Full Spectrum lighting

[Chaotic]

So is getting a full spectrum lighting fixture that burns both HPS and metal halide bulbs actually worth it?? or is a waiste of energy?
in the 500w system they use two 250w bulbs "One of Each" has anyone used these? and pros? any cons?
http://www.discount-hydro.com/superspectrum.asp

[b1v2w3]

For under $200 you can get a 250WMH or HPS. If you have the freedom to grow in two separate areas you can veg in one with MH and flower in the other one with the HPS. If only one area is available you'd have to stop vegging once you start flowering! In such a set-up your dual bulb system would make sense. You'd still not save much money! Hope this helps. b1
P.S. Check out these people: http://www.pfolighting.com/

[Mud_Hunter]

Chaotic ... Im currently shopping lights....Check out this site.

http://www.insidesun.com/

[b1v2w3]

Just checked it out:slow loading!
Great prices so to see. Let us know how you make out. b1

[tiedye0420]

inside sun has probably the worst service on the net.
90 dollars and 90 days later you'll figure it out.
you get what you pay for.
as to dual systems- i hear the buds are more compact and a little stickier grown under dual spectrum systems.
one of the boys here, has one and swears by it.
im considering adding 800 to 1200 watts of halide- i really like the spectral analysis on those new hortilux blue bulbs. im now running a flourex in one area of my hps budchamber -the plants in range of the flourex have a healthier look all around.
im gonna add two or three 400 watt halides before too long.
but im a little insane, i love my nugs and want to give them all i can give- so they can be all they can be.
tiedye

[tiedye0420]

discount is one of the more reliable outfits, good prices on high quality merchandise.
ya get what you pay for.

[Mud_Hunter]

Really....inside sun? I know GuySmiley has had good luck with them....but i personally have never used them. Ive ordered lights from http://www.ezhydrokit.com/ and had great luck....but there not as inexpensive as inside sun. Any other bad experinces with inside sun?

[b1v2w3]

I've only dealt with PFO and have nothing but the best of experiences to report. b1

[tiedye0420]

i only get supplies from the nearest hydro supplier in town. it is about a 45 mile drive and i got my goods in hand. my 600watt hps radiant ballasts, with daystar a/c hoods- glass included,and hortilux bulbs , they cost me right around 500 each, came with a five year warranty on the ballasts. i think they were worth every penny.
i spent around two k on my upgrade- and i have never been happier.
i'll have 3 to 7 pounds before this cycle is over.
hydrofarm uses advanced ballasts- if you want a cheap system google advanced ballasts, and buy a do it yourself ballast kit for 60 to 90 bucks.
then you'll have high quality for a unreal price- but you'll have to rig a ballast box up and hardwire it all in.
i was thinking about doing that for my halides [next upgrade] but i got a price of 371.00 for the 400 w daystar with 'new blue' hortilux bulbs.
hoods and bulbs are both over 100 bucks [quality a/c hoods anyways] so figure 250 for a daystar hood and good bulb. 90 bucks for a ballast before shipping.
add it all up ,and im not gonna save any more than 30 bucks trying to rig up my own ballast. heck with that i'll pay the 371 for a air cooled system.

my 600's can run 9 inches from the canopy- providing more available lumens to the plant than a 1,000 watt halide would at two foot away.yeild is directly proportionate to available lumens- not just lumens.
that's my story and im stickin to it.
if ya want a little smoke from a rat ass hobby grow- go inside sun.
if you are serously cosidering doing this m.j. growing for a few years, plan on spending a couple grand on decent eqipment. i bet my soil grow can compare to some of the hydro grows out there.[probly not lumpy's though l.o.l. not sure i havent seen pics yet- you gotta refresh me memory on your o.g. handle lumpy]
it's all about the hoods bro.
do you want a car that spits and sputters and backfires all the time- sounds like it's running on three cylanders at best.[cheap bargain ballast]
or do ya want a mazzerati [hydrofarm,sunsystem,pl lighting.]
the choice is yours.

[GuySmiley]

^^^^I paid $115, including shipping, for my 250 HPS from Inside Sun (The light setup was $90). I purchased it 2 years ago and it runs wonderfully. Inside Sun has good merchandise, Mike just isn't awesome at customer satisfaction. No one complains about his products, they are great. I do agree that his service can be less than desireable.

I am highly offended by your comments about "Rat Ass Grows", that comment is directed at people who buy from Inside Sun....and I am one of those people. You are looking to get 3-7 pounds from your grows....in my opinion that is NOT hobby growing for your own quality smoke. You sound like a dealer. Anyone that is not growing for cash, IS a hobby grower. I have been a "hobby" grower for 4 years now and very rarely have to purchase any smoke (Maybe 1-2 times a year if I am am in between harvests).

[Mud_Hunter]

so Chaotic ... u growing for personal use ...or growing for profit?

[tiedye0420]

i personally smoke over an ounce a week, my girlfriend smokes sometimes twice that. have a freiend or two drop in for a duber here and there. you are talkin 1/4 pound a week gets smoked in my household. if i cycle every 3-4 months allowing veg time, i actually need a minimum of 3 pounds.
i myself had a ratass grow most of last year,im tired of growing yet never even having time to cure properly because medication is needed immidiately in this household, and if i happen to get a little bit extra after harvest it will be fully deserved and earned. it is actually legal for medical growers to compensate expenses, but i do not sell at all. i am offended at you accusing me of drug dealing when i am a medical grower with legal status to grow.
if the statement of rat ass grows offends you than get some more wattage you'll be happy with your harvest.
and guy, if the shoe fit's wear it
but im tired of seeing you get all uppity with newbies, this site is for newbies as well as show offs. i like to show off myself. but we need to pass on the knowledge we have gained here, however trialsome it may be.let's not get shitty about it, when all you really have is a 250 watt closet setup, it makes you look bad to have such a attitude like you get.
imho
tiedye
who got tired of having a 'rat ass grow'

[WayfaringStranger]

ive always been poor, when i had lights i got them when DIY went out of buisness. 2 400 watt HPS and 3 250 watt metal halides, i think i spent 150 bux (everything was 70% off) i liked combining them, i kept one 250 halide and a 70 watt Hps in the veggie, and everyone else in flower. had to do some wiring to get them to work indoor(they were outdoor security lights) and to run off 120 and had to make my own reflectors, ive never looked at pro lights, are they very expensive?

