"Satan worshippers"

[forestdude]

DOes anyone have any information on or know of any groups who actually worship satan as a diety?
Ive read alot on anton laveys style of satanism, but im wondering if any groups excist who actually worship the diety?
Thanks in advance for any info.

[eat_some_LSD]

I once knew several people personally that were involved in church burnings, animal sacrifices, etc. There are several groups that follow the religion, obviously; one of the more well-known ones being the Illuminati (though I believe they follow a different sect of Satanism).

[MrRee]

You won't find anyone who really practices satanism attesting to the fact.
LaVey's satanism is that of a wannabe wanker that attracted like wannabe's. His intellectual paucity is certified after the first sentence of his first book. The first sentence is true. The rest is drivel.

The serious satanic cult is very well insulated from outsiders. To find out how they really operate watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" which accurately depicts ways, means, and methods as well as the preferred type of indoctrinates.
The heirarchy is topped and run by the ultra wealthy & powerful, and the slaves and sacrificial breeders come from mind programmed cult-trapped poor. They also kidnap the desperate, addicted, homeless, mentally ill. Or sometimes stupid idiots who think it's gonna be cool find a way in and soon find that they're in way over their head too late.
Optimization and lengthy protraction of ever deepening pain is their great speciality and delight.

[BlackBillBlake]

The heirarchy is topped and run by the ultra wealthy & powerful, and the slaves and sacrificial breeders come from mind programmed cult-trapped poor. .
Sounds a bit like the church - or the nation state.

[novarys]

Talk to Colenzo X
here's his forum
http://hipforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=208

[MrRee]

Sounds a bit like the church - or the nation state.Funny that, because where money and power meet is where you'll find satanism.

[eat_some_LSD]

Here's some reading you guys may find interesting. ;)

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/washington.html

[Archemetis]

iv never met a satanist who believed a diety named satan exists.

[deadonceagain]

satanism is to mock christions its basicly the love of self and slefish needs other then doing good

[MrRee]

The thing about the "real" satan is that he was the one who told the truth in the garden of Eden, and god Yahweh is the one that lied and went on to visit all manner of cruelties upon mankind!!

[eat_some_LSD]

On an unrelated note, there's something I've always pondered about...

If Satan created music...wouldn't that make Gospel blasphemous?

[tom]

The thing about the "real" satan is that he was the one who told the truth in the garden of Eden, and god Yahweh is the one that lied and went on to visit all manner of cruelties upon mankind!!

What was the lie that was told? And to the guy that posted about Satan creating music, where did you hear that. If your answer is going to be that "It's in the Bible", can you give the chapter and verse?

[eat_some_LSD]

No, it was something I'd heard from alot of Christians...I've never read the Bible myself, so I wouldn't know. :p

[tom]

No, it was something I'd heard from alot of Christians...I've never read the Bible myself, so I wouldn't know. :p
Pathetic attempt there buddy. The bible actually encourages people to sing, dance, make music etc. So either you're full of crap, or ....na, I'm pretty sure you're just full of crap

[Mui]

i used to worship satan for a little bit for shits and giggles... church of satanism... not the actual demon... even did a few spells... selling my soul to satan for once... basically consists of sitting in front of a candle and saying how much u love satan, only in a cooler more gawthick way.

SATAN I LOVE YOU!! COME INTO MY LIFE.

lmao.

Satanists are fun though, great people.

[eat_some_LSD]

I'm sorry tom, you're right; I'm actually the High Priest of Satanism and I'm trying to undercut your religion on Hipforums by placing misinformation here and there.

A fun little tidbit for you...God...he's actually just a Pop-Tart. He fooled all of you. ;)

[MrRee]

What was the lie that was told?.... chapter and verse?Genesis 2:17....................
But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
First liar = God Yahweh

Genesis 3:4 - 7..........
Truth = Satan

Apologist excuses hold no weight, The Book (bible) states it clearly.
All that is needed are eyes that see (and ears that hear).

[BlackBillBlake]

Genesis 2:17....................
But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
First liar = God Yahweh

Genesis 3:4 - 7..........
Truth = Satan

Apologist excuses hold no weight, The Book (bible) states it clearly.
All that is needed are eyes that see (and ears that hear).
To take this seriously you'd have to believe in the garden of eden story, which itself is very likely not true - or at best a myth.

[MrRee]

To take this seriously you'd have to believe in the garden of eden story, which itself is very likely not true - or at best a myth.
Well B3, Because christians believe it all word for word it has become a huge problem. Mainly because these people are quite happy to let go of rationality in favour of belief.
Other than methods of persuasion I don't see any difference between fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity. And even then Islam is simply following in christianity's historical footsteps.

[BlackBillBlake]

Well B3, Because christians believe it all word for word it has become a huge problem. Mainly because these people are quite happy to let go of rationality in favour of belief.
Other than methods of persuasion I don't see any difference between fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity. And even then Islam is simply following in christianity's historical footsteps.
I agree. But let's not forget Judaism as well. And fundamentalist Hindus. All choose to believe in mythology as history. All are equally lost and deluded.

[MrRee]

I agree. But let's not forget Judaism as well. And fundamentalist Hindus. All choose to believe in mythology as history. All are equally lost and deluded.
Indeed B3 ~ fundamentalism in all of it's disguises, even political. It's both surreal and scary!

