Aircraft IR

[garf12]

I know that the DEA and other law enforcement agencies use helicopters and IR scanners to look for warm spots to bust growers. Anyone know how much you gotta be growing to raise suspicion. I’m pretty sure 4 or 5 plants wouldn’t be a problem.

I keep hearing helicopters flying over my house constantly. I think it migh be Bush and his people flying in and out of his ranch cause I live really close to it. Im not worried though cause I dont grow, just intrested for future reference.

[Koko4]

Man I hear helicopters flyin' all around my house this time of year too..it's kinda of.. weird, especially if they come all close and shit. But I don't think like 4-5 plants would raise suspicion..unless you have a LOT of heat concentrated in a little space..because then they could find all that heat.

[reef]

yah, those plants should be fine. you should worry more about the increase in power used, cause those lights suck up so much energy

[Koko4]

I have one small plant growing in my woods now..I check on it about once a week and that's the only time I water it.. hope it grows http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

[garf12]

I just recently started taking flying lessons, and when I am out flying over the country I allways look for ganja crops. haha hey you never know!

[Koko4]

Hell yeah garf I wanted to take those for a while..that'd be really cool. And I hope you find a nice huge crop somewhere..you should start lookin in Canada though! http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Shamrock]

if u live close, mail bush a dime every week for a month

[Koko4]

A dime of pot or a dime as in $0.10?

I don't get it.

[TreePhiend]

a dime means $10 worth of pot. A nickel means $5 worth of pot.

[Peace]

i dont think it matters how many plants your growing but rather how much heat your putting off. Like a 1000 watt hps would put off more heat than a 400 watt mh. Ive read that they wont detect anything below like 5000 watts or something. im not that sure.

By the way, i have 12 plants a growin :)

[Koko4]

a dime means $10 worth of pot. A nickel means $5 worth of pot.
I know that I was just asking if he meant send Bush:

a.) A dime ($10) worth of pot.
b.) An actual dime (like the coin) (US)

[garf12]

I know that I was just asking if he meant send Bush:

a.) A dime ($10) worth of pot.
b.) An actual dime (like the coin) (US)
Yeah what the hell was he talking about? and how did bush even come up?

[porkstock41]

bush came up because you said you live close to him. but i don't understand either why you would mail him a dime every week (weed or money).

[MagicMushrooms]

I know that the DEA and other law enforcement agencies use helicopters and IR scanners to look for warm spots to bust growers. Anyone know how much you gotta be growing to raise suspicion. I’m pretty sure 4 or 5 plants wouldn’t be a problem.

I keep hearing helicopters flying over my house constantly. I think it migh be Bush and his people flying in and out of his ranch cause I live really close to it. Im not worried though cause I dont grow, just intrested for future reference.
Do you realy think the cops are gonna use their helicopters to hunt down sum guy growing a few plants in his yard when they could be busting International drug-lords. I think some one is being a little paranoid

[NoVictimNoCrime]

Do you realy think the cops are gonna use their helicopters to hunt down sum guy growing a few plants in his yard when they could be busting International drug-lords. I think some one is being a little paranoid
you can never be too paranoid when it comes to our government, theyre crazy!

[TrippinBTM]

Well, if you're growing outside, they don't start searching for weed with helicopters until closer to harvest time, in the fall. So don't worry about that yet.

If your growing inside...well, I don't know much about that so i'll stop typing now.

[Archemetis]

Do you realy think the cops are gonna use their helicopters to hunt down sum guy growing a few plants in his yard when they could be busting International drug-lords. I think some one is being a little paranoidi think its far more likely that cops would be hunting down some small time grower vs. international drug-lords...they like the easier targets.

