are my buds ruined?

[dirty worms]

http://img142.exs.cx/img142/3152/weednewyears0041jl.th.jpg (http://img142.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img142&image=weednewyears0041jl.jpg)how to fix this problem. dose anyone know?

[WayfaringStranger]

that looks like a nice strain, describe to me what you think the problem is

[dhs]

How much light are you using?

[WayfaringStranger]

ok im impatient and tired, htat seems to be the top of the plant, the cola, the plant gets confused up there and is not sure if it should shoot out more fan leaves, or bud leaves. youve never seen these leaves in your bag before. colas seldom see a bag. outdoors this is not a problem, as these would be fan leaves cus there is plenty of room. a wise indoor grower would trim these leaves completely off(at thier stem) like you would with bud leaves(not fan leaves) this gives the bud more room to shoot out more flowers and bud leaves(which you should also trim off) the curling and dead ends is normal as they are closest to the light, and the plant is no longer feeding them, it is feeding the flowers.

with proper pruning of bud leaves, you can triple your uield and havbe dense buds, i always leave at least one bud leaf at the bottom of the bud.

[meangreen]

One should never remove a healthy leaf from a flowering plant for any reason.

[WayfaringStranger]

ive found that when you trim the two leaves that acompany the single flower, that a new flower, acompanied by two new leaves will come up at each leaf. this plant seems a lil late in the game for that technique, as the flowers wont mature at the same time. i go through em about once, maybe twice a week, then leave them alone the last couple of weeks.
remember, youre growing indoors, and forcing flowers, two unnatural things, you need to compensate for that by wise prunning. if you ever grow apples or blue berries, you remove whole branches to get a larger yield.

[dirty worms]

what dose mean. as the flowers wont mature at the same time. i go through em about once, maybe twice a week, then leave them alone the last couple of weeks.

[medicinalhydro2]

Spider mites Bro. You can see the webbings in that pic.

[dirty worms]

my ass. where do you see spider mights bat? i see know webs at all anywere.

[GuySmiley]

You have used way too much N/overferted and that is why the flowering is being delayed and fucked up. The high N levels make the plant want to keep vegging although you have it in flower mode. That is why it is confused as to whether or not it should produce bud or more foliage.

[WayfaringStranger]

guysmiley brings up a good point, dont feed them during flowering. i barely even water them. what i meant by they wont mature at the same time, is when you cut those bud leaves, new flowers will come out (thats how you get dense buds as aposed to leafy buds(ahhhhh its all making sense)). well your old flowers are going to mature long before the new flowers, thats why you want to trim those leaves as they come out, and only in the first couple weeks of flowering. if this is youre first harvest though, youre doing better than most. are they organic?

[GuySmiley]

^^^^^^Well, I think you are taking my suggestion the wrong way. Feeding during flowering is necessary, he has overferted and needs to lay off for a bit. He should use flowering nutes during flowering because flowering plants need high amounts of P and K during flowering...less to no N is needed. To not feed or barely water during flowering is worse than over feeding. He needs to flush his system with properly pH'ed water, plain water. Then start with the flowering nutes after a week or 2 of no nutes.

[WayfaringStranger]

i agree smiley, but i usually have high enough amounts of slow release P and K in my soil already, and im careful with the N during veggie. water stress is an excellent technique to boost the reproductive process in plants though. i water heavy, but i ldo let them do bone dry for quite sometime before i water again. just a matter of prefference, i find it increases the boquet(smell).

[dirty worms]

I am growing in a hydroponic drip system. 1 bucket in side a nother with a driping ring and an air pump. it pumps the air down the buckets wht water is sucked up a tube in to the ring out on the plants bottem. i will put a photo of my hydroponic system soon.

[WayfaringStranger]

ahhhhhhh i dont give hydro advice, or chemmys, nice strain though, good luck.

[GuySmiley]

Unfortunately, I am very limited to hydro grow know....wish I could be more help.

