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nirgal
11-28-2004, 02:00 AM
Practical Shamanism:
an interview with don Miguel Ruiz

by Tasha K. Taylor

Don Miguel Ruiz not only teaches the mastery of love, but he embodies love. The first time I met him, he gave me an unsolicited hug. Not really sure what to do at the time, I returned his hug, and found myself overwhelmed with the most amazing feeling of love. In his quiet way, he truly allowed me to feel what unconditional love was like.

Ruiz, the author of The Four Agreements (1997), The Mastery of Love (1999), and The Four Agreements Companion Book (2000), has gained international attention for his practical approach to Toltec shamanism. He presents this philosophy in a very simple style, giving his readers easily understood tools they can immediately utilize to transform their lives. Don Miguel has fully integrated the age-old traditions of his ancestors into the modern-day world, and he has demystified Toltec shamanism by developing tools that anyone can follow to become a spiritual warrior.

Born into a family of healers, don Miguel was raised in rural Mexico by a curandera (healer) mother and a nagual (shaman) grandfather. The family anticipated that Miguel would embrace their centuries-old legacy of healing and teaching, but instead he chose to attend medical school and become a surgeon. A car accident and near-death experience in the early 1970s changed his life, and he began an intensive practice of self-inquiry. He devoted himself to the mastery of the ancient ancestral wisdom. Since that time, don Miguel Ruiz has dedicated his life to sharing his knowledge of the teachings of the ancient Toltec people.

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Tasha: What do you see as the cause of personal distress in our lives today?

Don Miguel: There is only one reason we suffer, and when we understand this it is easy to understand all our problems. The reason we suffer is because we believe lies.

The millions of lies that we believe cause us to suffer and keep us from living in our integrity. One big lie people believe is "I'm not good enough." People tell themselves, "I am ugly, nobody loves me, nobody likes me, I am stupid." Think about the lies you tell yourself and ask, "Does this make me happy, or does it make me suffer?" There is only one way to change this situation, and it is to stop believing in lies. So simple, but so difficult.

Because it is difficult to stop believing our own lies, which we have told ourselves for so long, I created the four agreements: Be impeccable with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions. Always do your best. These four agreements can help you to break apart your lies.

If you use these four agreements daily, your whole life will change. You will start to see your lies, so you can change them.

Tasha: Is there any way that people can use the four agreements against themselves, as another lie?

Don Miguel: Everybody can use any concept for manipulation. They can use loyalty for manipulation, also honesty and love. So of course they can use "don't take anything personally" in a manipulative way as well.

Depending on what point of view they are using, people can use the agreements against themselves, as another lie. "Don't take anything personally" does not mean "Do not take responsibility for your actions."

By not taking anything personally, you keep your clarity, and you can choose how to react. But as soon as you take something personally, you get emotional, and then it is more difficult to see the problem clearly and to see the solution. By not taking anything personally, we retain our clarity to make an active choice.

Tasha: How do you recommend that individuals work with the four agreements in their daily lives?

Don Miguel: They can use the four agreements by actively applying them to every decision and action, at work, with friends, and in relationship. If you continue to apply these agreements to all parts of your life, you will see how your lies used to run your life.

Tasha: How can your teaching and practices assist individuals in overcoming their personal relationship issues?

Don Miguel: People in relationships have to be honest with themselves. They need to be aware of where the relationship is, and if they really want that relationship or not.

Whether they really love that person or not, they have to be aware of up to what point they allow themselves to be abused. They need to be aware of what kind of agreements they have in relationship, and then they have to improve their communication. Communication creates new agreements, so you reinforce the agreements that are working and you break the ones that are not working.

Through forgiveness and respect, we have to allow each other to deal with whatever wounds we have in our minds. With respect, we don't need to control the other person or make them a certain way. We love them exactly for who they are.

They are responsible for their half of the relationship, and we are responsible for our half. We become a team, which means we play together, and not against each other. For a relationship to succeed, each person must open themselves to give and receive one hundred percent and to be loved one hundred percent.

Tasha: How do we learn to truly let love into our lives?

Don Miguel: You need to accept yourself just the way you are. You need to improve the personal relationship with you yourself. You need to learn to like yourself, and them to love yourself. At that point it is easy to love everyone else and to love yourself unconditionally. To do this, start by saying yes when you want to say yes, and say no when want to say no.