[MagicMushrooms]

well... bigger bust= more donut money for the piggies

[SpliffVortex]

The Germans produced an incredible number of Fliegerabwehrkanone or "Flak" guns to protect their troops in the field and eventually to provide a moderately effective system of radar directed Flak and searchlight systems to protect their major industrial cities, in particular those of the Ruhr valley.



http://www.constable.ca/ltflak.jpg

Light Flak typically consisted of heavy 12.7 mm machine guns and 20 mm towed cannons that could be set up quickly around troop and armoured groups for anti-aricraft protection. These guns were light, fast firing and quite effective against aircraft at low altitudes. They eventually were found all throughout the German held countries to provide protection for railroads, bridges, towns, important cross-roads and anywhere the Germans felt they needed protection. They made it quite dangerous to fly low over certain areas, such as coast lines in a slow bomber, as they would fire at almost anything flying in their area.

http://www.constable.ca/midflak.jpgMedium Flak guns were typically 37 mm towed guns operated by a large crew. They were slower firing than the 20 mm guns, but had a longer range and were more deadly. They were used in conjunction with the smaller guns or at more important military installations. Their longer range allowed them to be used in the defence of German cities. Their streams of shells could be seen rising into the bomber stream as globes of yellow or red. They were contact bursting shells only.



http://www.constable.ca/flak88s.jpgHeavy Flak typically consisted of the highly effective and ubiquitous 88 mm cannon set up in anti-aircraft mode. By 1942 over 15,000 88 mm cannons formed the bulwark of Flak defenses for Germany arrayed in Flak belts stretching across Holland and Germany, in places 20 km thick. Many batteries were radar directed and worked cooperatively with searchlight batteries. The image above is of a radar directed battery of 88's night firing. Heavier guns of 130 mm and 150 mm were also used. The heavy Flak shells exploded at pre-set heights.



Flak was the nightmare of bomber crews as it wasn't predictable, you couldn't see it coming and if you swerved to avoid the bursts in front, you could just as easily fly into the next set of shells. They exploded in daylight with puffs of black smoke with little red interiors, and made muffled "krumppp" sounds (due to the high levels of noise in the Allied bombers). At night they flashed quickly yellow or red and dissappeared. When one hit close the shards of shrapnel banged through the aircraft and pinged off of more solid members. With a direct hit from an 88 mm or larger shell the aircraft would stagger, sometimes stall, fill with smoke and screaming wounded airmen. Sometimes a wing would fold up and the bomber would go straight down in flames. Other times the entire aircraft would simply vanish in a dirty ball of fire, smoke and bits of plane and man. Many other times the aircraft and men would fly on, riddled with holes but still fighting. Only to have to try to land somewhere without lights, damaged under carriages, missing engines and wounded or dead crew. Often they bombed their targets only to die in a crash landing.

Technical Details
The 20 mm Flak guns were served by four men and were typically towed behind a vehicle. Some were set up in Flak wagons, a light tank body with four 20 mm cannons mounted on it. These were especially deadly to low flying aircraft. They fired 20 mm exploding shells up to xxxx meters at a rate of ......./min. The 37 mm medium Flak guns were served by 7 or 8 men and were towed behind a truck or the German version of a half-track. They were used to protect more valuable targets, or were in combination with light Flak guns in the field, or with heavy Flak guns in cities. They fired a 37 mm contact-exploding shell to xxxxxxxx meters at a rate of ......./min.

The 88 mm heavy Flak guns were typically set up in semi-permanent batteries intended to provide long-term protection in a Flak belt or in a city. They could be dismounted from the battery in short order and towed away as they were designed to be mobile. When directed by radar and/or working in conjuntion with searchlights they were quite deadly, often downing more aircraft over a city than the German night fighters. They fired altitude-fused or proximity-fused shells up to 49,000 feet at 3 shells/min.

[SpliffVortex]

The 88mm anti-aircraft gun always proved effective in defending against Russian tank assaults
The Treaty of Versailles banned Germany from possessing anti-aircraft guns, until the 1932 Geneva Disarmament Conference granted equal defensive rights with other sovereign states. This leaded to the appearance of the 88mm Flak 18 (FlugzeugAbwehrKannone) , which replaced the secretly developed 75mm Flak L/60. The 88mm Flak was originally intended exclusively for anti-aircraft defense, being used to protect important military or supply sites from air attack, but it became famous as an antitank gun. At the fronts, the Flak guns were assigned other combat tasks such as antitank use, supporting troops under pressure in ground combat, and on the coasts they they even fired on sea targets and fought off attemps to land.http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm1.jpghttp://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm7.jpgA 88mm Flak 18 in position and ready to go in actionFlak crew wearing sheepcoats At its very first use by the Legion Kondor volunteer unit in the Spanish Civil War, the Flak gun was also used on the front lines to attack bunkers and pinpoint targets with anti-tank shells, or against enemy troops, using time-fuze shells with high exploding points. The 88mm Flak gun stood out on all fronts because of its mobility, rapid rate of fire (15 to 25 rounds per minute, depending on the crew's level of training) and number of possible uses. The Flak also played an outstanding part in penetrating the Maginot line in 1940. In this action antitank shells were fired to put the crews of many concrete bunkers and armored turrets out of action. The best range for firing on bunkers proved to be 600 to 2000 meters. http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm11.jpgleft: 88mm Flak advancing in France. Shields were issued particularly to those units that had the task of protecting the front-line troops. The supply of ammunition is in the box on the rear of the truck. The AA guns used in ground combat were often not camouflaged since they could rely on their long-range antitank capability for protection. right: An 88mm Flak ant-aircraft battery goes to take position. The guns is towed by a 12-ton Daimler-Benz Kfz. 8 Zugkraftwagen. Fastened to the rear fender of each trailer is a cable drum on which a communication wire is rolled. It was used for connections between the command post and the guns.