[budfarmer]

dirtyworms is right, not spider mites, it looks to me as if the temp drastically changed to the cold side,as far as pruning or trimming a plant while its in flower will slow growth drastically shocking the plant at this point could cause it to turn hermie, were are the freakin pistills {hairs}

[b1v2w3]

me neither. b1

[budfarmer]

man slow release chemical nutes should never be used, you can never flush all of it out when it's time to harvest, organic is the best way to grow weed!

[thrawn]

If you look on the small fans, you can see yellow specks. Common for spider mite infestations. Flush your soil, get rid of spikes ( i assume your using), and get some neem oil.

Dont feed a plant in the last 2 weeks of growing.

[GuySmiley]

^^^^^Dude, your sig is ridiculous. You have fucked up a few threads wit it, please resize it?

[goldmund]

That is definately NOT spidermites! With that close-up, and with all the curl, etc., you should be able to see their small webs at this stage of the game. However, you may have a slight spidermite infestation attacking a plact already weak for some other reason.

Look at the discoloration and curl within the bud. That's not spidermites. I have never overfertilized with N during the flowering stage, so i don't know what that'd look like, but I suspect like with all N overdose, on any plant, that you would see the characteristic tip burns at the end/edges of the leaf, and perhaps less compact clusters.

It looks to me like he has some rot goin' on inside there. Are there moldy patches, an orange dust present? Are the buds dry or sopping wet?

I don't think that it is from proximity to the light either. There is no evidence of burn.

Did you check for White flies? Check your roots, are they getting plenty of O2 in your hydro system (i am not a hydro grower either, but we all know they need plenty of aeration). Do the hairs look healthy, white and vibrant, or dull and droppy?

Any problems with the stem? discoloration, rot?

[dirty worms]

http://img142.exs.cx/img142/3152/weednewyears0041jl.th.jpghow (http://img142.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img142&image=weednewyears0041jl.jpg) do you tell if there is rot in the bud. basted on the info i gave in other posts how can i help my plant a plant get better soon with not a lo tof money like home remedys or inexpenceve stuff you buy at the store. and am i wasting my time or can my plant be saved. please help.

[dirty worms]

I see no bugs at all. I looked close. the plants are kinda dry.So any way to make them less dry and have more moisture and bigger yield. I have a fan on them it is a two part fan. the fan can be switched to blow air out and or suck air in.I need away to get some moisture to my plant if that's what my plant needs. I spray my plant with water plane water.I don't know if the water helps or makes it worse.please help.look at the photo and tell me what I can do to bring my plant back to helthyness.

[dirty worms]

it is kinda late in the flower cycle.so any info on a fixable problem or on how to help my plant get better. would be greatly thanked.

[tiedye0420]

more out and or suck air in

[moondance]

What nutes are you using and how much?

[goldmund]

Is this the only plant with this problem? Is this your only plant? Is it only the cola that looks like that?
If it's dry, did you kink the stem bending it down from the light? Again, check the roots, see if there is a problem down there.
You will not usually see spidermites with the naked eye. You have to look for their tiny fiberous webs underneath the leaves an other small nooks and crannys.
If it looks like it's getting worse, I would just cut the poor fella down, dry it out and figure out what's wrong. You might be able to salvage parts for smoke and cook down the rest into some strong butter. Be careful of the molds and fungus. I saw something that looked like that, but was accompanied by an orange dust. I am not sure if that's dangerous.
Someone here must know more about this one. Where are the pros at?

[dirty worms]

i can't look at the roots cuz they r in lava rocks. the roots r in my hydro system. you can buy lava rocks at a hydroponic store.

the stems look fine just the bud area looks like that and some of the fan leafs too. did i kink the stem bending it down from the light? no.

you saw something that mabe looked like mold,rot,fungi. but was accompanied by an orange dust. where was the orange dust at on the bud? how can i tell if it has mold,rot,fungi.i willtry to post better photos on here soon.

i looked as close as i can but see no webing of spidermites. and what about the dry air in my plant.what can i do to help?

[goldmund]

Anyone know anything about using water softeners to increase h20 intake? I know its not organic, but I don't think he cares at this point. Were you gone for a couple of days before this happened? What are you using for fertilizer? Lights?
Again is this on one plant, a bunch of plants, is this your only plant?
Next time you take a pic, carefully bend the clusters apart and try to peer into the middle of the bud. That's where you'll see better for fungus and mold.

