Deja Vu

[nirgal]

I had a couple today, and several more over the past week. They seem to cluster and then there will be long periods with none. What's it like for y'all?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I get 'em when something is about to happen or is happening that triggers an emotion or situation from my dreaming.

I've been watching them happen since I was about ten, some of the places that I have them I still remember even though it's just a 'flash'...

I've been having them alot too lately, they remind me of how meteor belts happen.

[dhs]

Have I seen this thread before?

[Scholar_Warrior]

Shoot! Not Again!

[nirgal]

I had a couple today, and several more over the past week. They seem to cluster and then there will be long periods with none. What's it like for y'all?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Andy has been giving me strong ones lately.

...and my house. It is the same one I 'saw/felt' when we lived in Pa. backin 95. It's like walking through a smell that gets stronger the closer it get's to being 'Done';)

That's when you hear the 'Ding' and Time/space crystalizes:dupe:

Whatsa 'dupe'?

[Scholar_Warrior]

your "subconscious" is telling your "conscious" to give up control of your self. you are becoming prepared to surrender illusion to reality. what is meaningful will overcome the meaningless daily dream....

wake up! :)


(I know, I'm trying to follow this advice too!)

I am learning to do this in my sleeping dreams in preparation to do it in my waking dreams. It's good practice. ;)

Be Love

[Scholar_Warrior]

http://www.brainydictionary.com/words/du/dupe157756.html

[nirgal]

Oh my.... this is from before... :eek:

did we get a do over?

[Scholar_Warrior]

"....there's a glitch in the matrix."

[HoneySuckleBlue]

It all comes around;)


To me it feels like coming to a place I have only dreampt of, but that place feels more real than any of what I am surrounded by...so yeah Gil, surrendering illusion to reality.

Though to me it's like following a scent, the more I do that is in synch with the origin of the scent the more of it can come through, until finaly I am living that reality instead of this one. :) being people is weird. We are transdimensional all over lapped.

[Scholar_Warrior]

supposedly, past present and future are all happening at the same "time." but I could never get my mind around that. I guess deja vu is a bit of a mindless glimpse at reality. 'dunno fer sure.

[sylvanlightning]

Sheewww, crazy... thats where you remember a parallel universe and experience the other person that looks & talks just like you,
so of course deja vu feels familiar. ;)


The Wheel Edie Brickell lyrics


'Somewhere there's somebody who looks just like you do,
Acts just like you do.. feels the same way..
Somewhere there's a person in a far away place,
With a different name and a face that looks like you...

Do ya think about who it might be?
Do ya wonder where you are?
In a distant foreign country,
Ridin' round in another car.

Wheels keep on turning and turning and turning
And nothings disturbing the way they go around.
Wheels keep on turning and turning and turning
And nothings disturbing the way it goes around.

All your thoughts are in another head,
Your dreams are sleeping in a different bed.
The force that moves you is a circular breath,
Of life and death going round and round and round.

Wheels keep on turning and turning and turning
And nothings disturbing the way they go around.
Wheels keep on turning and turning and turning
And nothings disturbing the way it goes around.

Maybe you ride a different wave,
Maybe you catch another ray of the sun,
that I've just begun to feel.
Back and forth and back and forth and back and forth around again.
Again.. and again...

Wheels keep on turning and turning and turning
and nothings disturbing the way it goes around. (x4)

Back and forth and back and forth and back and forth around again.'

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Wheels. What a brilliant illumination dear one:)



Does'nt that really stretch and bend your thinking to fully embrace that you are many places simultaneously?

[sylvanlightning]

* ponders avatars * :nopity:

'With "Robots Avatars dealing with Virtual Illusions", the author, Franz Fischnaller explores an enigmatic -networked - robotics narrative, with the use of Virtual Reality and the Internet. The visualization display and interface solutions have been designed and developed specifically for this piece.

