anyone want to tell me drugs are safe? I'll debate you.

[Keramptha]

ANYONE WANT TO TELL ME DRUGS ARS SAFE?, I'LL DEBATE YOU..


HERE'S A START,

My first trip, ah bless, smoking weed with friends on a verandah listening to bob marley, who I later in the evening met and danced with, then we went to sit on a very high hill to appriciate how everyone should love one another.
brilliant.
My best trip, first E at first festival with first boyfriend. dancing to roots manuva we came up at exactly the same moment. [ make eyecontact as music suddenly calls you to dance all night!]
fantastic.
Anyway. those simple moments will always be treasured, but I have SO MUCH PAIN and damage from years [NB. I'M ONLY 18]of drug abuse becuase of the need to get that high again. mental damage.... you can't escape that.
I've also had temporary paralysis 20 odd times, oin various parts of my body. arms going limp. half my face muscles frozen. sleep paralysis, brought on from too many nights of lack/irrational sleep/amphetamines.
and addictions to nicotine. who wants to be a slave to a nicotine company?, thats just not enjoyable.
anayway all drugs now are totally hideous to me, becuase don't lie, these are the definate and possible sideffects
make you lazy, complacent, about personal health, relationships,
alter your attitude to one of dependency
bound to do things you regret somewhere down the line of druguse.
upsets people who care about you and your brain cells.

anyway. as a youngster you think it's the drug thats doing all this crazy mindopening stuff. but all any drugs do is ENHANCE YOUR PRESENT STATE OF MIND.
by effecting various networks you are currently focousing on.
the whole scene is about rebellion and discovery and forbbiden introspection, but you don't need to take an lsd tab to open your m ind. also to spiritual evoloution theres probabaly a reason we only see as much as we do without forcibly altering your brain structure in a few seconds....
people meditate for years and decades , slowly unfolding their minds and changing their physical structure.
What I'm sayin is such a sudden shock to the system, without realy any preperation for such a sudden alteration in perception, is only something humans would do.. try to speed up [evoloution/anything] with a quick fix. the likelihood is that can only set you back , you can't force nature or demand enlightenment.
shamans who take drugs traditionally do it with respect for all the spirits of the land and body, with ancestorial experinence. I'm saying that westeners on mdma, say all they like, don't know wht the flip they are doing or playing with, ineveitabley this is the generation that takes every upper downer without a thought to natrual equilibrium.
Drugs that companies call safe, end up causing serious damage later in life...too many examples.
then drugs that everyone continually warns are potentially dangerous, can and can cause fatalities, are just swallowed up by the mouthful.
I mean what is wrong with us?, why do we all want to play so reckless so soon?
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[mynameisjake07]

drugs are safe

[crystalstarr]

i most likely will be the only person that agrees with most things you said. I think everyone has to find their own answer though. i used drugs for a long time and got really fucked up over them. I havent touched drugs or alcohol in 6 years now.

[Soulless||Chaos]

Of course drugs aren't safe, but then again nothing is entirely safe. :rolleyes:

[Raving Sultan]

Drugs are good, they let you do things that you know you not
should.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.

[crystalstarr]

Drugs are good, they let you do things that you know you not
should.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.

hAHAHA Jaun shut up!:p

[Keramptha]

drugs are safe
HAHA. and the other guy... my attitudes changed ALOT since i'v stopped them for only a year. an utter turn around from miss cool drug endorser, now i just tell everyone they're mindless idiots.. i know that wouldn't have helped me...
but this is the truth from where I'm standing. safe as f88ck now means seeing people as they really are. you don't need drugs to pretend people aren't really devious manipulative, emotinal wrecks that try to screw you for their own ends.
For that! you need to be sober, because people are bastards mostly, and drugs are way of denying that. So says I.
newaythanks for reading this I'm in that stage where i rant about my hate of this previous passion, i'll probably calm down in a few years..when i'm not still on red alert! anything could invade at any time! red alert! etc...

p.s DON'T GET DEPENDANT! gggrrrr u make me angrrry

[Keramptha]

[QUOTE=crystalstarr
i used drugs for a long time and got really fucked up over them. I havent touched drugs or alcohol in 6 years now.[/QUOTE]
thats great to know.haha,[ that you stopped them]

