the Lawless One

[Love_N_it]

first let me say that you have no idea how much I miss having the opportunity to participate in the Hip-Forums and hopefully not all of you resent me for leaving you behind for as long as I have.

I guess i'm starting this thread because there are still a few things that I haven't been able to find within myself out on the road, and maybe sitting back down in front of a computer and expressing a few thoughts and doubts will help one of us.



http://www.ldolphin.org/studynotes/return.htm

"As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God. Do you not remember that I told you these things when I was still with you? And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed when his time comes. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who now restrains it is removed. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will destroy with the breath of his mouth, annihilating him by the manifestation of his coming. The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned. (2 Thessalonians 2:1 - 12) "

I guess my biggest problem is overcoming my own fears, and I am the only one who restrains me, but my fears are not of being destroyed by the Lord Jesus..
my fears are centered around being successfull in causing a 'rebellion' when what I percieve is more of a revulsion from this system, and our faith in this system of intentionally contorted information.
If one man is capable of bringing about a turn of events that checks the system, which will definitely bring it down.. then that man would be revered as a God to this Earth, if not most of the people living on it.
And according to the bible this person would be sent from God to create a powerfull delusion leading them to believe that we have to save our only source of life.
What is the truth? that we are supposed to continue living with this slave mentality that only God can save us, that we cannot do it ourselves?
but it clearly sais "that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed,the one destined for destruction."
so what if this person has chosen to give his life and the only reason he keeps moving toward this revulsion, is because nobody else has done anything... and it would speed up the process of meeting God's requirements before He decides to return?
I believe in 'something else', I know what I've been seeing hearing and especially what I've been feeling lately. I'm confused as hell about why we should believe that "THE truth" is that our real God,
The Lord Jesus Christ, has more games and intentional delusions to send to us before He returns to destroy the one who tries to save us and the planet...?

I just wish this whole screwed up situation pissed me off as much as it used to.
I guess I thought by running far enough away from everybody and everything I knew, eventually I would become lost enough to come through the air looking for help or some directions, instead of sitting down to type in front of this goddamn computer.
It would be nice to put all my faith in God's hands and not worry about 'the big picture' , but I will probably never turn to him or His church's for answers again because I do not agree with or accept the process He is putting us through. Even if a great miracle was to happen, and a man was able to start a fight to save the life of and on this planet, according to the bible, He would be doing the work of Satan... eventho' He would have been sent by you.
That even sounds Anti-Christ.


"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned. (2 Thessalonians 2:1 - 12) "

Thanking you in advance God, for those who are perishing because they were confused by the power, signs, wonders, and deceptions of Satan that dominates everyday life here on Earth, and for those who haven't put enough faith in one of the 4000+ different choices in the right religion. Also those who will be victims of your next powerfull messenger who will bring more delusions to the people.

N_outtabounds

[Love_N_it]

"Of all the characters in the Bible, the "lawless one" is the one who has caused most discussion among Bible students. Who is he ? "

[Love_N_it]

I just wanted to respond to this thread again so that it would appear on the top of every opening page in this forum, incase somebody came here to discuss Philosophy and Religion... it would be more likely that they would have the opportunity to see it.

thanks

[Kharakov]

the abomination which causes desolation will be seen where it should not be....

[Love_N_it]

don't be such a little prick

[WHorseTurtle]

Hi there, yes I know the "lawless one". It is within everyone, lawlessness is a state in which another shatters, abuses, maims, or kills another. Obviously, turn on the TV pick up any newspaper, and there you will see it expressed...Lawlessness is a state in which one acts out of unity, not for the the good of the whole, not to benefit the whole but either harms another in some way or harms themselves in some way....
So in order to embrace unity, one must become harmless and act in occordance with the law, to keep the peace. One must embrace the darkness within themselves that desires to harm another or themselves...before that lawless one is thrown out and cast out of our creation, forever.