[Flic]

I was on an internet site (don't remember it, sorry) and it had a link to a Satanist site, and said the religion was nothing to do with christianity, there were great long essays on Satanism, I got too confused reading them, lots of big words. =)

"If God be the ruler of heaven, then Satan the ruler of earth, if we pledge our souls to Satan, we will live for ever on Earth with it's earthly pleasures of wealth, gluttony and (rampant sex), and we will never die, for in Satan's realm, god will never touch us." That's why satanist's bodies were burned after killing them, because they believed in the realm of satan (earth) they could get up and walk off after death };)

[seahorse]

Satan was the worship leader and the most beautiful, colourful angel in Heaven long ago.

IT went to his head and he became full of pride, and he rebelled against God, and many of the angels followed Him.
You can learn alot about Satan in the Bible, and the basic conclusion is that he knows he's completley &#@ 'd for eternity and wants us to join Him.
IF you're wise though, you will seek goodness rather than evil. And it's easy to tell the difference. It's easy to do evil, and it's hard to do good.

[prankster1590]

Satanists are just insecure with no self esteem. What they really need is a lot of love and attention. They will see that violence and agressiveness is not the way and that caring for another humanbeing is a rewarding feeling. which make them feel better then being depressed and hating everything.
If people just lowered there defenses then there wouldn't be outrageous kids shooting there classmates on school.
Be nice to eachother. There is always somebody that loves you. Do it for that person. Also when it's family.

[Shockw4ve]

Satan was the worship leader and the most beautiful, colourful angel in Heaven long ago.

IT went to his head and he became full of pride, and he rebelled against God, and many of the angels followed Him.
You can learn alot about Satan in the Bible, and the basic conclusion is that he knows he's completley &#@ 'd for eternity and wants us to join Him.
IF you're wise though, you will seek goodness rather than evil. And it's easy to tell the difference. It's easy to do evil, and it's hard to do good.
Isn't that such a cute story

[Irish Hippy]

the Temple of Set (a break away sect from the Church of Satan, led originally by Michael A. Aquino, that rivals the Church of Satan in the number of adherants) actually believes in an anthropomorphic(human like) vision of Satan (as opposed to the LaVeyan concept, of Satan being an abstract concept)...but they refer to him by the name Set, because they believe that the name Satan is the Hebrew derivative for the original Egyptian name of the God Set, which merely was distorted by them so as to create an exact opposite to their God.
On the very question that was asked above (about belief in an anthropomorphic Satan) they themselves say "Satanism is the belief in the existence of Satan as a sentient being or spirit in the universe, and the worship of Satan and obedience to his perceived principles, standards, and goals".
Hope this helps u guys out for watever reason u wanted to find a group of satanists (or setians, as these guys call themselves) that actually really worship Satan. And hope that u guys don't do anything silly as a result.
Peace and Love ;)

[MrRee]

There are basically two types of satanism.

The first is based on the assumption that it is everything opposite to the conventional "God" ~ ie evil (live spelled backwards).
The second is that there is an omnipotent force which pervades the universe that is available for all, can be connected with, and will provide all that is desired.
From personal experience, both facets have far superior knowledge and application in utilizing the power of "God' than any christian or other religion.

[jim_w]

I really hope you don't beleive that "Eyes Wide Shut" is true... If so, you need help!

[Mononucleosis]

Definitely... especially since it can't even get it's Pagan Rituals right.

[MrRee]

I really hope you don't beleive that "Eyes Wide Shut" is true... If so, you need help!Maybe you need to open yours!
Having personal experience with patients who have escaped satanism allows me to make statements based upon fact. Your simple-minded presumption does nothing other than affirm an endemic stupidity that allows such things to proliferate.
For those who have eyes to see

[Kris?]

There are basically two types of satanism.

The first is based on the assumption that it is everything opposite to the conventional "God" ~ ie evil (live spelled backwards).
The second is that there is an omnipotent force which pervades the universe that is available for all, can be connected with, and will provide all that is desired.
From personal experience, both facets have far superior knowledge and application in utilizing the power of "God' than any christian or other religion.
Don't forget the ones who just use "satan" to describe the darker side of humainty. THe don't belive in an enity of satan or a god. Just use it to describe the animal/carnal side of man.

[Nasty Pete]

i am a "satanist" not meaning i worship the devil but meaning i have respect for man and his nature, to commit what the church calls sin. All sins are in mans nature. the church is the only true evil, they turn man against himself

[hkseo100]

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[hkseo100]

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[IdentityCrisis]

Satanism, to me, is one of the most misunderstood religions. Satanists do not even believe in Satan. Satan is a symbol for indulgence, which just happens to be the thing Christianity attempts to stay away from. A good website for information on Satanism is the Church of Satan (http://www.churchofsatan.com) website.

[AannaSolo]

Satanists work with the powers of darkness, power, greed, abuse of money, control, pain, torture, beastiality, paedophilia.

Unfortunately, these are the bastards who try to run the world; the freemasons, skulls, illuminati, as such there is so much of it confined to this planet.

Freemasons seem to worship Nebaccanezzar as some sort of personification of god, the origional Satan. Fact is, when the Jehovah and the dracs started creating man as some sort of drone in the form of Cro-magnon and Neanderthals,satan stepped in and genetically modifidied them into the men we are today and gave them the power of choice, So that one day their hearts may decide to turn to the true way of God:that is compassion and love.