[tiedye0420]

i smoke 1/4 a day if i got it 'a-plenty' in need 2 pounds just for my head every 120 days
she has chronic pain 'degenerative disc disease' and need three pounds every cycle as well. i pray to god we get at least five pounds from this grow.

[WayfaringStranger]

i smoke 1/4 a day if i got it 'a-plenty' in need 2 pounds just for my head every 120 days
she has chronic pain 'degenerative disc disease' and need three pounds every cycle as well. i pray to god we get at least five pounds from this grow.amazing, i rarely smoke anymore, and yet youre typing more complete sentences than i do. pot is miraculous, how bout sendin me some?

[tiedye0420]

yeah my hydrofarm daystar a/c 600 watt hps were 500 each.
but running 1200 watts 9 inches from the canopy should compensate radically for the added expense.
my 430 uncooled needs to be 16-18 inches or i get hotspots on a couple plants.
it is all relative i cannot see how a batwing reflector would come even close to being 1/2 as good as a daystar a/c hood.
im serious you get what you pay for.

[tiedye0420]

im gonna end up having to spend about five grand just for truesine wave inverter systems, this growing weed thing just costs a lot of cash if your serious about it.
add about 4500 for a 6500 watt generator.
just to get backup power and avoid getting hermies from power outtages.
better than buying weed from some drug dealer though.

[Mud_Hunter]

So anyone that smokes less than you, has less wattage than you and doesnt have a GF that smokes 2 ounces a week "YIKES" is a "Rat Ass"? I can not see how you can call someone who just wants to grow a couple of plants...smokes less than you & really doesnt justify spending that much on wattage a "rat ass". If educating by examble & illustration is consitered a "rat ass" then GS must be one....but i for one, even though he does not have the most optimal primo setup....value his opinon!!!! I like feed back from people just like me....who dont have alot of money...who grows for the experince, not just the smoke.!!!

[WayfaringStranger]

nextime i grow i want to get a generator to do it. you can insulate them to be fairly quiet and you can run a diesel off heated recycled grease. i think thats the way to go nowadays. i do tend to pull off miracles with out spendin to much cash. i actually never had much problem with heat or getting as close as nine inches. i worked out my own cooling system which worked quite well. you seem like you'd know, where to i get(or improvise) a cheap CO2 regulator?

[tiedye0420]

sorry about the madness chaotic
i know one of the people here and have chats with them from time to time.
they have a dual spectrum hood like what you were asking about.[ discount has about the best price on that system i have seen by the way]
they also say nothing they have compares [1,000 watt hps or halide] to the 1,00 watt dual.
overall healthier and bushier- the end product is tighter buds with stickier resins.
im gonna add a couple 400 watt halides and i might get a dual spectrum a/c hood to stick my 430 watt shp and a third 400 halide [just gotta try the new hortilux blue bulbs]into. then all my budroom lamps will be a/c.
i have a 175 watt halide i can then put into my non cooled hood and into a veg chamber i will build ontop of the genetator/inverter battery case.
these are the upgrades outlined for this year- sortof a newyears resolutions to give my girls all they need, because they give me sanity and i love my weed. they deserve all i can give them.
i even gave them my bedroom and i sleep on the couch- total sacrifice ,my back hurts all the time from this hidabed. im building a redwood deck and it kills me to sleep on a hideabed. but my girls get only the best.
f.u.guy, you got personal buddy- but you'll get none of my personal. l.o.l.

[tiedye0420]

hey guys, and chaotic
google hortilux blue halides
take a look at the spectral curves on them suckers
they nearly fill the plant sensitivity curve.
they would be a beautiful healthy addition to any chamber, bud or veg. if your going with a dual system ,go with dual hortilux too.
please report back how it does.

[tiedye0420]

dude i type with two fingers on a keyboard that is sideways so the cats dont jump on it. l.o.l.
cant mail it if your near yosemite gimme a holler, i'll supply the whole baked
for a run to half dome
l.o.l.
amazing, i rarely smoke anymore, and yet youre typing more complete sentences than i do. pot is miraculous, how bout sendin me some?

[GuySmiley]

