SHIVA SKUNK (By Cannabis Professionals)

[GuySmiley]

SHIVA SKUNK (By Cannabis Professionals)



Hey everyone..... I have had some Shiva Skunk seeds from Cannabis Professionals for a while now and have decided to go with them this grow. Shiva Skunk is an awesome strain that carries quite a punch. I will be germinating 4 of them, hopefully I will get 4 females. Now that I will be adding my 150 HPS to the 250 HPS I already have in the grow cabinet, I can handle up to 4 for flowering now and get good results. I will be growing LST style again seeing as it treated me well last grow..

I went to the hydro shop today to get more soil and nutes. I also had to get more calibration solution for my pH meter.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... I bought some new vegging containers. They're awesome!!! The are 7.5 " square pots. They have a shitload of room for the plants during thier vegging stage. They can be used for both soil and hydro.

Here is a link with some info on this strains and a pic of the seeds from Cannabis Professionals......:

http://www.cannagenetics.com/module...unc=show&id=156 (http://www.cannagenetics.com/modules.php?n...unc=show&id=156)

http://www.cannabisprofessionals.com/cp2.html (http://www.cannabisprofessionals.com/cp2.html)

I dropped the 4 seeds in water at around 9 pm last night and all 4 have popped thier shells and are showing a taproot. This is getting off to a great start!!!! I will be putting them down in soil tonight. I'll post some pics tomorrow of the new vegging containers I am using.


Link to pic....:http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery.php?userid=690862&s=&action=view&in=svasknk.jpg

[GuySmiley]

I just can't get enough of growing my own smoke. I am 10 x's more mentally addicted to GROWING this herb than I am smoking it, HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I am now officially under way on my new Shiva Skunk grow. All 4 seeds have germinated and are down in the dirt. They germinated in an amazingly short amount of time.....under 12 hours.

In this pic you will see 3 of the 4 seedlings in thier new vegging containers. These new containers are GREAT!!!! They are 7.5" square containers. They have a lot of cubic inches for the root systems. They will be able to handle up to 7 weeks of vegging in these containers. They are also able to be used for hydro growing. IMHO, suqare containers are best for soil growing. I am going to switch over to 3 gallon square containers for flowering instead of the circular containers I currently use. I have never had any problems with getting rootbound, but that's because I mostly grow indica strains that stay under 4 feet tall. I would like to branch out into some sativa strains and the squared containers will give me more room per cubic inch.

The tube fluoro's these 3 seedlings are under throw off about 1,200 lumens per tube (about 2,400 lumens total). Here are some pics.....:

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery.php?userid=690862&s=&action=view&in=shiva-germ.jpg

[GuySmiley]

Here is the 4th seedling all by it's lonesome. It is getting some serious lumens under that FloreX fluorescent light (6,500 lumens). I always rotate my plants to create a morning, noon, and night effect, so each seedling will end up under that floodlight for at least 3 hours a day. I don't get a chance to rotate them like this everyday, but when I am home and can do it, I prefer to do so. I have noticed it increases my root growth. Once again, that's just an observation of my own....:

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery.php?userid=690862&s=&action=view&in=shivagerm2.jpg

[GuySmiley]

I know I am always ranting about how great Fox Farm's Ocean Forest is for growing. It is 100% organic and since starting to use it a while back, my crops have been MUCH healthier and produced bigger yeilds. Take a look at how rich this soil is in this pic. It hadn't even been watered yet, it looks like this straight outta' the bag....:

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery.php?userid=690862&s=&action=view&in=ffsoil.jpg

[GuySmiley]

Here are all of the wonderful little goodies in this soil. I always like to add about 10% more perilite to the mix. I find that extra added ratio of perilite makes for absolutely amazing drainage. It doesn't really need the extra perilite (It is ready for use straight outta' the bag), but mj is an oxygen loving plant and the more air that gets to the roots the healthier the plant grows...;

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery.php?userid=690862&s=&action=view&in=goodies.jpg

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

YOU AINT KIDDIN!! :) --Im lookin forward to see'in these grow for ya! -The tallents of Dirt Farmers amazes me! -Much Respect Brudda! -It works well for ya! :)

[GuySmiley]

The grow is coming along quite nicely. There are some really nice strains up for auction at my site. You should check out both.....

[b1v2w3]

where do you get this fox farms dirt and those square containers

[GuySmiley]

I bought them at a local hydro shop. Most hydro shops carry Fox Farm products and a good assortment of growing containers. I have decided to make some changes in my veg lighting. I am going to use a 125 watt fluorescent "Ezhydrolite". I have decided to purchase one and it will be here within the week. Here is a link to what the light looks like and some info....:

http://www.ezhydrokit.com/product_info.php...products_id=107 (http://www.ezhydrokit.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=107)

8,000 lumens is way more than what I have for vegging now, (currently running about 6,000 lumens), and it will help speed up the vegging process. The light comes with a real nice batwing reflector, which means I will be able to place all my vegging plants together under this one light. It also makes for GREAT additional light during flowering. The FloreX and fluorescent tube lighting I currently use to veg is just fine, but I don't like how awkward that spotlight is and the tube lighting just isn't powerful enough for fast growth.


I just posted some new pics and info. Things are coming along nicely. Check it out...:

http://www.weedtalk.com/board/index.php?showtopic=4211&st=30&#entry52387

[GuySmiley]

I received my new veg light a few days ago, it's sweet. 2/4 seed germinated ended up female (2 male)...not a bad ratio. I took a clone from one of the females, so I will have 3 Shiva Skunk flowering. You should go look.....

[GuySmiley]

Here are some better shots of the girls, they are starting to grow quickly and the canopies are staying nice and low due to the LST style. They have 1 week left of vegging, then to 12/12. They are almost 5 weeks into vegging. Say hi to froggy....:

[Mighty Mezz]

Guysmiley...how much yield can you expect from that little beauty in the pot? How long into budding before you harvest...is that where the art comes in, knowing just when to pick?