Truth is Nebaccadnezzar/ satan is a being from the planet sirius constellation, which is also part of the Galactic Confederation of light being and messengers of love

see
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/overview.htm

and the bastards who are those that try to control and misinform us, fragrantly abuse the power of choice. Boy, are they in for it one day...

[Libertine]

Satanists work with the powers of darkness, power, greed, abuse of money, control, pain, torture, beastiality, paedophilia.

Unfortunately, these are the bastards who try to run the world; the freemasons, skulls, illuminati, as such there is so much of it confined to this planet.

Freemasons seem to worship Nebaccanezzar as some sort of personification of god, the origional Satan. Fact is, when the Jehovah and the dracs started creating man as some sort of drone in the form of Cro-magnon and Neanderthals,satan stepped in and genetically modifidied them into the men we are today and gave them the power of choice, So that one day their hearts may decide to turn to the true way of God:that is compassion and love.

Truth is Nebaccadnezzar/ satan is a being from the planet sirius constellation, which is also part of the Galactic Confederation of light being and messengers of love

see
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/overview.htm

and the bastards who are those that try to control and misinform us, fragrantly abuse the power of choice. Boy, are they in for it one day...

Wow.

You must have a large brain to hold all that bullshit.

[paulfreespirit]

Satanists work with the powers of darkness, power, greed, abuse of money, control, pain, torture, beastiality, paedophilia.

Unfortunately, these are the bastards who try to run the world; the freemasons, skulls, illuminati, as such there is so much of it confined to this planet.

Freemasons seem to worship Nebaccanezzar as some sort of personification of god, the origional Satan. Fact is, when the Jehovah and the dracs started creating man as some sort of drone in the form of Cro-magnon and Neanderthals,satan stepped in and genetically modifidied them into the men we are today and gave them the power of choice, So that one day their hearts may decide to turn to the true way of God:that is compassion and love.

Truth is Nebaccadnezzar/ satan is a being from the planet sirius constellation, which is also part of the Galactic Confederation of light being and messengers of love

see
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/overview.htm

and the bastards who are those that try to control and misinform us, fragrantly abuse the power of choice. Boy, are they in for it one day... just had a brief look at the link........hmmm........thanks . libertine did you actually read the link ? if not why do you label it bullshit? do you think your beliefs are any wiser ? . man you need to stop being so arrogant with people who have different beliefs than yourself.........

[Libertine]

just had a brief look at the link........hmmm........thanks . libertine did you actually read the link ? if not why do you label it bullshit? do you think your beliefs are any wiser ? . man you need to stop being so arrogant with people who have different beliefs than yourself.........
I don't promote my "beliefs" as pure truth or fact like most religious zealots. So, the answer to that would be that I do not have a solid formula for my beliefs. I am constantly evolving and seeking. I do not say "Well, I can't figure it out, so God did it!". No, I take into consideration all possibilities. It's just that I don't take into consideration any "supernatural".

Perhaps if even ONE mystery were proven "supernatural" instead of natural like ALL previous mysteries were, then I'd give it credence.

I am one of the most open-minded people you'll ever meet, but I am not naive. Don't ask me to believe or accept something without giving me a sufficient reason. I think that is called being intelligent, not arrogant.

[AannaSolo]

Sadly libertine, this is not just bullshit.
Check out gaia guys index for more info

and you know libertine, it is because because i think for myself and question authority that I KNOW this. WTF?

[paulfreespirit]

I don't promote my "beliefs" as pure truth or fact like most religious zealots. So, the answer to that would be that I do not have a solid formula for my beliefs. I am constantly evolving and seeking. I do not say "Well, I can't figure it out, so God did it!". No, I take into consideration all possibilities. It's just that I don't take into consideration any "supernatural".

Perhaps if even ONE mystery were proven "supernatural" instead of natural like ALL previous mysteries were, then I'd give it credence.

I am one of the most open-minded people you'll ever meet, but I am not naive. Don't ask me to believe or accept something without giving me a sufficient reason. I think that is called being intelligent, not arrogant. quote no" i take into consideration all possibilities. it"s just that i dont take into consideration any supernatural. libertine you state you take in all possibilities" then in your next sentence you state it"s just that i dont take into consideration any "supernatural ". man am i missing something here . if you dont take into consideration any supernatural possibilities "then surely you are not taking in ALL possibilities ? as supernatural is a possibility.

[Libertine]

Prove that the supernatural is ever a real possibility and I'll consider it.

[paulfreespirit]

Prove that the supernatural is ever a real possibility and I'll consider it. proof is all around us . for me personally i tuned into it by opening my pineal gland (third eye ). since then i have felt " been touched" and seen spirit . the thing is libertine "it is easy to bring words outta our mouths such as bullshit without any effort whatsoever. maybe if you practised on opening your third eye" you may see the world differently. as the saying goes dont knock it till you"ve tried it .

[Kharakov]

Do Satanist's really like to munch turds? They are so Rad!!!

You should all hang out with Glen Benton and stuff....