i personally smoke over an ounce a week, my girlfriend smokes sometimes twice that. have a freiend or two drop in for a duber here and there. you are talkin 1/4 pound a week gets smoked in my household. if i cycle every 3-4 months allowing veg time, i actually need a minimum of 3 pounds.
i myself had a ratass grow most of last year,im tired of growing yet never even having time to cure properly because medication is needed immidiately in this household, and if i happen to get a little bit extra after harvest it will be fully deserved and earned. it is actually legal for medical growers to compensate expenses, but i do not sell at all. i am offended at you accusing me of drug dealing when i am a medical grower with legal status to grow.
if the statement of rat ass grows offends you than get some more wattage you'll be happy with your harvest.
and guy, if the shoe fit's wear it
but im tired of seeing you get all uppity with newbies, this site is for newbies as well as show offs. i like to show off myself. but we need to pass on the knowledge we have gained here, however trialsome it may be.let's not get shitty about it, when all you really have is a 250 watt closet setup, it makes you look bad to have such a attitude like you get.
imho
tiedye
who got tired of having a 'rat ass grow'
Ya' know what tyedye....go fuck yourself. You are an asshole by definititon. How do I get uppity with newbies because I tell them to do some research about growing? I am sick of answering the same questions over and over again. If someone can't take the tome to find out the very basics of how to germinate a fucking seed, do you really think they are going to take the time to doall the small things necessary for a proper grow? You think you're hot shit because you can grow alot of pot? I've seen you're grows, the plants looks dead a nute deficient. The amount of light you have doesn't make you a better grower. I bet my buds are 5 x's as potent as yours. I have a life, I don't sit around smoking pot with my GF all day. You're one of those guys that thinks quantity = quality. 5 1/2 ozs can last me 3-4 months, that's enough time to grow out a new harvest. I always have bud to smoke when I need it, I am growing for my needs...get it? I'm not some loser who sits at home and gets stoned all day.

The only thing that looks bad around here is you. You seem to think that because you spent $2,000 on a setup that you are a better grower? Looks like you are the one getting uppity. Are you upset because you KNOW that I know more about this plant than you? I don't have to be growing 32 plants to know how to grow it properly. I don't need a $2,000 dollar setup to grow buds that tear up/stupify smokers than have been smoking for 20 years or longer. Looks to me like someone has size issues, hahahaha!!!

You're being an exemptee doesn't excuse you from attacking me because you have some sort of fucking personal issue. Grow up you old burnt out pot head and get a life...Anyone that spends $2,000 on a grow setup either has alot of $$$$$ to blow or dealing. No one needs 3-7 pounds per grow because they smoke alot. A medical card wouldn't allow you to grow that many plants unless you are a caregiver.

My grows are far from rat ass, I grow quality buds. Granted I don't have a big setup, but I grow what is needed for me. I was offended at the fact that you are being a rude jerkoff to me for no reason. I have always been cool with you. Like I said ...fuck you. Sounds to me like you're getting a little salty because meangreen complimented my growing abilities and people are coming to me for questions. Do I sense some envy?

[tiedye0420]

accuse me of dealing again you whining ass pussy and i will begin to haunt you everywhere you go.
go back from where you came.
you coulnt solo a joint of my mids dude
and i work for a living doing carpentry
i cant afford to sit around all day asshole.
you always come across as a punk to me,go fuck yourself.
i got 5k for christmas asshole. ha ha ha fuckhead.

[tiedye0420]

here is my 430 setup before the upgrade.

[Mud_Hunter]

Hey...I got drill press fpor xmas....its awsome...laser pointed:)

[tiedye0420]

you were the one who started in on me for no reason
so i decided to prove a point
if i got something to say to you i will let you know.
im not gonna hide my words
that is why you do not like me because i am perfectly honest about shit.
some people cannot bear truth

and yeah so what,
my plants used to look ratty in the closet, but they are fine now. whatever the size of my setup.i got f.f. growbig now buddy.

[tiedye0420]

would it drill through a one foot long piece of manzanita
i got a nice bongstock right here.
and thanks
Hey...I got drill press fpor xmas....its awsome...laser pointed:)

[GuySmiley]

you were the one who started in on me for no reason
so i decided to prove a point
if i got something to say to you i will let you know.
im not gonna hide my words
that is why you do not like me because i am perfectly honest about shit.
some people cannot bear truth

and yeah so what,
my plants used to look ratty in the closet, but they are fine now. whatever the size of my setup.i got f.f. growbig now buddy.
Hold on a second dick...I started with you? I think you better lay off the bong dipshit. You started in on me because you thought I was being "uppity" with newbies. I backed myself up because your snide comments caught my eye. Your grows are shit....better lighting isn't going to improve your tech. If you got $5,000 for Xmas and you are blowing it all on grow equipment...and you are not dealing...you are a loser and have too much spare time. I don't smoke an oz a week BECAUSE I work...I don't have the time to stayed stoned all the time, I don't need to be high that much. I smoke for medicinal reasons as well, not just recreationally. I am a studio/touring musician and I am pretty sure I make a shitload more cash than you. I just don't waste it all on grow equpiment. I spent a total of $500-$600 on my whole set up and I get quality smoke. I don't think that getting 4-6 ozs per grow under less than 400 watts of flowering light is rat ass...Most REAL growers would say that I am doing a great job. I am humble and I have even told people that I am no expert...so don't act like I strut aorund here like my shit don't stink...Fuck you....

[Mud_Hunter]

I hope both of you wake up tommorrow with a better mind set...all this argueing is not healty for the site or yourselfs...Its obvious both of you grow for different reasons...this site needs different perspectives from experince growers. Chaulk it up :P

[GuySmiley]

Dude, if he wouldn't have made a piss poor assumption and attacked me because he "thought" I was being uppity to newbies, none of this would have happened. I have never said ANY harsh words to this dick...even when I thought his advice sucked or that he was being rude. I'm not getting bent out of shape, so It's not really affecting me. Seems like some people think thier opinion and fucked up stoner analysis of the situation was wrong and now they are pissed because I said something back to them.

[meangreen]

RELAX GUYS AND SMOKE A BOWL.I will put my foot in my mouth and post on this issue even tho I said I was done with the site for the simple reason that this is a fine example of why this site has gone down hill as well as good reasoning why Skip has yet to add sub cats.I for one am sick of answering the same questions over and over when if one takes the initiative and searches other threads will get the answer to there ? and that is one of the reasons why Ihave chosen to not participate on this site as I use to.One has to be able to help themselves in order to improve knowlege and by not doing a little research prior is just plain lazy and undeservant of a answer as far as I am concerned.

