Marijuana & Existence

[shaba]

Smoking a fatty one day, I came to perceive the world differently. I didnt know what existentialism was before I had my "moment of clarity", but the feelings I get when I smoke the greenest of green created the questions, from which I searched for the answers (via: google) I found a religion, a philosophy and a way of life. Now I realize that, I only have all the power to choose and do whatever I feel, but I alone must take reponsibility for my actions. It's seems so simple but everyday that I smoke I realize that this "movement" has saved my despair, and absolved my fear of death, and has made me appreciate life.

Your thoughts?

[TrippinBTM]

Yeah man, marijuana was a big part of my movement away from strict materialist atheism. That and a book I read, and a discussion I had with a guy online. I had the discussion, two days later smoked my first weed, and it blew my mind. The conversation came back to my mind, and took on a much deeper meaning (it was already deep, about existance and time and such), it MEANT more to me, more than just facts and points. That broke me into a whole new line of thinking, I learned many things that night, and it truely changed my outlook on life and existance. Been using weed in such a way ever since.


The book was read a week or two later, The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, for those interested. That helped me put the experience in place, sort of.

[mati]

may your voyage be ever so

[Esty]

Smoking a fatty one day, I came to perceive the world differently. I didnt know what existentialism was before I had my "moment of clarity", but the feelings I get when I smoke the greenest of green created the questions, from which I searched for the answers (via: google) I found a religion, a philosophy and a way of life. Now I realize that, I only have all the power to choose and do whatever I feel, but I alone must take reponsibility for my actions. It's seems so simple but everyday that I smoke I realize that this "movement" has saved my despair, and absolved my fear of death, and has made me appreciate life.

Your thoughts?dude....i'd say you owe all that awareness to google...not the chubbies

[The Chemical Comrade]

Dude.
Before I'd ever smoked ganja, the world was scary.
Really, things were falling apart, and I wanted to do something but I didn't know what I was going to be able to fix.
In my sophomore year of high school, in november actually, a few of my friends turned me on to pot, and since then things have still looked bad, but I'm able to sit down and tell myself that they'll get better.
I can't smoke currently, UAs suck, like sobriety.
But it does help you to sort things out.
Not in any physical sense, mind.
Just physically in the mind.

[Scholar_Warrior]

marijuana is a key that unlocks a door. once you know how to open the door yourself you no longer need the key. in fact after a time the key becomes heavy and can keep you stuck in the doorway.


use it as long as it serves you, then leave it behind for someone else to use.

[StonerBill]

or you could somehow try to remove the door and replace it with a curtain

[Zion]

Yeah same experience. I didn't realize we were truly alive and miraculously living until I high. Might be sad but its the truth. And it cured my asthma

[NatureFreak412]

or you could somehow try to remove the door and replace it with a curtain
or door beads, taht would be cool

[Occam]

Hey dudes.

Pot is a drug that alters brain chemistry mildly..

And no more

Occam uses it for fun and enlightenment.
LSD/peyote goes one step further , it interprets the neuroelectric data we call reality in a new way.
Occam can handle that..but many can not.

None of these drugs reveals anything but a new perspective
on reality.
[And our interpretation of the data we get from our senses IS our reality.]
For they effect NOTHING but YOUR brain.
THAT is what occam uses them for.

Many say they 'get out of it to get into it'
But occam has met few that truely do.


Occam

[mati]

no small thing in my book but yeah we need a pill that will take out the garbage also

Pot is a drug that alters brain chemistry mildly..

And no more

Occam uses it for fun and enlightenment


Occam[/QUOTE]

[Occam]

no small thing in my book but yeah we need a pill that will take out the garbage also

Pot is a drug that alters brain chemistry mildly..

And no more

Occam uses it for fun and enlightenment


Occam[/QUOTE] Mati.

Is big brother watching you?
Ask gretel

She is the pill that entertains your children.

Such media is a syndrome more degrading and damaging than ANY drug.

Yet parent allow it without qualm..
Why.
Ignorance.


Occam

[MelvnDoo]

why does Occam refer to himself in the third person?

[Occam]

why does Occam refer to himself in the third person?
Sorry ..you missed out...
Occam has explained himself 1000 times.