[GuySmiley]

Well, these two females are going on their 5th week of vegging. I will let them veg 1 more week before I start flowering, 12/12. I am hoping for 6-8 from the 2 girls. My last grow, NL #5, yeilded 5 1/2 oz's. I will flower them for 8-9 weeks, then harvest.


Some updated shots of my 2 females, I sent the clone over to my friend because he is currently plantless. I must pat myself on the back for my LST thus far, they are still under 5". They would be over a foot tall if I was to have let them grow vertical.

The have extremely short internode spacing and have been a snap to grow. They really like their nutes, but at 1/2 doeses every watering. They are very healthy and vigorous. I would definitely have to recommend CP's Shiva Skunk as a great plant to grow for newbies. They tend to like the soil somewhat dry between feedings, so newbies don't have to worry about not watering more frequently.

They have beautiful thick trunks and are odor free so far. Very indica dominant phenotypes, I am expecting good things from these girls...:

[GuySmiley]

Please feel free to ask any and all questions.....

[erowid]

Hey Hey
, I was wondering what does that LST style do for your yeilds, and under what plant types would you consider this style a benificial option.

[bUrNEd_oUt420]

how did u get those plants to be so bushy???? are those clones n they just bushesd out??? and what is the LST style???? im not too familiar with growing terms....my set-up is just pretty plain i lined th walls with aluminum foil and i have my light about 2 feet above the plants, my light source is a 120v 100watt growing light, and then i have a fan blowing on them 24 hours a day. right now i am doing 18 on and 6 off, thats what you told me to do b4 but when do i know to start 12-12 well obviously not for a while since mine look nothing like yours... well i can show u them in a few days bcz i dont have a digital camera.........yet. am i doing anythign wrong if so plzzz tell me bcz this is my first time and i think that i am doin good but i dont knwo if i am....thanx and have a good holiday!!!

[GuySmiley]

how did u get those plants to be so bushy???? are those clones n they just bushesd out??? and what is the LST style???? im not too familiar with growing terms....my set-up is just pretty plain i lined th walls with aluminum foil and i have my light about 2 feet above the plants, my light source is a 120v 100watt growing light, and then i have a fan blowing on them 24 hours a day. right now i am doing 18 on and 6 off, thats what you told me to do b4 but when do i know to start 12-12 well obviously not for a while since mine look nothing like yours... well i can show u them in a few days bcz i dont have a digital camera.........yet. am i doing anythign wrong if so plzzz tell me bcz this is my first time and i think that i am doin good but i dont knwo if i am....thanx and have a good holiday!!!LST (Low Stress Training), is a simple grow method that works similar to the SCROG technique. I basically tye down branches so that the whole plant has an even canopy. This way, the lower buds are getting the same amount of light as the upper buds and that will increase yeild. These plants were grown from seed, I feel seed plants are stronger than clones. I'm not sure than the grow light you have is any good, regardless, 2 feet is way too far away. The light should always be within 8 - 10 inches of the canopy, unless you have extremely powerful lighting and can't get tham that close. Take down the aluminum foil, it's useless. Foil only creates hot spots and raises temps in the grow area.

These bitches are growing like wildfire!!!!!! CP has a definite winner with his Shiva Skunk. The ease of growing this strain so far has been effortless. They smell alittle but the Skunk #1 will throw off some odor. These are beauties and they are almost 6 weeks into vegging. I will place them into flowering on Saturday. I hope you enjoy the pics....:

[bUrNEd_oUt420]

ok thanx but how did u get the 7 tops or what ever they are called? your plants are very beautiful but what shoudl i do with my plants are they too tall to start the LST method???? but in a few days you can prolly answer my questions better whne i show you some pics....thanx
and yes i enjoy the pics i am drooling...lol
you gotta sum way let me try sum of that bud.....lol
what part of new england????

[GuySmiley]

ok thanx but how did u get the 7 tops or what ever they are called? your plants are very beautiful but what shoudl i do with my plants are they too tall to start the LST method???? but in a few days you can prolly answer my questions better whne i show you some pics....thanx
and yes i enjoy the pics i am drooling...lol
you gotta sum way let me try sum of that bud.....lol
what part of new england????

I maintain many colas/tops because when you grow LST, the plant is growing horizontal instead of vertical. This is what allows for many colas, it evens out the top buds sites with the lower budsites and provides an even canopy for multiple colas.

I just placed the girls into 12/12 today. Here is a shot of them last night before I switched the lighting times...:

[bUrNEd_oUt420]

so those r now goin to grow verticle n bush out or r the buds just going to grow like that?????????

[b1v2w3]

Hey GuySmiley, love following your progress, learning much as it goes. Seeing that for vegging you use 6000 to 8000 lumens( saw that mogul socket @easyhydrolyte), I wonder what the max is the plants would use. I am using 250W MH and HPS setups from PFO Lightings with American Pride hoods. The HPS produces between 29000 and 26000 lumens and the MH 22000 to 17500. That also produces more heat and I don't know yet the minumum distance to miantain save temps. B1

[GuySmiley]

Depending on how you cool the bulbs, you can get the lights within 5" of the canopies with no problem of burning. My lights are about 5 " above my plants.

[b1v2w3]

Not doing anything to cool the bulbs. Should I? I have a window ac unit in the room. Running the fan (when the room temp is too low for ac) would do that? Other suggestions? Thanks.
b1
Adding a second question to this post a few hours later: are you saying in your earlier post about the ezyhydrolight that this one light set-up will take, like 6 plants, all the way thru the vegetative growth stage? and I can, thereafter, move them into my other room and let the flowering take place under the MH&HPS set-up? Still being new to indoor stuff, want to be sure I get it right.
b1

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

G'Mornin! :) Hey GuySmiley! :) Low Stress Training! -I fukin love it! -I didnt know what LST was till I read it in one of your posts! I do the same thing but in flower and I been callin it STROG flowerin. -Instead of a sea of green(sog) or a screen of green(scrog), I do a string of green(strog)! --Only diferance is,-I do all my tie'in in the flower room. -Excelent teck! -Ive only used it in the flower room but Ive been see'in that most folks use these teckneeks in veg. -Verry nice Brudda :) !

