Good Leaves-Bad Leaves

[b1v2w3]

I saw what I am showing here to a similar degree last year, toward the end of my outdoor grow: older and bigger fan leaves beginning to discolor, then wither altogether and then fall off.
These pics are of my Sugar Shack, almost 5 wks into flowering. Pic 1 healthy cola, nice, deep green leaves all around the flowering structures. Pic 2 the same but a bigger,lower leave shows yellowing. Pic 3 gives that same yellowing but over the entire leaf of one of the bigger fan leaves and pic 4 shows the entire plant with the entire lower structure yellowing going on.
To be shure as to conditions: nutrient is foxfarms tiger bloom and following label directions. Watering is maybe a little sparse but never to the point of visible effects on the leaves, such as leave curl. Heat and distance from lights well regulated. And again, seeing the same thing indoors as I saw outdoors leads me to ask: is this a natural phenom where the plant is shedding leave it used for building size and structure and concentrating on the flower structure only? Will be very interested in getting comments from you experienced/expert growers out there. b1

[meangreen]

Most strains will begin losing leaves to a degree in the latter part of flower,beginning with the lower leaves first.The reason for this is that N,P,K,Mg,Mo,and Zn are whats considered mobile elements;meaning they are the nutrients that if plant is deficient it will borrow from another part of the plant to get it as to keep the new growth happy and this is borrowed from the older/lower leaves(reason for your dis-colored leaves that started at the bottom of your plant).You need to check your soil ph as to hi/lo can lock out nutes causing this prematurily.

[b1v2w3]

thanks MG, beginning to make sense now that I reflect on how i've run this grow. i see more problems from overwatering then from underwatering, consequently i underwater and, as human nature goes, make it a veritable desert for them at times. And, as I water primarily from the bottom and not been adding much fert at all during the first 2/3 of the total growth, have been depriving nutients by that FAULTY mechanism. The ph was right on 7 about 3 days ago. Is that considered 'optimal'? Appreciate the support. b1

[meangreen]

Ph should be maintained between 6.2-6.8.A Ph of 7 could cause deficiencies.Here is a good link to allow ya to get a better understanding of diagnosing nutrient toxicity/deficiency.
http://landresources.montana.edu/NutrientManagement/Modules/Module9.pdf

[tiedye0420]

B1 your problem is obvious, might be late to correct damage but new growth should flourish. here's the rap

tigerbloom is an additive enhancer for budding it is not intended for a complete blooming formula- it is additive trace elements but not enough N/P/K to set your buds.
get the foxfarm bigbloom formula and growbig.
and the soil feeding schedule from foxfarm.
FOR EXAMPLE
first week seedlings get bigbloom
second week seedlings get bigbloom and growbig
third week growbig and tigerbloom, ect.

most of the veg weeks combine growbig and tigerbloom
bigbloom and tigerbloom during bud stage.

i tried the same thing last year- just tigerbloom- not real good results either.

bigbloom has them rockin now

ALSO on the bigbloom bottle it reccomends half cup per gallon for first feeding
this will not burn your plants, but it will explode them.
try it you wont be sorry.
tiedye

[b1v2w3]

hey tie, just a little slow in checking the site and responding to the replies! too much work, cows getting a little thin so gotta spend time getting supplemental feed and feeding it out. and all the spring work starting up right now as well.
Thanks for analysing my bad leaves problem. Have ordered fox farms big bloom and will have it here in a couple more days.
This feeding schedule you suggest, you call it "the soil feeding schedule from fox farms" . Where do they publish that, or how did you get their schedule. Would you mind sharing that? I'll follow it right along on the strength of your saying so. Thanks a bunch. b1

[tiedye0420]

it comes from foxfarm
the bottle you will get has different directions
half cup per gallon on first feed
4 tbs every watering afterwards.
those directions seem to be mostly for cannabis .
follow those for bigbloom.
here is the scedule- I mostly use it for the beginning stages
and continue to use growbig through preflower via the schedule.
then after preflower growth spurt i switch to 1/2 cup- and the bottle directions for bigbloom. You kinda have to improvise the weeks a bit.
my cycles are 12-16 weeks not ten. adjust accordingly to your cycle length.
this time hit em with the bigbloom like the bottle says- 1/2 cup per gallon
it wont burn em, it is guano and castings.
WEEK ONE : 2 tbs bigbloom {30 ml} per gallon of water
WEEK TWO : 2tsp {10 ml} growbig per gallon + 1 tbs {15 ml} bigbloom
WEEK THREE : 3 tsp{15 ml} growbig per gallon
WEEK FOUR : 3 tsp {15 ml} growbig per gallon
FOXFarm does not say this but continue this during veg stage- if you are vegging 8 weeks continue to use growbig 8 weeks.
budstage:
WEEK FIVE: 2tsp {10 ml} tigerbloom + 1tbs {15 ml} bigbloom per gallon water.
WEEK SIX : 2 tsp tigerbloom + 1 tbs bigbloom
WEEK SEVEN :2 tsp tigerbloom + 1 tbs bigbloom
WEEK EIGHT : 2 tsp growbig + 1 tbs bigbloom
WEEK NINE : 2 tsp tigerbloom + 1 tbs bigbloom
WEEK TEN 2 tsp tigerbloom + 1 tbs bigbloom

[meangreen]

Fox farms ferts are now in my trash,I continue to use Earth Juice as plants do alot better with it!!IE:Taste,smell,and yield.I tested the same strain with both one cycle and the earth juice 's out come smoked the FF!A little tid bit!!!!!!!!!

Not ta say FF sucks but just not nearly as effectivfor whats sought!!

[tiedye0420]

yeah this im sure will hold true
but if he was using tigerbloom only ,then that was his problem.
he needs the bigbloom and growbig if he is using foxfarm products.
And i didnt get that good of results until i blasted them with 1/2 cup per gallon.
kinda weak actually.if you can use that much in one feeding.
I also use high phosphorus bat guano during bud
and homeade wormcastings with high nitrogen guano during veg.
marine cuisine is good as well.
i am however looking for a longer term soil
use the foxfarm for sprouts
and upcan to something hotter when they get to growbags.
the hydrostore has one but im not sure what it is.
a dark brown bag is about all i can recall.

i used up a quart on this cycle, come to think of it.
the results were great but if i can find something better and stronger im probly going to switch up my nutes eventually.
I just bought a gallon of bigbloom though.
so i figure 4 cycles and i'll be needing all the different types.
the quarts of tigerbloom and growbig should last to the end of summer.
foxfarm is nice because you really dont need a ph meter if you stick with their products, im getting by without one just fine.
but i'll be sure to grab a meter before i switch nutes again.

