guess what... this site is constantly monitored by the FBI, DEA ect.

[bathtubgin420]

not that i would panic or anything, i just woueldent do anything to stupid

Below is the text of a letter I just sent to CBS regarding a special report broadcast by their Sacramento affiliate.

To CBS Management,

We may sue you and your Sacramento affiliate for libel!

On Feb. 15th on the 10pm news, KOVR broadcast a series of libelous lies about our company accusing it of selling illegal drugs to children. This is a very serious allegation, and completely false! We don't sell illegal drugs, we discuss them, as is our right. We are a FREE SPEECH site and pride ourselves on it.

Therefore it was a great disservice to be accused in such a manner without having even tried to contact us to verify the story. This is downright shoddy sensationalist journalism. It's only aim was to malign our reputation (our site has won numerous awards and been featured on many TV shows).

The site whose picture appears with the story online was once an affiliate of ours, and they sell LEGAL herbal products only. In fact their store is a YAHOO store.

Also I can testify that our site is constantly being monitored by the FBI, DEA, NSA and DERA (British Intelligence service), and if there was any illegal activity on our site it would've been shut down long ago (we have been going strong for SIX years now.)

The only reason I can see that your affiliate chose to air these slanderous lies is because they received War on Drug money to do just that!

They didn't check their facts, and now are trying to hide it. I've written 4 emails and the only response I got was one refusing to provide a full transcript. The one online has been edited and our site name removed (no doubt after checking with their attorney!). But we will soon have the video which we intend to hand over to our attorney who specializes in these kinds of cases.

I have requested both an apology and a retraction. I have received no response. That just about clinches the case for us. You too will be named in any suit we file unless I hear a response from your company in short order.

This kind of deception and lies cannot go unchallenged, especially coming from media that is supposed to be unbiased. There were no opposing views presented in this report, by the way.

Is this the STANDARD to which CBS and its affiliates have sunk to in their hysteria over the war on drugs? When a website promoting FREE SPEECH is attacked for providing alternative views? If we and sites like ours didn't exist, then we would hear only ONE SIDE to the story. And believe me there is more than one side, although it appears CBS and their affiliates would like us to only hear theirs.

I hereby demand an apology and a retraction, otherwise I will let our lawyer pursue other avenues.

Here is the URL to the "Partial" transcript of the show. I suggest you review a video of the show to see just how libelous your affiliate was...

http://www.kovr13.com/02feb02/021602a.htm Thank you for your time.
Skip Stone,
webmaster
hippy.com
skip@hippy.com

[StonerBill]

umm

where in that post is there any evidence to say that the DEA are regulating this site and will track down people who could be convicted?



you think anyone here gives a shit ?

good that you sent that letter and all, but a post like this comes up like once a month and it really doesnt stir anyone

Emily Leon / Teenager: "I think it's like a really a bad idea because it could, like, ruin their future."

]hhaahah^

anyway isnt this all about sites that sell weed? this one doesnt

thank you

i like your sig pic hehe its such a great symbol, it should be on the hipforums banner

[SagaciousKJB2]

Bill, you'd be surprised how much of a scary thing it actually is, and yes, they do have cops and DEA monitoring sites like this. I don't know about Hipforums specifically, as it's kind of small in terms of marijuana, but sites like OverGrow are targeted pretty harshly. There's even been several people there busted because they posted too many pictures of their grow ops, and the police were able to trace them.

[Becknudefck]

thats fucked up.

[bathtubgin420]

i didnt write that document, skip did. i just posted it to let people know because ive seen the monitoring question floating around quite a bit, and i ran into that article, so i posted it. why should i care if anyone here gives a shit in the first place? i just posted it for the hell of it. it just shows what a nosy bunch of ignorant bastards we have that run this damn country

[Jointman69]

well, it is of some use to us in the USA, ive suspected there have been a couple cops on here in the last week or so.

[Agent_Orange83]

umm

where in that post is there any evidence to say that the DEA are regulating this site and will track down people who could be convicted?

Uhh, maybe it was the part where Skip said "Our site is constantly being monitored by the FBI, DEA, NSA and DERA (British Intelligence service)."