As for the full spectrum ?,it is thought but unproven as to increased ultraviolet light improving yields in flowering plants.Peace and keep smokin!

Why dont ya both send me a doobie and I will decide who has the best kind bud!!!!!

[GuySmiley]

^^^^ I would love to send you a sample, but we already discussed why you don't want me to send you anything. I feel the same way about answering the same questions constantly and feel the same way about laziness being annoying and unproductive. The difference is that TD420 has a personal issue with me and feels that I am being "uppity" when I state EXACTLY what you just stated. He started with me for no reason and I am sick of breaking down and apologizing just so "all can be well". He's a big boy and should start acting like one.

P.S...: I am glad the seeds I sent you arrived safely.

[meangreen]

I will be getting the BB going shortly over at your site,still waiting on 5 of the NYCD's to finish so I can get the rest of the youngsters and clones in flower.Then I can get them germininating.Probly do some of the Skunkberry as well.

[b1v2w3]

Good to see you still monitoring this site MeanGreen. Let's keep this about showing one another what we can do, how we do it and let that be the way we and others learn from it. I am going to ask Skip to take a look at the discussions here and at the shiva thread to help reorganize this with 3 subcats like I stated in the subcat thread. But I am being highly entertained by all this. b1

[GuySmiley]

^^^^ I am glad that YOU are being entertained....

[meangreen]

I seriously doubt Skip will add any subcats any time soon as it has been;what 8 months or so since he reformatted the site and has yet to even post here.That should tell ya where his priorities lie,in Spain and not here.

[tiedye0420]

b1 i thought last night was an uproar myself.
guy basically got offended by me naysaying inside sun [who we all know guy worships]
he started in on me with the hey tiedye bla bla bla. and i let him know in not so polite a manner ,if i have something to say to him i will say it directly i do not need to beat around the bush.
sorry if i hurt your ego guy but you suck.
your a wanna be who cant be real.
tiedye

[tiedye0420]

chaotic probaly will never come to this site again,
he will be saying this is worse than arguegrow.
hope you found some useful info out of this mess of a thread guy ruined.
sorry to have been a part of it myself.
hope you get what you feel is best for your setup.
tiedye

[tiedye0420]

uh hello i was there

you attacked me when i slammed inside sun
you started blasting it over like 3 threads
you went out of control
you pissed me off
i then told you how i felt about your newbie attitude .

get the story straight or shut the hell; up and keep my name from your keyboards.
vengance is mine sayth the lord
god bless you guy
tiedye
Dude, if he wouldn't have made a piss poor assumption and attacked me because he "thought" I was being uppity to newbies, none of this would have happened. I have never said ANY harsh words to this dick...even when I thought his advice sucked or that he was being rude. I'm not getting bent out of shape, so It's not really affecting me. Seems like some people think thier opinion and fucked up stoner analysis of the situation was wrong and now they are pissed because I said something back to them.

[tiedye0420]

meangreen
you are a decent man who if he feels uncomfortable here will spread his knowledge elswhere.
do not cast pearls upon swine i say
get down with your badself.
i agree but still have some pennance to do here and will try to be cheerful about it.
one bad apple gonnna stick around i guess.

[GuySmiley]

uh hello i was there

you attacked me when i slammed inside sun
you started blasting it over like 3 threads
you went out of control
you pissed me off
i then told you how i felt about your newbie attitude .

get the story straight or shut the hell; up and keep my name from your keyboards.
vengance is mine sayth the lord
god bless you guy
tiedyeI am only going to reply to you one more time. I am only doing so because I think people deseve to hear what I am about to say and I refuse to have others believe this crap was started by me.......I hope they go and look through all this shit to see how much of a fucknut your are....unless you have deleted the posts that will make you look "slow"............

You referred to people that bought from Inside Sun as "Rat Ass Growers", after you went on a high and mighty kick about the lighting you bought with $$$$$ you couldn't even earn. You know that you referred to my grows ass "rat ass" you even admitted it you stupid fuck. THAN you made a snide comment about me being "Uppity" to newbies, simply because I wouldn't answer the same questions over and over again. Meangreen shares the same views as me about newbies that are too lazy to do any research about growing and has even expressed the same views, but you don't say shit to him.....pussy. How do I worship Inside Sun? I even said that their service is less than desireable. I CHALLENGE you to find the posts that show me WORSHIPPING Inside Sun. I have never uttered two words about Inside Sun except that I bought my light from there and had no problems. I said that his products are good but his service is terrible. How is that worshipping?

I don't know if you are just burnt out from all the drugs that have warped your old fucking brain or if you are mentally slow, but I would suggest you LAY OFF THE DRUGS. You have NO short term memory and I would feel real bad making you look like the fucking LOSER that you are. Anyone that reads these threads is going to see that you started this whole thing and need to shut the fuck up. No one is coming to your defense asshole. You are a real fucking psycho by trying to make this seem like I started something with you. You have taken my words and others and have tried to make them yours and when people start to read up on this situation, you are going to be eating alot of crow.

I can't WAIT until the people here read up on this thread and see the shit you have been saying up until this thread....you read like a fucking mental patient. You are going to lose what very little credibility you have here. I am finished with you now. Go back to your days of sitting around and doing NOTHING but smoking pot with your GF....become a little more delusional why don't 'cha?. There is NO way an airhead like you holds down a job. You'd forget your fucking name if people didn't call you by it on a daily basis. You are intimidated by me and it shows in everyone of your replies.

