chain email

[SingflowerCat]

ugh...

here's a copy of an email I got today... the logic is so faulty and these people think they're so clever!!!

----- Original Message ----- Subject: This is Priceless



This is priceless.

One day a 6 year old girl was sitting in a classroom.

The teacher was going to explain evolution to the children.

The teacher asked a little boy: Tommy do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.

TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.

TEACHER: Did you see God?

TOMMY: No.

TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see God because he isn't there. He
just doesn't exist.

A little girl spoke up and wanted to ask the boy some questions.

The teacher agreed and the little girl asked the boy:

Tommy, do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yessssss (getting tired of the questions by this time! ).

LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the teacher?

TOMMY: Yes

LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?

TOMMY: No

LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today in school,
she must not have one!

(You Go Girl!)

"FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT" II CORINTHIANS 5:7

Don't forget to pass this on! I love this one.
Everyone should send this to everyone they know, especially today with
prayer restricted in schools

[Hikaru Zero]

Well the little girl has a point, I mean ... you can't argue with that. =P

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. ;)

Regardless, this chain e-mail doesn't prove whether God can or can't exist. It is completely meaningless. =P

[J_Lazarus]

Classic strawman. Atheistic apologetics doesn't reject God because God is empirically unobservable. Even the Logical Positivists - hardcore empiricists, didn't go that far at all.

Gauranteed the teacher never said that. Gauranteed the little girl is non-existant. Gauranteed most Christians that received that chain letter think that this story is 100% factual, and that it makes a great point against atheism.

- Laz

[Razorofoccam]

[QUOTE=SingflowerCat]ugh...

here's a copy of an email I got today... the logic is so faulty and these people think they're so clever!!!
----- Original Message ----- Subject: This is Priceless
This is priceless.
One day a 6 year old girl was sitting in a classroom.
The teacher was going to explain evolution to the children.
The teacher asked a little boy: Tommy do you see the tree outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.
TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.
TEACHER: Did you see God?
TOMMY: No.
TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see God because he isn't there. He
just doesn't exist.
A little girl spoke up and wanted to ask the boy some questions.
The teacher agreed and the little girl asked the boy:
Tommy, do you see the tree outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?
TOMMY: Yessssss (getting tired of the questions by this time! ).
LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?
TOMMY: Yessssss!
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the teacher?
TOMMY: Yes
LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?
TOMMY: No
LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today in school,
she must not have one!

(You Go Girl!)

"FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT" II CORINTHIANS 5:7

Don't forget to pass this on! I love this one.
Everyone should send this to everyone they know, especially today with
prayer restricted in school

[QUOTE]


SingFlowerCat

What a crock of shit

Your are the worst of them
You Use children..is the lowest art of manipulation.

Occam takes your fictional situation
And re-writes it. Using real people

The human asked tom
"do you see the tree outside"?
Tom..Yes.
"Do you see the grass outside"?
Tom..yes.
"Do you see the sky" ?
Tom. Yes
"Do you see god"?
Tom..what is god?


Then the little girl

You ask
"Do you see the tree outside"
Yes
"Do you see the grass outside"
Yes
"Do you see the sky"
Yes
"DId you see anything that could cause the sky and the tree and the grass"?
"No"

Did either tom or belinda see anything they could call GOD?

NO
For they cannot rationalise such a question without information and understanding.
WIthout information...and the understnding it gives...
Without the wisdom that understanding gives...
We are nothing.
Wisdom comes from experience. Understanding come from experience.
Experience...
The living in a real world... [b]IS all the reality there is.

SingFlower

Any other children you need to use to illusrtrate you bodgy perspective?

Occam

[BlackGuardXIII]

I believe so. Reason being, if someone is an atheist, they must have good reasons for their beliefs. Some I have met go so far as to proclaim that becuz they are atheists, all spiritual beliefs are false. I believe, in miracles, in the power of prayer, and in the protection I have received when I faced certain injury and likely death, yet walked away untouched.
I could never be an atheist, yet I do not doubt that someone else could be one and that their belief is true, valid, and just as real as mine.
Is there a reason that we must all have the same truths?
I am happy to accept an atheist's view as valid and true and real, and want to know if there is a reason why we cannot all be right. We are all unique, and no one can ever experience someone elses reality, so how can we judge it?
Just Curious, as always.

PS, I agree that using kids to promote any propaganda is distasteful. I used to get furious when I would answer my front door and see some primary school age child holding out a pamphlet while the adults stood back and watched. Before I learned to better hold my tongue, those adults got a thorough and colourful tongue lashing.

[SingflowerCat]

um excuse me jackass, but did you actually take the time to read my part of the post... I guess you were ASSuming that the bulk of the post was my personal opinion.



SingFlowerCat

What a crock of shit

Your are the worst of them
You Use children..is the lowest art of manipulation.
SingFlower

Any other children you need to use to illusrtrate you bodgy perspective?

OccamYou've obviously never read anything I've ever posted/replied to on these forums.

For your assistance I've put the preceeding in red so maybe it'll catch your eye.


What was it that made you assume that I agreed with the chain mail. You fucker, I spend hours, no years!!, of my life working to better the lives of children in our [fucked-up] society...

WAS IT...The fact that my user name is SingflowerCat?