Namaste
Francine :)

[WHorseTurtle]

PS
You ask some very deep, good, piogant questions, I think...:) Never quit asking because it is when we stop the desire of looking for answers, we stop the will to live, the desire to be and the will to "become."

Namaste my Brother
Francine

[Love_N_it]

what in the world happens when all of the questions that we ask have been answered and we still aren't satisfied...
now adays people are willing to settle for any logical answer to the half dozen or so questions that none of us could possibly prove.
I guess this is one of the more 'taboo' issues of the bible, untill early last year the existence of this character and his somewhat monumental role in our lives did not exist..
eventho' I agree with you that the lawless characteristic does flow through our thoughts from time to time, but it helps us learn how much we can get away with.

Lately my desire to run from the truth and fine ability of doing so has given me enough time on the road to come to the conclusion that the bible, the story and lessons taught by Jesus' experiences with 'his people' and eventual suffering and dramatic death he allowed himself to be put to, although odd, to say the least, could actually have all occured.
but the reality of an immaculate conception and/or the existence of one man possessing the spirit of and the ability to step forward and proceed with a 'do whatever it takes' attitude to save the planet, are both practically, theoretically and scientifically impossible. A good mother would allow herself to be consumed before she would bring about pain and death to her own children.
Our life here, our source of life and the conditions of a 'natural' human existence together thousands of years from, is as unlikely as an unfertilized egg or single cell reproducing life on this earth... but not impossible.

Sometimes I think about how close to realistic and universally acceptable the events found in the bible would have been, if Mary and her partner would have been willing to suffer the consequences of having casual sex.
That one little 'twist' to the story causes everything responsible for our existence today to have been altered.. almost like ,,
that caused our rational thought process to be bastardized.
the saddest part is, the same minds that accept and believe every word of every story in the 'good' book..
can't accept what that "ashes to ashes" comment really answers for us.


:rolleyes:
something tells me that I should have loaded a bowl, before now.

Thank you Francine.

[brokenwingz425]

I don;t think the lawless one is a "he" but an entity. Now theres a certain country I live in that violates its own laws all the time *cough*drug war*cough*secret wars*cough* but anyways, thats just my personal thoughts

[Love_N_it]

before I hit the road again,
I was just wondering... does it not appear as tho' I am Lost ?

http://mappoint.msn.com/(j2ot4s55vr4fpq55cehmzkek)/directions.aspx?&StartName=Globe%2c+Arizona%2c+United+States&StartLocation=33.39582%2c-110.78910&EndName=Robinson%2c+Illinois%2c+United+States&EndLocation=39.00586%2c-87.73959&DataSetLangID=USA&RouteType=Quickest&RouteUnit=Miles

http://shine-down-musicas.lyrics-songs.com/lyrics/78035/

[Love_N_it]

Unn fuck'n believeable.

[Love_N_it]

if you compared our way of life in the desert to the way people live in Chicago, I think most people would think it feels like your closer to hell way up north.

the turnaround I was working is over, and since my sister's family was only three hundred miles away, I thought it would be nice to visit them...
and it has been so far!

its been a long time since I've held and played with her's, or any other children for that matter,
so it was definitely worth the additional miles to my return trip home.

It get's kinda lonely on the road sometimes, especially when it feels like there is nobody else out here with me...
oh well,
at least for the rest of you,
there is somebody.
and I have music for a God.

http://www.lyricsondemand.com/g/greendaylyrics/boulevardofbrokendreamslyrics.html

[Love_N_it]

"A man willing to sing about or wage that kind of war must have a tremendous amount of rage built up inside of himself" --Bono





For some reason I almost feel guilty because the war inside of my head won't be building up speed and the amount of self induced rage necessary to build up inside of me,

will not take place.

It feels like I'll come a lot closer to creating a perfect way of life for myself and my wife, instead of trying to find a perfect way to destroy

the way of life as we know it... for the greater good.

How could someone love the life of this earth and the people who are consuming it enough to do what it would take to make them stop?