[goldmund]

Scratch that, most softners contain salts. I don't know dude. send us another pic, with some other affected parts, your set up, your house and street address, your girlfriends name and number. :) j/k just take as many as possible to give us more clues.

[dirty worms]

http://img133.exs.cx/img133/4245/weednewyears0027wa.th.jpg (http://img133.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img133&image=weednewyears0027wa.jpg)http://img133.exs.cx/img133/2730/weednewyears0031oj.th.jpg (http://img133.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img133&image=weednewyears0031oj.jpg)these are the latest pic i have now.
but i will get much beter later today.and how offen do i chang the water and fertilizer just wandering.
and if the plant can't be fixed then can it be cut down an dryed and smked in this condition or is it to bad to dry and smoke.

[goldmund]

Okay, I THINK i might know what is going on. Overfertilization. You're growing hydroponically, you haven't flushed your system, and you don't have a regular fertilization schedule. I haven't grown hydro, still, but I have read that you're supposed to completely flush out your system with fresh water every 2 weeks. This keeps dangerous levels of salts, concentrated minerals, etc. from building up in your reservoir.

The burn and curl on the leaves mean that your Nitrogen levels are too high. To fix the problem, completely flush your system, your rocks, your rockwool and roots with copious amounts of lukewarm water. I don't know how close to harvest you are, but this might help.

There should be directions on the nutrients telling you how much to add and when. The general rule of thumb is to add your Nitrogen fertalizer (N), should be the higher 1st number in the set of three (i.e. 5-1-1), during the first 2-4 weeks after your clones take root (depending on your lumens, your pot size [soil], and the time/yeild desired per plant at harvest). Soon before you tone your lights down to 12 hrs on/off, you should cut off, or balance out the N, and switch to a higher Phosphorus (P) level (the middle number) fertilizer. Don't overdue it! It is always better to underfertilize that to use too much.

Also, have you been checking the pH of your water? I am assuming since you haven't changed your water, your pH will be extremely basic, which you can correct (in soil) with calcium.

The problems you are having is why many people don't like hydro. So much can go wrong! Maybe next time switch to soil 'till you get it down better. It will still take you a couple of tries.

Good luck. Chime in other growers out there. I don't know everything. Am I right?

[dirty worms]

i have been flushing out the water every two weeks.andi have been cheching the ph as offen as passable. ps:i half to go work out now but i will chat more on this later and i will put some beter pics later. peace

[dirty worms]

i am back.better pics soon.

[GuySmiley]

Okay, I THINK i might know what is going on. Overfertilization. You're growing hydroponically, you haven't flushed your system, and you don't have a regular fertilization schedule. I haven't grown hydro, still, but I have read that you're supposed to completely flush out your system with fresh water every 2 weeks. This keeps dangerous levels of salts, concentrated minerals, etc. from building up in your reservoir.

The burn and curl on the leaves mean that your Nitrogen levels are too high. To fix the problem, completely flush your system, your rocks, your rockwool and roots with copious amounts of lukewarm water. I don't know how close to harvest you are, but this might help.

There should be directions on the nutrients telling you how much to add and when. The general rule of thumb is to add your Nitrogen fertalizer (N), should be the higher 1st number in the set of three (i.e. 5-1-1), during the first 2-4 weeks after your clones take root (depending on your lumens, your pot size [soil], and the time/yeild desired per plant at harvest). Soon before you tone your lights down to 12 hrs on/off, you should cut off, or balance out the N, and switch to a higher Phosphorus (P) level (the middle number) fertilizer. Don't overdue it! It is always better to underfertilize that to use too much.

Also, have you been checking the pH of your water? I am assuming since you haven't changed your water, your pH will be extremely basic, which you can correct (in soil) with calcium.

The problems you are having is why many people don't like hydro. So much can go wrong! Maybe next time switch to soil 'till you get it down better. It will still take you a couple of tries.

