who is god

[sky_lex]

think im crazy or not just read

i dont think there is any reason we are here no reason for life death pain hate love joy and god but we choice it
we have decided there is a god someone to jugde us to ethier cast us to a 'hevan' or 'hell' after we die if we didnt we wouldnt live in fear
if we didnt fear it would be chaos now dont think this idea says this god should be done and thrown out just that there is not one right or wrong its in our head just anouther idea people want to belive

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

The Supreme Lord, O Sri Krsna.

Just try to love God, and you'll find the perfection of life.

[darrellkitchen]

Who is God ???

Take a look in a mirror, and you will see God staring back at you !!!

[TrippinBTM]

Who is God ???

Take a look in a mirror, and you will see God staring back at you !!!
Damn...god is one hell of a good looking dude!

[BlackBillBlake]

Who is God ???

Take a look in a mirror, and you will see God staring back at you !!!
"In a room of mirrors
you can see for miles
but everything that's there
is in disguise"

George Harrison.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

If I am God, as so many unintelligent people seem to foolishly insist on, then why am I covered in illusion? If I am God, then god is neither all knowing, nor all perfect, and thus, anyone who thinks "I am God" is fool number one, and also not a sane man.

[BlackBillBlake]

If I am God, as so many unintelligent people seem to foolishly insist on, then why am I covered in illusion? If I am God, then god is neither all knowing, nor all perfect, and thus, anyone who thinks "I am God" is fool number one, and also not a sane man.
Was Jesus sane? Was Krishna?

[Sera Michele]

If I am God, as so many unintelligent people seem to foolishly insist on, then why am I covered in illusion? If I am God, then god is neither all knowing, nor all perfect, and thus, anyone who thinks "I am God" is fool number one, and also not a sane man."God" doesn't have to be exactly as you define it. "God" to Darrell may have a completely different definition than the sterotypical god you are talking about.

To me "god" is the earth and heavens. It is the nature and power that controls us and reminds us that there is bigger things than ourselves out there. "God" is a tidal wave crashing down on millions, or a flawless sunny day. It is the light of stars millions of light years away, and the light of the sun that is the perfect distance from us for life.

I don't believe in any "being" that is god.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

Was Jesus sane? Was Krishna?
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Good point.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

"God" doesn't have to be exactly as you define it. "God" to Darrell may have a completely different definition than the sterotypical god you are talking about.

To me "god" is the earth and heavens. It is the nature and power that controls us and reminds us that there is bigger things than ourselves out there. "God" is a tidal wave crashing down on millions, or a flawless sunny day. It is the light of stars millions of light years away, and the light of the sun that is the perfect distance from us for life.

I don't believe in any "being" that is god.
To say that God is formless is to call everything God. I know I am not God, because I am still covered by the material illusion. So, if I am god, then God is niether all perfect nor all knowing. A man who thinks "I am God" spits directly in God's face. Just because we all have our own speculations does not make them correct. One can only know God through surrender.

[Sebbi]

Mitch Mitchell

[darrellkitchen]

...I know I am not God, because I am still covered by the material illusion. Then ... perhaps ... that is all you will ever see !!!

Just because we all have our own speculations does not make them correct.
One can only know God through surrender.Just because we all have our own speculations does not make them correct.

Darrell

[Kharakov]

One can only know God through surrender.
Tell me what you imagine surrendering to.
Are you sure you are not surrendering to your own imagination?
Would not acceptance do?
Would not active participation in the building of your imagination do?

There are tons of building blocks and architextural diagrams for your imagination. Apprentice, become a wise builder with knowledge and love for your craft and the one's that teach you so that someday you may teach another and be as deserving of love and praise as they are.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

From the likes of the last two posts, I take it you both believe in impersonalism, 'God is formless', etc. You must hear from authorized scriptures such as the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Srimad Bhagavatam. You cannot understand God through your pride, your false ego, so it would be best to simply surrender those things now.

