The First Stage - that was our teen years - rebellion, idealism, change
The Second Phase - that was the way we related with our own children and within our societies as adults, grown-ups, breadwinners.
The Third Phase - that is passing on our wisdom and experience. Seeing through the commercialism and the power struggles, the propaganda and the hippocracy. Reminding people that they are not powerless, that they have a voice, that they MUST have a voice. Teaching our grandchildren to care for the environment, to protect the animals, to live by humane and compassionate ideals and values.
When we think back to the past - that was to a Blaze of Glory - our prime, our youth and our passion. But if we refuse to give that up, we can be just as active as agents of change and improvement in society as we ever were.

The worst thing that can happen to any of us is that we finally sit down and shut up. What a loss to the world that would be! It makes me cry to think about it.

One thing is for sure - The Earth Mother loves us with her sweet heart and wants us to STAY ALIVE AND KICKING.
I love you all too!

[SLOTH]

I've been away from the forums for awhile, busy with life, and had to come back for some comfort. I've been just feeling kind of nostalgic lately and wondering what happend to the generation that was going to change the world? When I listen to the music I remember the feeling I had being a part of it all, thinking we really were gonna find a better way. I think a lot of us have, in our own lives, made a difference and lived out our beliefs, but on the whole I see little change in society.

I don't know, somebody refresh my memory and tell me we are better off, that we have made inroads, and have left a positive lasting impact for the following generations. I know there are some positives, but I'm having a hard time seeing them right now!

~mosaic, feeling sorry for herself...:


Hey there mosaic:
I tend to agree with your views~
It saddens me to think that maybe
we came all this way for nothiing?
I am hoping that the next generation will pick
up where we left off in the fight and cause?
I still think that Big Brother and the establishment
is a giant evil to be delt with~

Gabba Gabba Hey

[newo]

We did change the world somewhat, but the world also changed us.

We had to grow up and face the facts.
The world is not all peace, love, flowers and sunshine.
Pacifism is not universally respected and many times is taken advantage of; turning the other cheek often results in getting both cheeks slapped.
Sometimes going to war is the lesser of two evils.
Communism is not a viable system because the human race is too immature to make it work.
You can celebrate diversity but it's naive to think you're going to accept everyone the way they are.
There will always be those who despise diversity.
All things considered, marijuana cannot be classified as harmless.
Money talks and bullshit walks.

We modified our values but did not abandon them. We made some changes and realized that some of the other changes we wanted were ahead of their time. Change comes gradually because a smaller change is usually necessary before a larger change can occur; one thing leads to another. Most important of all, we've held on to the hope that the better world we envisioned will be realized someday.

[SLOTH]

:)
Gabba Gabba Hey

[shameless_heifer]

I belive that people have come quite a distance and have evolved dramaticaly since the forties and fifties.
I grew up in the south and now living back in my homeland I find things have changed as the hands of time reaches out and captures the old system of things and is wearing it away, like the waves of a giant ocean of humanity eating away the old shoreline to bring up the new and shinny thing that lay dormat on the on the bottom of the sea of life.
We traveled far and wide searching for the truth of our purpose and educated ourselves in what we thought was important and that was not the War Machine that our country had become. We changed the vibrational flow of the universe, with the Peace Movement. We gave the universe more balance in the ying and yang of things We flooded the world with peace and brotherhood, our message was clear,it was our contibution, it was the Love Generation that brought into existance.
Things are not perfect, we are not 'In Spirit' but of the body on this earthly plane, we stumble and fall, we make poor judgements and sometimes let our EGO rule us. But basicaly I belive that humans are a loving creature and will evolve to a higher emotional level over time, if we do not destroy the planet in the meantime.
sh

[gate68]

I've been away from the forums for awhile, busy with life, and had to come back for some comfort. I've been just feeling kind of nostalgic lately and wondering what happend to the generation that was going to change the world? When I listen to the music I remember the feeling I had being a part of it all, thinking we really were gonna find a better way. I think a lot of us have, in our own lives, made a difference and lived out our beliefs, but on the whole I see little change in society.