[b1v2w3]

Meangreen, now that I'm invested in FF I'll go with that until used up, . Does earthjuice have two separate formulas, like for veg & flower as well? and what, if you don't mind MG, are they called.
Tiedye, thanks so much for the elaboration. I would want to follow your schedule but I can, for the world of me, not separate the veg instructions from the flower instructions in your schedule.
You say that you use GrowBig during veg. You are NOT giving a schedule or amounts for this period so to see, right?? I have done the veg for 8wks and plan to harvest after 10 wks of flowering.
So then we go to flower, which according to FF lasts 10 weeks but you go longer, like 12-16wks right?
And the WEEK ONE thru WEEK TEN schedule you gave applies to the flowering stage, right? And that schedule starts with the 1/2 cup, right?
I guess the sentence between WEEK FOUR and WEEK FIVE> FOXFarm does not say this but continue this during veg stage- if you are vegging 8 weeks continue to use growbig 8 week< confuses me and makes it difficult to figure out whether we are talking about the veg or the bloom stage. Hope I'm not a pest with this but would like to get it right. Thanx. b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Damn B1! -I wish I knew how to help ya with yer nute issues but I can tell ya this, -your Sugar Shack will only flower for 45 days, after that your results will start to diminish. -You might have underfed them in the flower stage Brudda. -I think these plants feed heavy durring flower, might be because of theyr short 45 day flower time. -Kinda like they gotta hog it up in order to finish fat in that short of time or somethin. -In flower, they realy love to eat and they love theyr lights.

[meangreen]

Meangreen, now that I'm invested in FF I'll go with that until used up, . Does earthjuice have two separate formulas, like for veg & flower as well? and what, if you don't mind MG, are they called.
Tiedye, thanks so much for the elaboration. I would want to follow your schedule but I can, for the world of me, not separate the veg instructions from the flower instructions in your schedule.
You say that you use GrowBig during veg. You are NOT giving a schedule or amounts for this period so to see, right?? I have done the veg for 8wks and plan to harvest after 10 wks of flowering.
So then we go to flower, which according to FF lasts 10 weeks but you go longer, like 12-16wks right?
And the WEEK ONE thru WEEK TEN schedule you gave applies to the flowering stage, right? And that schedule starts with the 1/2 cup, right?
I guess the sentence between WEEK FOUR and WEEK FIVE> FOXFarm does not say this but continue this during veg stage- if you are vegging 8 weeks continue to use growbig 8 week< confuses me and makes it difficult to figure out whether we are talking about the veg or the bloom stage. Hope I'm not a pest with this but would like to get it right. Thanx. b1Fox farms is a good fert regime,but as I suspected they are not OMRI certified which all manufactorers of 100% organic ferts strive to achieve!This leads me to believe they are not 100% organic as they claim.Earth juice offers Gro,Bloom,Meta-K,Microblast,Catalyst that all can be combined together for specific plant needs!EJ also has a full line of individual micronutrients that can be custom mixed to siute any need.Here is a good link for EJ products and 100% OMRI certified.I have placed a link in the organic thread which lists all OMRI certified product,no Fox Farms in the list,makes ya think!

http://www.greenfire.net/hot/ALLJ.html

[b1v2w3]

MG: great info to build on my expanding knowledge of these things. Will copy the link and further my fert methodology in that direction. I was dwelling in Greenmans Pages (are you familiar with that site?) and came across the following info>>The autumn sun produces more red light, because the autumn sun is lower in the sky.That doesn't mean that you must now use only the sodium lamps. With only red light, the plants lose their vegetative leaves (they turn yellow and fall off easily), while the stem of the plant is lengthened<< and see now reasons in addition to the one you gave for the leaf yellowing. Initially I had HPS as the only lights in my flower room and since then have added the same number of MH and have upped the fert schedule as suggested and the further yellowing has stopped, bud formation is vigorous and, most importantly, the newly added plants to the flower room show none of the problems of the first one (the SugarShack).

LuMpY: thanks for the concern but judge from the pics for yourself: only a temporary setback/problem which has been corrected and does not seem to have repeated itself. Pic one is SS now, still showing those yellow tips. (I guess they don't revert after the fact) and pic two is from an Amstel GoldxBlack Seed which was added to the flowering room after the corrections.b1

[tiedye0420]

Down with the schedule.
that is for seed to finish.
you are almost finished.
Use the bottle directions that tell you 1/2 cup per gallon for the first feeding.
then two tablespoons per gallon every time you water.

I am tripping out
today I opened a jug of bigbloom- one gallon size.
It was kind of a darkish brown color.
I was refilling the quart bottle, which I just got done using the last 1/2 cup of.
It was a reddish brown.
YES i shook them both up like a madman.
Foxfarm is now on my inconsistent list.
I will no longer be buying foxfarm liquid ferts.
And may discontinue using marine cuisine and ocean/forest
as well.
meangreen got me thinking.
I also saw foxfarm on a list of fertilizers with high mineral counts.
Minerals like lead and mercury.
dangerous chemicals.
For the life of me I cannot recall the list name.
maybe someone else here remembers.
seemed to me that foxfarm was high in mercury
probably the same reason nobody buys fish anymore- too much mercury can kill you.
how much of this can get into the system by smoking bud im sure is very minimal.
If I were growing tomatoes however I would be much more leery.
But then meangreen cannot find them on a list of organic ferts, wonder why. ORGANIc based," best of technology and organics" as they say.Too high of mineral concentrates- dangerous ones {IMM GONNA SURF A MINUTE SEE WHAT I CAN FIND}
foxfarm is batting two strikes in my book three with the color changing bigbloom.
Im so ripped, I been working on the growroom for three or four days now.
Finished the new veg area. 2 w x 4.6 l x 5 h. the 154 cfm fans exhaust and intake this area . The canfilter and eliecent exhaust the 6x6x7 budroom, and the overhead intake goes from 500 to 900 cfm.
this intake fan, will be switched for an a/c unit if need be.
my seedlings are sexing so they went into 18/6 today.
82 in the budroom and 84 in the vegroom were todays highs.
im pretty stoked
and I harvested 6 plants today.
Im really stoked
I got the kush curing slowly
It's so nice, sticky gnarly nugs.
I love the LN kush
and the stone is trippy as hell.
I like that a lot too.
Im gonna bust up a chunk before bed i think.
i BEEN WORKING HARD.
oops on the caps but it lookes good so it can ride
i been working haard though
and i gotta get back to the deck tomorrow.
Knowing my new grow areas are doing just fine.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Is it done yet? :) ! -You gonna LOVE that Sugar Shack! --Im willin to bet it becomes your new favorite! -Fukkin DELICIOUS!!! -They outta make a CANDY outta this shit. -Nothin tastes like this or gets you as high! --Oh yea..... -They put on the bulk of theyr weight in the last week or so, -somma your calyxes will swell up bigger than peas and open up. -The calyx get so big on these that you can pick them off like grapes. :) -Im smokkin some now :) ! -Its the rule.