That was the deal he made with god when god asked how many times
the lazy of mind would ask him why he calls himself by the name he was given...And not the generic 'i' ever sob uses.

you are 1003
Sorry

Occam

[Hikaru Zero]

This place seems an appropriate place for this. =)

About a year ago, I tried weed (henceforth referred to as Herb =P) for the first time, and, like all of you, it opened my mind to huge possibilities.

A little afterward, I tried another herb (without the capital H) called Salvia divinorum.

After a shaky experience, I was out in the woods as the effects started to wear off. Then, like an information overload, I had a pretty detailed realization, which I want to share with you:

Imagine a tree; evergreen, whatever, it doesn't matter. One with a peak and a trunk. You start out on the bottom. There's grass and mud, and it's pretty dirty if you try to climb it. So, up we go, climbing the tree now, and we get onto our first branch. You're a little higher up than you used to be standing on the ground, so you can see a little farther into the distance. If you look up, you might be able to see part of the top of the tree.

Now imagine the tree as a symbolic figure. The peak of the tree represents Truth, and every branch represents a paradigm viewpoint.

My realization is this: As human beings born into a human society, we are somewhere out on a branch. We can move around the branch, just as our viewpoints tend to change with time, but there are few people who ever manage to climb up to the next branch. But regardless, your view of the top (Truth) is always obscured by other branches, because you are only on a low branch. So you only see a small side of Truth.

For me, smoking Herb for the first time was a paradigm shift; it marked the first point where I grabbed hold of another branch, and swung to that. From there, I could see a different side of Truth; it wasn't the complete opposite side, so there were similarities with the Truth that each one of us sees from a normal perspective. But there were also things that you couldn't see from the other branch.

When I tried Salvia, this is what I realized; psychoactives are like the branches on such a tree. Every branch represents a different mindset with a different point of view. A person who has been exposed to more than one mindset, begins to gain the ability to switch between the two at their own will. At first, they have to induce swinging to the other branch by using the psychoactive, but with enough exposure, their mindset changes, and they begin to see Truth from both perspectives.

On this Earth, composed of carbon and oxygen and nitrogen and many other materials, we evolved as a species that thinks on an oxygen- and nitrogen-based brain. As we develop from a baby, we begin to "get used to" the "high" of the real world, as we learn about it. Eventually, we can look up and see truth with a functional mind. However, when we expose ourselves to other chemicals; THC, salvinorin-A, theobromine, 4-acetyl-morphine, whatever ... when we expose ourselves to these things, our brains radically shift into a new mindset, and gains a new perspective on the nature of such things as ... perspective, Truth, and many other concepts.

Dr. Shullgin, reknowned psychoactive scientist, has shown that carbon dioxide and oxygen, when inhaled in different quantities than we are used to, can produce psychoactive effects that have been described as "LSD-like" and "morphine-like," respectively. It seems true that we are just "used to" the content of chemicals in the air, and we have become tolerant of the psychoactive effects low doses of such chemicals, much like one gains a tolerance to heroin.

By swinging from branch to branch and exposing our minds to these new perspectives, we start to see many more sides of Truth that were once obscured by the branches we couldn't grab onto. However, some branches are not worth swinging to (like crack in my opinion), because they are too weak to support your weight, or because they will snap off the tree. So you must always be conscious as to what branches you move to.

Regardless, now imagine if our world was filled with, instead of nitrogen, THC, or perhaps instead of carbon, silicon? Our brains would have evolved differently, to have a different viewpoint towards Truth. And then, perhaps, we might have different psychoactives that can give us even more different perspectives.

I view the world of psychoactives as branches on the tree of life. You should be careful what branches you use to climb to the top (where you will finally be able to see Truth in a mostly unobscured way), but in order to see more Truth than you are normally able, you must expose your mind to chemically forced paradigm shifts, and learn from those shifts.

Comments, thoughts, or flames? =P

[Colours]

you dont think its purely coincidental that some herbs alter our state of consciousness, just like poison ivy gives us a rash, or aloe soothes a wound?

i believe that if there is a higher truth, ie something outside of our universe, earth is just an insignificant part of it. we're so small compared to our universe, let alone what could be outside of it; what would we matter in the grand scheme of things? I see our life, which randomly generated on Earth, as just a smaller part of a greater whole, but not in the sense that we are essential to the whole. Were just along for the ride, and we serve no real purpose.