[deadonceagain]

the problem isnt the drugs the problem is you, you have had some bad drug experences now you need something to blame what about the evil drug what about you your the one who did the drugs your the one that abusted them. i become addicted to speed but i dont blamethe drug i blame myslef because i was the one that myslef addicted people do the dame thing with food they are unhappy so they look to food to make them happy does this mean food is bad no it doesnt it means the person made the wronge chocies


this is what i think it may be wronge but hey i might get you thinking

[Becknudefck]

i dont do drugs, just weed. weed wont ruin your life. Taking E and sleep amphetamines will though. While at the same time being a chainsmoker, Good Job! ...........................

ok im so retarded. I was thinking what to say and then my mind wandered off to buying a Marshall and asking my parents if I can take it out of my bank account. I was sitting here for 10 minutes. im so high. :) :)

[Keramptha]

they look to food to make them happy does this mean food is bad no it doesnt it means the person made the wronge chocies


this is what i think it may be wronge but hey i might get you thinking[/QUOTE]
N o way are you wrong...you've got a sound perspective there. your completely right as well, i made bad choices and am looking for something to blame...
it's true.
STILL... it's a pattern of my behaviour. now i'v taken drugs out of the mix, I'm still messed up and unhappy. loads more... in ways. but for the long run.. what i'm saying is something big inside changed, and this is where i am right now. hating drugs. and everyone who lets theie kids slide that way.
this is something i need to say right

DRUGS ARE ATTENTION SEEKING, theres no doubt about that. trying to get noticed, dodge the authorities while THEY KNOW theres NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT. that's what annoys me... everyones so flippin hushed about drugs, and all on them anyway, they haven't got any ground to stand on when they see the kids at it...

all drugs should be fully legal and readily avaible, and cheap, mass produced.

and YEAH I AM MAD I MADE THE WRONG CHOICES AND RIGHT NOW I BLAME SOCIETY! they brought me up, and did it shit! grrr!

[EllisDTripp]

NOTHING is 100% safe for all people, at all times, under all conditions, and at all levels of consumption.

In fact, life itself is a 100% fatal, sexually transmitted disease. :)

[robostiltzkin]

It all depends on how you define safe. Living is dangerous; we all end up dead in the end.
But if YOU cannot handle drugs, then obviously YOU shouldn't use them. If YOU use them IRRESPONSIBLY, then YOU shouldn't use them. Your misuse of said substances does not make these substances inherently unsafe. That is the whole reasoning behind the DEA and other dirtbag bureaucrats. Just because some people can't handle it, it's off limits for everyone. (Except alcohol, cigarettes, and most pharms, especially ones that give guys a hard-on. The war on drugs has most definitely taken a cease-fire there). They do not make me lazy, etc., etc., and whatever other B.S. propaganda you were spewing. I have a great job, great education, work very hard, and have great family and friends. I just enjoy venturing to the other realm from time to time. I resent anyone telling me that anything is unsafe for me when I use it responsibly and without negative consequence. Obviously, drugs are UNSAFE for YOU. So what? Go to rehab, find god, go fuck yourself. DEBATE THAT.

***DISCLAIMER***
Nothing stated in previous, current, or subsequent messages or postings should be construed as evidence of previous, current, or future intent to violate, or any violation of, any federal, state, or local laws. All information posted is for entertainment purposes only, and should be considered entirely fictional. Author does not endorse the consumption of any substances specifically prohibited by federal, state, or local laws, or their chemical analogues, nor approves of research by unqualified individuals or minors.

[robostiltzkin]

I think you have a good point about that. "Drugs" of themselves are not inherently unsafe. It's how they are used, or more accurately, abused that can lead to unsafe situations. These substances must be respected, or they will definitely disrespect you. From the prehistoric ages, people have turned to many of these substances to gain enlightenment and insight. While I am sure many also abused them, to get F*ed up, they were generally regarded as sacraments. Unfortunately over time, many of them, even the most powerful, became little more than party favors in most people's minds. The substance hasn't changed, only the user.

[Keramptha]

^^^^

say it! the times have changed!


And the changes that happened to the user are ; consumerism
greed
nihilism
brutality [well thats human nature right?!....ugh, an excuse for it]
technological advances....SPEEED --> we all want immediate effects
america!! lol.