[b1v2w3]

Tiedye: bigbloom came today, followed the 1/2 cup start directions and watched them glow, then i set them out in the sun. Can you believe?

I am sensitive to MG's analysis of this product and will take it in with all other considerations. Now, to enhance all physical parameters I began some co2 supplementation a few days ago. I worked around the complexities of the vinegar dripping into a bowl of baking soda and then I checked out some co2 generators on google and then it hit me: i HAD TWO OF THEM RIGHT HERE. This is a very mosquito infested area of the world and there is a company called " american biophysics" that makes a product that is called "the mosquito magnet" and it works on the principle that mosquito's recoignize warmblooded animals (like humans as well) by the co2 exhale stream coming from their respiration>>breathing!!. So these machines hook to a 40lb propane tank and are plugged in and produce a constant stream of co2 + a little water vapor/drippings and some heat. and the mosquis attrct to it, get sucked in by a little fan and die a dessicated deathn a netcontainer device.
So I placed one of those babies in with my sugarshacks and the rest and they have been responding!! Interesting to see is that, when I forgot to turn it off one night after the lights had gone out, when finally realizing it I saw a significant drooping of all the leaves on all plants, indicating to me that some sort of toxit effect had taken place. I brought in fresh air and the next morning it all looked good again. Tells me that the stomata are open during light and are able to inhale the co2 and they close in the dark so the co2 rises when not used by the plant. 'mmmmmmmm need to get a co2 meter.
These machines cost around $350.00 about the same as the co2 generators I found for just the single purpose. Oh yeah, by the way, these mosquito magnets are more effective then anything else you could ever want to try, like chemical fogs orn sprays or whatever.
these sugar shacks were put under 12 hrs. 7wks ago today. took them about two weeks to really show good flower everywhere. So it's been "in flower" for 5 wks. How many more weeks before I harvest would y'all think LuMpY??
Planning to post a pic tomorrow so you can see where she's at.b1

[tiedye0420]

foxfarm bigbloom works beautifully,
Im having trouble with shelling out 32 bucks a gallon for something you could practically pour directly on the plant.
1/2 cup seems like an insane amount to use.
but they will explode.
yes they will.

[b1v2w3]

hey tie: looking at the label of big bloom, you see that the percentages of NPK are in the one tenth of one percent to one hundredth of one percent range whereas the tiger bloom and grow big are in the whole pecent range. E.G. Big Bloom N=0.01%, P=0.3%, Tiger Bloom N=2%, P=8% and Grow Big has N=6% and P=4%
That tells you that your gallon of Big Bloom is 99%+ water and you pay a hefty price for that to be shipped to you as well. Since BB is 100% organic and derived from the very best organic sources it will give you plant nutrients that can be absorbed and utilized by the plants with grater ease and utility then almost any chemical source. So it is the stuff to use. But obviously the thing to do is to purchase your bat guano and other organic starting materials in the dry form and mix it up yourself. And that's what I am going to do myself hereafter. MeanGreen gave me the link to a source for such starting materials and I am going to follow up on that. Here it is: http://www.greenfire.net/hot/ALLJ.html
Will post pictures as soon as I can.
Thanks for sticking with this subject. b1

[b1v2w3]

these sugar shacks were put under 12 hrs. 8wks ago. It took them about two weeks to really show good flower everywhere. So it's been "in flower" for 6 wks. How many more weeks before I harvest would y'all think? b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Damn Bro... -Im sorry to see how the SS is goin. :( -I think ya mighta messed up your light cycle or something cause mine show flower clear in as little as 6 days mostly, sometimes 9 days. -I dont think you can make up for nute deficencies by lettenim flower longer and expect them to do theyr best but just lettem flower till the triches look rite! --It looks like you had light leak/cycle issues as well as nute issues.

[tiedye0420]

yeah the greenfire link is exactly why i came here.
meanwhile i found this link too.
http://www.togernet.com/altrum/aggrand_organic_ferilizer.htm
it looks less confusing to use than some products.
I tried cool bloom and it left a chem taste to the product. So needless to say, i'll probly steer away from general hydro products.

[tiedye0420]

hey meangreen
this morning ,i finally realized something you probably know already.
greenfire is in sacto, about 80 miles away from me.
definetly drivable- but i figure i'll do a quarterly supply run up there.
or maybe every 6 months get mega organic supplies- like a truckload. L.O.L.
im looking into going with "pureblend" for an organic liquid fert.
it has all the goodies plus humus and agrimineral 72 for trace.
plus it is two part- gro and bloom, which works better for me with my busy schedule.
Hey b1
harvest weights are in.
1/2 ounce per plant average
five strains pretty much equal.
a few plants were 2+ ounces
one of these was stinky
my newest development
from which im seperating phenotypes and sexing from 47 f2 offspring.
to do some selective breeding.maybe open pollenate selected males to all females, but within a grouping of phenotypes to match. each selected male will get a grouping of all females that match in shape and smell. all in the same room, so some cross pollenation would occur, but the ones in closest contact will be primarily pollenated by the male inside the group. curculation fans will be minimised for the week or two of breeding.
And afterwards i'll have to remove all vent tubes and fans- scrub and clean all dust-run the shower head through the tubing- and a can of air to the fans outside.
bleach and clean the room again, lately i been mopping once a week.even spraying neem on the wood floor to deter critters from smell.{and kill em on the floor}
so 15 ounces from a 6x6 area was my total, but the whitefly infested thai's were ejected outside - there is two of those likely to produce an ounce each.
Im looking to get a 1,000 watt radiant ballast soon- and a hortilux blue bulb for it.
just a ballast and bulb for now. I'll unplug one of my 600 radiants and use that hood for a bit. This would be 1,000 watts of halide and 600 hps for the veg. period, and in a few more weeks i can grab another daystar to re-light the other 600hps for flowering. 2200 watts mixed for bloom stage.
these babys are gonna rage.