[GuySmiley]

Thank you... They are really starting to get big now. They are popping pistils everywhere and looking good. i will see alot of bud from these girls. They have a very large calyx to leaf ratio...;

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

---Thats what I like!! -A heavy calyx to leaf ratio :) . -I like it when the individual calyx's pick off the bud like grapes!

[GuySmiley]

I will see lots of colas from these girls...:

[GuySmiley]

No comments? Good or bad? :(

[meangreen]

Looking absolutely marvelous GS,I look forward to the day when you get more space to do more as do you I am sure of!

[GuySmiley]

Some day when I live in a more rural setting, I would LOVE to have a nice 12 x12 room with 4000 watts going to get some good yeild. I would like to only have to grow twice a year to support my needs. I smoke an oz a week now, so I have to keep the grows continuous. Thank you for the kind words......I am going to send you A SAMPLE OF THIS WHEN IT'S FINISHED. Ooops, the letters got big......sorry.

[GuySmiley]

Just one of the MANY budsites starting to form...:

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

7 - 9 colas per plant? -Nice! -Do ya tie alot in the first 2 weeks of flower also or dose the tying end after veg?

[GuySmiley]

I don't do very much tying in flower. I will release the ties around their 6th week of flowering.

[b1v2w3]

Hey GS very nice indeed. Trying to compare these with mine and see how well they stay in step. Would you mind posting the date you planted them/ Thanx b1

[GuySmiley]

They broke soil on Nov.15th......

[b1v2w3]

Hey GS, that nearly 3 wks before my SugarShacks. That's impressive!
Now about the tying: at what age do you start and what do you tie? Surely not the big fan leaves but the stem carrying the preflower structures that emerges at the same spot as the big fan leave, just above it, right? That's how I have it in the picture right now. I did only two, how many at the time. Thanks for following me up on this tread. b1

[GuySmiley]

I started to train them around their second week of vegging. Your ties look fine. You can tie it down an much as you want, I would suggest training for an even canopy.

[GuySmiley]

I will see many good sized colas from these two girls. You can see my clones in the bottom left hand corner. I am water cloning, this method takes longer to show roots (15-21 days). It is damn near 100% effective.


The trunks are thicker than wine corks. How the hell did that old hippy get under my tree? He must be hanging out with froggy sampling the cuisine?

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Hey Howdy Folks! Really SWEET GS/MP! :) B1.. -I hope your gettin the top down under the lats! -It just kinda looked like you were just tyin down the lats and lettin the top go, get that top down and youl get better lats! :)

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Hell yea.. -I just went back and looked and you gotta get your top down. -It looks like your just tyin lats and lettin the top go. -That aint what you wanna do.... -You wanna let them go and tye your top down. -If it aint too late allready, try slowley pullin your top down so that your stem lays horizontally. -This will send out hormones that tell the lats to grow and thats how you get the even canope, by tyin down the terminal top first and forcing the lats to grow out. -After that you may have to start tying down lats but not till after you tyied your top down :) . -Waddaya think GS? :)

[GuySmiley]

He can still tie the top down if he does it slowly and carefully.....

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

sWEET! :)

[b1v2w3]

Hye you LST trainers. Just following this without much comment but have been judging the results from my tying a week ago. And didn't know nothing about top tying (in an indoor setting) and will try that. Just took the pics of my Sugar Shacks at 5wks. Note the tying>>please comment. I am going to bend the top over as well, unless it's too late. One day I had not swithched the window ac unit to cool but was running on fan only and then the outdoor temps started to hit 80 and the low sun got to shine directly on the closed door of the Shack and it must have been 95-105 in there and the following day on just the only one of the two i saw the yellow tips. But they haven't spread and things seem to be stable.
So then I went out and fashioned a holder fro 17 or 18 gage wire and fastened that to the side of the pot and made a hook on the top and it holds the stem while the top is being pulled over gently by a string. Your comments. Lumpy, they'll go into flower in 9 days. Is my timing for all these maneuvers right? Thanx. b1

[b1v2w3]

2 of the pics didn't make it. Try again.b1 File size limit. iwhen you run the upload window in the shrunk fashion you don't see the message that you file size is too big. Gettingn sophisticated here heh? The second pic goes with the last. b1

[GuySmiley]

Looking good..... Every few days you will be able to tie the top down lower and lower, just don't snap it in half. Since you are not into flowering yet, you will be fine.

[b1v2w3]

Will keep ya posted. Thanx for the guidance. 20 inches tall in5 wks and not fertilized at all, not even once and watered from the bottom only. Am I on par for indoor growing so far? b1

[GuySmiley]

Start feeding them nutes. The yellowing tips mean that they are in need of nutes. Just keep tying the plant unil you get an even canopy. Doing good so far.....

[GuySmiley]

16 days into 12/12 and resin is starting to form on both girls....:

[GuySmiley]

The resin is already fanning out onto the sun/fan leaves. Gonna' be a sticky girl...18 days into 12/12.

[GuySmiley]

19 days into 12/12. As you will see, each girl has a totally different structure. One is very Skunk #1 dominant and the other is a perfect NL #5 match.....:

[Mighty Mezz]

GuySmiley..how tall do you reckon those beauties to be at this stage??