Learn to be yourself: don't believe your lies; don't take them personally. Trust what you want, and remember that you have the right to change your choices at any time you want to. You can change your mind to change your beliefs.

Tasha: What is the primary philosophy behind Toltec shamanism?

Don Miguel: Toltecs are artists of the spirit, dream masters. By becoming aware of their lies, they create a new dream, exactly as they want it. By removing their faith from the lies and agreements that make them suffer, Toltecs put their faith into creation and life, into respect and unconditional love, into seeing with the eyes of love instead of the eyes of fear or jealousy or doubt.

Tasha: What practical advice can you give a person who wants to begin the path to healing by becoming a Toltec shaman?

Don Miguel: It is all about action and awareness, and uncovering the truth of who you are. It is easier if you have people around you who also are working with the four agreements. Create a community of people dedicated to their freedom by sharing the four agreements with the people you love, the people at work, your family. Then you can support each other in creating a new dream, one based in love.

Kim, this is the same guy that wrote the other article.....

HoneySuckleBlue
11-28-2004, 06:03 AM
Thank you for posting this It actually reinforced some things I'd discovered over the summer. I am very open to any thing else you find on the subject.

Learning to Love yourself so that you may Love others is so important! I was glad to see it broken down into the four agreements....I am gonna have to teach this to my girls.

Man, momma's got alot of learning to do:& but I like our little community dedicated to Freedom:)

nirgal
11-28-2004, 02:30 PM
:) Yes, Yes!
"All truths, i believe, resonate from a chord"

Here is another note in it...

From: http://www.joydancer.com/notebook/transformation.html

Allan Hardman: Don Miguel, you often describe our lives as a dream. Would you explain what you mean?

Don Miguel: Yes, thank you. All the drama in your life, all the comedy in your life, all the love in your life, all those disappointments, the good parts, the bad parts-- all of that is nothing but a dream. And it is wonderful to know that because it is a dream, you can start taking charge of how to dream your life. It is not about believing or not believing. It is about what is. You dream your life according to what you believe.

Allan: So we all have a different dream?

Don Miguel: We can say that we perceive the same things, but we analyze everything completely differently. We take everything in a different point of view but it is just a dream. The way you dream your life, you create all those images about yourself and about everything-- all those images about how everything should be. We create a whole mythology-- heroes and villains. That mythology is just your beliefs and it is not even real or true... but it rules your life. And that is your personal dream.

Allan: What do you mean, then, when you talk about being a dream master?

Don Miguel: By being a dream master, we change as fast as the dream changes. And we adapt to the dream, instead of resisting the dream, and guide the dream in whatever direction we want to.

I want to share with everybody the three rules that I gave you guys when you became my apprentices. Rule number one: Don't believe me. I don't want you to believe me but I want you to listen and make choices-- your choices. If what I say doesn't work for you, leave it. but if it works for you and that is what you want, then make it yours.

Rule number two: Don't believe yourself. Why? Because most of your belief system is a lie-- it is not true. And by believing yourself, you create all the imitations that don't allow you to be what you really are. Don't believe yourself. Listen to what you say, listen to what you think, listen to what you believe. And when you listen, open your ears, open your mind, open your intelligence and make choices.

Rule number three: Don't believe anybody else. Don't believe them at all. Open your ears and your mind, listen and make choices.

If you follow these three simple rules, you can go anywhere in the world and still protect your new dream of love and heaven in your mind. You have to be aware of what it is that you believe. You have to listen to that voice and make choices.

Allan: It seems like we all have so many different voices, arguing in our heads. . . what you call the "Mitote," the sound of 1,000 people in the market place all talking at once and nobody listening.

Don Miguel: You are so right. Just because you hear an inner voice, that does not mean that what it says is true. No. Don't believe it. Follow your heart. You can understand. And you can make choices.

Allan: You are challenging people to make very big changes in their lives. Why is it that people seem to resist change? Is it just because we are afraid of the unknown?