[Takemenow]

i think police have better things to do then bust 16-25 year olds who talk about pot on the net. for all anyone knows all of what any of us say could be complet bullshit.. i could tell u im sitting on 3lbs of pot and really i could never have smoked the shit befor in my life.. so really it seems like a waste of time effort and taxpayer money if u ask me

[Agent_Orange83]

To basically monitor the thoughts/lingo/actions/etc. of thousands of drug users by spending a few hours on a website would not be a waste of time or energy for any law enforcement agency by any means.

[grow your own music]

i think police have better things to do then bust 16-25 year olds who talk about pot on the net. for all anyone knows all of what any of us say could be complet bullshit.. i could tell u im sitting on 3lbs of pot and really i could never have smoked the shit befor in my life.. so really it seems like a waste of time effort and taxpayer money if u ask me
waste of time effort and taxpayer money....that's what cops in the u.s. do best....:p

[Agent_Orange83]

waste of time effort and taxpayer money....that's what cops in the u.s. do best....:p
Really.

[TrippinBTM]

They probably pay more attention to the political stuff on these forums than us talking about weed. Either way, they can't really do anything about it because talk is cheap, as the saying goes.

[Turn]

I got pmed by a guy with zero posts asking where I buy drugs on the internet, I said I didn't and got no response, so yeah cops are reading this.

[Sunshine Daydreams]

Well hopefully that's why we don't name names, cities, or other personal identification info... and we don't post pics that can incriminate us. And we don't agree to buy bud from anyone who PM's us, and we don't go meeting anyone....

at least hopefully we don't do these things.... I sure as hell am not.

[Raving Sultan]

I wonder if cops go to donut forums and talk about pastry culture on their time off?

[Rafaela]

Well I think the cops would be pretty dumb to come on a site liek this for 'leads'. We all live in such scattered states and even different countries so it's not like they can herd us and arrest anybody. Plus! like nikki said people here can just lie there is no credibility in a forum like this.

[Takemenow]

yea i would only be worried if i had like a huge grow op going on..but then again to tell everyone tha u live in such and such a place and then say my name is timmy hand heres me waving infront of my grow op..rate my pics.. u pretty much should be arrested...cuz yea its like walking around with a big sign sayin pick me i want to be ass raped in prision

[Jabbawaya]

I'd venture a guess it's just a load of crap. The government has much better things to do than monitor some forum that discusses drugs. What are they going to find here, you think? Absolutely nothing of value. There's no reason to be afraid or anything, unless you really just want to worry yourself for no reason. The government wouldn't care about something like this, it's just pointless.

[Duck]

Uhh, maybe it was the part where Skip said "Our site is constantly being monitored by the FBI, DEA, NSA and DERA (British Intelligence service)."
He said it, that doesn't prove anything

[grow your own music]

Well I think the cops would be pretty dumb to come on a site liek this for 'leads'. We all live in such scattered states and even different countries so it's not like they can herd us and arrest anybody. Plus! like nikki said people here can just lie there is no credibility in a forum like this.
your a cutie...and that's no lie...:p

[digitalldj]

I got pmed by a guy with zero posts asking where I buy drugs on the internet, I said I didn't and got no response, so yeah cops are reading this.
pfft yea for sure cops are reading this :P

cops are not fucking stupid enough to ask somone straight up like that, do u think they would expect an answer like "oh ya, i buy from billy tucker, he lives on 10582 blue street, in a yellow house, knock on the door 3 times for weed, 2 times for crack."


idiot.

[Jointman69]

u dont have to be paranoid DJ you live in canada...us americans got no rights when it comes to drugs

[TrippinBTM]

I'd venture a guess it's just a load of crap. The government has much better things to do than monitor some forum that discusses drugs. What are they going to find here, you think? Absolutely nothing of value. There's no reason to be afraid or anything, unless you really just want to worry yourself for no reason. The government wouldn't care about something like this, it's just pointless.Haha, your cute. Just what do you really think our government is doing? Important stuff? Yeah right. Mainly just trying to stay rich by keeping the common man down, mainly through the War on Drugs-like things. They waste more time, effort and money than any other person or group that I can think of, but it's our money, not theirs, so they don't care.