Good luck. Chime in other growers out there. I don't know everything. Am I right?
This is what I told him 2 pages ago...:

"You have used way too much N/overferted and that is why the flowering is being delayed and fucked up. The high N levels make the plant want to keep vegging although you have it in flower mode. That is why it is confused as to whether or not it should produce bud or more foliage"......GuySmiley

[dirty worms]

what is the best way to flush out N. how much water do i use to flush out the extra N

[goldmund]

Guy was right. I have never seen an overuse of N during flowering. I am used to seeing the leaves turn an extremely dark green, not the light yellow green in the pics, and being extremely perky, not droppy like they were.
But I still think Guy is right. Then again, it might, at this point be a number of things.

Oh, how long have they being flowering? Do you know anything about the strain? How long do they take to finish?

[cadcruzer]

looks like magnesium defency too me leaf curl an brown patch's on leafs anyone else see same?

[goldmund]

doesn't magnesium defecency usually show through a purpling of the stems?

[dirty worms]

they have been in flower mode 2 1/2 months. i had to flush out the ferelizer a wile back cuz the plant was getting to much fert so flushed it out with water for three weeks but then i added it back after 3 weeks. i don't know what the strain is.i just got the seed from a bag of weed.

[goldmund]

what fertilizer are you using now? what are the ratios?

[dirty worms]

i use botanicare power series hydroplex bio-stimulant bloob enhancer 0.5-4-10

[goldmund]

how long have you been using this one?

[dirty worms]

1 month

[goldmund]

sounds like a good mix. N ratio isn't too high. now im even more confused. there should be some info online somewhere. let us know what you find out!

[tiedye0420]

my opinion is you need to bring air in and out at the same time, get another one of those fans- have one bring air in and one bring it out- you still need a curculation fan as well. this is equally important as lighting and nutes,.
other than that you may have done irreperable damage by flushing too long after burning them, but im a soil guy so......
good luck

[WayfaringStranger]

well i thought that smiley and goldmund had it right until the last few posts. my new theory is that at one point you went toxic, too much N or whatever. when you do this, the osmosis reverses, your water sucks water out of the plant to achieve the correct balance. when you flushed it, your plants appeared to do better. i have gone toxic before, although never during flowering. i know that some plants can make it out of it, most cant. yours looks like that gray area in between. it started to make it out, slowly, but when you went back to fertilizing it, it reverted to its toxic state, slowly. just a guess. i think yo ushould cut it up, be very careful to remove all moldy spots, and enough bud around them too, and make you some hash oil, or some butter.

another guess would be that it is over ripe. its been years since ive grown, but 2 1/2 months of flowering seems a little long to me. thats close to 80 days. indoor hydro is supposed to be quicker than that, ongest flowering i ever heard of is 90 days, but thats outdoors, with a more tropical strain.

[goldmund]

I think wayfarer is right. Chop it down, cut your losses, enjoy what you got, and learn from it next time. You should still do a quick check online to see exactly what this is, or try to find out from someone else.
In terms of the readiness of the plant for harvest, I've always waited until somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3rds of the hairs change from white to redish orange. I was looking at your pic, at it looks like its close enough. cut that sucker down, save on your electric bill for next time!

[WayfaringStranger]

I think wayfarer is right.
in all my time on these boards, thats gotta be the first time ive ever heard that. i must be losing my touch;)

[dirty worms]

it still looks good. it is still growing a lot of white hairs and still good green. heres a pic.http://img139.exs.cx/img139/8863/weednewyears0108ii.th.jpg (http://img139.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img139&image=weednewyears0108ii.jpg)

[goldmund]

Dude, what are you doing? 2 1/2 mos? wayfarer is always wrong, never listen to him. You need to cut the bud at the top, or at least bend it down to where those other newbies are posted above. If that is how the majority of your plant looks, just keep with the schedule you're on, keep flushin' it, checkin' pH, and keep that undergrowth closer to the light.