I don't know, somebody refresh my memory and tell me we are better off, that we have made inroads, and have left a positive lasting impact for the following generations. I know there are some positives, but I'm having a hard time seeing them right now!

~mosaic, feeling sorry for herself...
We sure had a big ego back then,thinking we were "different".Somehow we were special and could change the course of history.We have become our parents as our children will become us.We're still paranoid worrying about others getting our stuff,still competing,still warring,still carrying guns,still prejudiced and close minded.You can't change the world only yourself.

[hippiewise]

Gate 68,
I really like what you said here:



"We sure had a big ego back then,thinking we were "different".Somehow we were special and could change the course of history.We have become our parents as our children will become us.We're still paranoid worrying about others getting our stuff,still competing,still warring,still carrying guns,still prejudiced and close minded.You can't change the world only yourself"

I am a hippie from the 60's generation, 58 years young, and I know what you mean, it was such an exciting time, we did alot during our generation. just think of what it used to be like. i remember blacks having to ride at the back of the bus, not being able to vote, women having to stay in abusive relationships. our generation helped stop an unjust war in viet nam, we got rid of president nixon. we had the courage to rebel against the uptight 50's. but i miss those days too. check out www.stayhuman.org, it's a cool website for young and old hippies too and for the band spearhead. i love going to those concerts cause you see the younger generation protesting the war in iraq and looking just like we did when we were young. but i still love the music from the 50's , 60's and 70's, man, that was some good kick ass music.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

[gate68]

now blacks ride in the back of the squad car,woman and small children are beaten and raped,we have an unjust war in Iraq,and we traded in nixon for a second generation bush.The reason the kids are protesting like we did is that they are being faced with the same future that we did.We need to lose our paranoia that we've gathered over the years The hate and prejudices that we have gained from living life and facing reality.We need to toss our weaponry and unlock our doors,get back to the streets that is if we truly want to get back to the garden.peace

[Ursula Buendia]

what happend to the generation that was going to change the world? I' afraid of being rude, but I decided to write what I think, however:
That generation was the experimental generation: They tasted, explored all the existing drugs! Because of this, today it's known which medicament may cause what kind of damages. They were like bunnies in the laboratories, the only difference was that they theyself were making experiments on themselves. Now we know, what final effects LSD, Marijuana etc. have.
Secondly, because of the fact that we can easy have sex without wedding and other ceremonies.. -we must be grateful of hippies. They've given us this gift :)
However, that generation was the most peaceful generation in all times!!!! They really could change the world in political way in case of no drugs.. They were in surrealistic, psychedelic world all the time, they were not HERE, how could they change something?? However, they really have the power of it because they knew how to love.

I'm so sorry that hippies ended in this way :( I really wish to have the generation of beautiful people second time, but I am afraid it will never repeat ..

[sassure]

We did in fact change the world, but then time passed and the world went back to killing one another and making money. As for us, we isolated ourselves more and made our revolution a more personal thing.....though some of us also went out and started making money anyway.

But you can't help noticing that the world's pretty broken and in need of repair; people are spiritually broken and in need of repair. Love isn't a fad or the slogan for a generation; it's something that has to be embraced as a lifestyle. Killing and bombing and hating and making money are the best ways to kill the spirit and bring on death, disease, destruction. When will they ever learn? Seeger said it best, and it isn't a fad. It's common sense, and until the world comes back to its senses, death will continue to reign supreme.

True hippies have never strayed from the path. Embrace love and live for it, or you die.

[shameless_heifer]

Ursula, I don't mean to sound rude either, but maybe the books your reading are not sending you the right message of what really took place in that era, or what we hippies are doing now.