[b1v2w3]

Hey GS: looking beautiful indeed. Will transfer mine to 12/12 about a week from now. working on temp flower room, one more light coming. Have been vegging under two 250W MH lights and will flower under two 250W HPS lights. Should do allright, right? Pic of Sugar Shack, she is now 20" tall b1

[A-Loc]

hey awesome plants!how much did you yield so far?i'm new to growing and should be starting off as soon as all the supplys needed are collected

where in new england are you at? i'm in ct, me and my pops are going to be growing about 2 or so plants of haze. lol hey how about that sample???? :)

[b1v2w3]

Hey A-Loc: I'm in the deep, deep south. Growing these indoors. Coming to the end of the 'vegging' stage and plan to reduce the time under lights from 24 hours to 12 hrs. next week. Yield would mean flowers, right? Flowering will start once the time under lights has been reduces..so no yield yet. You can follow my methodology somewhat by checking my thread "Suger Shack".
What does "lol" mean? b1

[GuySmiley]

GuySmiley..how tall do you reckon those beauties to be at this stage??
If I didn't LST them they would be close to 4 feet tall. I measured them yesterday and both are under 2 feet tall. They are getting really good light penetration. They are pretty much done thier stretch.....

[A-Loc]

b1v2w3, "lol" is a term used when something is funny i supose. i don't even realize i type it some times. kinda weird. that comment was actually directed towards guysmiley, i suppose i should of been more specific. your plants are beautiful as well!

[Jabbawaya]

Beautiful! Keep em growin! :)

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Hey Howdy B1! -Lats are just branches growin out of the main stem. -Our goal is to lay the stem down and turn them into vertical colas! :) -They tend to shoot up nice when you get the top down. -I like to tie them down enough to shoot me out as many tops as I can while still keeping a nicley dominant main cola. -Lotsa times I keep me the main colas :) ! -Actually, what I do is more like pullin the top down to increas lateral growth while pullin all the lateral growth to one side of the plant, -I grow 4 plants in a square patern so I pull all the lats into the center of the square while pullin the tops to the outside corner. -It kinda ends up lookin like 4 big chunky corner buds stikin up with a sog in the center of the square. -I do all this in flower tho, not veg, -I owe the rampant flower growth to God and the aero system :) ! -I cant get a pic on this site :( ! -I'l let ya know if I post anything interesting on OG. -I just cant make my camera do what it needs to do to post here. -Mabey when one of the kids figures it out I'l get some pics up here.

[b1v2w3]

Doin just right rightnow. evaporatin some of the extract of last year's outdoor crop. getting your technique down to detail now that you reveal the "pulling them all to the side" objective. now it should become easy to pick the ones that need tying. as I see mine grow up, it is EVIDENT where the colas are going to be. and those would be the ones you would ty, just like YOU do later on when they are flowering. now why don't you do this during vegging?
A-Loc thanks for the meaning, lol is a dutch word, equivalent to fun. now I can really appreciate what being said.
Say LuMpY, i am posting these pics now, took 'm just a bit ago and will show you what my earlier question was about. I marked the branches you call laterals with 2 yellow markers each so you can see clearly where they originate and where they go to. In one pic you can also see the bent over top fairly good, notice how the grooving of the bark has taken on a complete contorted twist. I'll do some close-ups of that and send it up in he next post. I also posted some other thought on Suigar Shack thread but my fog is too thick to know what it was. Peace brudder. b1

[b1v2w3]

Hey GuySmiley, you doin it in that same direction LuMpY does? tying them to the side? You mention the light penetration, you like stretch everything away from the middle? And during veg or flower or both?
Just took this pic of the twist. b1

[GuySmiley]

Yup, I start off by tying down the main stalk so the plant is completely horizontal. As the sidebraching starts to grow up towards the light, I selectively tie down the sidebranching to create an even canopy under 2 feet tall.

[GuySmiley]

23 days into 12/12.......

[b1v2w3]

Beautiful indeed. These are your shiva skunks, right? Incredible, the density of the crystals.b1

[kawiz1k]

Yup, I start off by tying down the main stalk so the plant is completely horizontal. As the sidebraching starts to grow up towards the light, I selectively tie down the sidebranching to create an even canopy under 2 feet tall.looking awesome man...do you ever un tie the main stalk?

[GuySmiley]

^^^^^No, I leave the main stalk tied throughout the whole grow. I just untied the side branching on the bigger girl, the Skunk #1 pheno. I will untie the side branching on the other girl in 2 more weeks.

[GuySmiley]

Exactly 4 weeks into flowering. 4 more weeks until harvest. They are COVERED in resin already...:

[GuySmiley]

A few more at a better angle. As you can see, the colas are pretty dense for only 4 weeks into flowering. Remember, I am only using 375 watts of flowering light, so I'm not doing too bad...at least in my opinion....:

[b1v2w3]

Loking REAL good GS. Just put my two sugarshacks into 12/12 can't wait 'till they begin showing some of the stuff you've already got. Just posted the pics in the SugarShack thread yesterday. Say, try to change the white balance setting on your camera to 'incandescent' to get more green contrasting the yellow. Do you use software to manipulate your photos? (that's aother way to do it, like after the fact). Like Adobe PhotoShop or something like that. Keep us posted. b1
One more GS, at what age did you start the side branch and main shoot tying? I have six more, 2 ea of 3 varieties which are 22 days old>>see them in this pic!! b1

[Mud_Hunter]

GS ... your a stud! I love your grows!

[GuySmiley]

Here's a few resin shots...:

[b1v2w3]

Making us jealous, right?! Got that color balanced beautifully. How many days after you start 12/12 would you expect to see the beginning of all that resin etc.?
Have been posting some questions about fertilizing and don't seem to get any replies, and also not on this tying question I posted in my comment to your previous pics. Questions too stupid??b1

[Mud_Hunter]

GS ..im curious if you hash those resin leafs or ?

[GuySmiley]

B1v...:The question is not stupid, it's just that it's been answered sooooo many times throughout my grow report. I was kinda' hoping you'd look through the pages and find the answer.

Resin starts to build at different times for different strains. Around the 3rd-4th week is when most strains show it most visably.


Mud Hunter...:

I will most likely make some real strong cannabutter because I am too lazy to make bubble hash. The leaves are going to be real resin thick, so I may get off my ass and make some hash, it will be good.

