Honey Oil

[Xeracy]

How much do u pay for Honey Oil? I've never bought it before and its coming around right now, so i wanna pick some up. I dont know how much i'm getting either, but my guy sez that its like enough to put a drop on 35 bowls. Im in southern cali BTW.

[w00dstock]

lol 35 bowls...sounds nice, im from canada so i couldnt tell you how much ide except to pay for that, i can get joints laced in it for $5 canadain (thats what most people pay for a normal joint) but usually it goes up to 10$ for a laced joint...just make sure not to get jipped

[geckopelli]

It's a risk to buy as it degrades rapidly.

[RedStar]

hehe might be a dumb question but what is honey oil ?

[Xeracy]

ok, u take a PVC pipe
fill it with an O or more
put caps on the ends
drill 1 hole at 1 end
drill a lot of small holes in the other end
stick a can of pure butane on the end with one hole
let the can empty into the pipe
honey oil dribbles out of the small holes into a dish, etc
the butane evaporates
the weed is spent.

u can put drops of oil in ur joint or on a bowl and it gets u more fucked up

[eccofarmer]

NAMASTE

How safe is butane??Never tried that to extract oils but sounds like it would ether tast wierd or at lest be bad for the enviroment.Any tried it yet???

[Xeracy]

butane cannot be liquid at room temp, so it evaportes quickly and completely, apparently leaving no butane smell or flavor behind (cuz butane smells like cow throwing up rotten eggs in to a lake of diarreah).

[eccofarmer]

NAMASTE

How big of a tube and can you use fresh herb???If you do an once then how much oil can you get with that??????

[eccofarmer]

NAMASTE

I will have to try the butane one.

[WeeDMaN]

Tell us how it works out.

[geckopelli]

Use something else.

Di-ethly ether if you know what you're doing.

Xylene works just as well and is safer- I think (I'm wasted).
If Ellis is still around- or mixmaster- they can probably confirm.

[EllisDTripp]

I wouldn't recommend xylene, as the boiling point is too high. Hexane or heptane work well, and evaporate much more easily. Diethyl ether works OK, but the hydrocarbons work better (more selective).

Butane works very well, but presents a horrific explosion hazard when used in the method usually advised. ANY of the NP solvents used to make honey oil are flammable, but using butane means literally immersing yourself in a cloud of explosively flammable gas while you work. The slightest spark from friction or synthetic clothing and *POOF*, a flash fire with you right in the middle of it!

[paradigm]

How about using acetone for the extraction? I have done this before, but it seems to leave a weird taste to the oil. Also, works way better if you only do a quick rinse of the stuff.

Anyone have any comments on this stuff? What is the best stuff to use?

[EllisDTripp]

Acetone will pull out a lot more than the desired cannabinoids, producing a very impure, greenish-black "tar" instead of the desired golden oil. The problem is reduced by a short extraction time, as you mention, but then you aren't getting all the THC out! :(

Too non-specific of a solvent to be any good for honey oil production, I'm afraid...

[Xeracy]

ok, so i got the oil. $60 for a 1 gram vial. We went a little heavy last night and it was one of the strongest highs of my life. I woke up this morning not knowing who or where i was. trippy :D

[geckopelli]

Trippy- but was it really worth the dinero?

[Ediction421]

Iv'e made oil like that before, it works out ok I guess, but we always did it with shitty weed to begin with. We'd spend like 1/4 of a day just turning it into powder with homemade devices(A blender or coffee grinder would have worked better I still say). I never really was told that shit was explosive, but common sense always had me standing far away from the final procedure of filling the tube with butaine, something didn't seem right about that situation...

[Psilodelix]

does anybody know where I can get a pic or detailed plan for one of these honey tubes with the butane... I understand the hazard and will keep myself and others at a distance while filling it with butane...

This is a very convienent method for me as butane is easy to obtain here.

[EllisDTripp]

does anybody know where I can get a pic or detailed plan for one of these honey tubes with the butane...

A "detailed plan" for what? A length of PVC pipe with caps on each end? A bunch of tiny holes in the lower cap to drain the oil, and 1 hole in the top cap to fit the butane nozzle.

If you need engineering blueprints for something this simple, you probably shouldn't be fucking around with such things in the first place....:)

Anyway, there are details available at:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info13.shtml

, but sorry, no "detailed plans".

I understand the hazard and will keep myself and others at a distance while filling it with butane...

How do you plan to accomplish that? You need to physically push the butane can down to release the gas. Unless you are gonna rig up a solenoid operated valve or a motorized can holder or something (sorry, no plans for those available, either. :)), you will need to be standing right there while doing this.

[Ediction421]

LoL, you just said everything I was thinking...

[Psilodelix]

I don't even see why that is remotely funny that I asked for plans... I've found even when constructing a simple bong (which this may be easly compared to, save the butane) every little detail has a noticable effect on the end result. I would want to make the most efficiantly functioning setup.