[TrippinBTM]

To say that God is formless is to call everything God. I know I am not God, because I am still covered by the material illusion. So, if I am god, then God is niether all perfect nor all knowing. A man who thinks "I am God" spits directly in God's face. Just because we all have our own speculations does not make them correct. One can only know God through surrender.
Maybe you say you are not god because you are covered by the material illusion.

[darrellkitchen]

You must hear from authorized scriptures such as the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Srimad Bhagavatam. I don't read such things, nor do I believe in them.

You cannot understand God through your pride, your false ego, so it would be best to simply surrender those things now.Then why not simply let go?

Instead of hanging onto (craving/clinging) this pride, this false ego, just let go. That way there will be nothing to surrender.

Then ... perhaps ... when you look in a mirror, you will finally see God !!!

With loving-kindness and compassion,

Darrell

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

No, that was my whole point. Once we let go of our false ego (our identification with our body, religion, nationality, etc), then there is nothing standing in the way of self realization. This absurd idea though, that we are all God, and that we merely incarnated ourselves into this material world to enjoy, is insane. This world is quite obviously not a happy place, having to suffer the pains of birth, old age, disease, and death. No sane man can find contentment in this material world.

[TheMistress]

"who is god?"

thats easy....ME!

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

Well, if you are "god", I must say, God is attractive, being a human being and all. But, wouldn't that make you a Goddess?

There are so many wise people on these forums, and yet they are still snagged by maya's last clutch, thinking "I am God". The first trap of maya is to think "I am this body", the last trap is to think "I am God". I only wish for you all to evolve beyond this type of thinking, so that you can become truly powerful warriors of light.

[TrippinBTM]

There are so many wise people on these forums, and yet they are still snagged by maya's last clutch, thinking "I am God". The first trap of maya is to think "I am this body", the last trap is to think "I am God". I only wish for you all to evolve beyond this type of thinking, so that you can become truly powerful warriors of light.
To think oneself is god, THE god, lord over the rest, is indeed insane, and is the extreme of egoism. I don't think anyone is saying you should realize your EGO is god.

The point is, this whole place, and everything in it, is god, including you and the chair your sitting on. So yes, I am god. But so is that rock on my windowsill. That's not an ego trap, that's an ego release.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

To see that everything is a manifestation of the Supreme Lord, yes, that is indeed clarity of perception. See, I cannot be God, because why would God incarnate into this world to experience suffering? Right now, I have been eating soup the past 3 days, and am experiencing great diarrehia. If I was God, I would have been wiser than to have done something like that.

[interval_illusion]

i could be wrong but i think the original person that said something like "if you wanna see god, look in the mirror"... meant that god is everywhere and really we are one. we are all a part of "god" and god is everything.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

God is not formless. To think that, is to call ourselves God. God is obviously neither all knowing nor perfect, if he has to take on a material body, and experience suffering. How can 'God' fall under the material illusion? You spit in God's face by calling people with mortal bodies 'God'.

[darrellkitchen]

No, that was my whole point. Once we let go of our false ego (our identification with our body, religion, nationality, etc), then there is nothing standing in the way of self realization. This absurd idea though, that we are all God, and that we merely incarnated ourselves into this material world to enjoy, is insane. This world is quite obviously not a happy place, having to suffer the pains of birth, old age, disease, and death. No sane man can find contentment in this material world.___________________________

e·go
n. pl. e·gos

The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.
.
An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.

___________________________


Once we let go of our false ego (our identification with our body, religion, nationality, etc), then there is nothing standing in the way of self realization.Once we let go of our false ego (our identification with our body, religion, nationality, etc), then there is nothing standing in the way of self realization.Once we let go of our false ego (our identification with our body, religion, nationality, etc), then there is nothing standing in the way of self realization.There's just something not quite right with that statement ...

Let go of false ego ... nothing standing in the way of self realization !!!
Let go of ego ... Realize the self
Let go of ego ... Realize the self

???

Is it possible to realize the self while letting go of it? Can one let go of the self and then realize the self after letting go of it?