Oops....soory about the BIG letters. The browines I make from these clippings will put people in a coma, hahahaha!!!!

[b1v2w3]

The stupid part refers to my wanting to find out about fertilizing. I have grown those sugarshacks sofar in just plain good soil rich in organic matter. and then I see your rich resin and wonder if mine need ferts to begin doing the same. Impatience and lack of experience, that's me. So I wondered when I changed them to 12/12 a few days ago if I should also begin to support this phase of the growth with regular nutrient addition to the watering. Mind commenting on that? b1

[GuySmiley]

I was referring to your nute question, that's why I separated the new paragraph.



You should have started to give them vegging ferts at around the 3rd week of veg. Start giving them veg ferts now and let them veg for a full 6 weeks. You will be happier at harvest time. Yes, give them BLOOMING nutes when you put them into flower. These are very basic and beginner things that you need to know. Please do some research and you will find that your grows will be muhc happier.

[b1v2w3]

Just read thru your entire thread and see how many answers to sooooo many questions I missed. And I will follow the LST with a little more experience to be brought to bear on the 5 little ones. Thanks for the fert enlightenment. It is hard to apply everyone's advice all to the same subject and thought to apply the minimalist thinking by not supplementing at all. Will give them the best that's out there and am going to order FF "Grow Big" and "Tiger Bloom" today! b1

[Bob_Bong]

agree'd b1! Guy is certainly a fountain of great growing information..

Thanks GS!

I love you all !! Each and everyone of you!

[GuySmiley]

Just read thru your entire thread and see how many answers to sooooo many questions I missed. And I will follow the LST with a little more experience to be brought to bear on the 5 little ones. Thanks for the fert enlightenment. It is hard to apply everyone's advice all to the same subject and thought to apply the minimalist thinking by not supplementing at all. Will give them the best that's out there and am going to order FF "Grow Big" and "Tiger Bloom" today! b1
Glad I could be of help....Good luck. If you can't find any answers to some of your questions, just ask...after you have searched.

[dirty worms]

hey guysmiley those plants of yours rock.
my plants are 2 days old. how long will it take the plants to pop out of the dirt. should i put a plastic film over the contaner to creat some moisture. once the plants r a few weeks into veg growth can they be transferd to hydro system. or would it would be better to just let them grow in the dirt they r in now. when to put the veg fert in the dirt. and how do u put the fert in the dirt.how much fert do put. i want my plant to look like yours. any addvice would be great.

[GuySmiley]

agree'd b1! Guy is certainly a fountain of great growing information..

Thanks GS!

I love you all !! Each and everyone of you!
I learn new things everday from other people. Guys like meangreen, tyedye, ect.......There is more to growing other than the obvious reasons...to get great quality smoke/meds. Along the way you start to get more interested in growing this plant just to watch it grow and progress. Growing isn't about quantity,it's about quality. I would rather grow and oz of seriously kickass meds, than grow a pound of shwag. It is a way to relax and reflect, while knowing that it's quality of life depends on you.

[GuySmiley]

hey guysmiley those plants of yours rock.
my plants are 2 days old. how long will it take the plants to pop out of the dirt. should i put a plastic film over the contaner to creat some moisture. once the plants r a few weeks into veg growth can they be transferd to hydro system. or would it would be better to just let them grow in the dirt they r in now. when to put the veg fert in the dirt. and how do u put the fert in the dirt.how much fert do put. i want my plant to look like yours. any addvice would be great.
I'll give you the same advice I gave B1v.....do some research. If you want to know how I grow, read my grow reports. You will find answers to many of your questions in my grow reports and other people's grow reports. Just ask B1v, he'll tell you that I am right...

Thank you very much for the kind words about my humble little grow patch....Peace.

[dirty worms]

when i do my research i don't find much at all on the exact growing stuff i want. an you gave other people growing tips. i just needed a little info like what i had asked.i will try to look up some research of my own. but you know how to grow some good stuff in little time. if i were to ask you i know you could tell me how to make my plants look like yours. people come on the hip forums to get some grow tips. i just need a little info toget me started.

[GuySmiley]

Look man, I don't know what to tell you. You are asking beginner questions and there are a shitload of marijuana websites that give DETAILED explainations for the questions you are asking, even at this site. What I have been trying to tell you is that since you have began to ask questions, not just asking me questions, you don't seem to grasp the replies. You have been getting asnswers from many different people about both hydro and soil growing, yet you keep asking the same questions over and over again.

To be honest, it's almost like you forget what you read 5 mins after you read it. I hope I don't sound like I am jumping on your case, but dude, you are asking the same questions over and over again...just in different ways. It's not real tough to go to a web site like Over Grow and type in "Germination", or what ever other question you have into their grow FAQ's area. You can find out EVERYTHING you want to know within minutes of doing a search. I know it would be real easy for me to keep answering you over and over again, but maybe if you find the answers on your own...they will stick in your head.

When I first started growing, I was asking the same questions as you....I was told to fuck off and go read a book. Everytime I asked a beginner grow question that could be answered by simply doing a search, I was told to read the faq's at mj websites. It worked out well because I started to learn how to go to different sites and do searches to get as many different opinions to my questions and then pick the answers best suited for my grow needs.

[dirty worms]

ok.

[meangreen]

This is my last post at this site besides a ocassional pic from me,Guy smiley will tell ya how it is;I have been around here along time and if anyone has something arguemenative about what GS has o say I hope that they do some research or have pragmatics to enlighten those of you who ?
the info ,otherwise absorb it as when GS says something it can be taken wholehartidily.God bless ya all,ADIOS:Peace.

[GuySmiley]

^^^^ Wow...I don't know what to say...? Thank you for the vote of confidence, but I am sure that everyone here would enjoy your suggestions as well...we do have different styles and tend to have different methods of growing. I hope you keep helping out with the noobs and experienced growers alike.