[Libertine]

proof is all around us . for me personally i tuned into it by opening my pineal gland (third eye ). since then i have felt " been touched" and seen spirit . the thing is libertine "it is easy to bring words outta our mouths such as bullshit without any effort whatsoever. maybe if you practised on opening your third eye" you may see the world differently. as the saying goes dont knock it till you"ve tried it .
Damn...now I'm dealing with a Tri-clops :)

"there's proof all around"...ok? Maybe my third eye is blinded, but my two eyes aren't. Neither are the rest of my senses nor my rational mind.

Give an example of one prior mystery that was explained and proven to be supernatural with viable, reasonable evidence. Then, we'll talk about consideration of the "netherworld".

[paulfreespirit]

Damn...now I'm dealing with a Tri-clops :)

"there's proof all around"...ok? Maybe my third eye is blinded, but my two eyes aren't. Neither are the rest of my senses nor my rational mind.

Give an example of one prior mystery that was explained and proven to be supernatural with viable, reasonable evidence. Then, we'll talk about consideration of the "netherworld". i have just gave you a example (pineal gland) . without going into lenghthy dicussion at this moment ( tired ) "what proof would you need?" like i said proof is all around . testimonies by people " photographs " video evidence " evps " natural born mediums"ufo"s etc etc. now you give me proof that the supernatural world does not exist . photo below taken on a works security camera. waits for shouts of fake .

[Libertine]

I am sorry but, I go by Hume's theory for supernatural events. When it comes to "stories" either:

a) The Person is Deceived
b) The Person is Deceiving
c) An Unexplained Phenomena

The reason is simple. People lie. People exaggerate. People want to believe things so much they force themselves to. People love to believe and are prone to being deceived.

As an illusionist, I know this firsthand. I have had people weep because they thought I was a psychic who knew about their lives--they spilled everything. All I did was bait them and use cold reading (sometimes hot reading) techniques. I always inform people in the end that I have NO supernatural ability and that I am an illusionist and skeptic. They are usually floored.

I am also educated in psychology, both academically and self-educated. So, I know how to deal with a large crowd or an intimate one-on-one setting. I am no expert, but I know how to deal with people.

Secondly, "pictures", "stories", etc. do not prove anything supernatural. They can be faked, exaggerated, doctored, etc. Even if they are not, I do believe that the explanation just has yet to be found. Because I believe in human progress.

Think about it: Before the scientific age, people believed in all kinds of crazy things (volcano gods) and now we see that every PAST MYSTERY that has now been solved has been done so through natural means. Nothing has ever been PROVEN supernatural because all it would need is just one to prove the supernatural had any credence.

So, until that time, I will give no more consideration of the supernatural as an explanation than I will that an invisible, intangible dancing troll named Larry lives in my pancreas.

[paulfreespirit]

I am sorry but, I go by Hume's theory for supernatural events. When it comes to "stories" either:

a) The Person is Deceived
b) The Person is Deceiving
c) An Unexplained Phenomena

The reason is simple. People lie. People exaggerate. People want to believe things so much they force themselves to. People love to believe and are prone to being deceived.

As an illusionist, I know this firsthand. I have had people weep because they thought I was a psychic who knew about their lives--they spilled everything. All I did was bait them and use cold reading (sometimes hot reading) techniques. I always inform people in the end that I have NO supernatural ability and that I am an illusionist and skeptic. They are usually floored.

I am also educated in psychology, both academically and self-educated. So, I know how to deal with a large crowd or an intimate one-on-one setting. I am no expert, but I know how to deal with people.

Secondly, "pictures", "stories", etc. do not prove anything supernatural. They can be faked, exaggerated, doctored, etc. Even if they are not, I do believe that the explanation just has yet to be found. Because I believe in human progress.

Think about it: Before the scientific age, people believed in all kinds of crazy things (volcano gods) and now we see that every PAST MYSTERY that has now been solved has been done so through natural means. Nothing has ever been PROVEN supernatural because all it would need is just one to prove the supernatural had any credence.

So, until that time, I will give no more consideration of the supernatural as an explanation than I will that an invisible, intangible dancing troll named Larry lives in my pancreas. that is your prohogative libertine . i wish i could believe in human progress ! sadly all i witness and see is humankind destroying itself and the earth which we live ( but thats another topic of discussion ) . anyway proof was and still is given to me of a higher plaine " maybe one day it might be given to you personally " there again maybe not . you still have not given me any proof that the supernatural world does"nt exist . i know for a fact that i am of spirit not science . it has been a interesting convo without all the judgeing bullshit that is thrown about on the christian forum by none judgemental christians:rolleyes: . i leave you in peace

[Libertine]

peace, brother

[Libertine]

anyway proof was and still is given to me of a higher plaine " maybe one day it might be given to you personally " there again maybe not .

What exactly are you referring to as a "higher plane"? Beyond sensory detection? Beyond reasonable assessment? Please elaborate.

you still have not given me any proof that the supernatural world does"nt exist . i know for a fact that i am of spirit not science . it has been a interesting convo without all the judgeing bullshit that is thrown about on the christian forum by none judgemental christians:rolleyes: . i leave you in peace

It is not the job of the skeptic to "give proof". The doubter doubts until there is given enough sufficient evidence. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

Therefore, you cannot say "prove there is not a god" (for instance), but I never made a claim--just doubted yours. The burden of proof is on you to prove their is evidence FOR such consideration of the supernatural.