Sometimes I realize it would be impossible to explain to you, but most of the time I'm trying to find the words to do it anyway.



I should just resort to posting the songs that can explain it better than me....



Shinedown -- Burning Bright



I feel like there is no need for conversation
Some questions are better left without a reason
And I would rather reveal myself than my situation
Now and then I consider, my hesitation
The more the light shines through me
I pretend to close my eyes
The more the dark consumes me
I pretend I'm burning, burning bright

I wonder if the things I did were just to be different
To spare myself of the constant shame of my existence
And I would surely redeem myself in my desperation
Here and now I'll express, my situation

CHORUS (2)

There's nothing ever wrong but nothing's ever right
Such a cruel contradiction
I know I cross the lines its not easy to define
I'm born to indecision
There's always something new some path I'm supposed to choose
With no particular rhyme or reason



I feel like there is no need for conversation.

[WHorseTurtle]

There is nothing ever that is perfect, perfection is a lost cause that will only lead to confusion, illusion, and non elightenment.

Namaste
Francine

[Love_N_it]

still more love than it.
sorry

[Love_N_it]

it is definitely lost in this world, but it isn't because we misplaced it...
it was stolen from us and nothing we could ever do, or ever gain the ability to do, will be able to replace it.

It's taken too long and I'm sorry for that, but I've finally got my sights set on one truly lawless entity that currently manipulates and inserts 80% of the synthetic chemicals that are introduced into our environment. 5 out of the 6 top US officials and policymakers have been on their payroll and they provide 80% of the worlds seed. They also provide many of the pharmacutical relief for the symptoms of our side effects to the diseases they have introduced, yet they claim to lack the ability to cure us.

The sad part is that theese mad scientist and crooked politicians are responsible for introducing poisonous synthetic chemicals and have altered the structure of our genes, and there is no way for me to go back in time to prevent it from an eternal existance in every form of life this planet will ever see.

Allow me to introduce to you the true powerhouse of the sicknesses, birth defects, cancers and dysfunctional learning abilities that plague the US,.
and will effect all of us eventually. The biotechnology company that gave us agent orange, round-up, and synthetic genes.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.html

Hopefully in the near future, anyone who has or had a relationship with this company and all of it's subsidiaries will be field dressed at sunrise on Saturday in the middle of our main streets.
Among countless other atrocities, the people supporting Monsanto's ability to spike nearly all of Americas MILK with rBGH (a synthetic bovine groth hormone proven to be toxic that is banned from every other country in the world), is also responsible for a the addition of the term "frankenfood" to the english dictionary.

My new dream is to see theese motherfuckers bleed.

[ginseng23]

Hey Love in it i totally agree with you. The fda is evil and against anything natural because natural stuff doesnt make them or the doctors in America any money. They want people to take their synthetic drugs and eat fast food/processed food so we all get cancer and the doctors can make money off surgery and prescribing synthetics to those who are sick. Some people in America are so totally ignorant/ stupid that they believe taking a pill is gonna lower their cholesterol.

Ha ha eating the wrong stuff and then thinking a man-made pill will cure u??

The most effective way to lower cholesterol or reduce risk of heart disease is to include a diet rich in mono-unsaturated fat( I.E Olive oil).

The stupid FDA doesn't want people to know that though. Fruits and vegetables as well as many herbs have anti-oxidants which can prevent cancers from starting in the first place.

Good fats like olive oil prevent cancers, while bad fats like trans-fat causes cancer.


Hey people have evolved to take fruits and vegetables and differnt herbs not these stupid recent inventions of money hungry fda scientists.

Apples are safer on the human body than some synthetic crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Love_N_it]

my new dream is to come back here and ba a normal person and friend to some of ya'll................



after a long and excruciating learning process that there is nothing that I can do to make our lives better in such an overall aspect as I once believed.

I don't know who I thought I was .

I did try my ass off tho !