[Hikaru Zero]

you dont think its purely coincidental that some herbs alter our state of consciousness, just like poison ivy gives us a rash, or aloe soothes a wound?

i believe that if there is a higher truth, ie something outside of our universe, earth is just an insignificant part of it. we're so small compared to our universe, let alone what could be outside of it; what would we matter in the grand scheme of things? I see our life, which randomly generated on Earth, as just a smaller part of a greater whole, but not in the sense that we are essential to the whole. Were just along for the ride, and we serve no real purpose.

I do think it is purely coincidental, but in coincidental in such a way that it makes sense that most substances would be psychoactive, but the ones that are normally in our bodies we would generate a tolerance towards.

I also see our life as randomly generated, but we get to give it purpose and meaning instead of some God doing that for us. That alone is a difficult and frightful task, but ... hey, it's what we got.

[Zion]

Once one can see their own existence they shall now that they exist. Looking at the world from gratreful prospective is the way to see beyond oneself. Pot provides a good medium between the self and reality, or necesity and vanity

[thumontico]

Well said Hikaru Zero

[mati]

A good reason to move from dirty polluted cities to a place with fresher air. I like to view the expansion of consciousness as the shedding of delusions. Our awareness during unstoned daily life has been clouded over with concerns about ego and mechanistic assumptions. When stoned, these disappear and we can see more clearly. It is not always the case though that, when stoned, one can glimpse the truth-other assumptions can also be blocking the way. It is only when we are free of all of these that we can see that (as nagarjuna put it), nothing exists, whether of ourselves or others, or nothing whatsoever. And if you can live with that, all the better. But most of us can only hope to do so a couple hours or so a week with the help of pschedelics. But living close by is not so bad either.

[Occam]

A good reason to move from dirty polluted cities to a place with fresher air. I like to view the expansion of consciousness as the shedding of delusions. Our awareness during unstoned daily life has been clouded over with concerns about ego and mechanistic assumptions. When stoned, these disappear and we can see more clearly. It is not always the case though that, when stoned, one can glimpse the truth-other assumptions can also be blocking the way. It is only when we are free of all of these that we can see that (as nagarjuna put it), nothing exists, whether of ourselves or others, or nothing whatsoever. And if you can live with that, all the better. But most of us can only hope to do so a couple hours or so a week with the help of pschedelics. But living close by is not so bad either.
Mati...

Pretty intense man. Lighten up...

Occam moved from the city.
So he could see trees.

Occam

[TrippinBTM]

I view the world of psychoactives as branches on the tree of life. You should be careful what branches you use to climb to the top (where you will finally be able to see Truth in a mostly unobscured way), but in order to see more Truth than you are normally able, you must expose your mind to chemically forced paradigm shifts, and learn from those shifts.

Comments, thoughts, or flames? =P
First off, hell of a post man, great points, and a pretty cool metaphor.

I think it's interesting, the idea that we can get stoned on oxygen or CO2. I'll have to try that out some time, haha. ;)

I agree with your metaphor, with psychadelics being like branches of the tree that give different perspective. But not all the branches would be drugs, right? Experiences with people could be, or with death, love, etc. Lots of things can cause a shift in perspective, some minorly some majorly (small and big branches).

I guess the point would be to climb to the top and behold the unobscured Truth (though in reality, it's not really possible to stand at the top of a tree: too weak. Well, no metaphor is perfect). So we have to learn how to move in the tree, first off. A powerful experience of perspective-shifting might be the push we need (getting high worked well enough for me, in conjunction with some other events). But it isn't the end. Like you said, you learn to move between branches. I'd add to that the fact that you have to learn which way is up. Branches like Cocaine or Hate end up either breaking off and falling, or simply hanging down in the dirt. Many people seem to be stuck on their branch, trying to, like we're trying to get to the top, get to the end of it but end up falling off when they get there. Learning which way is up is vital. Maybe drugs don't only give you new perspectives on the top of the tree (truth), but also let you see what's wrong with what you're doing (on your branch).

[Beautiful_Day]

There are many ways to reach that place (state of mind)...Buddhas call it englightenment and use mediatation. science says meditation causes the brain to release alpha waves that change brain pattern output significantly and permanently changes it in dedicated meditators, this is said to have the result of making a person less prone to stress, depression, anxiety etc...basically a permanent change (for the better) in mindset!!

Ganja changes your state of mind too..Your saying it made you wake up to existentialism and really gave you meaning to live, which is great. Never had that effect on me, guess its different for everyone cuz everyones brain chemistry is different...Science also reckons that weed can alter serotonin levels drastically with prolonged use over many many years, which leads to depression in later life..still i wouldnt take this for gospel as im sure some people are more prone towards depression than others anyway!