[GuySmiley]

ok.
Trust me dude...when you start reading up on growing, all of the answers to your questions will be answered. You will feel more confident when you know that when you have a problem....you can go find the answer. Things will become real clear once you start to get different opinions and start deciding on your own what is best for your plants. I'm not saying that you should never ask any questions, but the basics to growing can be found at this site and many other sites strictly devoted to growing your own smoke. Peace.....

[Bob_Bong]

when i do my research i don't find much at all on the exact growing stuff i want. an you gave other people growing tips. i just needed a little info like what i had asked.i will try to look up some research of my own. but you know how to grow some good stuff in little time. if i were to ask you i know you could tell me how to make my plants look like yours. people come on the hip forums to get some grow tips. i just need a little info toget me started.
It's a forum to ask questions, it's not a "How To" on Growing. Refer to my Growing Noobs board..

unfortunately GS because you are an exp. grower.. and a mighty fine one at that... i say unfortunate because it brings on very simple questions such as germination questions. GS IS a fountain of growing knowledge, yes. but he's not your guide... learn how to grow on your own, learn the basics. learn the plant.. but don't impose on others to tell you what to do...

you'll just be ignored.. and laughed at..

...

[Mighty Mezz]

GuySmiley…so you are going to get approximately 5 oz of top shelf weed from two plants in a very small area (not to mention whatever you can glean from the trim)…Bravo, my boy, bravo. How many similar grows can you expect from your lamps? Have you ever done a cost analysis per oz? I am always impressed when ever I see postings of various grows, but this one in particular, to me, is a thing of beauty. Kudos.

[b1v2w3]

Say MeanGreen, hope you're amenable to reconsider your decision to not return here. I mean, that's so final! Remember the reorg of this site and Skip asking whether we'd want subcats or not? In following the current debate and the ways in which the newbe questions keep being interspersed in the growreports of some of the more experienced growers I keep thinking that organizing this forum here into three main subcats might help: one being the "GrowReports" where people like you, LuMpY, GuySmiley just post the method and particulars and progress of their current grow and exchange interesting details, variations, curious findings and what not. If that's done with any degree of explicitness, like posting the germinating sequence and materials, the veg cycle with the pot sizes, soil type, watering & fert schedule and light types and intensities then anyone coming into a: second category like "Newbe questions" can be right away referred to such grow report detailing the particular aspect of such question(s). And you'd then maybe compliment it by a third cat with nothing but info...call it "Sources and Links" and anyone who has found good info to any question, (like http://greenmanspage.com/guides/lighting.html for example which gave me all details to any question about lighting type, intensities and whatnot!) can post the links/info sources there and will steer the questioneer directly to the answers.
I think it is easier to give an answer like "do research" then to say "go here or there for your research". I feel that such a reorganization will help people like dirty worms more directly and it'll circumvent the problem of sending away people who come here with questions. This is a forum for all comers, right? It's sort of like teaching someone who goes to school to learn something nothing more then to teach him to go to school!
Just some thoughts. I'll copy this and post it to the SubCat thread as well. b1

[b1v2w3]

Hey GS, another thing related to your newyearseve post: you say the key words: "so i have to keep the grows continuous". Some time back OregonMed or MedicinalHydro went thru pondering how many seeds they'd need to germinate per day/week/month to have a continuous supply (representing the amount smoked, like your oz/week)available. Have you done such calculation or have you guys OM or OH (if you're still monitoring this site) figured it out after you first posted that question. Just wondering. b1

[tiedye0420]

i had probably read five books over 20 years before i ever logged onto a m.j. website.
and i still ask dumb questions from time to time l.o.l.
but if ya get a couple of books under your belt you will ask more informed questions; and you will find, much better responses to informed questions.

in fact i got a dumb question for meangreen, [l.o.l.]
should i be running this eliecent for my hoods, through the controller, or my light timer.
im running about 70 with the inline on the light timer.
now that im pumping out the heat that is.
and do i need to bring in as many cfm as out
like if i bring in 400 cfm and take out up to 800 cfm is that ok.
seems like it would create a negative air pressure- kinda like a higer altitude-thinner air pressure.

[GuySmiley]

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I think it is easier to give an answer like "do research" then to say "go here or there for your research". I feel that such a reorganization will help people like dirty worms more directly and it'll circumvent the problem of sending away people who come here with questions. This is a forum for all comers, right? It's sort of like teaching someone who goes to school to learn something nothing more then to teach him to go to school!
Just some thoughts. I'll copy this and post it to the SubCat thread as well. b1When someone asks things like...:

How do I germ a seed?
When do I use nutes?
What type of lighting should I use?
How long does it take for a seed to pop above soil?
How often do I water?

Those are the questions that get asked MANY times a week by many different people. THOSE are the questions I will tell someone to "do research". They are questions that can be found within minutes of RESEARCHING just a little bit of how to grow marijuana. If people kept asking you, "How do I peel an Apple"? Wouldn't you finally say, "Go read how to do it"....?

My POINT is, that if you can't even take the 2 seconds to run a search engine on marijuana growing, you are wasting peoples time and advice. If people want to know about how to properly LST, use a pH meter, or things that may not be be so eaily found, I have NO problems giving advice. It's kinda' like when you were in school and asked the teacher "How do you spell this" and the teacher says..."Go look in the dictionary". The teacher is not saying that to blow the person off, but teach them to take initiative. When the same questions are being asked 7 different times, by 7 different people (usually within 4 threads of each other).....that shows lack of motivation.

I have no problems answering questions, but the absolutely newbie basics are PLASTERED all over the internet. For God's sake, run a search on Google...: "How do I grow marijuana"....You'll get a week's worth of reading.

I hope my "go do research" reply is a bit more understandable now.....