A conundrum? Circular reasoning? A paradox?

Once we stop clinging to the notion of a self, there is nothing left but God !!! (this coming from someone who does not believe in God)

You can hate this notion all you want, hide from it, evade it ... but you can't hide from who you really are, even if you choose to ignore the truth. Isn't that the basis of ignorance ... to Ignore?

With loving-kindness and compassion,

Darrell

[darrellkitchen]

God is not formless. To think that, is to call ourselves God. God is obviously neither all knowing nor perfect, if he has to take on a material body, and experience suffering. How can 'God' fall under the material illusion? You spit in God's face by calling people with mortal bodies 'God'.Who is saying God is formless?

Isn't a material body form?

Is the Universe formless?

Are galaxies formless?

Are solar systems formless?

Are stars and planets formless?

Are life forms formless?

Are rocks and plants formless?

Are molecules formless?

Are atoms formless?

Are quarks and leptons formless?

If God is in all things and God is all things, does that make God formless?

I've heard of a Gospel called the Gospel of Thomas where he says "Jesus said: “Split a piece of wood, I am there. Lift a stone, you will find me there.”"

How about Luke 17:20 & 21 ? "Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you.”"

With loving-kindness and compassion,

Darrell

PS: Ultimately the all is formless ...

[TrippinBTM]

To see that everything is a manifestation of the Supreme Lord, yes, that is indeed clarity of perception. See, I cannot be God, because why would God incarnate into this world to experience suffering? Right now, I have been eating soup the past 3 days, and am experiencing great diarrehia. If I was God, I would have been wiser than to have done something like that.
You make a judgment about god, based on your own ideas about him.

The way I see it, there is no other way to know what pain is like but to feel it, no way to know what the color red looks like but to see it, no way to know what a symphony sounds like but to hear it. BEING the universe is God's way of knowing it. He manifests himself as the world so that he may know the world, both as experiencer and the experienced.

Darrel: your last two posts were very good, I agree.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

___________________________

e·go
n. pl. e·gos


The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.
.
An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.

___________________________


There's just something not quite right with that statement ...

Let go of false ego ... nothing standing in the way of self realization !!!
Let go of ego ... Realize the self
Let go of ego ... Realize the self

???

Is it possible to realize the self while letting go of it? Can one let go of the self and then realize the self after letting go of it?

A conundrum? Circular reasoning? A paradox?

Once we stop clinging to the notion of a self, there is nothing left but God !!! (this coming from someone who does not believe in God)

You can hate this notion all you want, hide from it, evade it ... but you can't hide from who you really are, even if you choose to ignore the truth. Isn't that the basis of ignorance ... to Ignore?

With loving-kindness and compassion,

Darrell
What is the self? An eternal soul within a material body. I'm not sure what you mean by 'self' realization, but what I meant by false ego is our attachment to our identities. Now, that doesn't mean to destroy the ego, there is also the true ego, that knows its position.

It seems that a lot of people place a lot of importance on realization of the self, in terms of personality and who we are, but if that is self realization, what is the point? The realization will end when this body dies, so what I mean by self realization is to know your true position, an eternal soul within a material body.

[WakeUpAmericaNow]

You make a judgment about god, based on your own ideas about him.

The way I see it, there is no other way to know what pain is like but to feel it, no way to know what the color red looks like but to see it, no way to know what a symphony sounds like but to hear it. BEING the universe is God's way of knowing it. He manifests himself as the world so that he may know the world, both as experiencer and the experienced.

Darrel: your last two posts were very good, I agree.
That is the insane notion of "We are all God". So 'God' has to meditate to realize he is God again? That's insane. The fundamental ideas of God being all knowing is then ultimately false, if God becomes covered by illusion. This is an impersonalist idea, to think that God has no form. Even the christians would agree with that much, that God is a personality, although they don't seem to have a clue as to the nature and form of that Personality.

[BlackBillBlake]

WakeUpAmericaNow:God is not formless. To think that, is to call ourselves God.