I know which i'd choose to make myself think differently, but still I guess it doesnt matter as long as your happy in life :)

[Zion]

When you hear people talk about feeling Irie their refering to the feeling of detachtment
or overall acceptance. But most importantly the appreciation of their existense. Kind of maken this beautiful world even more beautiful. But this term by no means advocates the use of hallucinogens, thats just toying with reality or sleep waking through your waking state

[Freedom_Man]

Hey dudes.

Pot is a drug that alters brain chemistry mildly..

And no more

Occam uses it for fun and enlightenment.
LSD/peyote goes one step further , it interprets the neuroelectric data we call reality in a new way.
Occam can handle that..but many can not.

None of these drugs reveals anything but a new perspective
on reality.
[And our interpretation of the data we get from our senses IS our reality.]
For they effect NOTHING but YOUR brain.
THAT is what occam uses them for.

Many say they 'get out of it to get into it'
But occam has met few that truely do.


Occamok, i have to qoute you and make an opinion.

I've been thinking like that too lately. That these drugs are nothing more than a new perspective on life, not some spiritual enlightenment. Just a way to look at things differently and enjoy a wide variety of different states of mind. some useful things to learn some flat out bullshit.

[ronald Macdonald]

Smoking a fatty one day, I came to perceive the world differently. I didnt know what existentialism was before I had my "moment of clarity", but the feelings I get when I smoke the greenest of green created the questions, from which I searched for the answers (via: google) I found a religion, a philosophy and a way of life. Now I realize that, I only have all the power to choose and do whatever I feel, but I alone must take reponsibility for my actions. It's seems so simple but everyday that I smoke I realize that this "movement" has saved my despair, and absolved my fear of death, and has made me appreciate life.one day, kid, you'll grow up and stop smoking that shit and realise you could have had exactly the same revalation without it and in the bargain could have been employable
who the fuck dya think invented that philosophy of existentialism? a bunch of dope smoking hippies??????????? WA HA HA HA no it was people who had excellent minds and wouldnt corrupt the sensitivity of that finely balanced mnd with a product that is as blunt as a nuns munta

no - get off the shit and find life for real like sartre who you worship did

[shaba]

one day, kid, you'll grow up and stop smoking that shit and realise you could have had exactly the same revalation without it and in the bargain could have been employable
who the fuck dya think invented that philosophy of existentialism? a bunch of dope smoking hippies??????????? WA HA HA HA no it was people who had excellent minds and wouldnt corrupt the sensitivity of that finely balanced mnd with a product that is as blunt as a nuns munta

no - get off the shit and find life for real like sartre who you worship did Well it's been 2 years since I first posted that. Which is hard to grasp. To say that I'm still in the same mindset would be wrong. I've changed. That I know, but looking back to where I was then, I was breaking free of everything. All those building blocks that were used to build my life when I was a child, I was taking down and starting to build my own. And Marijuana was MY (very own) catalyst for change. I still believe that smoking mariajuana made me look at the world differently, and that led me and introduced me to knew philosophies and told me that I wasn't alone in the way I thought and lived my life.

Sure, I could've realised all these things without the influence of marijuana
but when you grew up believing that everything your parents and "god" says is right, is "Right", you might need a lil' pot to open things up.

And by the way nice try on making me feel bad about my own life. But it'll take alot more than your tiny, miniscule, little opinion.

[dacre4]

This place seems an appropriate place for this. =)

About a year ago, I tried weed (henceforth referred to as Herb =P) for the first time, and, like all of you, it opened my mind to huge possibilities.

A little afterward, I tried another herb (without the capital H) called Salvia divinorum.

After a shaky experience, I was out in the woods as the effects started to wear off. Then, like an information overload, I had a pretty detailed realization, which I want to share with you:

Imagine a tree; evergreen, whatever, it doesn't matter. One with a peak and a trunk. You start out on the bottom. There's grass and mud, and it's pretty dirty if you try to climb it. So, up we go, climbing the tree now, and we get onto our first branch. You're a little higher up than you used to be standing on the ground, so you can see a little farther into the distance. If you look up, you might be able to see part of the top of the tree.

Now imagine the tree as a symbolic figure. The peak of the tree represents Truth, and every branch represents a paradigm viewpoint.