I don't see many young people of today out trying to change things. We are a lifestyle not an experiment. As far as drugs, LSD-25 opened up a whole new world of possibilities, and open eyes and hearts to being human or to human being. We of likemind gathered together to change things and we did, we set a balance in the universe. We sent out love and brotherhood, unity and strength. All the negitivity that being let loose in the universe was building up and causing an imbalance in the atmostphier. With our chants and prayers and our outcry for justice and equility we changed events that were taking place in the universal flow. Sas has a point about time taking it's tole and things reverting back as they were, but I don't feel that it's our generations fault, but the ones that came up after, they were suppose to pick up the torch and carry through, they were the ones that chose the currupt money and politcial route.
Sure some of us had to seek employment to feed our families but we held true to our beliefs and taught our children a better way. What they, you or whom ever do is their choice. What we did was realize and we acted upon it. We got imprisoned, beat, riddiculed, spit on, run out of towns, and even killed for just having long hair and beads. You can wear what you want now days. You can gather/speak in peaceful assembly and not be shot. You can be different and still be accepted by humanity. That's the road we paved for the younger ones coming up behind us. We made it easier for you to express your freedoms. We are still trying to change things. We are voting, we are demonstrating against the war, we are still fighing the battle. Why not ask yourself what you doing to imporve things yourself instead of what we are doing to improve thing for you, or making uneducated speculations.(no offence intended). I just grow (as many of us do) weary of carring all the responsibility of changing or not changing the world. We did what we could. Who failed who?
sh
sh

[SLOTH]

Hey there SH,
Again I aplaud you for setting the record
right as to how it was,how it is and how the newbies can make it be~
You are right,our tired bones have already walked the walk and talked
the talk, and have been around the block so many times that we own it~

[teepi]

One of my all time favorite sayings "Want to change the world???
Start with yourself."

That is all you can do.
You start with the way you choose to view the world.....with love in your heart,or with greed in your mind.
Then you live accordingly.

The way the world is set up...its hard to "change" anything in any kind of timely manner on a large scale,if the majority people are on different pages. It cannot possibly change any major course unless mass numbers are affected by a like situation and come together to shift the course at the same time.

The Vietnam war did this...many people who were not even personally effected by that war "caught" the vibe and joined in. It brought a tremendous amount of people together with a common goal.It also taught us that the Goverment is not always "for: the people.
We started to question our leadership...and still do.

Maybe this lie of a war will do the same.

But yes while that generation of baby boomers and those close in age lived a life of breaking rules, breaking ties that bound, and pushing the norm over the edge,.. they also grew up and alot had to become responsible adults....and alot realized they were becoming their parents...haha.
How many times did I say "I'll never say THAT to my kid"...and said it??

We live and we learn, we go on our path. We change our ideals and hopefully replace them with better ones.

The world around us has a ripple effect as do we on it.

Right now I see big changes coming.
Greed being at the root.
And that is why I am glad I held on to alot of my beliefs about living as close to the land as you can
Carry no debt.
Learn everything you can about doing for yourself.
Turn your passion into a trade or learn one.
Be prepared for anything that may come your way.
Realize this country owes you nothing and thats probably what you'll end up getting anyway.
Learn how to barter and learn how to have something to barter with.

Ask yourself this...If the power went off, the phones went down, and all the stores closed,what would I do.

If you know any young people or have children..teach them what you know.
This is important.
If you don't know anything...find someone willing to teach you, then pass it on.

We are all connected.

Someone said earlier...we have not stopped yet we can still create change....look at the sweet young ones who are here. Who want to continue of carrying that torch that we lit....they are the ones to talk to,encourage,embrace and teach.

I remember being that 12 year old who ran away and found a community of freaks willing to take me in and put me in touch with nature and myself.
We owe it to ourselves, our planet, our children and each other to recognize these youngins who are eager to hear what we have to say.

Yes we are not done yet.

And I know alot of us are tired but share a story or 2.
Give a bit of advice or encouragement...share your little ol light.

love to all of you,
teepi

[dlo24844]

Bring back pure LSD-25 in heavy doses. It's what fuelled the Haight-Ashbury. Love and Peace (still) R.A.T AUZTRALIA

[mimosa]

Teepi, so glad you're back...missed you and your posts. :)

This was a good one you posted here...we need you, don't go away!!!