[b1v2w3]

hey tie: nor having enough ambition is not one of your faults, ain't it! Will be harvesting the SS next weekend and will compare yield with you. let me know how fresh/how dry it is when you weigh it. What's your opinion of the SS pics I posted on the previous page tie? LuMpY acts as if I've got a problem and sends his condolances whereas I feel that she's doing great (yes a little battle scarred from a few previous problems but fully recovered) and now has 4 colas, ranging from 10" to one foot, has 8 secondary tops from 4 to 6 inches and miriad little individual flowers lower down. And she's pumping out the crystals like crazy. What do you see?
I did misstate myself when saying in a previous post that it took 2 weeks before flower began to show. That was wrong, 5 to 7 days is what it took. Thanks for that LuMpY. Let me hear back on this guys. thanks. b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Hey :) ! They look good for what they been threw Brudda. -You should keep playin with it tho. -I hope you got a cutting or some seeds left. -Your weed'l prolly be fine Bro, I aint tryinna get ya down but I hope you grow this weed again so you get a chance to enjoy its full genetic potential. -I aint tryin to be a smart ass or nothin but you cant expect a weed thats supose to finish in 6 weeks to finish in 8 and be as good as what the cataloge says about it. -Ya might really like it when its done. I just dont think you could stretch out its flower time like that without any detrimental effects. -I hope you grow this weed again, its a great weed! :)

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-I like when the calyx open up a bit sometimes. -I got some more pics if ya wantem for referance :) . -I didnt wanna make ya feel like ya screwed the SS up or anything, it just seems like ya had a couple issues with it this time around :) . -I bet its still fukkin delicious!!!! -Just grow it again when ya get a chance and make shure ya got a good solid feeding scedule goin with it and make shure it finishes in 6 to 6.5 weeks :) !

[meangreen]

Hey B1,they look fine from what I see in the pics,keep in mind you will never finish in the same time as Lumpy,Aero is faster!


Tiedye,here is the premier organic supplier in the nation!Its in grass valley,not too far for ya,they have the best supply of nutrients and soil amendments anywhere,but dont cater to the indoor gardener.
www.groworganic.com (http://www.groworganic.com)

[tiedye0420]

hey b1
every grow i find room for improvement.
lumpy is trying to help you improve more rapidly than you normally would.
not insult you.
dont trip potato chip.

hey mean
greenfire has thripscreen
I been searching 3 months for something like that.
Im stoked.
also, dont take this wrong- but earthjuice seems a little too confusing for me.
I like simple two part formulas.
I think im going to do a similar study though.
The age old bloom i used last summer produced tastier buds than the bigbloom.But i did not use any other age old products at the time.
So im getting "age old" grow/kelp/ and bloom.
Im also going to try some budswell dry mix, and the super tea mix that co-incides with it. This i can use to tea when i soak them every couple weeks, in conjunction with other ferts- or as standalone during a control study.
Im also going to try the dutch canna nutrients
because they are tailor made for cannabis {"canna"-pretty obvious ploy there}
And because they are formulated for specific growing mediums ,and designed to leave no toxic buildup. {chemmy taste} bg hydro has canna .

and ALSO: pureblend gro and bloom
extract from bghydro:
[quote]
PUREBLEND™ is a hydro-organic compost solution blended with select organic ingredients from the land and the sea. PURE BLEND™ contains a vast array of over 72 trace minerals, as well as an abundance of naturally occurring growth hormones (cytokenins and auxins). PURE BLEND™ also supplies vitamins, enzymes, amino acids, natural humates and organic plant acids.[quote]

and one more product interests me, another quote for ya.
Power Plant - for vegetative growth. Power Plant contains all 16 elements known to be essential for plants, not just nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium found in most other liquid plant foods. The elements are carefully combined in delicately balanced proportions to produce optimal plant growth. With Power Plant, you will never have to worry about burning your plants because it is completely balanced, safe, and environment-friendly.
Power Flower - For flowering plants. Power Flower is specially formulated to maximize floral production and development in flowering plants. Like Power Plant, Power Flower contains a full complement of essential elements, however, it is fortified with extra phosphate, selected trace elements, and plant vitamins to unleash the total flowering potential of flower-bearing plants. After using Power Flower you will be truly amazed at the size of the flowers and the brilliance of their colors. Power Flower contains silicate for increased hardiness and pathogen resistance; it is completely safe to use and will not cause burns.

END OF QUOTES

sounds like it may be a simple solution to my nutes.
not that i have an issue with foxfarm.
but I want something better and stronger.
Batguano tea for the seedlings
they got 3 tablespoons of growbig last watering, at about 23 days. most have shown sign- most of the breeders have been chosen-10 females and 3 males from 3 phenotypes.
tomorrow the bat guano blast will begin to explode them,I mixed 3 gallons of tea today for 47 6" containers.
All are on 18/6 now.

[b1v2w3]

Does this look like sugar or what! Justifies the name sugarshack, right?
I appreciate all y'all's feedback and feel encouraged by it all. MG: do you feel that the dry ingredients making up a proper organic mix can be found for sale and mixed successfully on the farm? Would save a ton not having to pay for the water component of the liquid/alraedy mixed kind. LuMpY: great pics. would you be able to get a good real closeup of one of thos buds? Tie: how long did you dry your recent harvest that yielded 1 oz/plant on avg. before weighing it. Or was that fresh of the stalk (can't believe that's what you did though)b1

[meangreen]

B1, order a catalogue from these people,they carry just about every thing organic,I recall seeing dry ferts!

www.groworganic.com (http://www.groworganic.com)

[b1v2w3]

Thanks MG, will follow up on that. Posting a few more pics: clearly showing the triches and they seem mostly clear. The hairy threads, pistils I think they are called, are beginning to show a reddish brown tip and some are changing in color all over as seen in the first pic I think. Seems like a good way to monitor the crawling to the point of harvest.b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

DDDDAMMN B1!!!! :) !!!! -Fukkin INCREDIBLE pics!!!! --Theres no way I can get THAT close!! -You SHURLEY bought out the trichs! -Im glad someone elce is enjoyin this weed besides me now! VERY nice weed Brudda... -Very nice weed! -I didnt meen to seem negative in my previous posts. -Your weed looks GREAT!! --Tryin stick with the SS. -If you got more seeds, see if you can isolate a fem to take cuttings from. -I think THATS how ya grow a GREAT weed, by clonin and flowerin the same thing time after time, -you tend to get real good at it! -Its pretty cool, -you become a "Specialest"at your own weed and tekneek! -The constant repitition and familiarity allow you to produce some WIKKIDASS smoke! --Well annyhow..... -See how you enjoy them genetics, Im shure youl likem! --Then when ya likem, -stikwittem! -Its just like anything ya stick with, -it gets better an better!! -Im constantly workin on ways to get more bud outta my room :) ! Peace Brudda!! -and Enjoy! :) !