[GuySmiley]

meangreen
you are a decent man who if he feels uncomfortable here will spread his knowledge elswhere.
do not cast pearls upon swine i say
get down with your badself.
i agree but still have some pennance to do here and will try to be cheerful about it.
one bad apple gonnna stick around i guess.
Hey brainiac....He's leaving because he feels the same way I do about the lazy newbies here and the fact that the Grow Forums here are left to the way side by the Admins. He doesn't feel uncomfortable, he feels frustration. Go back and try reading some posts dipshit....GOD you are such a dunce.....

[tiedye0420]

got you goat or what dude.
you know nothing about me yet you continue to second guess me.
you are making an ass of yourself by doing exactly what you said i did.
how many posts did you delete yesterday.
how slow are you.

[GuySmiley]

I deleted NO posts and everyone knows it....

[tiedye0420]

clipped from a thread on marihemp network from 1999
you used to ask dumb questions yourself once upon a time.

hell i have strains i made that show sign a 18 to 25 days
tiedye
[quote]Message #21961 posted by guy smiley August 20, 1999 17:45:26 PT

A FOAF has 3 upcoming niagara plants (range 6-8 inches) for medicinal purposes, all seem healthy and vibrant growing in soil on 18 hours 430W Son Agro lamp. At 21 days veg growth, there appear to be obvious male flowers at the upper internodes in two of the plants. The plants don't seem stressed at all, no recent catastrophes or adjustments. Is it possible that these plants are showing their sex this early, or am I missing the diagnosis on stressed plants?[quote]

[tiedye0420]

I deleted NO posts and everyone knows it....howcome on the other thread your comment is in italic.
because you deleted your comment-and clipped it back in from quoting bob because he had you nailed. it is hard to delete a post that got quoted before you delete it.
you are such a phony.

[tiedye0420]

by the way chaotioc's question was about a dual spectrum sunsystem product.

and you people somehow thought he said bargain system or where do i get the cheapest lights.
he asked about the efficiency of a dual system ,do you even know anyone running a dual spectrum hood. i know you mentioned getting two systems or something to the likes,and suggested inside sun.
peresonally, im going to get a dual spectrum hood soon for my veg area. my geographical; location requires a/c hood so i'll use the 430 ballast i have ,and probably gert an advanced ballast kit for 90.
because the dual system is pricy i must admit.
so i'll get the hood and lens and i'll be scrounging ballasts.
i know a med grower who has 1,000 watt dual he swears by as outdoing any other light he has.
guy everytime i referred to myself you took offence- you started in on me and that is that. dont fuck with me im 5150. i will go balistic but if i am referring to you i'll be sure to inclue your name so you'll know when i am talking about you and not me . get off the meth dude.

[Mud_Hunter]

tiedye0420, are you still going...damn let it go already.

[GuySmiley]

howcome on the other thread your comment is in italic.
because you deleted your comment-and clipped it back in from quoting bob because he had you nailed. it is hard to delete a post that got quoted before you delete it.
you are such a phony.
Because if you read the thread afterwards, MORON, you would see that I deleted it at first because I thought I misread you comment, But it turns out you were being an asshole, so I pasted it back up from BOB Bongs quote, THAT's why it is in italics. I bet you feel like a DICK now, hahahahaha!!!! The original post is RIGHT AFTER MY POST YOU FUCKING BURNT OUT OLD RETARD!!!!! Lay off the bong you fucking reject.....I never changed a word. Who nailed me on what? Bob thinks YOUR a dick and said "GS wins". I think you better go back and read all of that again dumbass, your memeory has a 3 second retention level.

I originally deleted the thread because I was trying to be cool, but you are a loser, so I had it put back up. You can read it word for word assmagnet, I didn't change a thing. Keep talking dumbass, you are losing credibility with these growers. Good luck frying those plants of yours.

[GuySmiley]

clipped from a thread on marihemp network from 1999
you used to ask dumb questions yourself once upon a time.

hell i have strains i made that show sign a 18 to 25 days
tiedye
[quote]Message #21961 posted by guy smiley August 20, 1999 17:45:26 PT

A FOAF has 3 upcoming niagara plants (range 6-8 inches) for medicinal purposes, all seem healthy and vibrant growing in soil on 18 hours 430W Son Agro lamp. At 21 days veg growth, there appear to be obvious male flowers at the upper internodes in two of the plants. The plants don't seem stressed at all, no recent catastrophes or adjustments. Is it possible that these plants are showing their sex this early, or am I missing the diagnosis on stressed plants?[quote]Hey MORON....How could I have posted that in 1999 if I didn't join until May of 2004? FUCKING DUMBASS!!!!!! I didn't start growing my own until the end of 2000 ASSHOLE. The more you post, the less I think that you are serious. Either this is a joke or you are really slow.

HEY KIDS!!!! TD420 is the reason why you shouldn't take too many drugs....He has NO mind left.

[GuySmiley]

guy everytime i referred to myself you took offence- you started in on me and that is that. dont fuck with me im 5150. i will go balistic but if i am referring to you i'll be sure to inclue your name so you'll know when i am talking about you and not me . get off the meth dude.
Dude, you need to seek professional fucking help. Why would I get pissed if you were referring to yourself? Get off of these boards and go check yourself in somewhere. You are now admitting that you are crazy, (5150). You are a loser and I hope that NO One gives you the time of day and slowly pushes you out of this place.

Your contradictory statments above are going to prove that you are a burnt out, drug riddled, loser, that OBVIOUSLY has mental problems to boot. Your train of thought is so fucking scattered I have to read your babbling replies 2-3 times before I can get your point.

I wasn't going to reply anymore, but you are a sick person that needs to be shown some direction.