Koala, Ying and Yang, creatures of ambivalent nature with post-realist behaviors are the personages of this ‘Telematic arena’. Koala, a robot that lives in a broken labyrinth, can only dream through Ying, his alter ego and avatar, which exist in a virtual terrain that reproduces his broken labyrinth and the metaphor of a virtual dream. They have a relationship yet one inhabits the "real" world, and the other inhabits the "virtual". Koala and Ying coexist and interact from and within a two layered-space, the "real" and the "virtual", which juxtaposed give form to a third layered-space, the “oniric”. The "oniric" compresses and extends simultaneously and infinitely, juxtaposing “virtual" and "real" realities. Yang, the third personage, is an avatar who dreams in virtual illusions, within the limbo of ten cyber cities contained in one unique matrix: The "Mother City".

Both mobility and autonomous behavior played key roles in this work and were also quite symbolic: the physical robot and its mobility are symbols of the real, visible world, while the behavior of the robot serves as a link between the physical and virtual worlds connecting the robot/avatar and the visitor.

"Robots Avatars dealing with Virtual Illusions", presents users with the possibility of the double bodily substitution. The physical body remains in the physical world while the virtual body occupies diverse layers of space in the virtual world. Body/mind duality actualizes its unified potential within the cyber terrain. Touching directly upon visitors’ cognitive and sensory processes, it presents an experience that can raise the mental state of the mind to new plateaus via a simultaneous bi-locating of oneself.'

[HoneySuckleBlue]

The time will come

When with elation,
You will greet yourself arriving
at your own door...

~Derek Walcott, from "Love after Love"


The "oniric" compresses and extends simultaneously and infinitely, juxtaposing “virtual" and "real" realities.

When we look into what that dis-satisfaction, that background unsatisfactoriness actually is, when we are drawn to actually question and look into "who is suffering?" in thism oment, we are undertakingan exploration of another dimension of reality altogether-one that offers unrecognised but ever-available freedom from the confining prison of the conventional thought world, even as we pay it it's due and continue to recognize it's now more limited and potentially less limiting exostence. Our very interest in freedom from suffering and in not causing suffering unnecessarily and unwittingly becomes a doorway into realizing a new dimension in being and an expanded way of living, based onthe primacy of relationality and interconnectedness.

The process feels like nothing other than an awakening from a consensus trance, a dream world, and thus all of a sudden aquiring multiple degrees of freedom, many more options for seeing and responding and for meeeting wholeheartedly and with mindfulness whatever situations we find ourselves in, that before we might have just reacted to out of deeply embedded and conditioned habits. It is akin to the transition from a twodimensional "flatland" into a thrid spacial dimension, at right angles (orthogonal) to the other two. Everything opens up, although the two "old" dimensions are the same as they always were, just less confining.

Just by asking, for instance, "who is feeling insecure, or unwanted, or lost?" "Who does'nt want what is happening to be happening?" "Who is frightened?" "Who is thinking?" or "What am I?" we are initiating nothing less than a rotation in conciousness into another 'dimension', ortogonal conventional reality, and thus able to pertain at the same time as the more more conventional one because you have simply "added more space". Nothing needs to change . It's just that your world immediately becomes a lot bigger, and more real. Everything old looks different because it is now being seen in a new light-an awareness that no longer confined by the conventional dimensionality and mind set.

As for change, it is always happening anyway. Often impeding natural change and growth through our own efforts to force things to be a certain way, which actually contracts the reality, keeps us locked in the conditioned mind and our conditioned views, by collapsing those other dimensions and options that offer us new degrees of freedom in both our inner and outer landscapes.

When you have an experience of rotating in consciousness so that your world does all of a sudden feel bigger and more real, you are catching a glimpse of what Buddhists refer to as absolute or ultimate reality, a dimensionality that is beyond conditioning but that is capable of recognising conditioning as it arises. It is awareness it's self, the knowing capacity of mind itself, beyond a knower and what is known, just knowing.