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Hey Howdy!! -Yea.... -I been workin with this weed constantly for almost 2 years now. -I been perfectin the mixture of nutes/temps/timing required to make THESE flowers flower! -Specificly. :) -Man... -I hope this aint readin threw cocky or nothin. Heh Heh.. :) -These flowers do the same thing for me time and time again. -Im tryinna point out that when you pick a weed ya really like and concentrate your growing efforts on it exclusivly for a real long time you get to knowin just what it likes! >TIMETIMETIMETIME< Thats what it takes my Brudda. -Time and concentration is what it takes. --It aint too fukkt up on the membrain tho, -I do it everyday and I smoke from mornin to when I go to sleep! -Everybody grows differant and I do a fukkin wild and crazy fukkin ass method that makes me develope a mental deciplen that I fallow for my plants .. Heh Heh.. -Its really GOOFEY! :) -Keeps me happy! --Its past 8:00 so Im gonna open my door. -Im gonna get some pics of my 4 day olds*(In flower 4 days*), my 18 day olds* and my 32 day olds*. -I do it way differant :) .

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Heres some fresh pics :) ! -Like I said, 4 day olds*, 18 day olds* and 32 day olds*. -Thats how long they been in the flower room. I vegem now for 6 weeks instead of 4. -Thats just another example of how Im always lookin for ways to GET MORE BUDD!!! -Heh Heh.. -I added a step in my veg aria. -Its another 2 weeks but you dont feel it at all, all it is, is a piece of space if ya know what I meen :) ! -Il get some pics of my veg aria if ya like but heres some of my flower room :) !

[ekul le chet]

great close up pics b1! they look niiiiicccce and sticky :)

[b1v2w3]

I love the density of the leaf structure lumpy, that's what seems to produce/support those fat colas.
Ekul>nice photo editing>graphics outlay. Seen your pics before, do you do this as a hobby? what equipment do you use.b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-I cant wait till ya taste it! :) --DDDDDAMN!!!! -Your gonna LOVE this shitt!! -Not that theirs lots of it or nothin but I like cuttin the li'l bud leafs off my buds and makin hash offem! -I keep all frosty trim from harvest and I pull all the bud leaf off of what I smoke and by the time my buds are dry so is my trim, -I mix it with my bud leaf and make hash. -Everything happens on a 2 week scedule :) ! -FUKKIN SWEET!!!!

[tiedye0420]

yeah b1
but it was 1/2 ounce dry weight, average per plant.
i gave them hardly any veg time however.
due to spidermites and wanting the battle to end.

But im going to veg under a 1,000 watt halide this cycle. I have 300 saved already.
and it looks like I'll be getting a new hydrofarm 1,000 watt daystar with radiant ballast this coming saturday.
im gonna See if letting them get three foot tall under the halide ; without mites, before hitting 12/12, will improve those yields any. The current strain is my heaviest branching creation as well, so I may quadruple those weights here soon.

[ekul le chet]

Ekul>nice photo editing>graphics outlay. Seen your pics before, do you do this as a hobby? what equipment do you use.b1
thanks b1, glad you like the pics :) yeah taking photos has turned into a bit of a hobby, hoping to get a better camera soon, the one i got is a cheap basic one but does alright for now :) the pic in my sig i did in photoshop, was working on ideas for a clothing site and got side tracked ;)

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Hey B1! -Whats up!? -You must be WAKKT!!!! -Give us an update when ya can Brudda!

[meangreen]

A grower says 3 plants,7.5 weeks,organically grown,earth juice ferts = 1/2 lb of very dense nuggets!

[meangreen]

Woops,forgot the pic;imagine that!

[meangreen]

I better smoke another!!

[meangreen]

Try this one more time!
http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/529/297Dscf0349.jpg

[meangreen]

A grower says these are 2 clones vegged 1 week and flowered 7.5 weeks,organically in soil,and earth juice ferts.Some nice fat nuggies in await to be toked!

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/529/297Dscf0355.jpg

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-The timeline's fukkin incredible :) ! Well done Brudda!

[ekul le chet]

gwaaarn!! thats it man, next time i'm not vegging for long like i have on this and the last grow

[b1v2w3]

hey meangreen, now I see what your avatar is all about: that's totally meeeeeeeeeean&greeeeeeeeeeeeen!!
for details, you mind sharing a little more detail?? 1)how long from clone cutting to starting the one week vegging and 2)under what type of light, especially how many watts/lumens and bulb types.
I can't believe that it is possible to achieve such results unless the light intensity matches all the other aspects.
I've been away from spending time here because of spring time field work and came back to check and couldn't believe what I saw. Have just harvested the one SS and will weigh the bud and "frosty trim" (LuMpY's term) and post it here.b1

[b1v2w3]

hey LuMpY & Tie, finally responding to your stuff here: yes, I am germinating some more SS seeds as we speak. Meangreen has steered me to what cloning method to use and the EZ-Clone just arrived afew days ago (haven't even got it out of the box yet) and will proceed to getting clones from the SS once it sprouts and grows up a little. I've been thinking of letting the few other varieties that are flowering right now finish in the outdoors. What do you guys think about that: indoors under a mix of MH and HPS for a total of 1000 watts, 5 plants in a 4'x6' shed for 5 weeks and let them finish outdoors. Given that I'd protect them from heavy wind/rain, would that work?b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--HeY B1! --Good to see ya back :) ! -Man! -Im glad your clonin the SS! -I got some finishin tuesday .. -I'l get some pics when I cuttem :) . -Im gonna go resize a li'l bud pic and post it now :) !

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--I took this pic a fyer days ago. -I still sukk with a camera but tuesday when I bring these out of the flower room I'l get some better pics of the whole harvest :) . ---Then Il show yas again in 2 weeks :) ! -Heh Heh .. -Oh yea ... If ya were gonna start plants to flower outside you might wanna consider how big theyl be when ya harvestem from when ya putem out to veg. -If ya putem out real early in the season they might turn into monsters!

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Mabey I can get this pic up.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Damnn Mean ... -You werent stoned!