[SLOTH]

Hey there mimosa~
Any luck contacting Jose yet?
You got me worried~
RSVP on an E mail will ya~

[ozrics]

They have got jobs 'mobile phones' computers'internet'nice houses
rebelling my arse.For most it was a fad'no gumtion
sold out
dead head for ever

[Or's well]

I'm a "newbie", but at 27 I think that I have had a reasonable amount of life experience to know when things aren't right. I've had the good job, the nice apartment and the company car. I've had more money than one person could need. And I was as miserable as hell.

I never intended to become a "hippie", I've been labeled one. But if that label puts me in a group that sees love and beauty of in people and the world, who want peace and a return to past values (community, well-being, loving thy neoghbour, no borders, etc) then by all means stick a label on me.

I am frustrated that there doesn't seem to be much happening in the world, as far as making a "hippie" difference goes. But I'm learning that it does begin with oneself, and if your lucky you can spread that to a few close, deserving people.

Life sucks, it probably always will. The secret is to block out the shit and live your life, to your values.

Love, peace and happiness to all forum members xx

[gdhmomchild]

I' afraid of being rude, but I decided to write what I think, however:
That generation was the experimental generation: They tasted, explored all the existing drugs! Because of this, today it's known which medicament may cause what kind of damages. They were like bunnies in the laboratories, the only difference was that they theyself were making experiments on themselves. Now we know, what final effects LSD, Marijuana etc. have.
Secondly, because of the fact that we can easy have sex without wedding and other ceremonies.. -we must be grateful of hippies. They've given us this gift :)
However, that generation was the most peaceful generation in all times!!!! They really could change the world in political way in case of no drugs.. They were in surrealistic, psychedelic world all the time, they were not HERE, how could they change something?? However, they really have the power of it because they knew how to love.

I'm so sorry that hippies ended in this way :( I really wish to have the generation of beautiful people second time, but I am afraid it will never repeat ..
Excuse me in advance. I usually finish reading all the posts before I respond but this one just smacked me in the face.

Sweety, its a sad sad thing that you think this is the only contribution. Just because we did LSD doesn't mean we are brain dead puddle fuckered. This generation is fried out on a shitload more (and worse) drugs than acid and pot!! Meth and cocaine in the form of crack is epidemic and contributes nothing, ectectect. You seem to be helping to perpetuate things about hippies that I find demeaning and are about the minority of a large and diversified group.

It would appear that you haven't a clue of how many things were created by those "bunnies". Alot of the new technology that is around today for example. Many of the original programmers have quietly admitted to being high as fock when they created much of what we take for granted on the computer like having a working operating system. Alot of literature as well as art, music....created much more than most people realize or ever will.

Final effects on marijuana and LSD...hmmmm.....oh...my mutant, three eyes twelve toed children I suppose *wanders off to finish reading this thread while giggling*

[shameless_heifer]

I know that everyone is intitled to their opinion, but an opinion is usualy back up by facts, where in your most wild imagination did you get you information on hippies at.
I personnaly dropped over 500 times, the best purple Owzley ever made. I smoked at least 3 bales of weed and did a ton of methadrine(the real deal). I've smoked DMT, Hash, and a shitload of other so called drugs like peyote and shrooms. I don't do these 'drugs' any more cuz I'm in a good place in my head and heart and don't need them. I do smoke the peace pipe still, but my point is, I did all this and have been smoking pot for 42 years and I am here to tell ya, weed doesn't harm anyone.
I'm dang near 55, ya I know I'm young yet, but most of the straight people I know my age are on every kind of fucked up DRUG that the PharmCos pump into them with out question or study and later it's discoverd that they are POSION and then they die or live a few horribaly painful years and then die. I don't take MEDs and I am fine, no heart problems, no diabetes, no high blood pressure, no mental depression no enything. The only thing that makes me sick is IGNORANCE.
Ursala you need to read different books. Not the ones in your history class bc they do not ring true. Schools are run by the state which is govt standerds. ole gov doesn't want you to know the truth, gov wants to keep us down, ole gov wants us dead and out of the way.
Don't believe everything you learn in school is the truth, only the truth that the gov says is truth is how they control you, and they don't tell what Creator holds as truth. They took HIM out of society and replaced HIM with, humm, lets see, ahh, yes they replaced HIM with BUSH.
sh