I mean it's not very surprising that the last native tribes are junkies...
where...is humanity..going...at present it's just into the drug hazed distance.
I want to know why we are all in such denial at the moment.
drugs are definately about denial.

Sir...the lsd life saved man, I'm glad it saved your life.
I'm sad about the way young people are ignored and left to find their answers in the maze of chemicals. That aren't really made for spreading love and bonding. Drugs are made to make money..and perpetuate hierachies, and exploit labour, feed fat americans.

[2cesarewild]

drugs are safe; people aren't.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

they look to food to make them happy does this mean food is bad no it doesnt it means the person made the wronge chocies


Ok then...They look to DRUGS to make them happy, does this mean DRUGS are bad? No, it doesn't...it means the person made the WRONG choices.



And "In fact, life itself is a 100% fatal, sexually transmitted disease." - Ellis D.

Wow that's some of the deepest, truest shit I've ever heard spouted man! haha...

[Keramptha]

cool.

well it's beyond words really isn't it that kind of experience...

I'm glad i met you,becuase lsd is the drug thats sticks out as possibly being manufactured for other reasons than explotation. yeah...everything...can be exploited, and everything is.by somebody..i just think drugs are the most hypocritical way.
ie, saving africans with expsnsive glaxo copyright expensive drugs. Or making people feel liberated or relaxed by dependance.
thans for the names iI'm relieved to find some proper stuff. [not just take it man! get f-ed!]
seriously thats cool.
I read edgar cayce's son's books he was pushing for a scientific appriciation at the time..brave..but i don't think it happened!
well sod them. science is hot air.

The thing about lsd for me is i know i don't need to take it. I did once when i was 15 at a festival and whoknows whether it was the freedom of all those dancing people, or a mental awarenes brought on my adding some chemicals..

a few years later though i've found chi kung..thats my tool. and getting from that doesn't compare. properly aligning your body in a certain stance then you stay with it, and after some hours it 's impossible to stand any longer, with the the instensity of the trip!
like you say...lsd made you remember... chi kung makes me remember i have the ultimate tool here. and following old methods of trnasforamtion with stances and sequences. made me realise that drugs are unessercary....I've learnt styles that accomadatre for each type of high...theres no comedown, it's reviatlising, and grows in strength.
well thats what i needed to say. also my teachers say that a human doesn't have to die of sickness...they have a potential age..and if they maintain their health they use their 'life force' right up to the final drop, and die at 110-5 without an illlness to kick the bucket. he says that why chinese emporrors live so long..they have chi practitioners working with them everyday.
he also says 'chi' kung can heal anything.. cancer aids etc.............so lol. he's called ZHI ZHI WANG. thats my tool. thanks for the info again. peace

[Raving Sultan]

This is your brain - http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif
This is your brain on drugs -http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
Any questions?

[geckopelli]

To the guy who started this thread:

Don't project your personal weakness on the rest of us.

I was using drugs 22 years before you were born- and still do.

And I can beat you at chess, teach you physics, and write a screenplay.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

To the guy who started this thread:

Don't project your personal weakness on the rest of us.

I was using drugs 22 years before you were born- and still do.

And I can beat you at chess, teach you physics, and write a screenplay.

Oohhh, SNAP!!!

[Nathan11]

Just because the user is stupid doesn't mean drugs are bad.

[juggla]

ANYONE WANT TO TELL ME DRUGS ARS SAFE?, I'LL DEBATE YOU..


HERE'S A START,

My first trip, ah bless, smoking weed with friends on a verandah listening to bob marley, who I later in the evening met and danced with, then we went to sit on a very high hill to appriciate how everyone should love one another.
brilliant.
My best trip, first E at first festival with first boyfriend. dancing to roots manuva we came up at exactly the same moment. [ make eyecontact as music suddenly calls you to dance all night!]
fantastic.
Anyway. those simple moments will always be treasured, but I have SO MUCH PAIN and damage from years [NB. I'M ONLY 18]of drug abuse becuase of the need to get that high again. mental damage.... you can't escape that.
I've also had temporary paralysis 20 odd times, oin various parts of my body. arms going limp. half my face muscles frozen. sleep paralysis, brought on from too many nights of lack/irrational sleep/amphetamines.
and addictions to nicotine. who wants to be a slave to a nicotine company?, thats just not enjoyable.
anayway all drugs now are totally hideous to me, becuase don't lie, these are the definate and possible sideffects
make you lazy, complacent, about personal health, relationships,
alter your attitude to one of dependency
bound to do things you regret somewhere down the line of druguse.
upsets people who care about you and your brain cells.