[b1v2w3]

hey LuMpY, maybe Mean was(wasn't)stoned but judging from the pic, you sure were fuzzy!! HA HA!
Yeah, about putting them out in the sun; they are already 4/5 wks into flowering and will be harvested in a few weeks. Don't think they'll revert to veg state and turn hermie on me would you think??

[meangreen]

If your putting them outside make sure ya keep em there!Bringing em back in could subject the indoors to many unwanted pests!Those hanging ladies with the ez clone can be obtained in about 9 weeks from time of cutting,4-7 days to root,7 days veg and whatever time it takes the strain in question to flower!Ya get that ez-cloner going,run it 24/7 after adding required power clone solution and hydroguard !

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Did ya have somekinda prob with the pic postin Mean? -Thats what I ment, :) I couldnt post my pic either and I thought mabey they changed something with the pic postin and mabey it wasnt that we were stoned, mabey it was just the site, I couldnt post a pic either :) Heh Heh .. -Hey B1! -I dont think I would disturb a plants life cycle as to the point of givin it the signal to die and then jerkinem back like that. -If ya gottem flowerin, keepem flowerin, dont revegem. -I just wouldnt do it. -Kinda like halfways killin a pig and then changin yer mind and decidin to eat it later .. -Heh Heh :) . -Im kinda stoned. -About the pig I meen, heh heh, -Im kinda stoned. -But I think that when ya do shitt like that you geneticly degrade the quality of your weed. -Like in Steven Kings Pet Semitary. Ya jerkem back from the GRAVE !!!! -If theyr flowerin I think Id letem finish. -Now would be a good time to start plannin for a kick ass summer grow tho.... :) Heh Heh ..

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Damnn Brudda! -I could just imagine how fukkin cool it would be to be able to do a nice size outdor grow sometimes. -If this shitt was leagle Id be doin this on my fukkin roof! :)

[b1v2w3]

LuMpY: I hear ya brudda!, right now the sun is out about 12 hrs/day and that simulates my 12/12 flower cycle close enough. I know what you mean with them getting the idea to start vegging again. I was thinking that the shear power of the sun would help them finish better then any artificial light could do. Actually, I'm going to look it up in the Farmer's Almanac, they show tables for day length.
Tell me what you think, love hearing your comments and have learned a ton sofar.
mean green: mind sharing the wattage I ask about in the previous post? would also love to hear back about "Those hanging ladies with the ez clone can be obtained.....etc". Is that what you call the rooted clones? Thanks.b1

[meangreen]

Clones and veg are under a 4 bulb Tek lite T5 and flower under air cooled 600 hps's with co2.heres a link to IMO the best cutting/seedling/veg light on the market!

http://www.nationalgardenwholesale.com/detail_lighting.php?id=04_FL&prod=479

[tiedye420]

IMHO
putting them outside now{spring} may or may not cause them to re-veg. the days are getting longer- much later ,and they definetly would re-veg.
Moving them in and out could very well cause them to hermie. leave them out for three weeks before trying to bring them in{this should avoid the hermie thing}- but like mean says-they will have bugs- bomb them in a clean room first if you must bring them inside to keep them from re-vegging.
ALSO IMHO (in my honest opinion) you really should let one re-veg. The first time you re-veg a plant- it basically indicates if that strain re-vegges well. I have not heard of losing anything by re-vegging plants one time. ONLY once though, the second time you try to re-veg a plant it doesn't work that way- you can lose both virility and potency.
each clone can be re-vegged once however.
I am revegging the third mutant (two headed monster) afghani mother now.
It is exploding with hundreds of growth shooots, and still the 2nd most potent strain in my lineup. Sort of a juicy,fruity skunky afghani. highland afghani,from what me and mean figured out.Not bad for bagseed.L.O>L.
got a humidifier this morning- delivered! L.O.L.
IIII I would definetly re-veg one of those sugarshacks.JUST DO IT. clone many offspring from it, learn both the art of cloning, and HOW THE SUGARSHACK LIKES TO BE GROWN this way. It takes a few cycles to learn the different needs of different strains. clone the shack until you learn to grow her as well as lumpy knows her.
you will never regret this ,if you take my advice on this matter.
I swear it.
tiedye

[b1v2w3]

I am taking your advice and meangreen's as well and am moving into areas of competencies never imagined before.
Report on Sugar Shack: Dried one week in low humidity room, seperated into individual buds/budlets and sealed in glass jars. Frosty trim crushed and crumbled. Total weight 85 grams, that's one gram more then 3 ounces. The bigger leaves ans stems etc., "the chaff" was not weighed and will be extracted. I feel happy with my first indoor grow and harvest and couldn't have done it without the help of you guys. b1

[b1v2w3]

Hey MG: Thanks for the tech detail(s). Would also like to know how many watss per sqaure foot that turns out to be. As youn can see, I am trying to figure out what factor made those magnificent buds so magnificent and I am just trying to duplicate as many factors as possible (where you kindly share them). Did you get my post on those mosquito magnets to supply co2, what's your opinion on such??
And finally, mind sharing with me the brand/kind of moisture meter, Ph &ec meter or system? you seem to have a line on stuff that has been rated by users/professionals. Seems I should start considering a way of paying tuition for being in meangreen's school of botany. Thanks bro. b1

[meangreen]

I threw all those meters out when I went back to soil years ago!They are a waste of money unless your into hydro,all you should need is a ph test kit to test the water in your cloner,I do use a soil test kit ,link below as I make my own soil!In flower I have 57 watts per sq foot!I would not waste money on co2 except from a generator.http://www.sciencekit.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_507736

[tiedye420]

Im winging it without so much as litmus paper- I dont use anything. I plan to soon ,but I still am without.
im surely hitting close to 85 watts per square foot now, i don't use some of the area in there. 2400 watts for about 28 square foot that gets used.

im using 40w per square ft in the veg area though, ironically enough there are 8 plants budding on 12/12 ,and seedlings in the little chamber.
and close to fourty males/females on 18/6 vegging toward an open pollenation.
They are freaky, wider than they are tall- average spacing on main stalks inbetween nodes, is probably 3/4 of an inch, to possibly an inch. The branches are shooting out as wide as the leaves, popping up between the blades usually.
they are averaging 10" tall and 12" wide. FAT LITTLE #@%kers. MY F2 STINKY'S.
yes they are.
i just stuck in a humidifier today- hopefully they will stretch a little bit more- i got the temp up to 90 -100 now that they have humidity.
it's been averaging 20% humidity.
now it's 40% humidity, this strain has been developed for drought tolerance over the last decade { among many other traits- branching is always a must in my breeding}
so the dry start will continue on with this trait. they are hitting 5-6 weeks now though, so i want them to stretch a bit before they go on 12/12. the males showed at 3-4 weeks - i removed the ugly small ones- might get a couple tall ones out- but the tallest budded the fastest. so it stays.
prepare the world to be blown away b1.
im sending off for my usb cable- the suspense is killing me.
i want to share the beauty of these creations,to be truthful, and perfectly honest, they remind me a lot of the ornamental strain luther burbank created before prohibition.