[Agent_Orange83]

I dont see how this is debatable, "Skip" the webmaster here at Hippy.com said in his own words that they monitor the site. Many many people here have gotten those suspicious messages asking about buying pot. Maybe the cops think there is a secret message board on the web wear it has growers supplying people in america with pot. And i still dont understand the whole "too much time/money/effort for the cops" theory. How much time/money/effort do u put in to surfing these forums each day?

Imagine this.. a huge glass box full of thousands of drug users, dealers, smugglers, growers, etc.. dont you think the cops would occasionally peek into that box and observe them for whatever reason?

[greengoddess]

i think police have better things to do then bust 16-25 year olds who talk about pot on the net. for all anyone knows all of what any of us say could be complet bullshit.. i could tell u im sitting on 3lbs of pot and really i could never have smoked the shit befor in my life.. so really it seems like a waste of time effort and taxpayer money if u ask me
I completely agree with you.

[StonerBill]

i wasnt denying that they werent looking at the sites, i was denying that they are doing substantial effort to actually bust people

[Skip]

A lot has happened since I wrote that letter. For one thing we DID get an apology of sorts from the HEAD of the NIDA who claimed they had no problem with our site. (He was interviewed for the story & his voice was the voiceover used when our site was shown, saying you could buy drugs on the net). The company who produced the story removed any mention of us including the images of our site from the story & informed all their affiliates that the story had been updated.

We did get a huge increase in traffic each time that story aired in various cities around the country. Guess that means a LOT of people wanted to buy drugs over the net! It was great publicity, but unfortunately a lie that we couldn't let lie.

As far as monitoring the site, I'm sure it still goes on, but it seems mostly by wannabe narcs who think they're gonna make some big local bust, oblivious to the international nature of these kinds of websites. The days of the British helping the Americans by spying on Americans I believe is finally over. The US no longer needs British spies since the US government has new domestic (terror) laws that permit them to spy on anyone anytime, without even needing a court warrant anymore. (before the Patriot Act it was illegal for the US to spy on Americans without good cause & a courts approval).

Any American wishing to post up images & info should check into using a proxy server. That makes you pretty much untraceable.

And since our server is in Amsterdam it is nearly impossible for the DEA to get approval to monitor this site directly with a box (Eschelon style), and they really don't need that anymore anyway.

[all_rhodesian_reject]

thats fucked up.Thats america kiddo :H

[deadsilence020]

Emily Leon / Teenager: "I think it's like a really a bad idea because it could, like, ruin their future."

^^^LMFAO... Like, I dont think, like, I should be on this, like... site, like, you know? Im afraid of like, the damage it could, like, do to me, so im gonna, like, go home and, like, suck a fat chode, cuz like, im in danger and all you know like?

[deadsilence020]

do u think they would expect an answer like "oh ya, i buy from billy tucker, he lives on 10582 blue street, in a yellow house, knock on the door 3 times for weed, 2 times for crack."
LMFAO.... exactly

[2cesarewild]

You people who think law enforcement doesn't have people checking up on sites like this are naive... they do whatever they can to ENFORCE THE LAW. Yea it sounds fucking stupid since a lot of people who post on here are users not dealers... it is just their job, and they get all hot and bothered when the law is being broken. Also, they get an 'inside' peak at the drug culture that they know so little about...

[fountains of nay]

I hope the pigs start cracking down on perverts and paedophiles rather than busting a few harmless stoners.

[mellow]

You people who think law enforcement doesn't have people checking up on sites like this are naive... they do whatever they can to ENFORCE THE LAW. Yea it sounds fucking stupid since a lot of people who post on here are users not dealers... it is just their job, and they get all hot and bothered when the law is being broken. Also, they get an 'inside' peak at the drug culture that they know so little about...
yeah maybe they'll see that we're not bad people after all...

I hope the pigs start cracking down on perverts and paedophiles rather than busting a few harmless stoners.true that, shows you where the priorities of the government lay :rolleyes:

[vardo]

not only do they monitor whos looking up what,they create "subversive"sites to see wholl look em up.

[meangreen]

Should I get all balled up inside about that.Use your brain and you will come to the conclusion that the revenue required to monitor and then track down and busting someone is not going to happen.Take your paranoia somewhere else.

[sm0key42o8]

The point of this thread should be about how this site was slandered by a network news agency and not how we are monitored....