[GuySmiley]

GuySmiley…so you are going to get approximately 5 oz of top shelf weed from two plants in a very small area (not to mention whatever you can glean from the trim)…Bravo, my boy, bravo. How many similar grows can you expect from your lamps? Have you ever done a cost analysis per oz? I am always impressed when ever I see postings of various grows, but this one in particular, to me, is a thing of beauty. Kudos.
Yup, I usually harvest between 4-7 ozs from my setup. I get the most from my 375 watts of flowering light. LST has definitely helped me reach those yeilds. If I were to let my plants grow vertically, I would see much less yeild.

I change my bulbs at the beginning of every 3rd grow. They probably can be used for more, but after 6 months they start to lose intensity.

Cost analysis.... Each grow costs me about $150 between supplies and electricity (no more than $170 if I need a lot of supplies). MY grow room costs $29.51 per month to run (electricity). If I was a dealer, I could sell my buds at $300-$400 an oz.

[b1v2w3]

I do fully agree GS, research is the answer. I do have the feeling that many people new to growing do the type research you mention: type it into google. They might end-up at this forum and state the question, however silly and elementary. Might they use this method of research in lieu of reading a book? Could be. If our collective wisdom were organized in a fashion like I outlined, would that not constitute a succesful result of their "research"?
Mind reacting to my post 4 items back, about continuous supply? Thanks for the trouble. b1

[GuySmiley]

So basically, you want a FAQ's section....It's a good idea, but will people take the time to go through it? I hope so....

As for continuous supply, I have never kept track of the things you mentioned. I just know that I have to keep my grow chamber going to keep me supplied. I have cut back to where an oz of my bud can last me a month. I was smoking an oz a week at one time, but my tolerance was just getting rediculous.

[b1v2w3]

Got ya. I am slowly getting rid of a post-nasal drip by heating concentrate with a hot flame under a metal tray and collecting the vapor in a closed glass bowl and drawing it of with a tube. Verry effective and clearing up those sinuses.
As for how much to grow: how many do you keep in veg and how many in flower? and do you stagger them when starting them?....like 2 or 4 seeds every month and then remove 2 or 4 finished plants every month? b1

[dirty worms]

you telling people like me to do research is more understandable now. i found my grow qustions in my grow books. the only reason i asked those ?'s is becouse every time i grew mj it went like shit. the plants died or grew too tall. i wanted them to grow short and bushy. now i know how to do that. by training them to grow short tieing them to the ground with stacks and string. thinks..

[b1v2w3]

So seeing this post Guy:) helps me to see that it is just a little more then FAQs. If we had htree main categories and one would be "Growers Chat" where you or ecul-le-chat would post your grow reports then dirty worms would be getting his answers. And if he'd have a "dumb" question he would not post it there and get yelled at but instead would go to the "links/resources" section and find the answer without getting yelled at. That sort of organization structure of this forum is whaty I had in mind to try and to propose to the management. Cause I see too where ther's a whole series of questions that pop up regularly and you know hte answer is somehwere in some forum hwere you've seen it discussed but who, like keeps a thousand pages and urls and other forms of references to what all goes by and even if you do,how do you like even organize it on your computer to find it back quickly. That should be done within the organizational structure and function of the forum. I've got to inhale some fragrant oils right now so I'll return to this thought tomorrow and see what gives. b1

[dirty worms]

I will not ask any more qustions cuz i got some mj book and i will do my own research. but it would have been eazer to ask someone on the hip forums who knows about growing cuz then people could get answers fast and to the point with out haveing to look for a long time on the net and the books.......

[GuySmiley]

Ya know what man...whatever. You have been given answers REPEATEDLY and you forget them within MINUTES of being given the answer to you questions. It would have been EASIER of you had done some reading instead of hoping that others would do the footwork for you. So don't try to act like you came in and asked a simple question and got blown off. You have started multiple threads asking questions (11 threads in this month alone!!!!), yet even with threads full of advice....you STILL ask the same questions. These threads range from "How do I germinate a seed?" to "How do I clone?"

Dude, you're all over the map, start from the BEGINNING and focus on one thing at a time. Your gardens will disappoint you until you take some initiative. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that last comment of yours seems kinda' snide.

[dirty worms]

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[b1v2w3]

should we up your meds DW?

[Everyone interested in knowing how cannabis use affects the brain should read the article in the Dec. 2004 edition of the Scientific American: The drugs inside EVERYONE'S brain]

[dirty worms]

I only wrote that cuz i was board. and sick of everyone dogen me about what I write in my threads.
If i were a pro mj grower than I would be happy to give advice to people who had no idea how to grow.

so there!

[GuySmiley]

Well, I'm not a pro......and reading won't hurt you. I don't mind giving out advice, to people that can grasp the advice and not ask the same question time after time.

[Bob_Bong]

More pics! I want to see more Shiva Skunk GS! Show us!

[GuySmiley]

Hey Bob, you requested some pics via pm. Here are some bud shots I took yesterday. They are almost 5 weeks into flowering, 3-4 more weeks until harvest.

[Bob_Bong]

awwww *cream* ... i just started mine into 12/12.. i'm thinking 9 weeks to harvest :)

I love this stuff..

[GuySmiley]

Looks good my friend!!! Please resize your pic....it's too big. Here are a few more shots...:

[tiedye0420]

not bad litttle hobby grow, did you create the strain

[b1v2w3]

Awsome! Would be hard to keep hands off of that for a quick puff.

Tiedye, look at the first posting of this thread, GS tells us where these babies began. I just took one of the two sugarshacks out: big time male! stuck him outdoors by the tomatoes and will keep him there until his pollen is available and dust one of the colas of the lady to make her produce a few seeds for the efort of raising him. Will then consume him!! I'll post pics of them on my Sugar Shack thread.b1

[GuySmiley]

I am through answering questions at this site....tyedye420 is the guru here because he has alot of lighting...good luck getting proper tech advice out of him. If any of you want to see the end of the Shiva grow, you know where to go.

Tyedye, when your "medical" grows look as good as my hobby grows, then you can talk to me. Enjoy growing your nute deficient/locked, half dead plants buddy, all your new lighting is going to do is allow you and others to see more of the shit work you do. I have been using Fox Farm products for years and they can't help you if you don't know how to properly use them, hahahahaha!!!!