anyway. as a youngster you think it's the drug thats doing all this crazy mindopening stuff. but all any drugs do is ENHANCE YOUR PRESENT STATE OF MIND.
by effecting various networks you are currently focousing on.
the whole scene is about rebellion and discovery and forbbiden introspection, but you don't need to take an lsd tab to open your m ind. also to spiritual evoloution theres probabaly a reason we only see as much as we do without forcibly altering your brain structure in a few seconds....
people meditate for years and decades , slowly unfolding their minds and changing their physical structure.
What I'm sayin is such a sudden shock to the system, without realy any preperation for such a sudden alteration in perception, is only something humans would do.. try to speed up [evoloution/anything] with a quick fix. the likelihood is that can only set you back , you can't force nature or demand enlightenment.
shamans who take drugs traditionally do it with respect for all the spirits of the land and body, with ancestorial experinence. I'm saying that westeners on mdma, say all they like, don't know wht the flip they are doing or playing with, ineveitabley this is the generation that takes every upper downer without a thought to natrual equilibrium.
Drugs that companies call safe, end up causing serious damage later in life...too many examples.
then drugs that everyone continually warns are potentially dangerous, can and can cause fatalities, are just swallowed up by the mouthful.
I mean what is wrong with us?, why do we all want to play so reckless so soon?
http://hipforums.com/forums/images/statusicon/user_online.gif http://hipforums.com/forums/images/buttons/reputation.gif (http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1002747#)depends on the fuckin drug, you cant just say all drugs are a certain way because all drugs are unique to themselves. many psycoative drugs are very safe, such as marijuana, lsd, mushrooms and such. sure theres some side effects but nothing life threatening. they basically show a person a different perspective of reality, are you afraid to leave the myth that your everyday reality is the only reality?

now to disaccociative drugs (ketamine, dxm, pcp), these have alot more potential risks in there use when compared to psycedellic drugs. but just because of potential danger doesnt mean you should avoid them, i mean people go sky diving and climb mountains all the time but the risks involved are considered worth the experience.

i wont go into drugs such as crack, coke, and heroin, cause their not accociated with mind expansion but rather the primative pleasure impulse. not saying their use is always negative, its just the dangers involved may out way the benefits for certain individuals.

drug use is a timeless pratice, since the begining of time man sought to alter his conscieceness. from marijuana use mentioned in the hindu holy texts, to sharman in america using peyote and mushrooms, even to christians drinking wine at communion. drug use is found in every corner of the world and cizilization.

why is a rapid changes in percepton bad? it can cause create a good deal of stress on the individual yeah, but you have to weight out the benefits. change in conscieceness allows a person to see the world and themselves in a new way, without all the pointless predjudices and customs man invented.
you advocate meditation as an alternative, but let me ask you something, if you had to get to the top of a skyscraper in a hurry would you use the stairs or just jump on the elevator to the top? the evelator of course refers to psycoative drugs (dissaccociative drugs can also) . it doesnt matter how a person becomes enlightened and learns the true nature of what ego is, pray, meditation, fasting, and drugs, they are different methods used to reach the same destination, but since times an issue (no one knows when their gonna die) drugs are a good option if used in a mature non-abusive fashion.

so in conclusion drug use has many benefits if used resposibly, but like anything good in this world they also have risks. who wants to live in a sterile risk free world anyway?

[Keramptha]

well drugs do have the ability to MAKE you stupid, however intelligent you were to start with!
it's not my weakness anymore!!!..But looking at the different perspectives now from the users side.....doing them , never talked about them at all...just tripped and spoke about the batch etc.. now though for the first time i'm looking at other parts of drug culture and in a way it's closing my mind as to their 'benefits'
yeah some american drug companies have made little pills that wipe out epidemics in africa with one dose....but that comes at a huge cost to some charity..having to raise money from tax payers! hah a i sound old. it just makes me think the way they work...not just in the breif mind expansion....that to be honist is just selfish justification compared to the ways that a paticular drug reached you in the first place.[exploitation]..i'm obviously reffering to crack amphetamines, opiates rich drugs etc..
so fk that..they're out now.
psychedelics..hey i've done them.i don't need to anymore.
cannabis.....pain killer..uses of hemp , grow your own etc..
psychoactives cause a ruckuss that makes you look at the world differently.
i think it is sad that people need to use such a tactic for awareness..but its not surprising considering the way we live...all users are considered wasted parts of society just becasue they took the only route they could find..out. But thats the fault of the way the majority live. then thats not their fault either!!

earlier i think i wrote.about this choice...a short life deserves short pleasures...or a long life prepares... they're equally crazy options, just because WHO KNOWS??!

[geckopelli]

I know- that's who!

Abuse is bad. ALL abuse. TV. Internet. Surfing. Dope.

There's more to life than ONE thing!

Get high and play with life- don't just be a wastiod.

[Maggie Sugar]

ANYONE WANT TO TELL ME DRUGS ARS SAFE?, I would NEVER say that........which is why Harm Reduction is so important.

[Keramptha]

sorry, what is harm reduction?

[eat_some_LSD]

Harm reduction is exactly what it says: the reduction of harm. Basically it is the concept that information and resources can be spread to users in order to maintain a standard of safety. Organizations such as Erowid, Lycaeum, Dancesafe, etc. promote the spreading of data and/or materials that will reduce the risk people take when experimenting with psychedelics, like collecting experience reports, testing samples, and providing accurate technical data on specific substances (when available).

[Keramptha]

right. never met one.

[oOflyeyesOo]

Your drug problems are not hte drugs fault they are yours and you should not say that drugs are evil and yell at people when they do drugs, if you think they are making bad choices just like you did then try to help them. Some people can live thier life normally when useing drugs and doesnt change how they work and do things.

[Maggie Sugar]

Right, Eat Some! Also individuals who have knowlege about recreationals and or pharmaceuticals who will answer questions for people looking to learn before they eat/snort/smoke/shoot/whatever a certain substance.

There is a number of Harm Reduction Advocates on Hip Forums. Some from the Health Care professions, some with a lot of personal knowlege from experience, some with a background in chemistry and some with a mix of these.

Ignorance is the cause of MOST poor outcome substance experiements.

[Maggie Sugar]

You never met a Harm Reduction Advocate, or never met a "safe" drug?

[Keramptha]

well i must be one nowadays. more of a hazordous warning some of the things i come out with . the totally obscene thing is...for someone who tried it, [for a few years..found pot at 12..the rest came quite quick]
anyhow, i'm surprised more and more each day how ANTI. i am. it's ridiculous. like i was punishing myself at the time by experimenting with things that deep down i really really, oppose to.
head fuck! totally strange stuff.

[geckopelli]

It's that "holier than thou" attitude "reformed" alchoholics often get.

[Liver Steam]

I would love to dose this ignorant little fuck with high power blotter acid then leave him in the desert.


IF YOU DON'T LIKE DRUGS THEN DON'T DO THEM.

and keep you bullshit to yourself.

[Keramptha]

Ignorance is the cause of MOST poor outcome substance experiements.
i'd say it's the cause of most substance experiments.
you don't know what it is, so you take it to find out...

I'm glader each day that I don't 'partake' as they say when offering!, some people make me feel ill by just looking at them. and i know now why I was with a group, of people before, i know now why those snobs and condescending types of other groups, avoided me.

I don't consider drugs BAD. sobreiety GOOD, and everyone should stick to that. jesus, there are times when a stiff drink or spliff is nessercary!

I do think though as a general rule, they are stupid, dangerous addictive, etc unpubliscied therfore carry a high level of lack of awareness, therfore are highly exploited abused and damaging, making underhand profits for dodgy deviants, [not you small time weed sellers!..the big dogs]
growing in abuse and neglected in concern.

Why is drug culture a secret affair for the outsider inclusive?
I mean..rave=ecstacy=loving strangers night of untimely bliss and understanding with the sommon people.

I'm saying we are seriously messed up if we have to do that in order to relate to each other. I'm not saying it isn't neccersary, becuase it it bltantly is sometimes, as the only way to 'get through' or communicate fluidly...
But it is sad that that is where we are.

[Keramptha]

depends on the fuckin drug, you cant just say all drugs are a certain way because all drugs are unique to themselves. many psycoative drugs are very safe, such as marijuana, lsd, mushrooms and such. sure theres some side effects but nothing life threatening. they basically show a person a different perspective of reality, are you afraid to leave the myth that your everyday reality is the only reality?

now to disaccociative drugs (ketamine, dxm, pcp), these have alot more potential risks in there use when compared to psycedellic drugs. but just because of potential danger doesnt mean you should avoid them, i mean people go sky diving and climb mountains all the time but the risks involved are considered worth the experience.

i wont go into drugs such as crack, coke, and heroin, cause their not accociated with mind expansion but rather the primative pleasure impulse. not saying their use is always negative, its just the dangers involved may out way the benefits for certain individuals.

drug use is a timeless pratice, since the begining of time man sought to alter his conscieceness. from marijuana use mentioned in the hindu holy texts, to sharman in america using peyote and mushrooms, even to christians drinking wine at communion. drug use is found in every corner of the world and cizilization.

why is a rapid changes in percepton bad? it can cause create a good deal of stress on the individual yeah, but you have to weight out the benefits. change in conscieceness allows a person to see the world and themselves in a new way, without all the pointless predjudices and customs man invented.
you advocate meditation as an alternative, but let me ask you something, if you had to get to the top of a skyscraper in a hurry would you use the stairs or just jump on the elevator to the top? the evelator of course refers to psycoative drugs (dissaccociative drugs can also) . it doesnt matter how a person becomes enlightened and learns the true nature of what ego is, pray, meditation, fasting, and drugs, they are different methods used to reach the same destination, but since times an issue (no one knows when their gonna die) drugs are a good option if used in a mature non-abusive fashion.

so in conclusion drug use has many benefits if used resposibly, but like anything good in this world they also have risks. who wants to live in a sterile risk free world anyway?

yep, I do agree. ^^ well if i come acorss as sterile you haven't seen some of the exercises we do. dragon stances are lurid colourful far out girning sweating exhilerations of experience!

. Lsd made reality be considered in the 60's, like how is this one, more/less real than the other one. How could that be generlly bad, people considering reality!! No thats just great. but then there was thatcher in the 80's..booo conservatives. and now we at the threat of nuclear war which i think is making people travel into the alternative reality...to get away from the other one, with an increasing induldgence..yes amongst this shit there is a greater and real love that will forgive everything. but spending too much time living there on synthetic kickstarts is pretty wasteful when it only perpetuates craving for getting away...and yes i'm not talking about everyone..not to you responsible ones. please don't take it personally.
I'm reffering to the increase of drug use, and the escalation of terror, in their relativity.

[Keramptha]

I would love to dose this ignorant little fuck with high power blotter acid then leave him in the desert.

.

lol. I would quite enjoy that. I'm going desert trekking next year. sort me out then!

[PokeSmot]

well if you do all the drugs known to man, you're gonna get fucked up. What kinda dumbass doesn't know this

[Keramptha]

well thats what i'm talking about....dumb people don't know how to use drugs..and thats dangerous. it's dangerous they're escape tools for vulnerable/unsure people who aren't in a very clever state of mind to start with. I'M NO T REFFERING TO THE CLEVER ONES ! they're are clever enough to look after themselves.
But people take all sorts of drugs from their gp and dpon't know what they are...i'd say thats dumb.

[geckopelli]

well if you do all the drugs known to man, you're gonna get fucked up. What kinda dumbass doesn't know this
Wrong!

[psychoactive321]

it's dangerous they're escape tools for vulnerable/unsure people who aren't in a very clever state of mind to start with. I'M NO T REFFERING TO THE CLEVER ONES ! they're are clever enough to look after themselves.
But people take all sorts of drugs from their gp and dpon't know what they are...i'd say thats dumb.
for one man, i dont think anyone should be criticizing anyone for there reason for using drugs. whether it be for insightful, or spiritual purposes, or just 2 get away from the horrible place the world has become. its a persons human right in my opinion do what they want w/ there body and there life... but on the fact of vulnerable/unsecure people.. ive know people that were on the brink of suicide, and the only thing that kept them going was 2 slam H. yea one of the guys i know is a junkie 2 this day, but the other one found that wasnt wat he wanted and went clean.

i can understand u saying drugs are bad and what not cuz they are and they can fuck u up. but its not the drug its the person and unfortunatly alot of people are weak, shit im one of them, i do opiates for a week str8 and im hooked. but for some people thats gambling or washing there hands. were all weak somewhere. dont blame anything but urself.

[Keramptha]

for one man, i dont think anyone should be criticizing anyone for there reason for using drugs. whether it be for insightful, or spiritual purposes, or just 2 get away from the horrible place the world has become. its a persons human right in my opinion do what they want w/ there body and there life... but for some people thats gambling or washing there hands. were all weak somewhere. dont blame anything but urself.

yeah i do agree with you. i just wish they were all legalisd and publiscised. it's such a stupid thing to have them hidden away and written off as evil. thats what makes people abuse exploit and be deviant . eg. if you are selling some weed as a pain killer...you are called a drug dealer.
if you are a gp presribing some theladomide..youre called a doctor.
the way they are branded as outsider cullture tools for whatever....fun, frolics, enlightenment, just completwely ignores the fact they are taking over people lives and need to be talked aboiut or at least produced and sold legggaly.

[purcolekraze]

Keramptha: you have a point drugs can do horrible things but people like to live for the moment and experience things too as you also said. no one listens to anyone now a days.



I like to take drugs.

[Keramptha]

Drugs Backfire.

[Maggie Sugar]

Especially if the ether hasn't evaporated yet. LOL! ;)

[lolfreedom]

allright pot is fine FUCK YOU if i wouldnt have calmed down and smoked one i'd have done something rerally stiupid last week

[Maggie Sugar]

Especially if the ether hasn't evaporated yet. LOL!


LOL, ahhh whats wrong with a little ether buzz anyway!

From what I have heard, the explosions. LOL!

[EllisDTripp]

Otherwise known as the "Richard Pryor Effect"....:)

[Maggie Sugar]

<snort> LOL! Poor guy.

[earthfluff]

A drug is neither moral nor immoral... it is not until they are ingested by a human that they become moral or immoral, dependent on the person who's taken them.
Different degrees of safeness with different drugs... but by far the biggest factor is who's using them, why they're being used, and what the persons psychological background is. Heroin is of course different from marijuana which is different than psilocybin which of course is different than Tylenol 3's which is different from dexedrine..on and on.
Don't try to make a substance which is void of morality a scape goat for your problems.

[StonerBill]

so... whats the longest time youve gone without your special dancing lately?
hope your not dependant on it

[Keramptha]

drugs are a load of stupid shit... and anyone who takes them for a laugh is a stupid dumb fuck....

i dont care if you doit or ou dont, or if you know youre stupid or not.


go suck on a gas tap.....


AS LONG AS YOU DONT SAY ITS COOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

[Keramptha]

fduck you fuckl you fuck you drug users who think youre cool

......oh youre so cool man, youre so fucking cool. drugs are cool



DRUGS ARE REALY REALLY SO COOL. MORE COOL THAN ANYTHING ELSE ....I MEAN ANYTHING. DRUGS ARE SOOOO SOO SO COOL THAT NOTHING COMPARES TO THEM... THEY'RE JUST THE COOLEST FUKCING THINGS ON THIS PLANET EVER!!!!!!



DRUGS ARE ACOOL MAN.. DO THEM THEYRE SO COOL


SERIOUSLY THEY ARE FUCKING COOL

DRUGS ARE COOL

[2cesarewild]

Nah man, you're fucking cool. Superfly even.

[Keramptha]

im ACYUALLY MENTALLY twisted.

i take drugs, all the time. [ god im cool man] for a laugh, for kicks,. for whatever...I S TILL THINK EVERYONE WHO DOES THEM ARE STUPID AND INFANTILE AND MORONICALLY BORED.

one day im just gonna have a cup of tea and a biscuit vefore i go out.

and anyway fuck drugs, they just fuck you up...

[RoBoWaLkEr]

Why did you have to go and drudge up this shit topic keramptha?

[Keramptha]

becuase this is where i tell other drug users what i think of them.