[SLOTH]

Hey there SH~
You are the very best at what you do~
Best of all you give constructive critisisim~
Anyone with an ear for learning from the
people who were there
will surely be turned on to the real
deal and facts about drugs and big brother~

[shameless_heifer]

Hi Carol,
I can only say what I know is TRUTH, I am a seeker of truth and light. I can smell bullshit walking a mile away. It's the Heart of the matter that I seek. What I know from all I have experienced and what I have seen others experience is what I draw the truth from. I'm not in a box but free to think and free to learrn and grow in knowledge and spirit. We are here to pass on what we have learn, we must reach the youngers and tell them the truth about the Game of Life and How To Play.
The Beats enlightened the youngers of their time (us baby boomers) and we evolved into The Hippy. What we bring to the Table of Life and feed our Children will bring on a new evelution/revelution into play. But only with the TRUTH shall you see the real side of what we are/were. So listen closely and learn, and don't assume you know us from your school books view of who we are and what we represent.
Brightest Blessings
sh

[Ursula Buendia]

Good evening Ladies,
I see you're angry with me :(
I haven't have any books in school about hippies. Everything I know about them is from hipforum.com and hippy.com and please notice that I haven't said that hippies didn't do anything!
The question of this thread was: what happend? - this means that why isn't world peacful, why are the children of hippies not hippies? There was the whole youth who wanted peace, who wanted change the world, why haven't come those hippies in government and change the world? I've answered that I think that they haven't power to make political things, because they were under drugs all the time! I know it's good for spirituality, self-findness etc. but with surrealistic mind it's impossible to change the world.
However, I've one more quetion now..: Why haven't broke up those hippies their chidren so, that they wanted peace as much as their parents??? After generetions weren't so peacful and today we see new and new wars in the world. So answer, why??
Dear Sh, you're very right that you don't use meds. I think it damages organism.
However, I'm not agree that drugs are safe. They are bad.
So please don't be angry. I've said in my previous post that man needs clear mind to do something worldwide. You were very big in amount and you could really change the politic. I don't think that there will be the same generation ever, who wholy wants peace. You had a chance, but you wanted to be deep spiritually... it's some egoistish I think.. however, I don't say that hippys haven't done ANYTHING. They were really helpful for us, but not in peace.

[shameless_heifer]

No one is angry at you, you just don't see the point. And you keep saying we did nothing for Peace. I beg to differ.
Did you grow up in the 50's when women were expected to go to school marry their high school sweetheart get married have babies be a housewife and nothing more ahh yes and be a subservient, submisive wife under her husbands rule. Did you take a look in the deep southern states where the blackman were hung and dragged through the streets because they spoke to a white woman or did you ever have a job in that era where women got .55 per hour and a man got 3.50 for the same job. And children were seen and not heard.
I lived in Dallas as a child and the only black people I saw was a nanny we had once and a man at Whites Cafiteria cleaning the floor. You were ousted if you talked to the few hispanics that were around. And sent to a home if you mixed with the "blacks".
There may be residue from that era still here but not on as large of a scale as it was in my day.
The Hippie just stopped thinking in that narrowminded box and started to come alive with dreams and ideas of a better way.
Some went and got lost in the drugs but not all of us. We didn't stay fucked up when we grew up. Most of us don't do drugs at all except for smoke. You ask Why we were not in politics, we were, do you think that the machine was going to let us in. Hell no we faught like cats and rats trying to break through the iron doors of the Illuminati. Only Creator can stop the Illuminati. Now go look up Illuminati and we'll talk further.
sh

[gdhmomchild]

Well said s_h. I was never angry either. I was just pointing out what I saw as an incorrect evaluation.