Don Miguel: Once you break all those beliefs, you don't believe me, you don't believe yourself, you donÍt believe anybody else, it begins to look like chaos. Why? Because the reason we need to believe is in order to feel faith. You begin to feel that your whole system is cracking, so you no longer are safe. The old dream is a nightmare that makes humans into slaves and puppets of that dream, and makes you believe that you are just a human and that you are not perfect. But you want to believe it!

You are so much more than just a human. There is all that possibility-- all that magic and power that is limited by your own beliefs, by you own life, by the way you lie to yourself. If we change that, there is nothing else that can limit us. Everything is possible, including for you to be always happy and always in love.

Allan: You are talking about a complete transformation of what we believe about ourselves and our lives!

Don Miguel: Yes. What I am giving you right now is the first half of the Toltec Mastery of Transformation, which is the destruction of an old dream or belief system. The second half of the Mastery of Transformation is the re-creation of a dream. [The three Masteries of the Toltecs are Awareness, Transformation, and Love (Intent).]

And that is what my "Four Agreements" are about. They are the way to re-create the dream. And the result is what we call the mastery of love, which is a way to live your life and a way of being, in your own way and with your integrity, just the way you are. It is a dream that is completely love.

But you need to do your work to change your beliefs and your ways. You need to become a dream artist. It is the supreme art that all human beings have. When you have the awareness and power, you are definitely going to make different choices. Having that power is what we call free will. If you could make a choice, you are never going to choose anger, jealousy, emotional pain, or suffering. You choose that way of dreaming because you have no choice. If you have a choice, you are going to be always happy, always in love.

Allan: Tell us the Four Agreements.

Don Miguel: Number one is to be impeccable with your word, which means that you never are going to use the word against yourself. You never go against yourself. The second agreement is: DonÍt take anything personally. If you don't take anything personally, you will not be offended wherever you go. Because the truth is that whatever people do or donÍt do, it is not because of you.

Number three is don't make assumptions because the way we learn to dream the dream is based on assumptions. That is how we create all those big dramas. By not creating assumptions, we avoid all those lies-- we recover part of our integrity. And the most important agreement is: Always do your best. For sure, you always can do your best. And your best changes all the time-- when you are sick or tired, your best is different than when you are awake and fresh. But by always doing your best, your are always going to be content with yourself.

If you make the choice to do your best and believe it, that is your best. You have the power to make the choice. And magic begins to happen in your life. This is the mastery of life. This is the goal of the Toltec. This is the path to personal freedom.

Allan: Thank you don Miguel.

Don Miguel: Thank you for giving me this opportunity to share my love with everybody.

HoneySuckleBlue
11-28-2004, 04:50 PM
Getting the concept of personal integrity and using it is something I've only begun to work on.

For some reason it is so hard for me to approach anything with a remembered intent because it always feels like it is somethingnew so I tended to approach it like I was also something new...even though I have always just been me.

It's hard to describe, but I think something just clicked :)

Thank you for your time and your energy Greg!

mariecstasy
11-28-2004, 08:01 PM
you know what would be an awesome idea...well i think so anyway...if we bought one or all of the books. and after we were done, mailed them to another big fielder...and around until we all got to read them and they would get back to the original owner. it would be nice to do that with a number of books. what do you say?

and thank you indeed for posting this. another good person to read is thich naht hahn....much of this sounds like some of his writing, except in each of their words instead.

HoneySuckleBlue
11-28-2004, 08:18 PM
That's a great idea Marie. I think we should start with books that we have and have learned alot from and are'nt really doing anything with right now...

(I have books I work out of and then books that I have taken notes out of and pretty much don't really open any more you know?)

Though I would definately be interested in doing the series with y'all too.

mariecstasy
11-28-2004, 08:31 PM
when i go to my sisters house i will have to get some books out...
so perhaps if noone has these ones, and i have nothing to contribute right now, i could go get the first one of the series....
i could be our christmas presents to one another...we will share the gift of knowledge and love

HoneySuckleBlue
11-28-2004, 10:23 PM
Then I want to be second on your list and i will buy the number two book and send it to you :) ...is that how this works??

I am easily cornfused...:&

mariecstasy
11-28-2004, 11:22 PM
its however we want it to work......i liked your idea of sending books that have affected us....but as i said, mine are in storage so it would be easier, and since this thread is what brought up the idea, for me to just go buy this first book....perhaps then we can see if we are intrigued enough to go after number 2? but in the meantime you can just send what you have?
what do you think?