[b1v2w3]

For students of psychology this really is getting to be GOOD. Personality, functioning as a response to provocation: for all of us to observ>>analogies of the war we wage as a nation upon some unsuspecting subject of our rage. b1

[GuySmiley]

What? Now you seem to think that this can be broken down into some sort of analysis? Your tweeked bro'......The guy starts a fight, can't remember why, and then pisses me off trying to remember what the hell it was he started..........not a whole lotta' psychology behind this situation. Man, no wonder this place sucks.

Well, you can go on trying to think that TD420 has started some kind of psychological study into human relations and TD420 can keep on thinking he really does live in the dream world that his brain floats in......I'm outta' here guys...go head and have fun......

[tiedye0420]

by the way dude i run that job im on.
i designed, and am building a 1300 square foot redwood deck.
as soon as my camera is fixed i will show why i have become completely indespensable to this project.
i work for myself too.
nobody to tell me what needs to be done,just how he invisions the end product. it's up to me to make that a reality for the homeowner.
i have been workin there since late oct last year,and i'll be there until the job is done, and on to the next one with a quality resume.
must not be that burned out.
you crack me up with your obvious bullshit.
im totally sure everyone else sees you make a fool of yourself.
if you ask me they probably think you are cruel mean person with an overinflated ego who likes provoking crazy people.
that quote was from another board by the way
might actually be another guy smiley out there.
but i doubt it.

[b1v2w3]

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[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

What? Now you seem to think that this can be broken down into some sort of analysis? Your tweeked bro'......The guy starts a fight, can't remember why, and then pisses me off trying to remember what the hell it was he started..........not a whole lotta' psychology behind this situation. Man, no wonder this place sucks. -Hey Guy. -I understand that your upset with TD, -but why would you wanna go an offend B1 for making an obvious joke? -It really did seem like he was just makin light of the situation, cant blame him can ya? A coupalla times I wanted to say something about this argument goin on here but I didnt, Im not a mod. -There are no mods here, we have to moderate ourselves. --I may have been wrong about TD's intentions with you but Im pretty sure B1 wasnt tryin to get your goat, I think he was just tryin to get a giggle. -I kinda giggled. :)

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Cant We All Just Get A Bong????

[tiedye0420]

you were absolutely correct about my original intentions.
i was sick of my rat ass grow and upgraded to better equipment.
i had a 175 watt halide, and a 150 watt spot. shitty ratt ass e-bay pieced system.
then meangreen sent me the 430. obviously a better quality system. all diamond tuck aluminum hood and housing. solid, durable.dependable. and it did 4 times what my 325 watts of mixed spectrum was doing. but it has one drawback. no a/c. it gets 110 here regularly. i need air cooled hoods here.

my father sold his house last summer, the one i was brought to from the hospital. the house i grew up in. my partents decided to give all their children five grand for christmas.to me it is not much i would rather have the memories of my childhood when i visit my folks. now when i go see them it will be in some wierd modular home

i sacrificed my bedroom for my plants i sleep on a shitty couch. i decided to get enough smoke to make it worth all the trouble of not having a bedroom. i bought twq 600 watt lights, both quality systems.
did not intend to slam inside sun- chaotic was asking about the merits of havingf a specialized system by sunsystems. he did not ask if it was too much money or where to get cheap lights. he asked about the effieciency.
if he has the money to spend on a quality system then i suggest he spend it on one.
then you started slamming me guy, on like three threads. but you were off topic to begin with.
and you will never have a clue as to who or what i really am.
because you mind is narrow, and you cannot let go of your ego.
go get mad cause someone asks a question dude.

and now i guess this whole place sucks because guy has a shitty attitude.
no guy you suck.
tiedye

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Thats funny... -I dont FEEL sucky ! :)

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Lets all grow some thicker skins. :)

[tiedye0420]

your the shit lumpy
way i see it you are they only person here so far who actually understands where i was coming from. or the only one to publicly admit it so far.
but then you were here before either me or guy rolled around.
it's sad people gotta get so serious over little shit.
personally if i buy a light it will be because i have plants already growing that need the light now. 1,000 dollars for two hydrofarm systems had us starving that week. but my plants have already compensated in weight and health, and the lights have only been on since jan 9. in the three weeks i would have waited to get something on line, i have grown well over 1/4 pound just on three plants that were coming out of the preflower stretch at the time i added light.
i got thirty more 3 weeks behind those now.
i feel comfortable with the investment, those 600's radiant ballasts put out a steadier glow than any hid i have seen . even the quality 430 i have flickers perceptibly. but not the radiants. steady as a rock.
my opinion is i'll pay now because i cannot wait- i got an anxiety disorder . it is not healthy for me to stress on things.
lumpy, i know you get lights from inside sun, yet your grow is no way even close to rat ass or hobby, a totally professional setup. im glad you did not take my rants seriously. someone must have pissed me off for me to get that crazy.
actally i took a peek at guys cabinet once a few months back when he was building it. i thought it looked pretty cool, now i think he can keyster it for all i care.
tiedye

[b1v2w3]

I think he means guy smiley to be the one feeling that slightly puckered vacuum Lumpy. I just came in from checking my LST work on the blue thunder and associates. On all 5 I was fairly agrssive with the first tydown, though not radical. and then I waited a little too long (4 days) before checking/retying and they all had formed a nice curve and were shooting straight up again and when retying them today, showed weaknes at the point where the first string tie had been and one of them shows a wound and the second one broke straight off. So I mixed up some spagnum/vermiculite/perlite and dipped the end of the broken top in some rooting+cloning solution and stuck it in the soil mix. Will report on the progress. LESSON: when doing lst, check the growing tip you've bent down in 1 or 2 days and keep nudging it toward the horizontal without giving it too much change to go straight up past the curve.b1