[dirty worms]

Dude, what are you doing? 2 1/2 mos? wayfarer is always wrong, never listen to him. You need to cut the bud at the top, or at least bend it down to where those other newbies are posted above. If that is how the majority of your plant looks, just keep with the schedule you're on, keep flushin' it, checkin' pH, and keep that undergrowth closer to the light.
need more info on If that is how the majority of your plant looks, just keep with the schedule you're on, keep flushin' it, checkin' pH, and keep that undergrowth closer to the light?
so will my 2'd plant in that photo mabe have a chance to bud right and get biger if i grow it right. if so what do i need to give or do to it to make it a helthy plant.
if it is allready in flower mode when do i put the fertalizer back in.

[goldmund]

Flush it, use the fertalizer you're already using (according to the directions), and let those lower branches get close to the light (not too close!) You'll probably have a good chance of having a somewhat healthy harvest (you'll have to wait a bit longer), considering nothing else goes wrong.
Then again, you might just chop it, or at least the top one, turn the lights back onto a vegi cycle, or get new clones, and start over. The problem with letting the lower branches fruit, is you won't get the huge yeilds. their nodes aren't close enough together.

[dirty worms]

Flush it, use the fertalizer you're already using (according to the directions), and let those lower branches get close to the light (not too close!) You'll probably have a good chance of having a somewhat healthy harvest (you'll have to wait a bit longer), considering nothing else goes wrong. you sead.

how long do i flush it out with water. how much fertalizer do i add after i flush out the fertalizer.
both plants are in the same hydro system. should i pull on of them. cuz the one right looks kinda bad. dosent it look kinda bad to u or should i let it grow some more. or is there anything else i can do to the plant to get them healthyer and bigger?

here is a pic of both of them together. http://img50.exs.cx/img50/2271/weednewyears0054gf.th.jpg (http://img50.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img50&image=weednewyears0054gf.jpg)http://img103.exs.cx/img103/6991/weednewyears004jhgfdsaa5jn.th.jpg (http://img103.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img103&image=weednewyears004jhgfdsaa5jn.jpg)http://img103.exs.cx/img103/3194/weednewyears0073bn.th.jpg (http://img103.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img103&image=weednewyears0073bn.jpg)http://img103.exs.cx/img103/9745/weednewyears003hygtfrdesedrft7.th.jpg (http://img103.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img103&image=weednewyears003hygtfrdesedrft7.jpg)

[goldmund]

They look really spindly. What kind of lights are you using. How far away are your plants from the light? I think you do better to start over from clone stock, where you know the characteristics of the mother plant, times for maturation, etc. I know that you've spent some money on this hydro setup, but perhaps try a good soil mix next time. Make sure you use extra vermiculite/perilite and add your fertilizer to the water, not the soil.

[dirty worms]

ok but what if i take out the dry'd lookin out one will the other one might have a chance to finish buding if i work with it better with the right conditions cuz it looks like it might have a chance to get better to me. look at pic on my other thread with the 4 pic. click on them. the flowering hairs look like they have some chance and there are getting better than they did a week ago.

see i cant grow anymore cuz i am moveing in three to five months. if i take out the dry'd one an hung it out todry would it be smokeable?

[WayfaringStranger]

i dunno 2 1/2 mos. seems too long. the flowers that have already matured are going to decay by the time the new ones mature. leading to rot. if you were in soil i'd say stop fertilizing, but i guess you cant with hydro. i would agree with goldmund about me always being wrong though . . . and about trying some soil. you get a better flavor out of soil, and always grow organic, some of us are trying to save the world here. chemmy buds taste like kaka.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-What I sweep off my floor dont taste like "kaka".

[b1v2w3]

What you sweep off your floor tastes likes suger LuMpy. b1

[tiedye0420]

my cats eat everything that hits my floor.little bastards are always fim or trimmin something.

[goldmund]

If you cut off the affected buds, and let the others at least mature, you should be fine. You won't have big yeilds because the nodes on the lower branches are too far spread apart. It looks like you have a stativa strain, which would explain the harvest length. I know it seems long, but I still think you could go another 3 weeks on those lower branches.
Okay, I am done with this thread. Peace!

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

What you sweep off your floor tastes likes suger LuMpy. b1><>**^^~~ Youl be diggin this flavor soon too Brudda! :) -And it keeps me high day and night! -SWEET!! -