You can't use a universal negative on me--that's a fallacious argument.

[AannaSolo]

When Lot called in "God" to destroy Sodom and Gomorah, they were actually super intelligent beings fron the Pliaedes in space craft.
You know, I'm sorry you've never witnessed a miracle or had a vision or seen an aura or all that; seen a disease cured overnight, but it happens.
Just coz it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean other light beings don't witnesses it and thank their lucky stars.
I feel a bit sorry for you and your ego, coz you are missing out on some great stuff.

But sometimes it's a matter of faith and knowingingness, trusting your atman or christ being to lead you through to truth. Appreciating this you know?

Anyway, no one is going to run and prove it to you, just coz you sit in darkness and scepticism. What you know is but a grain of sand compared to all there is.

[Chodpa]

There's a difference between Satanists and the Black Brotherhood of fallen mystics.

[paulfreespirit]

What exactly are you referring to as a "higher plane"? Beyond sensory detection? Beyond reasonable assessment? Please elaborate.



It is not the job of the skeptic to "give proof". The doubter doubts until there is given enough sufficient evidence. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

Therefore, you cannot say "prove there is not a god" (for instance), but I never made a claim--just doubted yours. The burden of proof is on you to prove their is evidence FOR such consideration of the supernatural.

You can't use a universal negative on me--that's a fallacious argument. without going on too much libertine ( can not be arsed repeating meself again and again ) higher plane = spirit world . as for i can not say prove their is no whatever (yes i can say that libertine ) that my prohogative to do so . i doubt your view "that you think their is no supernatural world beyond the physical ( so that puts me as a skeptic to your claim). so why is the burden of proof on me ? . how do you also see me using a universal negative on you ?.

[Libertine]

without going on too much libertine ( can not be arsed repeating meself again and again ) higher plane = spirit world . as for i can not say prove their is no whatever (yes i can say that libertine ) that my prohogative to do so . i doubt your view "that you think their is no supernatural world beyond the physical ( so that puts me as a skeptic to your claim). so why is the burden of proof on me ? . how do you also see me using a universal negative on you ?.


I don't "claim" anything. I just DOUBT. I doubt the supernatural. I doubt there is a God. You are the claimant. You claim those things exist. I doubt that they do. Thus, the burden of proof is on you.

And claiming that I can't prove something doesn't exist when YOU haven't proven it has, is like saying you can't prove there isn't invisible, intangible fairies dancing on your lawn! That is a universal negative-- and no one can prove a universal negative. It is a LOGICAL FALLACY.

No PROOF does not equal PROOF for the opposing viewpoint. You make a claim to a "spirit" world which I see NO evidence of other than vague claims, stories and "interpretations" of unexplained phenomena. The burden is on the claimant. I DOUBT the spirit world exists...prove it does.

[paulfreespirit]

I don't "claim" anything. I just DOUBT. I doubt the supernatural. I doubt there is a God. You are the claimant. You claim those things exist. I doubt that they do. Thus, the burden of proof is on you.

And claiming that I can't prove something doesn't exist when YOU haven't proven it has, is like saying you can't prove there isn't invisible, intangible fairies dancing on your lawn! That is a universal negative-- and no one can prove a universal negative. It is a LOGICAL FALLACY.

No PROOF does not equal PROOF for the opposing viewpoint. You make a claim to a "spirit" world which I see NO evidence of other than vague claims, stories and "interpretations" of unexplained phenomena. The burden is on the claimant. I DOUBT the spirit world exists...prove it does. man we are going around in circles with this . i explained it to you previously . thing is that while you talk and doubt ( the spirit world "god " and whatever else ) . are you seriously asking me to prove to you over a forum that all these do exist ?. what strikes me is that you will harp on about this and that not existing " but wont take the time to find out yourself . as i have read on a previous thread of yours =jesus is a hypocrite . firstly someone ask you to go into a room and ask for proof of god "which you conveniently you let go over your head . libertine i dont need to prove anything to anyone apart from myself . for years i was a broken man "then a certain person entered my life . this person ( not a christian by the way ) but being a caring friend "help me spiritually to find god . god is for all ( whatever religion anyone is ) . i will suggest this to you as a doubter of god and the spirit "supernatural world etc etc. as a doubter of god - go in that room of yours and try to connect with god - prayer is a good start . now their are many ways to connect and feel the spirit world . 1 = go to a spiritualist chuch 2 = go and see a medium who you have never meet before "see if he/she tells you any personall things that you only know about 3 = meditate 4 = go and investigate a haunted location with an investigation group 5 = ouija boards ( not advisible ) as bad and evil spirits may come through. 6 = learn how to open and balnce your chakras 7 = go to a past life regressionist .8= type paranormal on your browser 9 = type native american indians on your browser 10= type spirituality on your browser . man i could go on and on . i have now given you insight on how to connect " by being directly involved . i really hope you try these things . untill you do try these things out with a open mind and open heart YOUR doubting means jack shit to me or anyone else who knows that the spirit world and god certainly do excist............once again i leave you in peace.

[Libertine]

Thanks for the nice words.

Peace out...

[Disarmed]

type in "theistic satanism" on google.


or just go to www.joyofsatan.com (http://www.joyofsatan.com)

it's all just a mixture of mesopotamian mythology and the bible and stuff though....it's not old enough to be "traditional." lavey had his non-theistic satanism going long before these people said satan and enki were one in the same. and these satanists took a lot from lavey.