My realization is this: As human beings born into a human society, we are somewhere out on a branch. We can move around the branch, just as our viewpoints tend to change with time, but there are few people who ever manage to climb up to the next branch. But regardless, your view of the top (Truth) is always obscured by other branches, because you are only on a low branch. So you only see a small side of Truth.

For me, smoking Herb for the first time was a paradigm shift; it marked the first point where I grabbed hold of another branch, and swung to that. From there, I could see a different side of Truth; it wasn't the complete opposite side, so there were similarities with the Truth that each one of us sees from a normal perspective. But there were also things that you couldn't see from the other branch.

When I tried Salvia, this is what I realized; psychoactives are like the branches on such a tree. Every branch represents a different mindset with a different point of view. A person who has been exposed to more than one mindset, begins to gain the ability to switch between the two at their own will. At first, they have to induce swinging to the other branch by using the psychoactive, but with enough exposure, their mindset changes, and they begin to see Truth from both perspectives.

On this Earth, composed of carbon and oxygen and nitrogen and many other materials, we evolved as a species that thinks on an oxygen- and nitrogen-based brain. As we develop from a baby, we begin to "get used to" the "high" of the real world, as we learn about it. Eventually, we can look up and see truth with a functional mind. However, when we expose ourselves to other chemicals; THC, salvinorin-A, theobromine, 4-acetyl-morphine, whatever ... when we expose ourselves to these things, our brains radically shift into a new mindset, and gains a new perspective on the nature of such things as ... perspective, Truth, and many other concepts.

Dr. Shullgin, reknowned psychoactive scientist, has shown that carbon dioxide and oxygen, when inhaled in different quantities than we are used to, can produce psychoactive effects that have been described as "LSD-like" and "morphine-like," respectively. It seems true that we are just "used to" the content of chemicals in the air, and we have become tolerant of the psychoactive effects low doses of such chemicals, much like one gains a tolerance to heroin.

By swinging from branch to branch and exposing our minds to these new perspectives, we start to see many more sides of Truth that were once obscured by the branches we couldn't grab onto. However, some branches are not worth swinging to (like crack in my opinion), because they are too weak to support your weight, or because they will snap off the tree. So you must always be conscious as to what branches you move to.

Regardless, now imagine if our world was filled with, instead of nitrogen, THC, or perhaps instead of carbon, silicon? Our brains would have evolved differently, to have a different viewpoint towards Truth. And then, perhaps, we might have different psychoactives that can give us even more different perspectives.

I view the world of psychoactives as branches on the tree of life. You should be careful what branches you use to climb to the top (where you will finally be able to see Truth in a mostly unobscured way), but in order to see more Truth than you are normally able, you must expose your mind to chemically forced paradigm shifts, and learn from those shifts.

Comments, thoughts, or flames? =Pomg man i just read this whole thing and i must say that it is fucking Brilliant!! I can highly relate to this post and im sure many others can as well.

[heywood floyd]

I think the whole idea of 'new perspectives' is a way of glorifying yourself for taking something that is basically all about recreation.

For most people, the whole 'spirituality' trip is mostly an ego trip in disguise-- like anyone who takes weed or acid or something suddenly knows what's important for everyone, thereby making them 'better' than others. Have you ever noticed how many hippies think they have all the answers and look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them?

Drugs ALWAYS make you think of yourself as holy, or spiritual, or enlightened, or blessed, or cool, or even just plain great. Or sometimes they make you feel safe, or young, or smart, or sexy. That's WHY people take them! But it's NOT REAL.

If you REALLY want to be a better person, you need to start acting like one. You need to discipline yourself and dedicate yourself to it. There's no easy way to do it.

[dacre4]

I think the whole idea of 'new perspectives' is a way of glorifying yourself for taking something that is basically all about recreation.

For most people, the whole 'spirituality' trip is mostly an ego trip in disguise-- like anyone who takes weed or acid or something suddenly knows what's important for everyone, thereby making them 'better' than others. Have you ever noticed how many hippies think they have all the answers and look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them?

Drugs ALWAYS make you think of yourself as holy, or spiritual, or enlightened, or blessed, or cool, or even just plain great. Or sometimes they make you feel safe, or young, or smart, or sexy. That's WHY people take them! But it's NOT REAL.