How do you know this? Have you seen God? Or just read it somewhere?

Also the logical sequence from a) God is formless, to b) therefore I am God is by no means very clear to me. I would have thought that if I believe God to be formless, yet clearly I have a form, it is not an obvious step to think that I must be God.


God is obviously neither all knowing nor perfect, if he has to take on a material body, and experience suffering.

Try telling that to Christians!

How can 'God' fall under the material illusion? You spit in God's face by calling people with mortal bodies 'God'.
Gosh, thats rude!!
But really just emotive rhetoric.

Aham Brahmasi.

[TrippinBTM]

That is the insane notion of "We are all God". So 'God' has to meditate to realize he is God again? That's insane. The fundamental ideas of God being all knowing is then ultimately false, if God becomes covered by illusion. This is an impersonalist idea, to think that God has no form. Even the christians would agree with that much, that God is a personality, although they don't seem to have a clue as to the nature and form of that Personality.
So maybe those ideas are false.

Either way, I'm going to step out of this argument. You are a dualist, I'm a nondualist; that's a pretty fundamental difference. And your insults are not making me want to continue this discourse.

[ryupower]

Please try using punctuation....:/

[Kharakov]

What if you said that God is not limited by form?
Would that be a more semantically correct way of describing God?

[sky_lex]

WHAT IS TRUTH
IS MINE THE SAME AS YOURS
IS YOURS RIGHT
AM I WRONG IN NOT BELIVEING YOURS
IS WHAT WHAT I BELIVE BECOME MY TRUTH
MUST I THINK AND BELIVE THERE IS AN ALMIGHTY OVER ME
IS THE AIR THE EARTH AND I GOD
IS GOD FROMLESS AND MY MIND AND BODY AS WELL AS YOURS AND ANY OBJECT?

its all the same answer
it is that only what i belive is my truth becomes my truth as well the same for you

think about it

[Kharakov]

its all the same answer
it is that only what i belive is my truth becomes my truth as well the same for youThere is more to truth than belief.

As a child, you did not have the foundation for more complex ideas that you do today. So, as a child, the truth that you were able to comprehend was incomplete. Not to say that it wasn't true in some way, but the fact is you lacked information to accurately defend your knowledge as the total truth. To see the truth you must acknowledge that you lack knowledge to accurately judge the total truth- you must instead have faith that the enough of the total truth will be revealed to you in time.

[BlackGuardXIII]

WHAT IS TRUTH
IS MINE THE SAME AS YOURS
IS YOURS RIGHT
AM I WRONG IN NOT BELIVEING YOURS
IS WHAT WHAT I BELIVE BECOME MY TRUTH
MUST I THINK AND BELIVE THERE IS AN ALMIGHTY OVER ME
IS THE AIR THE EARTH AND I GOD
IS GOD FROMLESS AND MY MIND AND BODY AS WELL AS YOURS AND ANY OBJECT?

its all the same answer
it is that only what i belive is my truth becomes my truth as well the same for you

think about it
sky lex

There is more to truth than belief.

As a child, you did not have the foundation for more complex ideas that you do today. So, as a child, the truth that you were able to comprehend was incomplete. Not to say that it wasn't true in some way, but the fact is you lacked information to accurately defend your knowledge as the total truth. To see the truth you must acknowledge that you lack knowledge to accurately judge the total truth- you must instead have faith that the enough of the total truth will be revealed to you in time.

I'm with lex

[Kharakov]

I'm with lex
Which is good. Everyone's where they gotta be.

[BlackGuardXIII]

Which is good. Everyone's where they gotta be.
Well, on that point........I'm with you.
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[cabdirazzaq]

whats up with all this picture changing, use the one with ice mountain or the cute baby instead.

[Peace]

think im crazy or not just read

i dont think there is any reason we are here no reason for life death pain hate love joy and god but we choice it
we have decided there is a god someone to jugde us to ethier cast us to a 'hevan' or 'hell' after we die if we didnt we wouldnt live in fear
if we didnt fear it would be chaos now dont think this idea says this god should be done and thrown out just that there is not one right or wrong its in our head just anouther idea people want to belive
Leave it to humans to demand an answer for our existense. We are here because of atoms combining together to form life. Nothing more nothing less.