[GuySmiley]

your the shit lumpy
way i see it you are they only person here so far who actually understands where i was coming from. or the only one to publicly admit it so far.
but then you were here before either me or guy rolled around.
it's sad people gotta get so serious over little shit.
personally if i buy a light it will be because i have plants already growing that need the light now. 1,000 dollars for two hydrofarm systems had us starving that week. but my plants have already compensated in weight and health, and the lights have only been on since jan 9. in the three weeks i would have waited to get something on line, i have grown well over 1/4 pound just on three plants that were coming out of the preflower stretch at the time i added light.
i got thirty more 3 weeks behind those now.
i feel comfortable with the investment, those 600's radiant ballasts put out a steadier glow than any hid i have seen . even the quality 430 i have flickers perceptibly. but not the radiants. steady as a rock.
my opinion is i'll pay now because i cannot wait- i got an anxiety disorder . it is not healthy for me to stress on things.
lumpy, i know you get lights from inside sun, yet your grow is no way even close to rat ass or hobby, a totally professional setup. im glad you did not take my rants seriously. someone must have pissed me off for me to get that crazy.
actally i took a peek at guys cabinet once a few months back when he was building it. i thought it looked pretty cool, now i think he can keyster it for all i care.
tiedye

One last time you fucking mental case. You called my grows rat ass and then at another post made more insulting assumptions, other people here even know you did. I went off on you because you directly insulted me for no reason and then tried to turn it around to me me look like the aggressor. You have much more than an anxiety disorder. I went to different threads because you were insulting me in different threads. Are you really that fucking burnt out, or is it just an act? Dude, sleeping on a couch so you can grow pot in your bedroom? You need serious mental help....

LUMPY....: I hate to say it, but you have been wrong in the past about people's intentions, so your perceptive isn't very valid to me. You seem like a good guy though.

I just can't believe that this fucking reject starts shit with me, I blast back, and now I'm the asshole....it doesn't make any sense. How did I offed B1v? Man, you guys REALLY need to stop trying to anaylize situations. Just see them for what they are, no puzzle pieces behind the arguement between me and TD420.

If some of you dunces would just go back and READ the fucking posts you will see that he FIRST insulted me by calling my grows "rat ass"...THEN he referred to me as acting "high and mighty" and "uppity" to newbies, two more insults. Meangreen shares the same opinion I do about some of the same issues and NO ONE said anything to him. This is like a fucking joke and you guys deserve each other.


I can't believe I am back here replying to this again, but I just can't believe how dumb some of you are, hahahahaha!!!! It's almost like yesterday never occured for some of ya'.....

[tiedye0420]

will you quit trying to drag meangreen into this.
he has lost interest in this long ago.
im out of here.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

LUMPY....: I hate to say it, but you have been wrong in the past about people's intentions, so your perceptive isn't very valid to me. You seem like a good guy though. / How did I offed B1v? ><>**^^~~ -Hey Guy! :) I think you offended him when you said he was "Tweeked". -I cant speak for him tho.... >>--You got a mutual problem with TD. Not everyone elce. TD offended you and you alone. -The reason for that is because I didnt get offended. -I got my current lights at Inside sun too. -I share your views about Inside Sun also.. -Almost to the letter! -But I chose not to take offence. -As a mater of fact, when you voiced your opinion on hydroponics I chose not to be offended by your generelazation. -Its rreally no big deal. :) -I guess I just figured Id say this to try and calm things down here a bit. -Nuff said on my part tho, I hope yous can come to terms! :)

[tiedye0420]

here here
take a toke of this guy
we can all mellow out man.
smoke a fatty and let it ride, don't sweat the small shit.

[GuySmiley]

Well, TD's comment about rat ass grows wasn't generalized, it was directed at me and he's even admitted to that in other postings. Why can't you see that I got pissed because his comments were directed at ME. I just can't go on with this anymore. While you guys are busy trying to make it seem like I am the issue, I will be tending to my Shiva Skunk. Which, BTW, are starting to turn some nice colors, so you can hang on to that mid grade bud you got dying over at your pad...ok TD420? I'll just smoke the "rats ass" buds below...... My pic quota is up, so I'm gonna' split. ....:

[Mighty Mezz]

Well Gentlemen…I am sorry to see the Forum descend into a pissing contest. I found almost all the posts to be informative and entertaining (although I did not have to answer some of the more ludicrous questions as some of you patiently did). GuySmiley, thank you for your posts that answered my questions in an articulate and logical manner. That LST method is inspiring. Best of luck to you in the future..and the same to the rest of you. Your efforts are to be applauded.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Verry nice lookin weed GS/MP :) ! -I just pulled 4 flowers out of my flower room this mornin :) ! -Whens the last time you used Inside Sun and how long did your order take? -I just got back from Fox Electric and they didnt have the 400 watt kits like I posted about before. -When I went to getem they turned out just to be 400 watt BALLAST kits, not the whole kit like I thought. -I knew it sounded too good to be true, $54. -Anyhow, a while back I made 2 seperate orders at IS, a bit over a year ago. One order took 2.5 months to get to me and the other was wrong, just a bit off, but wrong and late also. -Annyhow. -Bein these lights I was gonna get from Fox Electric didnt pan out Im probably gonna order from Mike again. -I was just wondering if you had any recent transactions with him and if you did, howd it go. --I got no problem with their products.