[shameless_heifer]

hey Mom,
I think sometimes our words come out harsher then they were meant. As we cannot see the faces and eyes of the ones who speak to them on the net, one cannot always know that the eyes and face are kind and caring and not mean or hard. That the things said are given in love and caring for ones fellow man. How can we change things if we cannot relate, how can we teach and learn if we bind ouselves to convention.
Ursula, We wanted connection with Spirit because the reality of the body was not enough. We thought if we could find our purpose we could become better people. we thought if we joined together in a large scale we could bring balance back to the universe, and we did for a time. Peace starts within and works outward. The first steps in making a change is inside each one of us, it's starts at home. It's carrried from the heart of home into the streets for all to wittness and share in. It was not us that stoped. We are still here. See us working to being about peace.
sh

[hippiewise]

hi ursula,
my name is hippiewise and i have been reading your post about the hippies of the 60's. i agree with you and feel that drugs deffinetely got in our way. we did accomplish alot though. i remember when black people had to ride on the back of the bus and they couldn't legally vote, i remember when women had no rights at all, i remember when the native americans had no voice at all. i remember having to stay in an abusive marriage because once again women had no rights, and there was no where to go for help. i am a motivational speaker and i always tell my audience that i felt the drugs got in our way of changing the world. but you see we were like children in a candy shop, in the beginning we didn't know the drugs would hurt us, then we found out later that they did. i lost many friends from overdoses and many music artists are gone because of overdosing: jimi hendrix, jim morrison, janis joplin, the list goes on. but i do believe that pot opened our minds alot and sometimes gave us the courage to stand tall against a puritanical world and government. my generation, i am now 58 years old, left our homes because we were tired of being told how to do everything, including living our lives. mainly, alot of white uppermiddle class kids, like myself protested against the 50's way of life, very uptight and rigid. i enjoyed the sexual revolution very much, until it caught up with me, like it did so many others. but i hope you understand that we did change the world by breaking the barriers that were inflicted upon us and in our way. we did it our way, whether it was right or wrong, we did it. the women's rights movement gave me the courage in 1973 to leave an abusive husband. i have been a protestor since the early 70's. i feel that your generation has the same opportunity that we did, but maybe without the drugs, what do you think? i like the fact that you have the courage to ask the questions that you do. peace and joy, hippiewise

[SLOTH]

Hey there everyone~
If anyone really cares to know how it was and is,
ask SH~
From all that I have read and come to know about her
I would say from my personal standpoint that she is one of a handfull
who holds a wealth of knowledge in her heart and mind~
I do not believe that she will ever stear anyone in the wrong dirrection
when it comes to the truth about our generation.
For all of the newbies,SH has been there and done that whole scene~
Has come full circle with herself and her life~
She has nothing to gain by being a moderator or teacher to us,
except to keep on spreading the word and fighting for the cause~
Be it 2005 or back in the day,
SH calls it like it is~
No hold backs~
Just streight up truth~
Appreciate what she brings to our table and learn from it~
We can't put our arms around a memory but we do have
It is always a pleasure and honor to read any of her posts~
SH:
Thanks for taking thie time to reach into your heart and for
always being true to yourself~
As always Carol

[Ursula Buendia]

Dear SH, you haven't answered me: why aren't hippie's children peacful? Why were that the only generation who wanted peace?? You loved every man in the world, why cound't you teach your children to this world?

I'll just say what I think: in the whole history of the world, in my opinion "hippy time" was the only time, in which world could be turn to peacful one. and I feel some angry 'cause you haven't use that chance. I'l repeat hundread times, that I know you've done many beautiful, useful, peacful things for the world, but there's still war and hate. people are still killing for nithing.. No one is allowed to the white house, I know. but you were the whole generation and I feel very sad that you lost that only chance. you could really change the politic guys and ladies.