[tiedye420]

My gosh was i stoned lastnight
Luther did what?
Please disregard my ravings.
Ivan Bosca was the creator of the ornamental strain to which i referr. Luther was the "father of horticulture" or that's his nickname.
he applied darwins theory's to botany.

i'll go see if i can get the pic of ivan i speak of.
If not, i'll provide a link to it anyways.

[tiedye420]

the picture of Ivan and "panorama".

[tiedye420]

IM NOT SURE HOW THAT FIRST pic got in there,just a shot of the old veg area and some clones.

in the second pic-

The fat bladed ones in the middle were the first stinkies-f1.the parents to what i have going now.

third pic.
is A cropped shot of the stinkies, and the little one is pinky.
The big one was the male stinky,of course.

[b1v2w3]

Seeing your pictures now, tiedye! Must have that usb cable problem licked, right?!
Say tie, remember me asking about that butane and how I couldn't get it in decent sized bulk containers? You have ideas about that? thanks bro, would appreciate that.b1

[tiedye420]

THose are pics of the f1 parents ,actually. old pics when i was still running the 430 shp.................
now i am dealing with downymold on the fatter leaved phenos......
threw another out today.
see "disaster//mildew" for details on that...........
As to tanks of butane, how about a welder supply wherehouse....
but i been kind of thinkin the same thing.
although i found "lighten" and "KING" have 300ml {6 oz} canisters, which with a little one will do my foot-long 1 1/2 inch pvc extractor. it holds a few ounces of shake when packed right...probly close to three oz at a time.
i find the leaf makes an oil similar to hash oil, and the budtrim more like honey oil.......
I guess im gonna have to get my stash from the cannabis club for awhile,if these plants don't quit dropping off.......

[tiedye420]

sporting good stores, liquor stores, and convienience gas stations are where i see the big cans, sometimes. Big-5 usually has the king.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Hey :) ! -I just dryed these out. -Theyl trim up a bit more but they still outta wind up a QP when theyr done! -Not bad taking into consideration I had root zone issues where my root zones were at about 44 degrees for a while due to a digital thermomiter with low batterys reading about 20 or so degrees higher than they actually were. --Fukkin issues issues issues. -Whell waddafukk .. -The good thing is that I get to realize my improvements every other week :) . -It just sukks when ya find that you were doin something wrong for a while and you find youv done better. -It feals like your takin a step backwards. -I think Im gonna post a progress thread where I post my harvest every other week. --Mabey Il get this system pumpin full power real real soon :) ! -Annyhow .. Heres some Sugar Shack pics !

[tiedye420]

piranha took out the mildew overnight.
42 bucks but it was well worth it.
It has so many other uses, but 'ill always have a little on hand to cure fungal diseases when and if they happen in the future.
Nice nugs lumpy, they look somehow strangely familiar. Must be cause we watched em grow this time, what a nice experience it was for all of us. To see two sugarshacks in one thread was a treat! Thanks B1 and lumpy!
Im using three choice moms soon, i have seedlings at three weeks , 6 weeks and 50 more assorted (by rows - tagged and seperate)popping as we speak.

[b1v2w3]

Oh how sweet it is LuMpY! My SS came in at about half the size of your buds so to judge>>it's hard to judge size on photos<< Is the last pic all of it together?4 big budsticks and the rest as individual budlets? or are the previous two pics also some of the "take"? What total "net take" did you get? I posted (in this tread earlier on) my "net harvest take" of the one SS I was able to bring all the way thru and it was 3 ounces (85 grams). It is now in jars and I smoke some of the "frosty trim". Surprisingly smooth and very little harsh and green taste to it.
Tiedye, how sorry to hear you're dealing with the mold. I have been fogging a light mist of diluted neem oil in my growing areas as well as outside and it seems to keep fungi and insects at bay. doing that about twice a week seems to work. lLike to hear what mean green thinks about that as well. b1

[tiedye420]

advanced nutrient's piranha took care of my mold problem.
I moved the infected ones inside again they recovered so well.
They also had a skunk smell that i noticed when i moved two of em.
I thought i might get a skunk pheno out of this work.
>one of the males pulled has a blueberry sort of smell, hope there are more of those as well.
Which i also hoped for by this crossing, and breaking into f2 . Im going to have to wait to breed any of the phenos seperately though, I got more of the f2 around, probably wait until i build myself a house. I hope to start in 6 mos {borrowing from credit union to get going) and buy property/build a basement that is 12 foot deep- slap a modular
home on top of the underground basement. I been drawing up plans for the basement.
36x 45 feet total.
5 8x10 foot selective breeding chambers,
one veg area14x20
one seedling clone area 16x11
A late summer preflower budroom- SOX, halide ,and sodium- warmer temps.This room is mainly for the preflower stretching time.
an 8x 18 curing room
two 11x12 seedless budrooms.
Stairs and hallways will take up the remaining space.
54,600 watts required to run it.
It Will be the last growroom i'll ever need to setup.
And i'll be able to breed enough seeds to supply the seedbanks for a living.
nice dream eh!

[b1v2w3]

like to see THAT when it's finished.b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Hey Howdy Everybody :) ! -Thats a QP total :( . -I like this room better when it puts out at least 6 oz. -It should be a bit better in 2 weeks. -Its like I said, -theres always somkinda issues. -Its like I said, -Bozo's my fukkin hero now Brudda! -This shitts like spinnin plates! -Im startin to get the hang of it pretty good now tho but sometimes shitt like this happens. -Heh Heh .. -Il post a thread in 2 weeks when the next 4 come out to show the improvement. -Il post a progress thread. :)

[tiedye420]

I'LL BE SURE To keep you posted.

like to see THAT when it's finished.b1

[b1v2w3]

Hey LuMpY would you know the Sativa/Indica balance in the SugarShack/Prairie Pride? I have asked the folks of Kind Seeds and they did not dignify me with a reply. Maybe tiedye or meangreen or geckopelli might know if you don't. Would really like to hear on this. Getting the cloner going today! Being busy but still monitoring these posts. Keep me up guys! Thanks. b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Hey Hows it goin B1! :) -I asked that same Q a while ago. -I dont know but judgin by the flower time I figure it must be an indica or indica dominant Weed :) .