If you REALLY want to be a better person, you need to start acting like one. You need to discipline yourself and dedicate yourself to it. There's no easy way to do it.hmm if someone takes weed or acid and suddenly knows whats better for others, than i would say that theyre an idiot, they are certainly not "better than others" because of the use of drugs. But I would say that they are smarter than others in a different sense. The sense of seeing more possibilities in the universe.
I would say that if youre using drugs to "brag" and tell people how cool you are than you are a true douche bag, and shouldve never done drugs in the first place.
But if you have taken a variety of psycotropics than i gurantee that you can understand Hikaru zero's post that just made so much sense to me its amazing. I suspect that heywood hasnt taken enough of psycedelics to truly understand it but i could very well be wrong. But if thats the case and you havent ever taken psycadelics, than i won't value your opinion on this on this topic as much. It is not because i think of myself as "better" but mabey smarter in a way. If however you are experienced with at least a few psycadelics, than i will respect your opinion on this and listen, but i still wont agree.
If you havent done any psycadelics, than i highly reccomend trying out salvia, and if that doesnt change your view on this than try lsd!! i gurantee you will see it from my side.

[heywood floyd]

Yes, I've done LSD a couple of times and mushrooms and pot. And at the time, yes, it definitely felt like it had revolutionized my perspective, but WHERE exactly do these 'new perspectives' take you? What do they amount to besides a lot of pretty colors and mental masturbation???

If you really want to open your mind, I would suggest traveling.

[dacre4]

well when i had my first break through on salvia, that was the most intense shit of my life it doesnt take "me" anywhere, but it takes my soul "state of consciousness" to places that are the most unimaginable. When i did the salvia i could feel my soul being ripped from my body and put into another existence. This was not very pleasant but damn it blew my mind thinking about possibilities that my consciousness can experience.
Then when i did LSD i felt my consciousness experience a new and more happy/beautiful trip that was very unique because i basically saw the most beautiful things imaginable. Of coarse any trip off of most psychedelics are pretty much impossible to explain. But the lsd definately made my world much more colorful and mysterious, and just really enlightened me.
So yeah lsd and salvia are the main spiritual psychedelics that ive done. I have done a fair amount of drugs but those two are really mind expanding. Ive never done dmt, mushrooms, or peyote but i will when i get the opportunity!
And i have traveled alot ive been outside the country only a few times though but ive been to like 20 different states.

[sunyatasamsara]

Cannabis is the true sacrament. It was demonized by some pope along time ago when he decided to make alcohol the sacrament. In Hinduism it is the embodyment of Kali the consort of Shiva. Kali is shakti (energy) and Shiva is the Void, together they represent God. In their religon it is used by ascetics to experience samadhi, yoga, divine union. It can actually work because cannabis takes your awareness from the outside world to the inner (pratyahara).


P.S. Datura is the plant that is the embodyment of their god Shiva.

[Fallout55]

Yes, I've done LSD a couple of times and mushrooms and pot. And at the time, yes, it definitely felt like it had revolutionized my perspective, but WHERE exactly do these 'new perspectives' take you? What do they amount to besides a lot of pretty colors and mental masturbation???

If you really want to open your mind, I would suggest traveling.good advice

[Puffis]

Yeah man! Herb was created to help us think (thankyou JAH) and help bring us towards enlightenment. (as it relates to you)

[Yogi Bhairava]

Enlightenment doesn't relate to you, it instead transcends you.

[Yogi Bhairava]

Cannabis has such strong roots in the Siva Yoga structure because becuase of how it effects the primary yogic modality of prana. It is to be used limitedly but will effect the Kundalini, the female source of prana, as She seeks Her source, Lord Siva. These are some very powerful consciousness modalities, and are not mythological or allegorical.
The best thing is to do the Yoga Sadhana with few drugs.




Cannabis is the true sacrament. It was demonized by some pope along time ago when he decided to make alcohol the sacrament. In Hinduism it is the embodyment of Kali the consort of Shiva. Kali is shakti (energy) and Shiva is the Void, together they represent God. In their religon it is used by ascetics to experience samadhi, yoga, divine union. It can actually work because cannabis takes your awareness from the outside world to the inner (pratyahara).


P.S. Datura is the plant that is the embodyment of their god Shiva.

[Puffis]

Enlightenment doesn't relate to you, it instead transcends you.
Interesting, if you don't mind I would be interested to hear more of your ideas. Peace