[2cool]

Though there has never been an actual recorded case of Satanic murders or rapes, may people, (mostly religious types) still whisper about Devil worshipping. My Aunt up in Belton TX, said that devil worshippers gather sometimes at this cemetary in Maxdale. I think that's what the city is called. It's supposed to be a really haunted place.

[pop_terror]

untill you do try these things out with a open mind and open heart YOUR doubting means jack shit to me or anyone else who knows that the spirit world and god certainly do excist............once again i leave you in peace.
Exactly. God is an experience. Libertine says he doubts. Well, prove it! I don't even think doubt exists -- where is the evidence? It's never happened to me. Ya know what I'm sayin', G monekey? All you can do is say it's there. I have a point. I experience God every day. All I can do is say it's there; I can't prove it to you. But the same goes for any emotional experience. Prove you love me; prove you hate me; prove your indifference. You can't to anyone but yourself.

It's a grand experience, by the way. Pity is to be had for those who cannot have it. "QUESTION AUTHORITY" says Libertine, who does not question the authority of his own "reason". Guru of Futility. Blind, deaf, three-legged sheep.

[paulfreespirit]

one day libertine just might see the light if he presses the switch in his head .

[dd3stp233]

The illuminati are biggest, evilest satanic bunch of f**kers I ever met. World domination, mind control, etc. Catlle mutilations, etc Seriously, don't even talk about them they might have me killed just for writting this.

[heron]

DOes anyone have any information on or know of any groups who actually worship satan as a diety?
Ive read alot on anton laveys style of satanism, but im wondering if any groups excist who actually worship the diety?
Thanks in advance for any info.

There was a split in LaVeys church, the other half wanting to
worship the deity Set, or Set-an, claiming that is was Set that
the Jews of the Exodus took out of egypt as their opposer.

They would be more "true" satanists to me. Rather than the
"hedonistic archtype" satanists, and the opposite of Christianity
Satanism.

[heron]

one of the more well-known ones being the Illuminati (though I believe they follow a different sect of Satanism).

The deity of masonic and Illuminati worship is Lucifer, not Satan.
Two different deities, one being Egyptian, or IndoEuropean (lucifer).

They worship the Morning Star, bearer of Light, which is Lucifer.

He got a bad wrap when the Christians came to Rome, and
gave a smear campaign on the very popular god.

[demosthenes]

Ah, this thread was great fun to read. I can't tell if anyone knows a lick about 'Satanism' or not, but it was great fun.

I have my own ideas about where the 'real Satanists' sit and worship and operate....but I don't think I'll throw that hat into the ring. But I will say this: they're not hard to find, and most of them are doing it unawares.

[blinkin]

ok this just sounds stupid...

satan lets call him stan for shits and giggles

well stan thought god, and we'll call him bob well bob was worshiped for long enough I mean after all stan had been singing praises for eons, the second in comand and the beautifull under god, stan decided to screw bob , take a third of his angels and start his own religion "stan"

in the book isaiah stan says " will ascend beyond the most high and sit on a higher thrown"

bob says "nope stan I will throw you down cast you to the side of the pit clinging"


so I mean its all an ago thing in the first place, christianity is about bieng born again, believeing our original minds and spirits our filled wiuth evil so we metephorically die and rise again in the likness of the personality of christ.....

stan" isim is to worship ones ownself as stan did not bowing to bob

the whole sacrficing blood spilling anton levy crap.... sounds like a mix of hollywood meets old testament judaisim, meets druidic paganisim, meets puc the hovved flute playing goat god........


and thats my vomit on that subject

[blinkin]

whoah missed something

lucifer vs satan vs beelzebub

actually until the captivity in babylon, there was no real one bad diety

the egyptian captivity the many many many gods they believed had the opposit effect
instead of introducing other gods, which plainly was the simple custom, the god of abraham wasnt really followed or even known among many of the slaves for centuries 400 years of captivity since joseph was sold to slavers and even then at that time it was only a hop skip and a jump of a generation since abram left UR where Nannar was the primary diety (moon)

remember the story of the buring bush god answerd moses...or for any islamics...mosea whne he asked his name the voice answerd I AM

bieng not named or imaged or set to the confines of temples or areas.....there forty year pilgramige threw the desert was more of a cleansing of all the manmy gods than a contibuting time...

just another little point
BA-AL
haha A title meaning simply master, many culuired feard that if an enemy found the name of thir own god that the god may be turned to favour another nation so the idenity of the god was hided known only to the priests, ....everyone else called there god master.....
i always thought that was funny


so
you say modern day stanists are the remenance or decendence of the worshipers of set?
thatys kinda odd, i wonder how he lasted so long, he was a minor god in egyptian mythology? didnt he kill his brother and sister and by doing so was cursed by RA into slavery???

its been a while since I took up any good ol egtyptian mythology...
Ive been reading up opn greek though as early as today
havnt come accross the mrning star in any poets writtings,
but In seminary i remember hearing a professor mention some refference to a similar diety to satan/lucifer...lucifer as written in scripture is simply speaking of the third
the morning star as metioned in scripture is the act of the falling of from heaven the dragon bieng hurled by micheal from heaven.....
do you have any literary sources I can read ?
Id like to hear any other opinions.......
hahah knowing the devils game, some would say is tricky game to play
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anybody wanna roll the dice?