Of course I'm not going to rig any sort of mechanisms to release the gas... I'm just gonna rubberband the fucker and then get the fuck away from it... I know you're gonna have to start it off but a simple rig-up will result in myself not having to stand near it the whole time(not SAFE but SAFER).
It's like lighting fireworks, just light it and get the fuck out of there.

You both have a big chuckle... like a honey tube is right up there with papers in the essiciancials of paraphanilia. When I bother to build something I like to do it properly.

-PsDX

[Ediction421]

LoL...


Dude, you're not gonna be able to just rubberband it and let it go. Anyways, I've done this with friends before and it ain't all that big of a deal provided nobody does anything stupid(Like standing around flicking there lighters). We had a metal pipe bomb type of tube though, not PVC.

And as for makeing bongs and details and shit, I always would just group all that small shit into the common sense catagory, mainly because if you can't figure it out already, you probably shouldn't be makeing pipes or purifying things anyways.

[Psilodelix]

dude... I get the picture, what-the-fuck-ever man I'm not planing on making one any time soon anyway. But I would not say that bongs and pipes are in the 'common sense' catagory because there are plenty of expirenced stoners who couldn't build a (nice) bong if their life depended on it. Not really much point of arguing this any further...

And when I said I would rubberband it, it was meant as half sarcastic... trying to say I would 'jimmy rig' the can to stay attached and realase gas without having to sit right next to it...

[EllisDTripp]

I would not say that bongs and pipes are in the 'common sense' catagory because there are plenty of expirenced stoners who couldn't build a (nice) bong if their life depended on it.

But your average stoner isn't considering the manufacture of honey oil, now is he? And building a lousy bong just means that it leaks or doesn't hit very well. Screwing up during a honey oil extraction could be a BIT more serious, no?

Any kind of "kitchen chemistry" demands good mechanical aptitude, a knowledge of EXACTLY what you are doing, and the ability to "think on your feet". People have been seriously injured fucking around with this stuff, and you really don't want to end up in a burn ward because you overestimated your abilities....

The procedure and equipment is quite simple, but it demands serious attention to safety throughout. Most of the writeups on the 'net ignore this, assuming that the chemist is fully aware of the hazards involved. Unless you are, don't try it.

[TomDijon]

small question about the procedure, says in the erowid file you put a coffee filter or paper towel on the side where the oil comes out of. if this is just to stop the powderized weed from coming out, wouldn't it absorb alot of the oil too? wouldn't a pipe style screen be better? or would this be dangerous? ellis?

[EllisDTripp]

small question about the procedure, says in the erowid file you put a coffee filter or paper towel on the side where the oil comes out of. if this is just to stop the powderized weed from coming out, wouldn't it absorb alot of the oil too?

It would certainly retain some oil. I would rinse it off with fresh solvent after removal, or just use it as a rolling paper once dried. :) By using a large excess of solvent, most of the oil will get washed off the filter, anyway.

wouldn't a pipe style screen be better? or would this be dangerous? ellis?

A screen would work if you don't grind the weed too finely. But you really want to grind the weed into a very fine powder to get the most oil out (much finer than you would do for smoking it), and a powder this fine would go right through a coarse screen.

[36fuckin5]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but using PVC pipe for a butane extraction could result in your oil containing some nasty chemicals that you don't want to smoke. Use stainless steel or glass only.

This is how SWIM did it:

Grind up your material. SWIM used 2 oz. of leaves, but you could use about half of that (minimum) in buds.

Get a stainless steel pipe (long and skinny is better than short and fat) with an end cap. Drill a hole in the cap just big enough to fit the nozzle of the butane can. Careful, it can be tricky to get it all the butane out if you drill it too large.

Secure a coffee filter onto the bottom of your pipe. Fill with plant material loosely. Screw the cap on.

Make some kind of stand for the pipe. It's going to get cold as shit and you're not going to be able to hold it. SWIM used some jumper cables and a few random pieces of metal.

Get a glass dish (double-shot glass works pretty well) and place it under where the coffee filter end of the cap will be.

Place your filled pipe in the stand.

Get a couple cans of butane ready. It's gonna take quite a bit (probably 2 whole 6 oz. cans.)

Place the nozzle of the can into the hole you drilled and start applying pressure. You should hear the butane coming out of the can, and within 30 seconds to a minute see it start to drip out of the bottom of the pipe.

Keep going until you run out of butane. If your glass dish gets full, stop for a second and let some of the butane evaporate.

It will help to keep the dish in a warm bath of water or something so that it will evaporate faster. The butane will make the dish cold, which will make the butane take longer to evaporate.

Let the rest of the butane evaporate, scrape up the oil with a razor or something similar, and place in your holding vessel (preferably something small and glass.) You could also just cover your dish with plastic wrap, but be careful not to knock it over.

Place a drop or 2 on top of some weed or an ash bowl and smoke.

[dangermoose]

i get a one gram vial for 40 dollars canadian...merely twice as much as regular oil.

uh oh..its 6 in the morning and my parents are awake...goodnight everyone