http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm13.jpgA Sd.Kfz. 7 8-ton halftrack tows an '88' to the next battleA crew member lowers down the rear supportIn the Western campain in May 1940 the 88mm Flak was the only weapon that penetrated the heavy French and British tank armor. One famous but desperate action of the 88mm Flak took place on 21 May 1940, when 74 British heavy tanks drove through the German line of advance near Arras. The 37mm anti-tank guns of the German regiments prove inadequate to penetrate the armor of the the British tanks, and were overrun. Fortunately for the Germans, 105mm field artillery and 88mm dual-purpose guns were deployed well in the rear to provide indirect fire and anti-aircraft support. Although not positioned specifically as an anti-tank screen, the German gun crews were able to defeat the triumphant British tank columns who were driving in open country.

[SpliffVortex]

http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm8.jpghttp://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm10.jpgAn 88mm Flak gun secures an exit roadLoading the 88mm Flak gunGreat demands were made of Flak units, which accompanied the Panzer troops on their fast advances and received alternating air-protection and ground-combat assignments. That often meant moving their positions two or three times a day, including the work of trenching. Very often in this action, motorized units of the army had to be caught and passed, so as to guarantee gap-free protection against air attacks along the advance route. Single 88mm Flak guns were also used by so-called Flak battle troups to wipe out enemy points of resistence. The strong armor of Soviet tanks like the KV-1 made it almost impossible for German tanks to destroy them during the first years of the war. The anti-tank units could scarcely hold their own against the Russian tanks with their 37mm Pak guns (known to the troops as "army door-knockers" because of their poor penetrating power). Some reports speak of 40 to 50 direct hits by 37mm and 50mm shells simply bouncing off some KVs. Only the "88" was able to deal with them, and could destroy any Soviet vehicle at ranges far beyond 2000m. Thus it quickly became legendary among the German soldiers -and no doubt among the Russians as well.

http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm6.jpgThe 88mm Flak 18 on a 12-ton towing tractor...... and as 88mm Flak 37 on a special chassisIn order to make self-propelled versions of the '88', 10 of the 88mm Flak 18 guns were mounted on the Zugkraftwagen 12t, and they served with the 8. sPz.Jag.Abt in Poland and France. They carried no battalion markings, only the national insignia and the von Kleist corps letter on the right mudguard. In the Russian campaign the '88' proved so succesful in action against the heavy Russian T34 and "Joseph Stalin" tanks that this gun, in somewhat modified form, was mounted on the chassis of the PzKpfw III and PzKpfw IV to make it more mobile for Russian road and off-road conditions. These tank destroyers were known by the names of Hornisse (Hornet) and nashorn(Rhinoceros). Later a derivate of the German PzKpfw V was armed with this "high-velocity cannon", resulting in the Jagdpanther, as was a derivate of the Porsche PzKpfw VI, the "Elefant". http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/88mm2.jpgA sudden tank attack must be fought off. Only in exceptional
cases was the gun fired directly from its trailor. The side
spars are folded down, but the gun has not been lowered. An 88mm Flak in combat against French tanks
during the Allied counter-attack near Arras

[MagicMushrooms]

I think your in the wrong forum man

[geckopelli]

This is a non-issue.