Dear hippiewise, I'm thankful very very much of your post. You don't hide the reality of those times: both +es and -es. I think hippies are the greatest event of the history for all times and I'm very angry with you, hippies, that you lost your chance because of silly drugs. I know hippiewise, you needed it to stay strong because of great preasure from previous generations, but I'm very sad that it has killed your motion.
and dear SH, please don't say that drugs don't hurt. It's proved that they do.
and I please you all not to hide facts. I were not there but it doesn't mean I don't know anything.
Peace to you all! You are all nice :)

[hippiewise]

ursela, i didn't say that i needed drugs to stay strong at all, what i meant was that pot helped open my mind from a very restrictive world in the 50's. i do not believe that anyone has to use drugs, or that drugs are necessary. and i'd like to say that maybe you are concentrating too much on what my generation should have done. it is your chance now and your peers to do what you can to change the world, stop this evil war in iraq and bring peace to the world. it's a big job and we did our best, but we were not the saviours of the world, we all have to work together to create a peaceful existance. so i'd like to know, what are you going to do to change things? i have so much postivie feelings because of the younger generation of today's hippies and peaceniks.
peace and joy
hippiewise

[SLOTH]

Hey there Ursula Buendia:
I can't answer for SH~
But I can give a personal opinion in response to your question for SH~
It would be wonderful if there was one world,and one people~
But~The hippies were just one sub group in a changing world,that had the balls to stand up for their rights and question how things were being handled by Big Brother~

We had dreams,ideals and good wishes hoping that we could make some
positive changes for the next generation~
We did not fail~
We did make changes~
Are our children angry?
You bet!
Why?
Because they have seen first hand how hard we tried
to make things better,but no one was listening to us~
You can't just blow us off as a lost generation of youth~
Every young person has the ability to unite for [their] cause~
The PUNKS just stopped caring to make things right through peace~
So we broke heads~

Every one does one type or a drug or another at some time in their life~
Even perscription drugs are drugs!
We all need to escape from this world in one way or the other~
I suppose all things are ok in moderation?
or we just burn out and get brain dead or od~

The reason why there is still hate,killings and war is because man-kind
was born like this!
It started from the beginnings of time~
You have to read~
Knowledge is power~
We come into this world with origional sin~
We as a race are everything that you oppose and dislike~
You can't expect any one sub culture to be the savior of all~
Look at history~
Look at all what was done to all the peace keepers~
Jesus Christ was perfect and look at what was done to him~
Just read before you try to judge the hippies~
we were not all druggies who beaded and used Patchuli oil~
We were smart college students from good homes too~
But we had our time~
Now it's yours~
Carry on~

[shameless_heifer]

When did I say drugs were good?!? I hate the use of drugs, I'm an Herbologest, I heal ones with natues herbs and oils. What I said was LSD-25 opened doors of the universe to us. I don't and never have conciderd Pot as a drug. They have done fourty yr studies on Pot and still can't find where it harms anyone. And I am not going to get into a debate about it. That Is My Belief and I own it.
If you ever read any of my other post I make it perfectly clear my stand on drugs.
So your angry at me for not saving your ass. well dear I was worried about saving my own at the time. Where I lay in the hospital with broken ribs for trying to protect my infant son as the 'Man" broke down my door and beat me senceless for trying to tell them there was a baby bed next to the door. I'm not going to die for you, die for yourself. Stand the fuck up and make your own damn way. I'm not here to live up to your expections. I didn't let you down, you let your ownself down. Tho I love you I am not responsible for your happiness. It's not middle class america that is causing shit, it's the poverty stricken that are clamoring for some one to do something for them. The inner city kids with no hope for excape. I cannot create a better life for them. I can contribute and pray for them, but it's up to each one of us to make our own way in life. I'm not handing out nirvana here. It's not my JOB. My job is to take care of me and mine and help who I can on the way. PEROID.
Dont come in here pushing blame on us hippies, we did, now you do.
sh

[Ursula Buendia]