HoneySuckleBlue
11-28-2004, 11:24 PM
That'll work:)

nirgal
11-29-2004, 12:20 AM
I just recently stumbled across this guy, while searching for something else, and he resonated with me. Glad I'm not the only one :)
Good idea on the books, just tell me which one to buy. I'll see if I have any worth sending around... we have such a good library system here, that I seldom buy books any more

"It's hard to describe, but I think something just clicked "
I thought I sensed a light going on today ;)

HoneySuckleBlue
11-29-2004, 12:30 AM
Man, you are so lucky! Our libraries suck much butt. They are extremely small, usually old victorian style houses remodeled to contain a few shelves of books that are mostly from the 1950's...blegh:p


yes~yes, today was a lightbulb day. It's always been difficult for me to define my boundaries, especialy when your a 'I'll try anything once' kinda person:)

nirgal
11-29-2004, 12:46 AM
:)


Yeah, the whole system is online and I can browse all the offerings in the whole county as well as reserve books or have them brought to my local branch, from here. Of course this is one of the first places the DHS has set up to monitor who reads what... so I check out questionable material every once in a while :D

mariecstasy
11-29-2004, 12:53 AM
awesome...that is a good idea. i will have to make sure i do that too...
and my library system is the same..they get books from all the local places as well esp the university of maryland..so there isnt much that i can't get.. it's pretty nice

HoneySuckleBlue
11-29-2004, 12:55 AM
No wonder Delawareian's are so backwards...*pouts*

Scholar_Warrior
11-29-2004, 04:19 AM
I read the four agreements and found it very practical and useful! Good stuff, tho' it seems a bit different from Castaneda's version of Toltec, which I got a lot out of too!

I think maybe truth is simple. and so making the approach to truth simple might be a very good approach. my direction in martial art is along this line as well. instead of learning thousands of techniques and trying to memorise and integrate them, I am absorbing certain principles that drive all effective techniques and the principles will teach me the rest.

thanks for sharing. it was useful.

nirgal
11-30-2004, 12:10 AM
"Diane: One of the things that made an impact on me from your first book, The Four Agreements[4], was what you said about being abusive to ourselves.

Don Miguel: I said that you will not allow anyone to abuse you more than you abuse yourself. If somebody abuses you more than you abuse yourself, you will leave. But if someone abuses you just a little less, you'll stay, because you believe that you deserve it.

The more you love yourself, the less tolerant you become of abuse from others. When you love yourself, you will not allow anyone to abuse you."

HoneySuckleBlue
11-30-2004, 12:55 AM
What happened to not taking anything personaly:p

nirgal
11-30-2004, 01:50 AM
Without having read the book... ;)

I believe he is talking about how we lie to ourselves in the sense of thinking we are not good enough or unworthy, or that we not living up to expectations, something along those lines..... self abuse. When we get beyond doing that to ourselves, why would we accept it from someone else on a regular basis? Self preservation plays in here too. The choice being either to try and help the other person to love themselves into realization or step away from it, because it's their choice also. It is up to each of us to fix ourselves.

Scholar_Warrior
11-30-2004, 04:29 AM
absolutely right!


and also, everyone you know is part of the same divine energy; to be in connection is divine. put a good energy into it.

nirgal
11-30-2004, 02:31 PM
We can point the way when we see a little of it, we can work to be what we find and we can talk about it and try to shine light on things. But it's up to who ever it is that you are trying to show, to go that way. They have to want to do so. Because they also have the choice of staying in the security of the illusion. And choosing to stay there, also nessesitates trying to pull others back into it in order to maintain it and confirm it's sense of reality and security.

HoneySuckleBlue
11-30-2004, 03:00 PM
It takes a really unique type of individual not to get drawn into others illusions. I think it is an inate part of human nature to want to share the illusions and for others to want to integrate them, what ever they may be.

nirgal
11-30-2004, 03:15 PM
Yes, Yes

Scholar_Warrior
12-01-2004, 03:45 AM
it takes a really unique individual to not get caught up in one's own illusions. other people's illusions are relatively easy to avoid.


love.