This expanded universe of freedom is the promise of mindfulness both in our individual lives and in the world. In the world, it can involve a rotation in conciousness on the part of many people in a relatively short time. Such a shift can immediately revealthe nature of a difficult situation in a newlight, in all its complexity and it's simplicity with added dimensions of and degrees of freedom and possibility...for new insight, for wise action, and for healing. That is what an orthogonal perspective offers. That is what mindfulness offers...insight into what is most fundamental and most important, and most easily forgotten or lost. The conventional reality is not "wrong". It is merely incomplete. And therein lies the source of both our suffering and our liberation from suffering.

[sylvanlightning]

Greetings to my fellow spectragon facets http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Spectragon: Holographic Universe
Holographic Universehttp://www.newciv.org/pic/nl/artpic/203/000203-000008.gif25 May 2003 @ 03:32, by Christopher Puccini

'The following are some selected quotes from The book, Holographic Universe, by Michael Talbot. Personally I think this type of a shift to this type of paradigm will be key in enabling mankind to emerge to a higher role in the universe.

Considered together, Bohm and Pribram's theories provide a profound new way of looking at the world: Our brains mathematically construct objective reality by interpreting frequencies that are ultimately projections from another dimension, a deeper order of existence that is beyond both space and time: The brain is a hologram folded in a holographic universe.

For Pribram, this synthesis made him realize that the objective world does not exist, at least not in the way we am accustomed to believing. What is "out there" is a vast ocean of waves and frequencies, and reality looks concrete to us only because our brains are able to take this holographic blur and convert it into the sticks and stones and other familiar objects that make up our world. How is the brain (which itself is composed of frequencies of matter) able to take something as insubstantial as a blur of frequencies and make it seem solid to the touch? "The kind of mathematical process that Bekesy simulated with his vibrators is basic to how our brains construct our image of a world out there," Pribram states. In other words, the smoothness of a piece of fine china and the feel of beach sand beneath our feet are really just elaborate versions of the phantom limb syndrome.

According to Pribram this does not mean there aren't china cups and grains of beach sand out there. It simply means that a china cup has two very different aspects to its reality. When it is filtered through the lens of our brain it manifests as a cup. But if we could get rid of our lenses, we'd experience it as an interference pattern. Which one is real and which is illusion? "Both are real to me," says Pribram, "or, if you want to say, neither of them are real."

This state of affairs is not limited to china cups. We, too, have two very different aspects to our reality. We can view ourselves as physical bodies moving through space. Or we can view ourselves an a blur of interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram. Bohm believes this second point of view might even be the more correct, for to think of ourselves as a holographic mind/brain looking at a holographic universe is again an abstraction, an attempt to separate two things that ultimately cannot be separated.

Do not be troubled if this is difficult to grasp. It is relatively easy to understand the idea of holism in something that is external to us, like an apple in a hologram. What makes it difficult is that in this case we an not looking at the hologram. We are part of the hologram.'

[Bee_Rain]

you know, I read somewhere, and I can't remember where dammit, but deja vu's were supposedly a sign we left ourselves when we were in spirit (before we were born) to let ourselves know we were on the path that we chose for ourselves.

It's weird because whenever I have one, for that split second it's like "oh my God, I've been here/done that/seen that before." But then another split second passes and its gone. I no longer have a connection to that once familiar moment.

[Scholar_Warrior]

Much love Bee!

I don't remember why I feel such a kinship with you, but I do!

Much love to you and your Clan!

[sylvanlightning]

you know, I read somewhere, and I can't remember where dammit, but deja vu's were supposedly a sign we left ourselves when we were in spirit (before we were born) to let ourselves know we were on the path that we chose for ourselves.
Well said. :)

[Bee_Rain]

Awww! Blowin a kiss *mwuahh* Love you too brother.:)


We probably knew each other in a past life.

Oh wait! Your borrowed my rock wheel remember? you told me it fell off the cliff when you were brontosaurus hunting, but then I found out you really traded it for a fig leaf thong!

Oh Gil. I trusted you.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Heehee oh how I have missed you and that great sense of humor:) I have been coming across your posts all evening and chuckeling each time. What a joy.