[GuySmiley]

I haven't delt with Mike in a long time. I don't here very good things about his service. It's the same shit with him....good products, horrible friggin' service.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Yea. you aint kiddin! -Il prolly be orderin in a week or so, Il let you know how it worked out. Hes gotta know theres even threads about his ledgendarily shitty service. -As far as his products go tho, -I got two 400watt hps's from him about a year and a half ago and their still runnin strong. -Thank for the word! :)

[tiedye0420]

MY point of view is in the three weeks or so it would have taken to get a light online, i was able to grow enough nugs to compensate for the expense. i been having to pay like 250 for a decent ounce around here on the inbetweens. this tasty ass 'grapes of wrath' strain goin around mendocino. but i got tired of spendin mass cash, and already had a grip of perpetual cuttings going. So i lit em up good.
now all i buy is a 20 dollar ounce of mids for her, because of the pain she smokes pretty heavy. but 20 bucks for an oz of michoacan isnt bad.
i rarely can bring myself to smoke any, but she likes it well enough.
hey lumpy i was over in your gallery last night- lookin good my man, that was kinda how i pictured you setup in my head.
guy yours looks great too,and to be 100% honest ,inside sun crossed my mind while i was purchasing- but i cannot wait no 3 weeks.
and i plan on running them the rest of my life, so i went with hydrofarm at my local supplier. Im really happy i got those lights, but sorry if i started shit with you guy.
im just happy as a pig in shit with my purchase is all.
they were plugged in on jan 9. and already earned their keep.
this humbolt is so compact i can barely do a bong in one rip.
they were 3 weeks 12/12 under the 430+150 combo i was running[the one im smoking now, there were two hummers and a kush on this earlier cycle. the first one i took cloudy and the second will get amber before i touch it.
then by march 9 i'll have about ten of each, and some of the mutant ones.
that mutant turned out to be one of the tastiest herbs i ever smoked, but the buds are small and compact. it seems to have a higher thc content than most kind strains, i hated to quit cloning from it.
but there is too much work to do in the budroom still, and im gonna use up some older seedstock this year.it's time to break out the first generation of my outdoor seeds i made in 1999/ 2000. now that im beginning to get the indoor trip rockin.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Yeaaaa Boogers! -But theyl prolly take 6 weeks! :)

[b1v2w3]

I hear you guys kicking various suppliers of lights around still! As I've mentioned before, I am using PFO lighting and they have been swift (5 days max), stock what you want, give good advise when you call (800#) and are priced within the range y'all are mentioning. Just thought I'd remention this.b1

[Chaotic]

wow ...... to think i started this with just asking if anyone out there had "used" a dual spectrum light source and if so what were the "Pro's and Cons" from their experience?!
Its been a long time since i laughed so hard reading post after chaotic post...I think in the future i will choose a wiser handle for this forum hehehehehe....

"Cant we all just get abong" Rodney King

[Chaotic]

personal of course "mud hunter"

[Mud_Hunter]

personal of course "mud hunter" wow...a question answered from the pre-war days :P

[tiedye0420]

my 430 burned out
O what misery
I took my 175 watt halide
and my 150 watt spotlight
and proceeded to install both bulbs into the old hood from the 430 system
a perfect match
my two week old seedlings have been under this light for around five- 6 days now
this light rocks big time.
I realize it is only a 325 watt dual
i use discount hydro to check for online prices because they are the cheapest supplier of high end systems i have found online.
I called the hydro store i use and got a qoute of 444 for a 800 watt dual system
THOSE are going to be my next two lighting purchases are two 800 watt dual systems
444 each with the a/c fittings and extraas. I think that is cheap for what i will be getting. Im restricted for space so two ballasts and two bulbs in one box/hood sounds like a wise move for me. I already have four balllast boxes going and 8 would be insane for a 6x8 area. but 6 is rackable.. L.O.L.

[tiedye0420]

by the end of summer i plan to run 100 watts per square foot, with 900 cfm of intake/exhaust each direction. A/C for backup over 90 degrees, which will shutdown 600 cfm worth of fans when it comes on.
for me growing indoors. I have a simple philosiphy.

I want to give them room to grow,and plenty of lighting/ventillation for the area im using to grow.Im finding 100 watts per square foot is doable without co2 if you have adequate ventillation to replenish the air rapidly enough.The plants can still use the extra lumens if they can process heat with fresh air.
Im running 42.36 watts per square foot at the moment,
and i find they are
doing beautifully.

[jahrass]

hi guy as a first time grower a newbbie whats the diffrence between m/h and hps

[jahrass]

only joking you guys are funny

[ezyrider50]

what does your sig mean?

The increasing popularity of Cannabis and the requirements of agricultural technology will call for uniform hybrid races that are likely to displace primitive populations worldwide. ( Clarke- M.J. Botany)

[LAB RAT]

Come guys isnt this suppost to be the INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY
NEWBIES are gonna ask newbie question if its to much bother to answer these guys questions then dont answer them.
Some of them probably think they will find better INFO here than from a book.
I for one found better knowlege here than from any bullshit books I read
let me just quote you my (INFORMATION SUPER HERO'S)
GROUCHY OLD DUDE
TIEDYE0420
MEANGREAN
RANGERDANGER (although somewhat pigheaded knows his shit)
GOLDEN AVATAR
Every one of the above mentioned GENTLEMEN have helped me in unmeasurable ways.
Guys Guys Guys come on were here to help each other & learn from oneanother
everybody has different ways of doing things that achieve the same end
PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU DONT STOP POSTING HERE WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER.
Thats all i have to say about that!

[tiedye420]

I have been running 2200 watts of mixed spectrum for a few months now.....And I got greenbud 24/7 how about you?

[tiedye420]

That was prophecy by robert connell clarke which has already come to pass.what does your sig mean?

The increasing popularity of Cannabis and the requirements of agricultural technology will call for uniform hybrid races that are likely to displace primitive populations worldwide. ( Clarke- M.J. Botany)