Damn... hm.. how ironic. I thought here was the only place in my life, in which I could discuss things peacefully, without harm and abusing and...
"So your angry at me for not saving your ass".. "Stand the fuck up and make your own damn way".. "Dont come in here pushing blame on us hippies"- ok, I'll never come in again if it iritates you dear ladies. I just thought we were talking about past problems, but it became a fight in the end:( I just had some questions and some opinions of mine, and it didn't mean that I wanted someone to save me. Maybe you don't have understand me right because of my bad english.. But it isn't improtant anymore, 'cause I saw that you, real old hippies don't are so peaceful, so lovely as I thought. For me you really were the idols man..I thought hippies were the greatest people in the world's history man... I mean I was excited of you and was discussing with you that problems, 'cause I was really curious and wanted to listen the answer, but not "fuck up!"
hm... Carol was saying all the time I was entering this thread that SH is the typical hippy, good teacher etc. Carol, where's gone her full-of-love heart ?? Why is she talking to me like any usual person, who don't understands why not to fight, why not to kill, why not to hate??
And you dear hippiwise, have told me now it's my time to do something for the world. Who will be my example, if the typical hippy loses control and tells me things like above??
So strange... how many doscoveries in few minutes. What does all that mean?? That you aren't real, you have just masks of peace?! in reality you are just like others?!.. blah... very nice...
Ok, I just go, sorry for destroying your harmony..
Take Care & Good Luck..

P.S. What should I think as a resume of all of this? So, what's the world and what should I do now, when you made me feel it's fake.. just forget.. it's my problem you don't need to think about it:(

[shameless_heifer]

Ursula, You came in accusing us of not bringing world peace about when we had the chance. And what chance would that have been with the Nixons and Reagans down our throats, we barely made it out alive and some of us didn't and your throwing rocks at us.. it's ok for you to be angry with us for not laying a golden road for your lilly white feet to walk upon. Do you know how many of us did die for your freedom. I don't even think you are from this crountry, yet you judge us and are angry with us for not fixing things for you, well take a close look around and live a little more and come back and judge with more experience.
If your playing games here, your playing with the big dogs. The ones that did what they could for peace. Do you have any idea of what we went up against, but here you come laying blame on the very ones that at least got up off their ass's and did something. What again are you doing to change things.
You sit and insults us and then you wonder why we say the things we do to you. We are not trying to be mean or hateful, but we didn't take it then and we aint taking it now. You are welcome to your opinion dear, but not at our expence. You dont walk into someones kitchen and tell them what a lousy cook they are, that's just plane rude.
No one here is mad at you. You are welcome to post but dont throw shit on us and we wont throw it back atcha.
sh

[teepi]

Ursula,
Please try to understand that in any forum, in any culture/society, there are all kinds of people who approach discussions/problems/situations, in their own unique way.

You will find that even on these forums that everyone is an individual.

Some you will groove with from the very first moment you share, some will grow on you, some will intimidate you, and some you will butt heads with.
And at any time all of that can change.

Please do not go, please just open yourself to what is offered here, take what you need and leave the rest.

Yes, some of us oldsters, do get our hackles up when it seems that we are being judged.
We get upset when we are being percieved in a way that has never been our intent.
we have been going through that for decades now.
And as you have come here in hopes of being able to post in harmony .we too have the same hope.
Drugs represent something different to many people.
And all drugs are different.
Drugs seem to have been a part of the culture that we grew up in, and we experienced them in many different ways.
Some of us have moved on some not.
Some became very enlightened by opening their minds to certain drugs, some ended up in mental hospitals.
Some of us gave up on all the synthetics and go for the only true natural "drug"...herb/pot weed/ marijuana...whatever you call it.

The drugs had their place, our experiences atthat time with those drugs greatly have influenced many of our lives and how we view certain laws and drugs and acceptance of drugs at this point in time.

I, for instance, believe that the drugs of this time are extremely harmful. To our children,the adults doing them and society as a whole.
I do not respect the drug laws in place, I think "the war on drugs" is a joke and the way we have handled prison senteces over manufacturing marijuana in this country is a disgrace.
As far as the hard drugs go...its horrible that a black market for these is allowed to exist.
Crime over this one thing is astronomical, and if the drugs were controlled as alcohol is...the black market would all but disapear.

Please realize that if you