The fact that I'm from the southeast-read "bible-belt" and home of independant baptist fundamentalism?

The fact that I'm a woman, the so-called weaker and less intelligent of the sexes?

Or the fact that you didn't take the time to read the post in its entirety including the title, which was UGH.

Stupid Asshole.


BUT HERE, LET ME MOVE ON:

1-
If you're interested at all in my take on the email, I'd be happy to spell it out, that's the whole reason I made the post... for discussion, not because I agreed.

2-

I could never be an atheist, yet I do not doubt that someone else could be one and that their belief is true, valid, and just as real as mine.
exactly how I feel. I'm, for lack of any other term that entirely applies, an agnostic working on my personal belief system of spirituality and god/higher power. and I'm enjoying the process.


PS, I agree that using kids to promote any propaganda is distasteful.yes, I agree, and even in non-propaganda marketing it can be distasteful.


Before I learned to better hold my tongue, those adults got a thorough and colourful tongue lashing.Well, good for you! on both accounts: learning to hold your tongue, and getting in a good tongue lashing!

I certainly did not choose to hold my tongue with Occam.

[Razorofoccam]

SingFlowerCat

Occam offers his apology and sincere regret for the stupidity and assumption of his reply

He made the most basic mistake that can be made...he assumed.
[and read what he thought you said...NOT what you said]

Yes ..occam is a stupid asshole...

He hopes you will forgive him for this...
And that he will learn from it...
If he does not..then he wasted his existance.

Occam

[SingflowerCat]

I would not have reacted so strongly had your reply not insinuated that I make it a practice to misuse children.........................................



i love occam's self-deprecating sarcasm here:


He hopes you will forgive him for this...
And that he will learn from it...
If he does not..then he wasted his existance.

[Hikaru Zero]

C'mon, people, move along. People read things wrong on accident ... it happens. =\ Sometimes, people are just too busy or too rushed or too whichever, and they have to skim posts.

[Kharakov]

The fact that I'm a woman, the so-called weaker and less intelligent of the sexes?
I'd like to dispute the label 'so-called'. :p

Well, good for you! on both accounts: learning to hold your tongue, and getting in a good tongue lashing! So you are for a good tongue lashing?

I certainly did not choose to hold my tongue with Occam.I have tried to hold a dogs tongue and it constantly slips out of my hand. Sorta funny though.

[SingflowerCat]

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I'd like to dispute the label 'so-called'. :p
oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh--- maybe now you're in for a lashing-o-the-tongue!!!

So you are for a good tongue lashing? I'm working on it... I've gotten a lot better in "real life" but here it's easy just to start typing... sort of more like a finger-lashing?! Keyboard-lashing?


I have tried to hold a dogs tongue and it constantly slips out of my hand. Sorta funny though
Pah-ha-ha!!!!!!!!!!!!! *laughs out loud!" used to do that to my big ole mutt... poor thing, why would I ever do a thing like that?! ahhhh- she didn't mind, she knew she was being great entertainment! *sighs wistfully* Miss her!!

[Kharakov]

I'm working on it... I've gotten a lot better in "real life" but here it's easy just to start typing... sort of more like a finger-lashing?! Keyboard-lashing? I was thinking about the inuendos of tongue lashing. However, a keyboard lashing could be in the future with mind/body/network interfaces popping up. What a wonderful thought.

[SingflowerCat]

Kharakov:
I was thinking about the inuendos of tongue lashing

Blatant oversight of aforementioned innuendo on my part! Oh, how this thread is turning around, look who's not paying attention now!

J_Lazarus

Gauranteed most Christians that received that chain letter think that this story is 100% factual, and that it makes a great point against atheism.Yep, my dad, a wonderful Christian man, sent it to me... Bless his heart.

[BlackGuardXIII]

Kharakov:


Blatant oversight of aforementioned innuendo on my part! Oh, how this thread is turning around, look who's not paying attention now!

J_Lazarus
Yep, my dad, a wonderful Christian man, sent it to me... Bless his heart.
I am a very well experienced tongue lasher, and am not afraid to prove my skills.

Just want to say, way to turn it around, I love the +ve change.

[WhisperingWoods]

Lame email. I see plenty like them, sent from my conservative, protestant father. They are not inspiring and definately not clever--created by the religious, for the religious. A joke between church buddies.. Nice thread though.

[Razorofoccam]

i love occam's self-deprecating sarcasm here:
Singflower

Occam was sincere ,,without sarcasm ,, in his apology.
He can offer no more to 'right his error'

He felt shitty for his error...And tried to fix it...

Occam

[SingflowerCat]

Singflower

Occam was sincere ,,without sarcasm ,, in his apology.
He can offer no more to 'right his error'

He felt shitty for his error...And tried to fix it...

Occam
Jeez, I feel bad, I'm sorry, Let's be done with this thread!!!

May it rest in peace.

Its a gorgeous fall day here in the mountains of Tennessee... I'm going to get out of the city and go for a drive!!!

later, boys and gals!

Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[FreakyJoeMan]

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the teacher?

TOMMY: Yes

LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?

TOMMY: No

LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today in school,
she must not have one!

And then the little boy cracked open the teacher's head and said, "Hey, there's her brain!"

[cerridwen]

interesting way of looking at it...