A while back, the Supreme Court ruled that the 4th amendment protection against un-warranted search included the use of remote search technology. They can't legally point a directional microphone at you, they can't scan your cell calls, and they can't point infared detectors at your house. These things (and others) are legally defined as searches, and require warrants.

And even if they could- a hot spot hardly proves conspiracy. Maybe you've got a tanning bed. Or are growing hydroponic roses.

In fact, in the past, when they could do it, they still couldn't get a warrant on IR "evidence". What they did was knock on your door, knowing full well that amateurs always give themselves up by letting the pigs in out of ignorant fear.

It didn't faze the rest of us. Can you say, "GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY YARD, PORKY!"?

[sacrament32]

wtf was all that stuff with the cannon and shiz huh now im confused???

[TrippinBTM]

hey geck, what about searching from a helicopter? Is that "a search" or can they just scan whole neighborhoods with their instruments for marijuana plants?

[SpliffVortex]

i was giving you options on how to shoot them down.

[MagicMushrooms]

Are you serious? What would you be shooting down, police planes... With a WW2 gun. because we all have those laying around the house somewhere

[MagicMushrooms]

And why the hell are you in the marijuana forum, You obviously have no intrest in it?

[SpliffVortex]

And why the hell are you in the marijuana forum, You obviously have no intrest in it? are you a mind reader?

[SpliffVortex]

Are you serious? What would you be shooting down, police planes... yes that was the general message.

[MagicSwhirlingShip]

lol thanks for the history lesson spliff vortex

your cool in my book, we need more people like you on the forum.

[geckopelli]

hey geck, what about searching from a helicopter? Is that "a search" or can they just scan whole neighborhoods with their instruments for marijuana plants?
You don't control the airspace above your property, so they can fly over (or probably hover, for that matter) at will.
Anything they see visually is in plain sight.

But using electronic survilance is a no-no.

A pair of binoculars?- you could argue it ethier way.

Of course, the bad guys will sometimes cheat thier own rules anyway, and you can still lose alot even though you win the case in court.

[TrippinBTM]

You don't control the airspace above your property, so they can fly over (or probably hover, for that matter) at will.
Anything they see visually is in plain sight.

But using electronic survilance is a no-no.

A pair of binoculars?- you could argue it ethier way.

Of course, the bad guys will sometimes cheat thier own rules anyway, and you can still lose alot even though you win the case in court.
I seem to remember reading something about helecopters equipped with some sort of spectral machine, that surveys the spectral output of the plants in an area, and that marijuana has a specific "fingerprint" so to speak. Maybe they only do that over public land though, I can't remember.

[underplay]

I seem to remember reading something about helecopters equipped with some sort of spectral machine, that surveys the spectral output of the plants in an area, and that marijuana has a specific "fingerprint" so to speak. Maybe they only do that over public land though, I can't remember.
Yea i think i heard that somewhere too.

i was giving you options on how to shoot them down. lol, your technology is outdated.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stinger-2.jpg

[SpliffVortex]

no they use the infrared camera to spot the thermal heat . you can beat it with extensive insulation and cooling but be carefull becouse if you burn to much juice the electric company turns you in "they rat out on you" .

[Quest_techie]

if you're worried about a hotspot in tou house just put it somewhere near your kitchen or conversly put a convection oven near the heat lamps, don't use it just have it there as an excuse, an oven puts off a greater IR sig than a heatlamp, a woodstove moreso, just have it so you can show it off to nosy piggies

[PLyTheMan]

Spliff, your post made me seriously laugh out loud. Bought time the war on drugs gets evenly matched.

I know the whole thermal scan was ruled as too invasive, but nowadays with the Patriot Act begining to be used to crack down on drugs it wouldn't seem to far out of the realm of possibility...

I've heard about a camera or sensor or whatever that can find pot even under a canopy of trees, so that plant finger-print theory sounds about right.

[Eugene]

Although they probably can't use the IR images to obtain a search warrant, it'll tell them where to look, and then they can find another way in...

[SpliffVortex]

Spliff, your post made me seriously laugh out loud. Bought time the war on drugs gets evenly matched.

I know the whole thermal scan was ruled as too invasive, but nowadays with the Patriot Act begining to be used to crack down on drugs it wouldn't seem to far out of the realm of possibility...