[Patience]

Prove that the supernatural is ever a real possibility and I'll consider it.
It is you who should prove that the supernatural doesnt exist! What is ur proof?!

[Archemetis]

Though there has never been an actual recorded case of Satanic murders or rapes,google "ritual abuse" and see what you find...there are alot of cases on ritualistic murder and abuse.

www.ra-info.org

[Xac]

Prove that the supernatural is ever a real possibility and I'll consider it.
hahaha! open minded... right, i think the question should be prove that it isnt a possibility!

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Heron was right. Satan just comes from Set. Lucifer is the light bringer. Enki to the Babylonians. Just cuz he got associated with human sacrifice and goat sacrifice, they thought he was all evil and shit. Theres alot of be learned in blood sacrifice.................. Iguess

[eightysixed]

I agree. But let's not forget Judaism as well. And fundamentalist Hindus. All choose to believe in mythology as history. All are equally lost and deluded.The same way as many non-religious people believe in history, which for the most part is the dullest mythology in disguise.

Mythological events are beyond history; they are to be experienced in our own lives, and I don’t think many Jews and Hindus place them in the historical context.

[mrsmorrison27]

I know so much about santanism its disgusting. my brother, my brother in law, my brothers girlfriend, my cousin, several of their friends, all satanist. they had their own church like thing, in my brother's basement. my brother and his girlfriend, had a child, just for the purpose of raising her to become a great leader in the satanic world. It has ruined my brother's life. he is now in prison, and we are adopting my neice because of the things that they did to her. puncture wounds, and God only knows what else. she was scared to death of them, and clung tight to anyone that came and picked her up. I am a christian, raised in a very non traditional christian home. my parents have raised me around things that no one would beleive untill they saw it. i have seen demons being casted out of ppl, and i have talked to them through ppl. satanism RUINED, my brother's life. my mother went into his house to get his stuff when he was sent to prison. and there were watcher signs everywhere and pentagrams, and pictures of goats heads drawn all over the walls. they used to put my neice in a building by herself, with a watchers sign, so the demon could see her. its serious stuff, and is not to be messed with. its a devistating thing. Satan, is not to be messed with. My brother's band was called ABADON, which means "satan the distroyer" and thats exaclty what he did, he destroyed my brother. so stay away from it. i have researched it. because i am a christian,(havnt always been) and i need to know what i deal with. but if your looking to become a satanist. stay away from it. its a bad bADD thing.

[heron]

I would say the same about christianity.

[mrsmorrison27]

well of course u would. but thats the thing about u and me heron, we always fight about this stuff. so whats the point? people beleive different things, and thats how it is. the ppl in mine and my parents old church, think that we are into things of the occult, beause we dont beleive nething they teach, we are VERY un-traditional christians. we are very open minded about different philosophys and ideas. but we know what is evil and what could be truth. we call ourselves truth seekers. because we dont know the truth yet. and wont know the full truth untill we die. none of us will. like. i dont worship Jesus, christians shame me for that and say thats blasphemy. but Jesus isnt God, GOD is GOD. JEsus is my brother and the bridge for my spirit to talk and commune with God. you see. i will never stop untill i find complete truth. but I think im on the right path to doing that. but. were all different, and all beleive different things, but thats the way it has always been, and always will be. no one is ever going to agree with one-another about such things. that would a miracle

[Natarsha]

This is all so confusing Satanism sounds feral and is something I don't want to be subjected to, however.

I have taken drugs and done stupid things because of drugs and been sexually and emotionally abused and it did feel like I was trapped in satanic like rituls of abuse.

I can imagine what Satansim is like but without being subjected to it's evil, how could I ever know what it's like ?

I watched The Butterfly Effect the other day and when Evan *Ashton Kutcher* used to come out from his flash backs, it was like he used to convulse, like a epileptic seizure in fact.

Which I find interesting because epilepsy was once related to being possessed by the devil, when people convulsed in exorcisims.

There is a deeper psychology here into the brain but what

[eightysixed]

Which I find interesting because epilepsy was once related to being possessed by the devil, when people convulsed in exorcisims.By the way, it is also interesting that Dostoevsky, who was an epileptic himself, associated epilepsy with St. John’s phrase: there should be time no longer. I don’t want to contradict you though, just a remark. Everything is ambiguous in this world :)

[prismatism]

Libertine

if i say, i doubt the nonexistence of god (which i do), the positions would be switched, and YOU would be the one claiming something. it's all relative to what you personally consider your own intrinsic belief. saying it's a "universal negative" is a cop out. you want us to prove God exists, and we want you to prove it doesn't. it shouldn't be that hard to come up with one example to support your whole belief system. if it really is that difficult, that should tell you something.

so i'll try my best to prove to you that god is a tangible thing we can experience. i hope you'll actually open your mind and wait until you've read everything to start thinking of ways to defend yourself.