A room full of crappy buds isn't worth the time or the $$$$$$$$ to me. I can get over quarter pound of QUALITY buds from my setup and only have it cost me a total of $150 between electric and suplies per grow/harvest. A quarter pound of top shelf buds grown under less than 400 watts of flowering light is pretty good for a hobby grower.

I am tired of having to back down from people to keep the peace, especially the ones that talk shit to me FIRST.

[tiedye0420]

nice nugs dude.
but why you always have to cop an attitude is beyond me.
i gotta go back to work i don't have time to continue this.
because i have a job.
everything you say about me can be proven to be fallacy
time tells all.

[GuySmiley]

^^^^Why do I always have to cop and attitude with you? Are you fucking mental? You can't be serious. You start shit with me for no reason and then act surprised when I refuse to take the shit? You REALLY need to step away from the buds for a while. Your short term memory is really dulled.

[b1v2w3]

GuySmiley; stick with this grow report, will ya?! Tiedye is just doing his thing and we should just enjoy hearing everyone doing his thing and we should avoid taking any of it personal as in "I'm better then he is" but rather like "this is my thing and I'm telling y'all what that is". From what i've seen, without trying to read the fine lines, or all the lines, or between the lines, it's just everybody enjoying having a conversation. I know some strong language has been used but the intent is to apply the 'shit' to the grow and not to any person.
I think your grow report is valuable, you cover a lot of issues, get good questions and the answers have helped a lot of people. Keep it going bro. b1

[GuySmiley]

Nope, I will not be unjustly harrassed by someone that doesn't know their thumb from their ass. Apparently, I am an "uppity punk with a huge ego" because I choose to try and educate people by having them do research on this plant. Why would you want me here if I am what TD420 claims? TD420 is a big mouth and he can have these half assed grow forums to be the "king" of. The guy flat out flammed me twice for no reason and then acted like I was the asshole for not taking his burnt out analysis of the situation. Fuck it.....you know where to go to see the rest of this report. It's not that big of a deal, it's just a grow report.

[GuySmiley]

I was going topost these today, but was too pissed. These will be the last entries into this grow journal. Thanks to all that commented about my humble little grow patch.


In some of these shots, the leaves look yellow and dead...it's just the lighting (HPS). They are all very healthy at 36 days into flowering...:

[dirty worms]

hey GS those plants look nice and bad ass to me. I would kill to grow like that. but I will not give up yet. one day I will grow a good looken little bush with big buds like that.
you might can take that weed to the cannabis cup finals.
A friend of mine went. he took some cannabis to the cup finals did not win but got a good review. just an idea. if i ever grow good weed i'd take it to the cup finals. and if you did not allready know you get to tast some of the growrs weed and meet people.
I got a lot of good mj books.

(peace).

[b1v2w3]

That's the spirit dw. b1

[bUrNEd_oUt420]

i think that gs shoudl keep on writing in this poste i miss his plants...........does ne 1 else????

[b1v2w3]

Yeah me! b1

[MadDagger]

Here's my lil babies today a month old.Notice the thickness of the main stem like a good sized finger.These are being grown at the time under 3 -26 watt warm white compact fluorescents for a total of 5100 lumens.Can't wait till these babies go under my lil ole 150 HPS,16000 lumens,and watch them take off.I am debating whether to low stress train them or not.Think it would increase my yeild?

[bUrNEd_oUt420]

yeah man that woudl increase yourharvest bye 2 or 3 times......but i woudl move the lights closer, if they are fluros then they can get about and inch away from the plant...they look kinda tiny for a month old...

[MadDagger]

Tiny they got 6 or 7 nodes so far.Lets see
you do better they're a pure indica my friend.

[MadDagger]

By the way they are under 81 watts warm white
CFL
soon to be under my 150 HPS.

[buffoonman]

Not having a go at you my friend but you need to dramatically increase your light.My indica plants are three and a half weeks old and over twice the size. I am sure you will harvest some excellent buds. But if you invest in a 400W HPS light with a expanded spectrum bulb it will pay for itself many times over and just watch the difference in growth. If the temperature is a problem get a fan blowing on the plants plus an extractor fan. If its still to hot try a 250W HPS light. If you use the expanded spectrum bulbs you can use them for vegging as well, obviously the bigger they are after veg the more buds you will get.
One last tip if your going to train them why not fasten a net just above your plants as they grow you can carefully bend them over weaving them in and out of the net.Leave them to grow straight up when properly flowering.Using this method you can utilise your whole space giving all of the plant maximum light.
Hope you don't get defensive i am not critising your plants they look great' just trying to offer some useful tips.

[MadDagger]

Hey buzz I did not thnk you were critisizing my plants and I hear you about the
lights and my yields.For flowering I'm going to put them under my 150 HPS in my
stealh box which sits in my double door bedroom closet,1 side veg 1 side flower
vented to the attic by a 6" 120 V duct booster fan which blows the air out and and brings air in at the same time,passive air intake.
The grow box I constructed has got 2.34 sq' on each side so on the flowering side under the 150 I'll have 64 watts per sq' for flowering which will give me some nice tight buds.Wonder if I should get me a 250 HPS for flowering or if that would be over doing it at 106 watts per sq 'What you think?

[buffoonman]

I always reckon the more light the better. How big is your flowering space. do you mean 2.34*2.34 or do you mean 1.53*1.53. If its the latter have you ever thought of making the two spaces into one larger grow space.
Dont want to confuse things too much like you say if you have got 64W per square foot that should do nicely for flowering. See how it goes. One tip though as stated earlier if you can get a fan blowing on the tops of your plants you will be able to get the light a lot closer.

[MadDagger]

I have 2 sides 1 for vegging and 1 for flower, they are both the same size 2.34 sq ' each side.This way I got a side for vegging and cloning and 1 for flowering.