I've heard about a camera or sensor or whatever that can find pot even under a canopy of trees, so that plant finger-print theory sounds about right. i want make this clear OK . the reason the use the thermal camera is people who grow the stuff in a bedroom size even a whole house . not 1 or 2 plants . the lamp used for giving the plant ultraviolet and others creates lots of heat. they also burn lots of juice combine with the A.C unit to keep temp safe for the plants. 1 little lamp used for 1 or 2 plant is not enough heat and would blend in with other heat making apliances in the house. ovens, fridge ,hot water heater etc . now 1 big room or the whole house would glow a lot stronger at night at a time when the house should be the coolest . ac on and everyone a sleep. But i well mention this again your power utility company can and have rat out on you for the power being used to the cops even if your happy to pay the bill.

[geckopelli]

TrippinBTM.

you're quite correct- they can use anything they want over public land, or with permission, over corporate land.

[SpliffVortex]

Although they probably can't use the IR images to obtain a search warrant, it'll tell them where to look, and then they can find another way in... Finding a reason to bust your doors down was never really a problem not today 2005 or even in the 60s with a home guard security. now is much easier .

[geckopelli]

If it was easy for the pigs to get away with unlawful entry into a private home, I wouldn't be around to post this!

Hooray for the US Constitution!

[SpliffVortex]

Yea i think i heard that somewhere too.

lol, your technology is outdated.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stinger-2.jpglol, your technology is outdated.

but it was more fun and challenging those stupid rockets are way to easy plus they make little noise.

[SpliffVortex]

If it was easy for the pigs to get away with unlawful entry into a private home, I wouldn't be around to post this!

Hooray for the US Constitution! You better wake up and smell the coffee and get out of that glass house you live in.

[SpliffVortex]

If it was easy for the pigs to get away with unlawful entry into a private home, I wouldn't be around to post this!

Hooray for the US Constitution! 1 call to the police and claim child abuse is taking place in your house. 1 call and say a burglar broke in your home while you were away from home . belief me you are kind of dumb i could go on with more on the list.

[SpliffVortex]

This is a non-issue.

A while back, the Supreme Court ruled that the 4th amendment protection against un-warranted search included the use of remote search technology. They can't legally point a directional microphone at you, they can't scan your cell calls, and they can't point infared detectors at your house. These things (and others) are legally defined as searches, and require warrants.

And even if they could- a hot spot hardly proves conspiracy. Maybe you've got a tanning bed. Or are growing hydroponic roses.

In fact, in the past, when they could do it, they still couldn't get a warrant on IR "evidence". What they did was knock on your door, knowing full well that amateurs always give themselves up by letting the pigs in out of ignorant fear.

It didn't faze the rest of us. Can you say, "GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY YARD, PORKY!"? your a complete idiot while searching for criminal activity or car chase if they see your house glow like a bulb they are going to write down the address and your fuck. next they check with the utility company "electric company" and see how much you burn . next is janet reno and the tanks outside with ATF. AND FDA ,IMIGRATION,FBI, CHILD WELFARE DEPT, AND YOUR LOCAL NEWS CHANNEL GOOD LUCK

[geckopelli]

You're an asshole.
Take your nazi whorship somewhere else.

[geckopelli]

1 call to the police and claim child abuse is taking place in your house. 1 call and say a burglar broke in your home while you were away from home . belief me you are kind of dumb i could go on with more on the list.
You putrid little authoritarian- it's all been tried by chickenshit nazi's before. They always lose.

Even if you snitch,

It don't matter! (except to your next of kin)

An anoynonmous tip brokes no warrants.

Look up the legal definition of probable cause, ignoramus.

As I said before, only amateurs let the gestapo in.

[Scholar_Warrior]

Bush did cocaine, you know he smoked at least a few doobs! feckin' hypocrite! feckin' Nazi!

[SpliffVortex]

You putrid little authoritarian- it's all been tried by chickenshit nazi's before. They always lose.

Even if you snitch,

It don't matter! (except to your next of kin)

An anoynonmous tip brokes no warrants.

Look up the legal definition of probable cause, ignoramus.

As I said before, only amateurs let the gestapo in. This fuck face thinks he lives in dream land .

[SpliffVortex]

Bush did cocaine, you know he smoked at least a few doobs! feckin' hypocrite! feckin' Nazi! This other idiot i dont know were he crawl out of.