i'll start by saying god is not "paranormal". the concept of something working beyond rules and beyond what is possible, (the paradox of, can god create a rock so heavy he can't lift it? if he can't, he's not omnipotent, because he should be able to create anything. if he can, he's not omnipotent, because he should be able to lift anything) is what turns off a lot of people to spirituality. it's what creates the idea that christians believe in a Big Brother handing out punishments and rewards according to how blindly you follow Him without doubt. but that's not what god is. God is a science. faith is accepting that the universe is not a chaotic cosmic accident; that throughout infinity, matter collided with matter, and our consciousness is the inevitable lucky side affect, a once-in-forever happenstance that fell into precisely perfect combination by chance and time. to say there is God is to say that there are no accidents, and there is no paranormal. there are only things happening that we are too small, too short lived, too judgmental to understand. No God would mean that everything, every action i take, the fact that you understand these words and the meanings behind them, is random, is only a probability. that there is a chance, however slight, that you'll only see gibberish. Faith is me writing these words, knowing they will reach you the same as they left me.

you mentioned that you know how to make people think you're psychic. when we have a normal conversation with someone, that's on one field of energy. when we do what you do, it's on a subtler field of material energy. a real psychic is working on an even subtler field. if everything is god, then the only difference between the normal and the paranormal is it's subtlety; our ability to understand it as a black-and-white science, our ability to sense it as tangible.

have you seen what the bleep do we know, down the rabbit hole (the director's cut)? if not, you should. it shows how our own observation and our own thoughts affect the physical environment. even if you've only seen the movie as it was shown in theatres, or even if you only know a TINY bit about quantum physics or even basic physics or basic science, or even if you've ever observed yourself in your own every day experiences, you'll see that that tiny sense of "I Am" that exists somewhere in this mound of flesh and blood and organs and shit and all those lovely elements that make up our body has incredible power although it is so subtle we cannot touch it, see it, percieve it in anyway other than through it's actions on the physical world.

if i eat an apple, one thing happens. if i eat a rock, something else happens. is that paranormal? in the past it might have been considered so, but now we know there is a science behind it. the apple has one kind of interaction with my body; the rock has different interactions. it's not magic. it's karma. it's cause and effect. it's like a sound vibration. you hit a cymbal, and you hear a loud sound vibration for a moment, and that's all you percieve. but if you could see the vibration, you'd know that it lasts a lot longer than you actually hear. and it never really ends. it just becomes subtler, but nonetheless existent. if you could see the entire matrix of subtle energy, as a whole, from God's perspective (everything that ever was, is, and will be, in it's entirety, in one instant), you would understand that it's nothing spectacular. it's just chaos theory. the butterfly effect. the difference between believing in god and not, is whether you feel that everything is disconnected and has little or no affect on anything else, or if you can believe that every action in the universe, every thought, everything anything is doing, is happening perfectly, cannot go wrong, is completely vital.

[themnax]

"satin worship" is a reactionary spinoff of christianity, itself, the biggest "cult" of them all.

there really isn't anything more to or else about it.

=^^=
.../\...

[darrellkitchen]

... satanism RUINED, my brother's life. ...I would say the same about christianity.Unfortunately, it's not a belief in one thing or another, whether it be Satanism, Christianity, or other types of religions major or minor. It's the individuals themselves that ruin their own lives.

It is their own perceptions of their realm of existence, their craving the things they experience that ruin their lives. No one or thing does it outside of their own selves.

Nothing more ...

Nothing less ...

[junkhead]

all Satan worshippers are just closeted christians

[darrellkitchen]

all Satan worshippers are just closeted christiansCurious !!!

How do you come to realize this?

[Anachronism]

;) Dyslexic Satan worshipers actually worship Santa.

As for Satanism itself, I have no experience with anyone or anything connected to the following.

I don't believe in Christian mythology, but it seems to me that if Satan would just say "Hey, look, I was wrong, I'm sorry, can we just put this whole thing behind us?" to God, then God (being the forgiving one that he is said to be) would say "Sure thing, welcome back, you're forgiven." Considering that, I sort of feel sorry for Satan, or at least as sorry as I can feel for something I don't believe in. Cause c'mon. Seriously. If he'd just get down off his high horse and admit that Hell sucks and he should have been a good boy and he's sorry then he probably wouldn't be stuck in Hell anymore.

A pretty story, don't you think? ;)

Peace, and Blessed Be.

[junkhead]

Curious !!!

How do you come to realize this?




because Satan is nothing but a creation of christian fearmongering
worshipping Satan is worshipping a christian deity
now the COS thats a different story , although I find many of their ''followers'' claim to worship Satan even though this is incorrect to the teachings of Anton LaVey

[§høw§tøpper]

i dunno that satanic shit sounds fucked up,i dont think id want any part of it..deity or not lol..id rather worship and follow nothing then go this route..

[aspirine]

eat_some_LSD your link to a roman catohlic site about Freemasonry is so good a wanker stunt that I commend you.
A group that may truely be considered Satan Worshipers are the Yezidis. They are also known as angel worshippers although the Angel that they worship is indeed Lucifer who is considered Satan by many.
At least the Yezdis are not doing a form of reverse Catholicism, which is what the joke called Satanism is.

I'd like a glass of wine and a piece of flat bread Padre.

[aspirine]

mrsmorrison27 sorry to hear that religious fanaticism ruined the girls life. Religion has a tendency to do that to people, dogs, goats, sheep, countries, continents, worlds.

Just an observation from one of the Illumanatti. :dupe: