How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?


1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.



2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. WE MUST CONFESS JESUS CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOR WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}

(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to Save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Savior please pray this from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I realize that I cannot get to heaven any other way other than to trust YOU as my SAVIOR. I ask you to forgive me for my sins and take me to heaven when I die. I receive YOU as my Lord and SAVIOR. Thank You for Saving me in JESUS name amen"

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

[Soulless||Chaos]

Better yet, let's just slaughter every child that is born, before they have a chance to risk sinning! Brilliance! :D

[Dustinthewind]

We just got spammed by God.

[Mr MiGu]

I tried that whole church thing, and it was pretty boring. I probly woulda napped through it, cept those goddamned pews are so fucking uncomfortable. I prefer to spend my sundays at home in bed. What kind of loving god would want me to wake spend my sundays waking up early, sitting in an uncumfortable seat, listening to some guy bore the shit out of me?? Im sorry, I cannot worship such a cruel god.

[KozmicBlue]

What if I don't wanna get to heaven? Hell sounds so much more fun. :X

[~*starfucker]

there is no god...

[bedlam]

pffft, l just wanna rot when l die

[Lodui]

Jesus and I had a little fling back in the spring of '99.

You get moved up to the top of the list if you've fucked gods only son. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[sooty_the_kat]

s l u t m o n k e y

religion is for sheep

[ihmurria]

I love that this is being posted by xFrodoBagginsx. It really makes me want to convert and confess all my sins.

oh shit, I'd probably die before I finished confessing. well, time to keep on sinning. hurrah!

[Lodui]

I didn't even notice his name was frodo baggins...

Jesus and lord of the rings geeks... this thread is like every nightmare I've ever had.

[Epiphany]

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.


That is only the beginning... simply believing in God does not mean you are going to Heaven.

See below for Salvation

[HippyFreek2004]

Oh fun...I absolutely hate these threads...How do those people get in? Isn't there a screening process?

Epiphaninny...I LOVE you....You don't push this issue...

[Samhain]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

if so just click here and let the love of the goddess enter your soul

http://hipforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=142



:D

[HippyFreek2004]

:D
Go samhain! :D This is so fun! :D

[Miss_Tambourine_Girl]

How To Get To Heaven When You Die ?

don't go round breaking other people's balls

[freakwentflyer]

Oh, joy. Thank you for showing me the way. I was going to take Interstate 69 past Pergatory and turn left at devils fork.
Thanks for straightening me out.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

I hope someone out there will trust the Lord.

[Lodui]

I hope someone out there will trust the Lord. I don't see why I would... hes stolen like, half my pairs of socks. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/pissedoff.gif

[Lucifer Sam]

ANOTHER one...? (o_O) Geez, since when did God become *cool*?

Jesus and lord of the rings geeks... this thread is like every nightmare I've ever had.
Ahaha...

[freakwentflyer]

I hope someone out there will trust the Lord.
Trust? Is that like faith? People of religion have no faith or trust. They need a religion to promise them something, out of their fear of death. They need answers to explain the pain and suffering. They need to hear how the greedy will get punished in the end.
True trust needs no answers. True faith needs no religion. My maker is my maker, my maker needs no name. I see in my makers work (nature) my makers design. Seek truth through nature, let your faith be blind. Live with balance and kindness toward others. When you die, fall back blind and faithful that you will be caught and cared for.
There's no need of streets of gold.

[Becknudefck]

Hail Satan

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

My faith is not blind, it is based opon God's word.

[HippyFreek2004]

that's not quite God's word, sweetie pie...Throughout all the translations and political upheaval that's gone down in the last 2,000 years, that it wasn't going to be changed and manipulated? If it was originally God's word, it's really far from it now...

Not to mention, I agree with Freakwent....Faith is not having to believe in anything...Just seeing and knowing and trusting without the word of some divine force that may or may not exist.

[Epiphany]

Not to be offensive, but the mainstream view of Christianity that states a simple prayer to God results in your salvation and a permanent spot in Heaven is brought about by false prophecy that many churches in this day and age sadly promote.

I am not blaming the people, I am blaming the church leaders.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

First of all if you would study it, the bible is clearly the word of God. You have faith in nothing, I have faith in God. As far as saying a simple prayer, the bible says that if we recieve Him (Christ) we will be saved, the prayer is summing these things up to God. By the way, God has always been true, it is man that changes. God doesn't worry about what is cool or not. If you don't want God, you will be the one embarrassed when you stand before Him at the Judgement.

Lu 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

[Soulless||Chaos]

How do you know the bible is the word of god? Your faith is based in ignorance. :D

[Mr MiGu]

which god are we talking about here?

[Epiphany]

the bible says that if we recieve Him (Christ) we will be saved, the prayer is summing these things up to God
Jesus quite simply states that no one will see Heaven unless they are baptized and filled with his spirit, thus, requiring more than a prayer. I have layed the whole thing out in the post linked on my signature.

[interval_illusion]

i read your thing... at the end it's basically saying that you have to speak in tongues to be saved???

and baptisum... im sorry, but some old man putting water on my forehead isnt gonna prove anything.

[interval_illusion]

haha i know the feeling... well, the baptised part hehe

[interval_illusion]

but im a hermaphodite, member?

[interval_illusion]

oops, i forgot. hold on.

[Juggalo4ever]

Baptising babies is funny

[Epiphany]

i read your thing... at the end it's basically saying that you have to speak in tongues to be saved???

and baptisum... im sorry, but some old man putting water on my forehead isnt gonna prove anything.
Tonuges are the physical evidence of the Holy Spirit.

Baptisim by the mere sprinkling of water is futile.

[interval_illusion]

Tonuges are the physical evidence of the Holy Spirit.

Baptisim by the mere sprinkling of water is futile.

so you are trying to say that you have to speak tongues to get into "heaven"?

i just dont believe that. and i never will.

[Epiphany]

Without being filled with the Holy Spirit, then no, you will not get into Heaven. Many people choose not to believe when the fact remains that it is a command.

Pentecostals in the south who use rattlesnakes to demonstrate the power of Christ are forgetting the passage that simply states, "Do not tempt the Lord your God."

[Epiphany]

No

[Epiphany]

Sadly, I know many Christians who are on the wrong path as well

[Epiphany]

When it comes to the Lord, whether or not people choose to acknowledge it, he has but one path that leads to him. He also makes that quite clear.

[Epiphany]

I love when people make these accusations. To say, "my way or the highway", is fallacious. An accurate statement would be, "God's way or the highway". I am not God, the rules are not mine.

[Lodui]

Why should I be anymore concerned with getting into heaven then in getting into Club Rio... they both seem nice, but I'm probably not getting in unless I slip the bouncer a $20. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gif

I'm content now, I don't need heaven.

[sooty_the_kat]

oh puh-lease

if God was as great as he's made out to be then the conditions on getting into heaven would not be accepting him as your lord or whatever the fuck. what a load of shit.

[Lodui]

God is pretty petty and bipolar.

If I were god there'd be some changes around here...

Vote Lodui for god 2005. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gif

I couldn't fuck things up worse then they are already... gods really bad at what he does.

[sooty_the_kat]

if god does exist (doubtful) then im glad im not one of his slaves

[Lodui]

If Satan exists, he owes me. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[sooty_the_kat]

nah its all the same bullshit to me

[interval_illusion]

Without being filled with the Holy Spirit, then no, you will not get into Heaven. Many people choose not to believe when the fact remains that it is a command.

Pentecostals in the south who use rattlesnakes to demonstrate the power of Christ are forgetting the passage that simply states, "Do not tempt the Lord your God."


i dont believe that the bible teachs that you need to speak in tongues to get to heaven.

[HippyCor$ter]

SPAM Block this Motherfucker.

[Epiphany]

i dont believe that the bible teachs that you need to speak in tongues to get to heaven.Speaking in tongues is not the point. Possessing the spirit of the Lord is.

[HippyCor$ter]

God isnt real I know this for a fact. It was just a way for people to think there is a life after death. Sorry to brake the news to u but once u die there aint shit after.

[Epiphany]

I am sorry you feel that way.

[sooty_the_kat]

so naive

[Epiphany]

so naive
:rolleyes:

[Rebel_1]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?


1. Realize that you are a sinner

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not richeous because we do bad things.

A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store is punishable by going to jail. Even if we lie one time,

the punishment is hell, which is eternal separation from God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed

a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. Just as if you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for

the crime you committed. Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.



2. Because of our sins, we die both physically and spiritually, but God sent His Son Jesus to die on the cross to take your punishment.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

3. The reason that Jesus Christ died on the cross is so that You and I could go to heaven, but we will not get there unless we receive what HE did for us.

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."



4. We must confess Jesus Christ with our mouth as our Savior, and believe in our hearts that God hath raised Him from the dead.

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church can't get you there, you can only get to heaven by turning to Jesus and asking Him to Save you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Savior please pray this from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I realize that I cannot get to heaven any other way other than to trust YOU as my SAVIOR. I ask you to forgive me for my sins and take me to heaven when I die. I receive YOU as my Lord and SAVIOR. Thank You for Saving me in JESUS name amen"

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.




I am a strong beliver in God and Jesus Christ, I also strongly believe that Jesus died on the cross to save me and others who believe. May Gods blessing be upon all.

[FreakyJoeMan]

I am 100% sure that, if I died today, I'd go directly to hell. An i'm proud of it.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Epiphany,

Thank you for your support. Tongues has nothing to do with salvation. I don't even believe in speaking in tongues. We simply need to accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and believe that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for us.

[ihmurria]

Epiphany,

Thank you for your support. Tongues has nothing to do with salvation. I don't even believe in speaking in tongues. We simply need to accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and believe that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for us.
Lol, I first read that as "toques have nothing to do with salvation".

Anyways... I think it's pretty goddamn rude to spam this forum with Christian stuff. I mean, hipforums is cool enough to set aside a space for that (Religion forum - Christianity), ya'll don't need to be throwing it into the random crap thread.

[interval_illusion]

let the person be... they are just doing what they think is right. whether they were right or wrong, i think there were good intentions. :D

[olhippie54]

Isn't there a forum for this specific topic?

[MagicMedicine]

I see someone let out the religious kind again. Jesus that, God that. Take a look at the world today and try and tell me there's a God. If I ever decided to make a world, I wouldnt let it turn into chaos like he has done. Either way, he's either not there, or a weak nobody. I'd rather live my life the way I want to than live how some ancient book tells me to live. When I'm dying, I'll at least have the satisfaction that my life was mine and I lived it to it's fullest.

Religious people are nothing but worthless piggy banks that need something to make their miserable life worth living. End of story. Have a great day.

[Samhain]

I see someone let out the religious kind again. Jesus that, God that. Take a look at the world today and try and tell me there's a God. If I ever decided to make a world, I wouldnt let it turn into chaos like he has done. Either way, he's either not there, or a weak nobody. I'd rather live my life the way I want to than live how some ancient book tells me to live. When I'm dying, I'll at least have the satisfaction that my life was mine and I lived it to it's fullest.

Religious people are nothing but worthless piggy banks that need something to make their miserable life worth living. End of story. Have a great day.

I'm a religious person, i follow my own path, i do not force my religion on others and i do not feel my religion is right for everyone else just because it is right for me so maybe story's can have different endings
S

[mynameiskc]

is this spam? technically speaking?

[nitemarehippygirl]

We just got spammed by God.
that's possibly the funniest thing i've seen all day......

[mynameiskc]

so, yeah, it's spam. that's what i thought.

[Epiphany]

Epiphany,

Thank you for your support. Tongues has nothing to do with salvation. I don't even believe in speaking in tongues. So then you deny the fact that those is the new testament spoke in tongues? I find it amusing that modern, "christianity" does not accept this. By unbelief, this means that their teaching is calling the Bible, Jesus, and his apostles liars.

Romans 8:9 states , "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to the Christ."

If you do not have his spirit, then what leads you to believe that you have salvation? Salvation does not come because a preacher/pastor/leader claims it. Nor does it come about by a, "euphoric" feeling. There is absolutely no biblical evidence to back the claim of a shiny, happy feeling up.

However, upon looking at the Bible, you will clearly see that speaking in tongues is a solitary example of confirmation of the Holy Spirit (I have listed all of the verses pertaining to this). If Christ said that without being baptized and possessing his spirit, one would not see his kingdom, then any teaching claiming otherwise is not of the Lord because it would not contradict his statement. Christ does not go back on his word!

We simply need to accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and believe that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for us.Simply believing in Christ does not bring about salvation. I am sorry, but that contradictions Jesus's own words. John 3:5 makes that quite clear. Knowing that Christ died for us is simple awareness. Awareness does not bring about salvation. It is merely the first step.

Lastly, for all of those who are so upset over the fact that someone would dare post this topic, last time I checked this was called, "random thoughts". That pretty much implies that anything goes. We have a beverage forum, both a marijuana and a psychadelic forum and a love and sex forum, yet, I still see posts here that pertain to all of those topics. This is a free speech board. If you are able to discuss topics of that nature outside of their confined forum, then religion would apply to random thoughts as well.

[mynameiskc]

i always figured that speaking in tongues just referred to people suddenly being blessed with the knack for languages. one of those spiritual gifts. not this glossallalia (sp?) gibberish mumbo jumbo.

(though the book Snowcrash deals with this concept BRILLIANTLY)

[Epiphany]

When I am speaking in tongues I can hear clearly defined words being said in a language that I have not learned nor had any previous exposure to at any point in my life. Quite frankly, it is another language.

Glossolalia is also defined by being in a trance-like state. When speaking in tongues, I am fully aware of my surroundings. I do not have any restrictions placed upon my body. I could speak in tongues at this very moment and still be able to type efficiently at the same time.

The world of psychology has also stated that speaking in tongues may be a manifestation of schizophrenic. As a psychology student, I find no correlation.

[interval_illusion]

ive only seen speaking in tongues are being done by people faking. not saying it doesnt happen.

[mynameiskc]

i just don't think that the people leaving the sanctuary on pentecost were doing epiphany's version of "speaking in tongues." i think they were given the gift of languages. what good is speaking in tongues traci's style if no one else understands you? the apostles were given the gift of tongues to communicate the gospel to non-believers. the non-believers were not given the gift of understanding the "tongues" spoken by the apostles.

[interval_illusion]

true. makes sense to me like you always do. :D

[Epiphany]

Tongues are meant for communication with God, not man. That is the first mistake everyone makes. Many people claim that tongues seem like a falliable langue, however, it is not meant as a form of communication with mankind. Also, again, if you look at the examples, people of old testament were given the gift of tongues, not just the apostles.

[interval_illusion]

why would god want you to speak in tongues to talk to him?

my god.. which is the christian god without the church.. hears my soul. my soul means all.

[mynameiskc]

the holy spirit's job is the communication of our prayers and our soul to god. i think you mistake the point of the gift of tongues, not i.

[Epiphany]

I believe that you are mistaken... tongues are not a gift of the Spirit. If you read 1st Corinthians througouly, it states that both the interpretation of tongues and speaking in several different forms of tongues are gifts of the spirit.

[interval_illusion]

the holy spirit makes you feel life and know how to treat others. tongues are usually fake.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

1Co 13:8 ¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. {fail: Gr. vanish away}
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 8:2
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. {done away: Gr. vanish away}

We no longer speak in tongues because that which is "perfect" has come. The perfect word of God is already complete. I possess the Holy Spirit and I have never spoken in tongues. I do know that one time, I was being attacked by demons in my sleep and they did speak in tongues. The very second that I woke up, I heard the same exact voice talking on the radio, but it turned into english. The guy was talking about how he had been an alcoholic and now he is saved. I believe that that guy had demons following him, since the "tongues" that I heard was demonic in nature. Very agressive and evil. I am not going to say weather you tongues come from God or not, but I will say that you don't need to speak in tongues to be saved. It's all about believing what Christ did for you on the cross for your sins. It is NOT about looking for some sign. If everyone places there attention all the time on looking for a sign from God, then they will probably believe any sign is from God. Not all supernatural occurances are from God. We need to have discernment. I have no doubt that I have the Holy Spirit. I can feel His presence in me. I just don't speak in tongues. I never have and I doubt that I ever will. I have seen the Lord deliver from the powers of darkness. I fight spiritual warfare daily. I have received Christ as Savior.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}

It doesn't say for as many as have spoken in tongues.

[dhs]

:) !

[Epiphany]

I have not made any reference as to looking for a sign.

After Jesus's death, (what is perfect that had come), his spirit was poured out onto his apostles and believers and it was not until then that they began to speak in another tongue.

Discernment comes only from Christ's spirit. Many people are led into believing that they have the Spirit, yet in reality, they are only under the influence of a false spirit.

When the one hundred and twenty were filled with his spirit, they were all on one accord. Likewise, those who are filled with the spirit of Christ, will be on the same accord. No one everyone possesses the Spirit as they claim to.

Again, please show me a biblical reference that states when one is filled with the Spirit, they will possess a special feeling.

I have received Christ as my savior and followed his example of water and spiritual baptism. I have repented of my sin, am covered by his blood impart by baptism in his name and have received his spirit by evidence of speaking in tongues as found in the new testament.

It was through the guidance of his spirit that I was led to write the initial salvation post in the beginning.

Stating that a gift from the Father (such as tongues) is of satan, is blasphemy.

[interval_illusion]

pompous.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

He does this for me. He comforts me. Also, I understand that it is not based on feelings but it is also not based on sight either.

2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Salvation is by grace through faith. It is not the result of Baptism, Baptism is the result of Salvation.

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Where does it talk about baptism here?

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. {words: or, speech}

The focus is not baptism, it is the gospel. It is the gospel that saves. Baptism is an act of obedience.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The Holy Spirit does tell God that we belong to Him. We recieve the Holy Spirit when we accept Christ as Savior.

[sooty_the_kat]

sssshhhhhhhhhhhh

[BlackGuardXIII]

I am 100% sure that, if I died today, I'd go directly to hell. An i'm proud of it.
See ya there, I'll likely die first, so I'll save you a good spot. And don't pack a sweater, we won't need one.

Hell Yeah! What the hell is there to do in heaven? It will be a cold day in hell before they drag me through those pearly gates. I'd raise holy hell. Even the thought that I could end up in heaven, scares the hell out of me. hell's bells, that is one hell of a thing to worry about. There is no way in hell. If they try to send me to heaven, I'll tell them to go to hell.
there, that should make sure.......

[Epiphany]

Where does it talk about baptism here?Yet, you disregard these verses:

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. - Mark 16:16
"Having been buried with him in baptism" - Colossians 2:11
"He saved us by the washing of rebirth (baptism) and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior." - Titus 2:5&6


Jesus gave these as commands. Without being obedient, you cannot possess salvation!

"For we are witnesses of those things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him." - Acts 5:32

Without obedience, one cannot receive his spirit. The scripture has made that very clear.

Jesus also states that his Spirit would guide us is in ALL truth. Thus, discernment...

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Washed by baptism. "Ye are washed, ye are sanctified". It does not state, "By faith ye are sanctified".

The Holy Spirit does tell God that we belong to Him. We recieve the Holy Spirit when we accept Christ as Savior.Not according to what took place during Pentecost. They already knew that Jesus Christ was their savior.

Remember, it is not merely by faith, nor merely by works, but BOTH

Very simply, you must believe in Christ first and foremost. Secondly, you must receive both baptisms. Then, and only then are you saved, according to God's very own word.

[Mr MiGu]

Stating that a gift from the Father (such as tongues) is of satan, is blasphemy.
One mans blashpemy is another mans truth

[sooty_the_kat]

See ya there, I'll likely die first, so I'll save you a good spot. And don't pack a sweater, we won't need one.

Hell Yeah! What the hell is there to do in heaven? It will be a cold day in hell before they drag me through those pearly gates. I'd raise holy hell. Even the thought that I could end up in heaven, scares the hell out of me. hell's bells, that is one hell of a thing to worry about. There is no way in hell. If they try to send me to heaven, I'll tell them to go to hell.
there, that should make sure.......


jesus fucking christ ill see you there buddy :D

[BlackGuardXIII]

It is going to be one hell of a party. Like hell I'd miss that, I'm on a highway to hell. I just won the SuperBowl, where am i going?

I'm going to hell!

[sooty_the_kat]

It is going to be one hell of a party. Like hell I'd miss that, I'm on a highway to hell. I just won the SuperBowl, where am i going?

I'm going to hell!


hell yeah. i think my sinning enough to guarentee no entry to heaven, thank god for that. cant think of anything worse than spending eternity kissing gods wrinkly old ass.

[Lodui]

Don't forget little boys, priests are doing gods will on earth, and priests molest little boys.

That means gods a boyfucker.

[BlackGuardXIII]

It will be way more fun annoying the hell out of Satan.....I hope he's ready for some major mischief, hell will never be the same........

Or, I guess I could go to that great big library in the sky, and quietly read 2000 page philosophy tomes with a bunch of bearded old sexually repressed grumps.

[daisymae]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

I am 100% sure that if I died today, I would be worm food.

No one can be 100% sure of the existance of heaven, if they could there wouldn't be much point in having faith, would there?

I thought that was the entire point of being religious, which by the way, I am not....:D

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Although there is faith involved in it, I do know 100% that I am a child of God.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(KJV)

[daisymae]

Although there is faith involved in it, I do know 100% that I am a child of God.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(KJV)
The key words here are "believe". The word "know" is not meant in the academic sense, but the "know in your heart" faith sense.

You do not 100% "know" anything about what happens after death. No one does.

[gumbygurl]

I don't know whether or not I'll go to heaven, nor do I care. Right now I'm living life to the fullest. When i die I'll find out. I figured if I haven't killed anyone or hurt the earth then I'll go to heaven if there is one. I think people create their own hell but not me i'm just having good times, good friends, and a good life. -Peace:)

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

The key words here are "believe". The word "know" is not meant in the academic sense, but the "know in your heart" faith sense.

You do not 100% "know" anything about what happens after death. No one does.
It DOES say that you may KNOW that you have eternal life. Who may know? Those who BELIEVE may KNOW

[daisymae]

It DOES say that you may KNOW that you have eternal life. Who may know? Those who BELIEVE may KNOW
So, according to your logic, children who believe with all their heart that a monster lives in their closet, 100% KNOW that there really is one in there.

You can have your religion. I personally couldn't care any less what you or anyone else believes. All I am asking is that you keep it in the religion forum, so those of us who don't want any can stay out. Way too much crap goes on in the name of "GOD".

[Epiphany]

All I am asking is that you keep it in the religion forum, so those of us who don't want any can stay out.
So then everyone else should keep their posts pertaining to sex, drugs, alcohol, parenting, relationships, etc., in their designated forums as well. According to your statement, in all fairness, everyone who has any comment whatsoever that relates to any area of this forum which has been specifically created for that subject, should not post it in random thoughts. :rolleyes:

[Iron Butterfly]

We just got spammed by God.
lol

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

So then everyone else should keep their posts pertaining to sex, drugs, alcohol, parenting, relationships, etc., in their designated forums as well. According to your statement, in all fairness, everyone who has any comment whatsoever that relates to any area of this forum which has been specifically created for that subject, should not post it in random thoughts. :rolleyes:
Thank you Epiphany :)

[daisymae]

So then everyone else should keep their posts pertaining to sex, drugs, alcohol, parenting, relationships, etc., in their designated forums as well. According to your statement, in all fairness, everyone who has any comment whatsoever that relates to any area of this forum which has been specifically created for that subject, should not post it in random thoughts. :rolleyes:
If those posts will be made in a holier-than-thou, my-way-or-the-highway fashion....yes, please. :)

[Lodui]

Right on daisymae. you go girl. *snaps fingers* http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

If those posts will be made in a holier-than-thou, my-way-or-the-highway fashion....yes, please. :)
First of all Epiphany thank you for your support.

Daisymae,

Secondly, it is not my way it is God's way. God is the one who had it written down in the bible, argue with Him about it. I plead with you to take this seriously and don't take it lightly. This is where you will spend eternity, and one place is a fire that will never be quenched. Go over to your stove and turn on the burner. Stick your hand in and leave it there for 10 seconds. I bet you can't. Imagine spending 1000 years there. Imagine spending eternity there. That is like hell, except, hell is much hotter and completely black, all by yourself forever. No one wants to go there. You wouldn't want to go there if you really understood what you were saying. Please, I am not here to be pushy, I am not here to yell or preach at you. I am here because I really care for you. Please pray about it and ask God to show you the truth.

If you have any questions please ask,

Thank You,

Scott

[sooty_the_kat]

This is where you will spend eternity, and one place is a fire that will never be quenched. Go over to your stove and turn on the burner. Stick your hand in and leave it there for 10 seconds. I bet you can't. Imagine spending 1000 years there. Imagine spending eternity there. That is like hell, except, hell is much hotter and completely black, all by yourself forever. No one wants to go there.



and have you ever been there? im betting no. actually it's not bad at all, christians just make hell out to be some horrible place to scare people into praising God. at least its not governed by an opressive set of rules made out by one dictator who uses fear to scare people into admission

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Mr 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend}
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Re 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(KJV)

t 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Doesn't sound like a fun party to me.

[Mr MiGu]

if we our soul transcends our body and goes to hell, what does the temperature there matter if we have no physical means to feel it?

[sooty_the_kat]

Mr 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend}
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched........


im sorry but those words are written by the hand of man, still to scare people into obliging with Gods way

[Epiphany]

Though I do not agree with your modernized method of salvation, I do commend you for your thread. Spreading the gospel is not an easy task whether it be on a forum or in day to day life.

[Epiphany]

If those posts will be made in a holier-than-thou, my-way-or-the-highway fashion....yes, please. :)

If you wish not to hear about the topic, then you can always opt to simply not read or respond to the thread. There is also the option of the ignore button.

[Lodui]

Secondly, it is not my way it is God's way. God is the one who had it written down in the bible, argue with Him about it. I plead with you to take this seriously and don't take it lightly. This is where you will spend eternity, and one place is a fire that will never be quenched. Go over to your stove and turn on the burner. Stick your hand in and leave it there for 10 seconds. I bet you can't. Imagine spending 1000 years there. Imagine spending eternity there. That is like hell, except, hell is much hotter and completely black, all by yourself forever. No one wants to go there. You wouldn't want to go there if you really understood what you were saying. Please, I am not here to be pushy, I am not here to yell or preach at you. I am here because I really care for you. Please pray about it and ask God to show you the truth.

What kinda just god would do that to sweet daisymae? I wouldn't do that to her, why would god?

I dunno Daisymae that well, but she seems really friendly, she takes good care of her family. Are you saying I'm more just and loving then god? that sounds kinda blasphemous.

What kind of god would cast good people into perdition?

It sounds like a lotta people are more qualified to be god then this guy...

Why should a person spend there live revering an invisible man from 'b' hebrew fiction who looks down on you and tells you, 'don't do it or I'll fucking spank you.'

With god being so bi-polar, how do you know you'll be rewarded for your work... maybe you'll just end up pissing of god, and be sent to hell along with Ghandi.

What if we found out tommorow that there was no god?... hypothetically, would your life be pointless?

God was a metaphor the hebrew people used to explain the world around them, and you anthropomorphise.

Now we have science and can understand our world. God is irrelevant in the 21st century.

[herbskindessence]

the Epiphany that you need is that you are a member of a cult which worships the Bible...a book...filled with the hallucinations of monkeys...
what you need to do is confess your error to your fellow monkeys..the "sin" ofbeing so wrong and at the same time so sure that you are right...so sure that you turned yourself into an automaton who regularly reports for brainwashing...and who tried to get other, innocent clear-thinking monkeys into the particular System of Brainwashing that you are in...and who conspired with other fairy-tale-believing monkeys to lure innocent clear-thinking monkeys into the Fold...
I hope you think long and hard about what you might be doing, and about what it is that is being done to you...right now, it is with your consent, but it doesn't have to be that way...you too can become an innocent, clear-thinking monkey.
Human monkeys drive cars, get married, write novels, build-spaceships, talk about the weather and sports and fairy tales and facts.

[Epiphany]

have to be that way...you too can become an innocent, clear-thinking monkey. Human monkeys drive cars, get married, write novels, build-spaceships, talk about the weather and sports and fairy tales and facts.Ah yes, the, "Christians are close minded and naive" argument. Let's see... I am a psychology major, a poet, and a very free spirited individual who possess many, many interests, both common and unique. The minuscule bubble that you so falsely presume that I live in just does not exist. If those of you who make such immature assumptions would simply step back and take the time to get to know a person before judging them, you would see that in most instances you are quite wrong about your cookie cutter Christian labels.

If you wish to walk around calling Christian's close minded merely based on their religious beliefs, keep in mind that you are practicing the same intolerance that you so animately preach against.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Epiphany said it best "To call Christian's close minded merely based on their religious beliefs, keep in mind that you are practicing the same intolerance that you so animately preach against."

It's not fair to call Christians closed minded any more than you must that you are closed minded if you don't consider that what the bible says may be the truth.

[Mr MiGu]

truth is a myth, like leperachauns and anchovies

[freakwentflyer]

Oh I wouldn't say Christians are closed minded. The are in fact too open minded.
As I always said, it's important to have an open mind but a good idea to keep the screen door shut to keep the flies out.
Religions are full of flies.
Spiritual good. Religion bad.

[Mr MiGu]

Spiritual good. Religion bad.
whats the difference?

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

whats the difference?
Religion is a ritual. Spirituality with God is having a real one on one relationship with God Himself. Christians are able to do something that non-Christians cannot comprehend, that is communicate with God and feel His presence with us. It is so genuine that even though a Christian cannot explain fully how they know that God is with them, the fact is that they know it. God has never left me since I have accepted Him, back when I was 5. Sometimes it feels like He is a million miles away, but He is always with me. When I am close to Him, I can feel His presence very strongly and He even fills me with His Spirit, which gives me a peace that is like no other experience in the world.

[ihmurria]

whats the difference?
religion is an institution. As such, it can be a lot easier to manipulate, and has a higher chance of getting caught up in politics and power (re history of the Christian church, a lot of horrible things were done because religion said it was ok. Not just Christianity though)

spirituality is what you feel, your connection to what is divine, however you define that to be. It comes from within, it's not told to you, no one gives you rules to follow or schedules of faith and worship.

or at least, that's my take on the difference between religion and spirituality.

[interval_illusion]

this is retarded. let the dude have his beliefs. if you dont agree, fine. he was just trying to help in his own way .

let it go,

[Soulless||Chaos]

Well, I think it's time to get down to brass tacks here. So to start, how about proving, without quoting the bible (like that proves shit to begin with), that the bible is god's word? :D

[interval_illusion]

you know, i agree. i grew up in the CHURCH but MY god has saved me and really im just too lazy to write it.. it's too hard to explain.

just dont be too hard on him. :D

[Soulless||Chaos]

I'm just bored and feel like debating or something. :D I doubt I'll follow up though, my attention span can be fairly short. :D

[interval_illusion]

go debate in my thread then.

cause i really need help

[Soulless||Chaos]

But that's a serious issue, I don't want to fuck it up...

[interval_illusion]

But that's a serious issue, I don't want to fuck it up...

no one else is on. or cares. or takes me seriously. honestly, i thin its 50 50 and most people on here would be glad.

[Soulless||Chaos]

Probably no one else on believes it, I'd rather not...

[Super_Grrl]

Wow...alright then. Freakwent you're becoming my new favourite poster. I swear, it's like you're reading my mind.

Anyway I honestly have no problem with people believing in God or any other sort of deity. Live it up. BUT I really hate having it crammed in my face, people saying I'm going to hell if I don't listen to what they have to say. That annoys the shit out of me. I did the God thing, and in the end I realized that it wasn't true to anything but its own priorities.

I'm not a religious person (now), but I'm a spiritual person. And I would rather have a private, one-on-one relationship with a Higher Power that I can define, then be told by some people who don't even know me that I'm an evil sinner and am going to burn in hell.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Hello all,

I don't mean to come off preachy or in your face. I am only here to give the gospel according the what God's word says, not condemn anyone or be pushy. Sorry if it came off that way. Please consider praying that prayer to God from your heart.

I greatly appreciate and respect you all,

Scott

[Soulless||Chaos]

But how do you know that it is in fact god's word?

[freakwentflyer]

Hey Super Girl- Please don't feed my ego. It's a monster if it get's too much to eat.

Seriously, I couldn't agree with you more. I was very religious as a young teen. From age 11 to 14 I was going to be the next Billy Graham. I was a fine young Christian set out to show the world the Jesus that I knew and loved. I read and studied the Bible over and over. But my thirst to understand "it all" lead me to read everything I could get my hands on. Other religions, philosophies, history, political books right and left, even scifi (Ray Bradbury was my favorite). My spiritual quest lead me through all kinds of things. Did a lot of trippin' in the dessert if you know what I mean. I long ago realized that people can feel that spiritual connection, that brilliant oneness with their maker with or without all the trappings of religion. Having no faith at all or no feeling of spiritual oneness is far worse than those who have it through a religion, but being able to have it without religious dogma is so much better for the individual and for the world. The problem with religions is they define a god. My belief is best labled as Taoist. Toaist believe the "Tao" or ultimate truth is undefinable. "To know the Tao is to not know the Tao". It is a spritual philosphy. It is about balance and awareness without knowing (thinking you know). It is understanding through observation and experience of nature. It doesn't need to push itself on others, so you never have Taoist come knocking on your door. I honestly believe, the real Jesus was exposed to Taoism from traders of the far east. The roots of which are 600 years older than Christianity. "Do unto others as they would do unto you" is from Taoism.
The followers of Jesus turned him into a religion.
Jesus tried to tactfully steer his people away from the dogma of Judism, then he himself was turned into a religion full of dogma.
Fear of hell, promises of streets of gold? Only way to heaven through Jesus? I think the real Jesus would laugh at that. He'd have to have one hell of an ego if it were true!

[Super_Grrl]

You must spread some reputation around before giving to Freakwentflyer again.

Sorry :( I tried. You rock.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Hey Super Girl- Please don't feed my ego. It's a monster if it get's too much to eat.

Seriously, I couldn't agree with you more. I was very religious as a young teen. From age 11 to 14 I was going to be the next Billy Graham. I was a fine young Christian set out to show the world the Jesus that I knew and loved. I read and studied the Bible over and over. But my thirst to understand "it all" lead me to read everything I could get my hands on. Other religions, philosophies, history, political books right and left, even scifi (Ray Bradbury was my favorite). My spiritual quest lead me through all kinds of things. Did a lot of trippin' in the dessert if you know what I mean. I long ago realized that people can feel that spiritual connection, that brilliant oneness with their maker with or without all the trappings of religion. Having no faith at all or no feeling of spiritual oneness is far worse than those who have it through a religion, but being able to have it without religious dogma is so much better for the individual and for the world. The problem with religions is they define a god. My belief is best labled as Taoist. Toaist believe the "Tao" or ultimate truth is undefinable. "To know the Tao is to not know the Tao". It is a spritual philosphy. It is about balance and awareness without knowing (thinking you know). It is understanding through observation and experience of nature. It doesn't need to push itself on others, so you never have Taoist come knocking on your door. I honestly believe, the real Jesus was exposed to Taoism from traders of the far east. The roots of which are 600 years older than Christianity. "Do unto others as they would do unto you" is from Taoism.
The followers of Jesus turned him into a religion.
Jesus tried to tactfully steer his people away from the dogma of Judism, then he himself was turned into a religion full of dogma.
Fear of hell, promises of streets of gold? Only way to heaven through Jesus? I think the real Jesus would laugh at that. He'd have to have one hell of an ego if it were true!

So, are you calling the real Jesus a liar? That's not what He says in His word?

[Epiphany]

Heh, Billy Graham

[forest_pixie84]

To get to heaven: take the sidewalk then through the alley. But what ever you do, DON'T GO THROUGH THE PEARLY GATES! IT'S A TRAP!!!

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

the Way the Truth and the Life. Jesus Christ is the Life.

[Epiphany]

Only way to heaven through Jesus? I think the real Jesus would laugh at that. He'd have to have one hell of an ego if it were true!

Jesus stated quite specifically that he was the way, truth, and life. Heaven is the Lord's dwelling so how exactly does that make him egotistical?

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

He isn't. Thank you Epiphany for your continued support.

[Super_Grrl]

We're still talking about this? Wow... can you people just agree to disagree and be done with it?? OMG, people have different belief systems from you :eek:

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?


1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not richeous because we do bad things.

A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store is punishable by going to jail. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is eternal separation from God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. Just as if you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

4. WE MUST CONFESS JESUS CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOR WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}

(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church can't get you there, you can only get to heaven by turning to Jesus and asking Him to Save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Savior please pray this from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I realize that I cannot get to heaven any other way other than to trust YOU as my SAVIOR. I ask you to forgive me for my sins and take me to heaven when I die. I receive YOU as my Lord and SAVIOR. Thank You for Saving me in JESUS name amen"

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

[Becknudefck]

how many times have you posted this? damn, if only this "god" was real and that Jesus was a real person besides the mexican in my grade.

[gnrm23]

19 times (so far, eh?)
gosh, i hope that he saves some souls with this spam...

[AT98BooBoo]

Hey xfrodobagginsx. I have found that you just turn people off by preaching at 'em. If you want to turn people on the Jesus then tell 'em how your relationship with Him has improved your life and has helped you to be a better person.


Just like that 'ol song says. If you can not sing like angels, if you can not preach like Paul you can tell of the love of Jesus and say he died for all.

It seems that too many Christians fail to emphasize God as the God of Love.

Remember what Paul said in I Corinthians 13:1-7 and 13 "Though I speak all the languages of men and of angels but have not love, I am like a sounding brass or a clanging cymbol. And though I have the gift of prophecy adn understand all mysteries and all knowledge and though I have faith that could move mountains but I have not love I am nothing And though I give all my money to the poor and give my body to be burned but have not love, it does me no good. Love is patient and is kind: love does not envy love does not parade itself, is is not full of itself;does not behave rudely, does not seek its own way, is not easily provoked,thinks no evil; rejoices not in evil doing but rejoices in the truth; love bears all things, hopes all things and endures all things.

13 And now abide faith hope and love but the greatest of these three is love.

Yes Jesus is a real person and having him as a friend has made a huge difference in my life. I was a negative,bitter, selfish and hateful person before I became friends with God. He has helped me to be more a positive, kind giving and caring person. I'm certainly not perfect or better than anyone else its a work in progress.

" Behold I satand at the door and knock. If any one opens the door I will come in and be his friend and he shall be my friend."

[arlia]

so like ure critisising this person for repeating the same message but other people on here come up with the same topics every month or so!
garentie you there will always be a topic about how jesus is really a stoner,then questions about gays,and suicide and evolution.
thats just how the forum is!

[gnrm23]

he posted the xact same message ~ 19 times right here @ hipforums.com...
in most folks' book, that qualifies as "spam"...

(& it is quite possible that the post is simply cut&pasted from some Xtian website (like jack chick's little pamphelts/comix), rather that a personal witnessing about "what faith in christ jesus has done for me"...)




now is this person ever gonna come back & check on the status of the "god-flavored cyber-bait" ?
or is that it, just a hit-n-split?


~

"PRAISE HIM!
(or else!)"

[Epiphany]

If he was posting his own message that would be one thing. But that is just some tract he got off some website. Give me a break.
This is the Christianity forum. If you don't like it, then don't bother reading it.

[freakwentflyer]

Jesus stated quite specifically that he was the way, truth, and life. Heaven is the Lord's dwelling so how exactly does that make him egotistical? First, Jesus never wrote any of the books in the Bible. The books of the New Testiment were written at least 50 to 200 years or more after his death by people who never meet him in person, that is fairly well established. There is nothing to suggest that any of his 12 side kicks are the authors of any of those books or letters.
Second, just look at how we, modern man, in no time at all can turn someone who has died into so much more than they were in real life. Elvis and Ronald Reagan for example. Followers tend to focus on the messenger more than the message. And because people in general have a hard time understanding metaphores, the early leaders of the christian movement knew that to expand their ideas the masses would need a real person, a name to hang their hopes on. A saviour.

I beleive, Jesus said something like this,-
"There is a spirit, if you will, that connects us all to one another. A spirit of mankind. This spirit is inside each and everyone of us. And this spirit that connects us all makes us all brothers and sisters, the children, if you will, of our maker (God). You may not be aware of this spirit until you open your heart to it as I have. And when you do, you will see that this is a holy spirit. A spirit of love. When I open my heart to it, it says to me,-
'I (meaning the spirit) am the light, I am the truth and I am the way. Through me you are one with your maker and one with all things.'
If your heart is down, and your soul feels worn thin and lost, accepting this holy spirit into your heart is your path to salvation. Through the holy spirit I know that I am a son of God, and you are all God's children."

But, even today, modern man for the most part can't understand metaphores, or etherial concepts. They need things solid and black and white. They need a flesh and blood savior with a face and a name.
They need solid sink your teeth into religions, because spiritualism is "invisable" and requires too much blind faith. They need concrete answers, damn it! They can't trust they'll be ok when they die, they wanna know where they're gonna go and who's gonna be there.
They wanna know that those people who made fun of them or teased them or did them wrong are GONNA GET THEIR PUNISHMENT!
They wanna know God's on their side.


Just so you know, Humphry Bogart, in Casablanca, never said, "play it again, Sam." And their's no evidence of the whole George Washington throwing a coin across the Patomic River (or was it the Delaware River). Christopher Columbus wasn't the first European to discover the americas, Britney Spears can't sing without electronic assistance, and the only throne King Elvis sat on was the kind he died on.
It's the poem not the poet, the song not the singer, the actions not the statesmen, it's the message not the messenger.

[Psychadelic Dan]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?


1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not richeous because we do bad things.

A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store is punishable by going to jail. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is eternal separation from God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. Just as if you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

4. WE MUST CONFESS JESUS CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOR WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECIEVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}

(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church can't get you there, you can only get to heaven by turning to Jesus and asking Him to Save you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Savior please pray this from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I realize that I cannot get to heaven any other way other than to trust YOU as my SAVIOR. I ask you to forgive me for my sins and take me to heaven when I die. I receive YOU as my Lord and SAVIOR. Thank You for Saving me in JESUS name amen"

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.





If I may be so blunt, who gives a shit?

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

1 billion people care. That's how many Christians there are in the world.

[Epiphany]

Not trying to be rude. Just stating my opinion.

Slutter McGee
That is understandable, however, the point is that many people, who are fully aware that this is the Christianity forum, come in here merely for argumentative purposes which only shows signs of intolerance and immaturity. I am sorry if I have offended you with my initial post.

[arlia]

If he was posting his own message that would be one thing. But that is just some tract he got off some website. Give me a break.
but when other people do the same thing with scientific 'evidence' and theological stuff would you still complain at them?

[freakwentflyer]

Xfrodobagginsx-
Nothing to say about my posts? Believe me, I have no distain for you or other christians, as I was one once too. There are always two extremes to being off balance and I believe religious people, including christians, are the off balance opposite extreme of those who are off balance in the other direction, with no faith at all.
I do believe you feel the spirit in you, but I believe your faith would be stronger without religion.
Jesus was attempting to bring change to his people who held onto a extremely dogmatic religion, Judism. He was wise enough to not attempt to say Judism was bullshit filled with human manipulation. So, he attempted to bring forth a new covenent. A small step away from the dogma. A first step away from religion toward pure spiritualism. Obviously, they weren't ready, for they turned him into a dogmatic religion. When you're ready to make the next step, you will find your admiration for Jesus will actually increase. When you see him as just a man and not a God. It takes a far braver normal human man to stand up and speak out against the tide on his own, then for someone who has had angels come down and tell him he is chosen by God and is his only son and given magic powers to raise the dead and turn water into wine.
I know you won't admit it to me on this site. But, in time, you will think about what I've said and one day it will make sense to you. When you let go of the fear religion has gripped you with.

[Soulless||Chaos]

1 billion people care. That's how many Christians there are in the world.
If a billion people jumped off a cliff, would you follow suit? :rolleyes:

[Lodui]

1 billion people care. That's how many Christians there are in the world.
That means 5.2 billion people want you to leave 'em the hell alone.

[seamonster66]

I can guarantee that Jesus hates this type of mother fucker...the last thing he would want to get involved with is a rigid code

:D


;)

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

That means 5.2 billion people want you to leave 'em the hell alone.'

No it doesn't. It means that 5.2 million people don't have Jesus, so I have a lot of work to do. Most of them have never heard the gospel or they would convert. It's just the spoiled europeans and americans who reject and will suffer the greater damnation for hearing and rejecting. Still there are alot of people in both europe and america who have never heard and I am here for them.

[FreakyJoeMan]

'

It's just the spoiled europeans and americans who reject and will suffer the greater damnation for hearing and rejecting..
Hell, not jus hearing an rejectin, but hearin, rejectin an pointin an laughin at yer self-imposed ignorance.

[121]

The bible was written by 4 blokes in a time where they thought the world was flat! I'm sure it's a good read though.. If god is the creator of man then why did he make us with the ability to do evil? That's poor craftsmanship imo. Theres around 100 different gods that man has manifested over time. This leads to indifference and a conflict of beliefs. One day all nations might reach 'enlightenment' and worship common sense.

[Lodui]

'
. It's just the spoiled europeans and americans who reject and will suffer the greater damnation for hearing and rejecting.
Maybe god should have made his word more interesting. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Those are two entirely different things. I certainly do not mind when someone uses outside information to support an argument, either way, given that they credit the source of their information. I certainly have done no research in science, so I would have to use outside information. I would not expect different from Christians who were arguing a point.

However, this situation is different. Nothing in the original post was original, useful, or enlightening. The tract itself is at the reading and comprehension level of infants. If you want to use a passage from a CS Lewis book to get a point or argument across, then great, as long as you credit your source. Because unlike whoever wrote the above tract, CS Lewis uses intelligence in his attempt to expand God's kingdom.

Slutter McGee
The point of posting the tract is not to show intellectual power, but to simply give the gospel in it's simplest form. If you want more mental stimulation, I recommend that you read C.S. Lewis or Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer's Systematic Biblical Theology. If you really want to understand the bible, you need the Holy Spirit, which you cannot have unless you are a Christian in the first place.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

The bible was written by 4 blokes in a time where they thought the world was flat! I'm sure it's a good read though.. If god is the creator of man then why did he make us with the ability to do evil? That's poor craftsmanship imo. Theres around 100 different gods that man has manifested over time. This leads to indifference and a conflict of beliefs. One day all nations might reach 'enlightenment' and worship common sense.
You say that the bible teaches that the earth is flat?

The bible teaches that the earth is round:

Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: {It is...: or, Him that}

That it hangs in outer space:

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Your right! It WAS written when everyone else thought the world was flat, which proves that it was written by God.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

The bible was written by 4 blokes in a time where they thought the world was flat! I'm sure it's a good read though.. If god is the creator of man then why did he make us with the ability to do evil? That's poor craftsmanship imo. Theres around 100 different gods that man has manifested over time. This leads to indifference and a conflict of beliefs. One day all nations might reach 'enlightenment' and worship common sense.
You say that the bible teaches that the earth is flat?

The bible teaches that the earth is round:

Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: {It is...: or, Him that}

That it hangs in outer space:

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Your right! It WAS written when everyone else thought the world was flat, which proves that it was written by God. This was written around 3,000 years ago! I don't think anyone went to outerspace at that time nor did they know that the world was round.

[Peanuts]

This is how I feel.

I'm 97% percent sure I'm going to Heaven.

These are why I think that way:

I try to be an Honest person.

I try to be trust worthy.

I have confessed most of my sins (maybe not all but most) in one way or another.

I have tried to ask forgiveness to those I have wronged.

I feel I am a good person. I am fair to others. I have tried to help others.

I am not perfect. My life is my journey. I am learning.

I believe Jesus died for my sins.

Whether someone has done the things I have or not it is not for me to judge.

Opinions are our own. :)

[darrellkitchen]

Geckopelli ???

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

This is how I feel.

I'm 97% percent sure I'm going to Heaven.

These are why I think that way:

I try to be an Honest person.

I try to be trust worthy.

I have confessed most of my sins (maybe not all but most) in one way or another.

I have tried to ask forgiveness to those I have wronged.

I feel I am a good person. I am fair to others. I have tried to help others.

I am not perfect. My life is my journey. I am learning.

I believe Jesus died for my sins.

Whether someone has done the things I have or not it is not for me to judge.

Opinions are our own. :)

Those are good things to do. The problem is that God, the one who will judge weather we will go to heaven or not, said that we have to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross to get us to heaven. If your putting your trust in anything else, the bible says that you won't get there. Stop relying on yourself and rely on Jesus to save you. Pray that prayer at the end of this post and receive Him as your Savior.

[Peanuts]

Those are good things to do. The problem is that God, the one who will judge weather we will go to heaven or not, said that we have to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross to get us to heaven. If your putting your trust in anything else, the bible says that you won't get there. Stop relying on yourself and rely on Jesus to save you. Pray that prayer at the end of this post and receive Him as your Savior.

I already did receive Him as my Savior. My trust is right where it is supposed to be. :)

[121]

Your right! It WAS written when everyone else thought the world was flat, which proves that it was written by God. This was written around 3,000 years ago! I don't think anyone went to outerspace at that time nor did they know that the world was round.
Mr Frodo,

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John might have been on magic mushrooms when they wrote the bible, which is the equivalent of going to outerspace 3,000 years ago.:)
There were more advanced civilisations in existence around and before that period like the Chinese and the ancient Egyptians (I saw it on the Discovery Channel :D ). They all worshipped different gods. Are you saying that your god is real and the other hundred or so gods created by others are fake? What about Hinduism, Buddhism, Moslem and Rastafarism to name a few? If the world blew up today will only the Christians go to heaven?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/sean11/popemast.jpg

[Mr MiGu]

you make it sound as if mathew, mark, luke and john were the only people to write gospels.


and i find it funny how some of you are calling your beleifs "sprituality", and not a religion. Tis Just like what Ive heard from many christians: "I dont beleive in religion, I beleive in the truth".

[seamonster66]

I find it funny that someone named XFRODOBAGGINSX is giving religious advice....a hardcore hobbit.


and that people think jesus died for their sins is also quite funny, but thats another thread....

i once asked a christian what you had to do to to get to heaven prior to Jesus, the answer they gave was to sacrifice another person...

[Peanuts]

I find it funny that someone named XFRODOBAGGINSX is giving religious advice....a hardcore hobbit.


and that people think jesus died for their sins is also quite funny, but thats another thread....

i once asked a christian what you had to do to to get to heaven prior to Jesus, the answer they gave was to sacrifice another person...

I'm a funny gal. :p

[Mr MiGu]

ya, i hate it when people say "jesus died for your sins".

QUIT TRYING TO PIN HIS DEATH ON ME!!!!!!!

Everyone knows that was Mel Gibsons fault anyway

[Syntax]

I'm going to the first layer of hell because I don't believe in Jesus being the son of God. But it's ok, though, because it'll be a lot more fun down there. There are no fun people in heaven, only Christians. Hell's where the party's at.

[seamonster66]

poor 150,000 other people dying on the cross for no ones sins...they must have felt useless...

I blame 1/2 of myself for killing Jesus, because I'm half jewish of course (the good half)

and half of me would do it again too :P

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

My grandma is Jewish and my Grandpa may have been but, every man born crucified Jesus, because He died for their sins. Jesus Christ and His disciples were Jewish also.

It doesn't matter if your Jewish or not, if you are in Christ you are all the same:

Ga 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

The trail of blood is also a good booklet to read about Christian persecution.

[121]

This is what I don't get. Maybe you can clear this up for me because I'm confused. You talk about Jesus dying for our sins.

Many brave fire fighters, police officers, soldiers and various other service men and civilians have died because of the sins and irresponsibile actions of anothers.

Is Jesus more important than those men and women? Please answer without quoting the good book, thats a cop out imo. :)

[samueljones]

http://www.dayofjudgment.com

http://www.endoftimes.net

[mystical_shroom]

http://pop.pcpop.com/upimg/10668729332003723169694879.jpg..................

[121]

:confused:

[seamonster66]

is that Kirk Cameron?

I heard he bleeds god's blood now.

[NaykidApe]

There are people all over the world dieing for our sins right now.

I say we all get together in 2000 years and start a thread about them.

[seamonster66]

thats true...relates to the meek inheriting the earth I guess

but didn't you mean dying FROM our sins?

[NaykidApe]

No I actually mean't dieing--there are countless hordes of disgruntaled t-shirt makers all over the world right now makeing tyedyes for our sins.

I don't see how it's going to help but I want one.

[seamonster66]

isn't making a tie-die in 2005 a sin in itself?

[NaykidApe]

isn't making a tie-die in 2005 a sin in itself?

See? It all evens out.

[Varuna]

Love God, Love your neighbor, Love your enemies.

[mystical_shroom]

is that Kirk Cameron?

I heard he bleeds god's blood now.

yeah, i see him on tv harrassing people about god and such..
What ever happened to good ol Mike Seaver :D

[interval_illusion]

First, Jesus never wrote any of the books in the Bible. The books of the New Testiment were written at least 50 to 200 years or more after his death by people who never meet him in person, that is fairly well established. There is nothing to suggest that any of his 12 side kicks are the authors of any of those books or letters.
Second, just look at how we, modern man, in no time at all can turn someone who has died into so much more than they were in real life. Elvis and Ronald Reagan for example. Followers tend to focus on the messenger more than the message. And because people in general have a hard time understanding metaphores, the early leaders of the christian movement knew that to expand their ideas the masses would need a real person, a name to hang their hopes on. A saviour.

I beleive, Jesus said something like this,-
"There is a spirit, if you will, that connects us all to one another. A spirit of mankind. This spirit is inside each and everyone of us. And this spirit that connects us all makes us all brothers and sisters, the children, if you will, of our maker (God). You may not be aware of this spirit until you open your heart to it as I have. And when you do, you will see that this is a holy spirit. A spirit of love. When I open my heart to it, it says to me,-
'I (meaning the spirit) am the light, I am the truth and I am the way. Through me you are one with your maker and one with all things.'
If your heart is down, and your soul feels worn thin and lost, accepting this holy spirit into your heart is your path to salvation. Through the holy spirit I know that I am a son of God, and you are all God's children."

But, even today, modern man for the most part can't understand metaphores, or etherial concepts. They need things solid and black and white. They need a flesh and blood savior with a face and a name.
They need solid sink your teeth into religions, because spiritualism is "invisable" and requires too much blind faith. They need concrete answers, damn it! They can't trust they'll be ok when they die, they wanna know where they're gonna go and who's gonna be there.
They wanna know that those people who made fun of them or teased them or did them wrong are GONNA GET THEIR PUNISHMENT!
They wanna know God's on their side.


Just so you know, Humphry Bogart, in Casablanca, never said, "play it again, Sam." And their's no evidence of the whole George Washington throwing a coin across the Patomic River (or was it the Delaware River). Christopher Columbus wasn't the first European to discover the americas, Britney Spears can't sing without electronic assistance, and the only throne King Elvis sat on was the kind he died on.
It's the poem not the poet, the song not the singer, the actions not the statesmen, it's the message not the messenger.


that was beautiful and i truly feel everything you said.

[interval_illusion]

Xfrodobagginsx-
Nothing to say about my posts? Believe me, I have no distain for you or other christians, as I was one once too. There are always two extremes to being off balance and I believe religious people, including christians, are the off balance opposite extreme of those who are off balance in the other direction, with no faith at all.
I do believe you feel the spirit in you, but I believe your faith would be stronger without religion.
Jesus was attempting to bring change to his people who held onto a extremely dogmatic religion, Judism. He was wise enough to not attempt to say Judism was bullshit filled with human manipulation. So, he attempted to bring forth a new covenent. A small step away from the dogma. A first step away from religion toward pure spiritualism. Obviously, they weren't ready, for they turned him into a dogmatic religion. When you're ready to make the next step, you will find your admiration for Jesus will actually increase. When you see him as just a man and not a God. It takes a far braver normal human man to stand up and speak out against the tide on his own, then for someone who has had angels come down and tell him he is chosen by God and is his only son and given magic powers to raise the dead and turn water into wine.
I know you won't admit it to me on this site. But, in time, you will think about what I've said and one day it will make sense to you. When you let go of the fear religion has gripped you with.


but jesus was god... as there is god in everything.. get it? jesus DID speak in metaphors.

[MrRee]

All that crap in the first post
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
sex sex sex and don't forget the violence
blah blah blah with your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
put your stupid slogan here........
Everybody sing along!

[USNavyDeadHead]

Well once you die walk down to 23rd street and take the bus to 2nd avenue. Get out at the North Street station, walk four blocks and hang a left. If you see the Starbucks youve gone too far.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

This is what I don't get. Maybe you can clear this up for me because I'm confused. You talk about Jesus dying for our sins.

Many brave fire fighters, police officers, soldiers and various other service men and civilians have died because of the sins and irresponsibile actions of anothers.

Is Jesus more important than those men and women? Please answer without quoting the good book, thats a cop out imo. :)
Yes many honorable fire fighters, police officers, soldiers and various other service men and civilians have died because of the sins and irresponsibile actions of others. The difference is that first of all they died to protect the people. They did not die for their sins as Jesus did. They could not have died for theirs sins because they were sinners themselves. Only a perfect person could come and die for another's sins. That's why only Jesus could have done it, because He lived a perfect life and died in our place, if we will receive what He did on the cross.

[MrRee]

Let's get this straight. No one ever died for anyone else's sins. But a bunch of people believe that someone did because a couple of hundred years (minimum 8 generations!) later someone decided that's what they wanted to believe and wrote it down, despite the 1st person in question never stating it at all.
If you want to believe the bible, get a "red letter" bible where the words of "christ" are written in red ink. Read the words written in red ink, discard the rest ~ because no one knows where in the world they come from, who in the world wrote them, or when they might have been written. Faith is one thing. Belief is another. Sensibility is something else again.
The red words won't lead you astray into the mire of deception that is the church.

[Mr MiGu]

...

i think thats the first semi intelligent thing youve said yet

[freakwentflyer]

but jesus was god... as there is god in everything.. get it? jesus DID speak in metaphors. Yes, I get it. I do believe the real Jesus was very much in tune with our maker, and spoke (in metaphor) from a higher place. I personally avoid the use of the name God, as much as possible. As I said I am a Taoist, and for me the name God, is intended to discribe the God of the Judism, and it's two off shoots, Christianity and Islam. It's a defined by man maker. The God that told Joshua that it's ok to slaughter thousands of women and children and take their land and homes from them. (Read the book of Joshua with an open mind and think about why the Palistinians hate them.- and no I'm not anti-semetic, just anti religious self righteousness)

As a taoist, I don't believe in a human definition of (the tao) the maker of all things, the ultimate truth, the perfection. God, is a definition by man to control other people.
For example, the jews must have had people dieing from eating bad, or undercooked pork, so the next thing you know, GOD said don't eat pork.
Any problems that would arise in society, like say, too many children being born out of wed lock and not having a father around to raise them and keep them out of trouble, they'd just say, "God, said it's a sin to be born out of wedlock". In many ways I can understand that. The people in most cases were too ignorant or uneducated to understand the situation and deal with it intelligently so why not just scare them into a harmonious behavior. But the problem is, that type of society never really matures into one that can sovle it's problems through reason and self discipline. And those at the top who control the religion may turn their God into an evil puppet. They can start wars by putting words into their "Gods" mouth.
History is full of man using "GOD" as an excuse for killing and stealing land, and looking down on others.
So, "one nation UNDER GOD", I don't think so. You know that line was added to the pledge of allegence at the hieght of the cold war with the Soviet union because the Soviets were anti-religion. (Not that I would defend the soviets for supressing religious freedom. As much as I believe in freedom FROM religion, I believe in freedom of belief and thought too)
That line, makes America a nation for those of Judean base religions only.
It covers, Jews, Muslims and Christians, but what about the rest of us Americans? What if the Christians were to narrow the definition down one more step and say, "one nation under Jesus", how would the Jews and Muslims feel about that. Those who think the name God, is universal to cover all religions knows nothing about Taoism, Budism or the Hindu religions.

[freakwentflyer]

PS Mr xfrodobagginsx-
Are we going to have an intelligent debate or not. You just seem to wanna resond to the easy shots. You wanna get deep on this subject or are you just gonna keep pulling your sting and repeating what you've been taught.
That sounded mean, sorry, just wanna see if you are listening.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

PS Mr xfrodobagginsx-
Are we going to have an intelligent debate or not. You just seem to wanna resond to the easy shots. You wanna get deep on this subject or are you just gonna keep pulling your sting and repeating what you've been taught.
That sounded mean, sorry, just wanna see if you are listening.I am listening but is there a debate going on here? What do you want to debate? I believe the bible is God's word. Do you? If so then you had better listen to what it says. If not, why not.

If you would like my personal experience with God please read my thread "'What Jesus did for me". Here are just a small fraction of the reasons that I believe that the bible is God's word these are just basic reasons. This does not include the tons prophecies that have come true, the way it fits together as one book, my personal experiences with God, it's historical and scientific accuracy:

The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life.

Think about it. Could Sam write a book in California, and Bill write a book in Canada, and Ralf write a book in Mexico and it fit together as one book? The bible did this 40 times, 66 books! It's God's word.

[know1nozme]

Wow, who'd have thought that such a conversation would take place outside the religion forums. Don't get me wrong, it's as much a random thoughts topic as every other random thoughts topic, it just suprises me. What suprises me more is the reletively benign way that it is being discussed. In the religion forums, people with so many differing viewpoints would be tearing each other apart (well, sometimes its fun). BRAVO!

I am not christian, I'm very spiritual though