[Kharakov]

Well, on that point........I'm with you. Me too.

[Kharakov]

Leave it to humans to demand an answer for our existense. We are here because of atoms combining together to form life. Nothing more nothing less.
You will think differently later in life.

[Peace]

Who's to say I think at all? You assume you answer is right but in all fairness everything is subjective. So even if you believe in the same idea as another, your ides will still be different. I've spent weeks thinking about this without sleeping. As to your statement, I doubt I will.

[Kharakov]

Who's to say I think at all? You assume you answer is right but in all fairness everything is subjective. So even if you believe in the same idea as another, your ides will still be different. I've spent weeks thinking about this without sleeping. As to your statement, I doubt I will.
Technically, you are right. You will still think in the same way, but your thoughts will be less fragmented because more will be added to you.

[Mui]

There is no god... God is just a word, and look at how many of you have different definitions of it...tsk tsk

[sky_lex]

yea gods just a word but thats it everythings just a word
and every word has a differnt meanings to all

[Kharakov]

There is no god... God is just a word, and look at how many of you have different definitions of it...tsk tsk
Yellow is just a word. Color blind is just a fragment. The truth is just a sentence. Justice is not blind if you cannot see God's hand in everything.

[darrellkitchen]

Yellow is just a word. Color blind is just a fragment. The truth is just a sentence. Justice is not blind if you cannot see God's hand in everything.
Yellow
Color blind
The truth
Agreed that "Yellow" is just a word. "Color blind" is a fragment of what? If "Color blind" which is only two words is a fragment of something, then isn't also "The truth" which is also two words a fragment of something? By that same token, if "The truth", which is two words, is just a sentence then shouldn't "Color blind", which is two words, also not be "just a sentence"?

I'm a bit confused on the statement "Justice is not blind if you cannot see..." Perhaps I'm just missing something here? Did you mean "Justice is not blind if you can see God's hand in everything." ???

Darrell

[Kharakov]

"Color blind" is a fragment of what?Sentence fragment, and fragment of the truth.

If "Color blind" which is only two words is a fragment of something, then isn't also "The truth" which is also two words a fragment of something?Yes, if you don't look at the whole truth.

By that same token, if "The truth", which is two words, is just a sentence then shouldn't "Color blind", which is two words, also not be "just a sentence"?'The truth is just a sentence' is a play on words, for justice is a sentence that the truth imposes.

I'm a bit confused on the statement "Justice is not blind if you cannot see..." Perhaps I'm just missing something here?Whether or not you percieve justice, it exists.

Did you mean "Justice is not blind if you can see God's hand in everything." ???That is true as well.

[BlackGuardXIII]

whats up with all this picture changing, use the one with ice mountain or the cute baby instead.
Well cabdirazzaq, if you were to ask nicely, I would definitely consider it. I don't respond as well to demands as I do to polite requests.....

For now, I will change it to this pic of me on top of Mt. Baker, which is 10 800 feet high. It was taken around 3:30 PM, 19/9/1999.

[darrellkitchen]

Sorry folks. But, some of you may have noticed by now that your posts in this thread have been deleted.

Why?

Off Topic.

I invite you to read the Forum Guidelines again, paying special attention to Item 6, Off Topic Postings. You can find them here: http://www.hipforums.com/forumguidelines.htm (http://www.hipforums.com/forumguidelines.htm) ... or reposted below for your convenience.

I realize that some of you were just replying to an off-topic remark.

Again, I apologize, but keep it on topic or it gets deleted ... like this message will be in a couple of days.

Darrell

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[BlackBillBlake]

What if you said that God is not limited by form?
Would that be a more semantically correct way of describing God?
It might be simpler to say that God has no limitations. That is, if one defines God as infinite.