[tiedye420]

hey b1
try looking around at overgrow or better yet this site.I have found more pertenent info ,than i can readily assimilate here.
http://www.cannabisworld.org/vbportal/forums/index.php?s=
have a nice day.

[tiedye420]

Yeah B1

Im using neem at the moment, I usually dont like to but im in preflower so Im blasting them for a coule weeks,a couple times a week.
My prized mutant mom had the mites, she was smuggling them through from the last cycles.L.O.L. I quarranteened her in the shower, and she is ready to cut- so i scraped about a half ounce of crispy sweet bracts from underneath the clone groupings. THEN SHE got put in the shower and neem oil treatments. She might get once- or even twice a day neem. She is under a flourex so im not concerned about buring her- just the house down. mean had a flourex blow up on him- so Im watching mine close for the couple days i use it. But she is my prized mom, I get compliments like-"i forgot what it was like to get stone- until i smoked some of yours"
Stinky gets that reaction a lot too.

Mold is ok= Im trying to build this primarily indica's resistace to mold- It is drought tolerant like crazy- now i need to work on the other end of that scale.
I sure wish my cable would get here. Im about to blow the worlds collective mind.
there are threads on og and cw waiting to get loaded down with pics. a couple breeder collectives are showing interest. Im on the edge of my seat here.
Time to smoke up some bract! I been through two weeks of smoking water leaf.
The first week was to bring down the tolerance in my head. I smoked mosly waterleaf from the buds that came from my mutant at harv. not really bud leaf though- she doesn't need too much trimming. So my tolerance came down.
Then i started breaking out the 6-7 week old males from this cycle that were deleted during mildew days. NOT ONE VARIED in potency, they all got you blasted with no headache and no couchy burnout. A very strong sedative feeling, and a good melow body high. From 7 week old males. Not realstrong- you got to smoke a couple dubers. But the high was excellent.
For an f2, the variations im finding are of no consequence, different flavors and shapes is about it. I want that in a strain.

[b1v2w3]

Glad to see that you're getting the problem under control tiedye. Neem seems to last for a good 5 to 7 days after fogging the whole plant, not to forget the underside of leaves as well. to apply it too often could lead to toxicity and might keep things too moist all around. if you have continuing or recurring problems with insects and fungi you might need to go thru a one time cleaning out using whatever your favorites are, neem oil works best to keep newcomers out!! Once established neem seems to not be so effective in driving it out!! That's been my experience so far!
I saved a 5 gallon buckett jampacked with male plant, fan leaves and everything else that fell off the harvesting process and extracted the goodies using the alcohol cook method and it gave me a little bowl with about a quarter inch layer of thick oil which kept me happy for a couple of month all by itself. Smoking the lower quality 'whole plant' material seems very hard on the throat/windpipe system as compared to the 'evap inhale' system.
looking for your next report on the health of your clone mother. b1

[tiedye420]

The fusarim canker infected one? or the mutant? L.O.L.
the mom is recovering from mites- i assume they were hiding in the nugs during the winter. It only takes two. dang BORG.
Im seeing them on some little ones- the neem seems to work well for that angle too.
the smaller the plant the better the coverage i suppose.
It's best as a preventative- or when one or two is infected and the rest are fine. Neem kicks ass then. I find soap applications every other day to be more effective for breakouts. Im about to bomb for fleas= so pyrethium bombs in the growroom will work there.
we are almost done with the deck, i have to finish the skirt today- for benderboard along the underneath.Hides our structural beauty with more beauty.L.O.L.
But with all the radius corners, it's been fun figuring this thing out.
The redwood will be going down again today sometime.
And then the bridge and a roof, and the railings. The curved railings are going to be really interesting, and i have had plenty of practice cutting them. The curved shirt has bottom plate made the same way i will have to make the handrails.
You guys are going to shit when you see this deck.
It should be done in 6 weeks, about the same time stinky is done.
LUMPYTRICHROMY The constant upgrades are so mystic dyes can rise from the ashes, with backing. Im knowing that im owing you some fire shirts.
Can i get a refresher on those sizes- all my old pm and e- mail is lost.
Im cranking up the tiedyes as soon as the deck is done.
sorry it's lagging so bad, last year was a bitch.
later guys
tiedye

[tiedye420]

things are looking good around here.
the clone mom mutant is in back- the reverting gnarled one is my columbianxhashplant
the two big seedlings came up outdoors in old growbbags.
look like first gen stinky and fourth gen hashplant. hardto say for sure so soon.
the little cups are test crosses.
photos arent working
check my stinky thread i guess

[b1v2w3]

hey tie: good to see your update and I notice you working on the same situation I play with: how to keep track of all the thing you do>>and what you do to each of them>>and when did you do that>>etc. My current grow is evolving and is beginning to follow the greater plan of 1) grow good mothers 2) take good clones and 3) veg them in 24/7 until they are big enough to bear one solid central bud of 1 ft and put them outside in the sun, regardless of how long the current daylight time lenght is, and shock them into flowering and up with a plant that is short and stocky and grows well in and outdoor/shielded environment and withstands occasional thunderstorms and high winds. A hybrid indoor/outdoor type of plant you would say, where the hybrid comes not from the plant's type (gene makeup) but from the breeding selection method. Will keep you updated here periodically as that goes.
Most insects around here seek refuge when I go around wafting the neem oil mister. Yesterday and this morning there where a greater then expected number of love bugs, mating all over the fucking green beans. I mean: fucking all over the.....green beans in the general garden. And a fogging over with the neem made them leave for the closest hotel 6 for all I know!! b1

[tiedye420]

you sound like your after some of the same things i am after in breeding.
9 years of it.
I just looked at kabul afghanistan weather and once again it matches mine.
summer spring and fall my climate is closest to afghanistan.
that is why my afghani hybrids thrive so well under my torture.
Im insane i should grow some cooler climate strains. Thiunderfuck maybe?
ahh screw it i am on the right track.

Hey yeah i find the message boards very useful, a logbook of sorts to relay our thoughts and record our actions as they happen. Then we can always go back to the thread if we lose our written down at home info... Im just using a calendar, need a logbook to start tracking my various crosses.