Hey...i know you!

[HoneySuckleBlue]

The twin soul concept goes way back, 2500 years ago Plato had some words to share on the subject:

"...and when one of them meets the other half of himself the pair are lost in an amazement of Love and friendship and intimacy and one will not be out of the other sight for even a moment."



What I was wondering is what does he mean by 'sight'?

Is this a purely physical thing? I suppose I am cornfused by the way our physical aspect would have any bearing on our spiritual one....

...anyway here's the rest of the article if you'd like to read it.

http://star.goddess.tripod.com/twinflame2.html

[nirgal]

I believe it's a spiritual thing manifesting itself in the physical world. Just as we are spirit beings having a physical experience. And since we are here in the physical world to do and learn certain things, we experience it this way. But I believe that the interactions are simultaneously going on other levels, that are not directly evident. And this comes out as a knowing, or awakening, the sense of home..
Why else would these things happen between two people that have never seen each other before, ya know.....

I would venture that "out of each others sight" may be more in the sense of maintaining the thread of daily life. The sense of being within proximity of the other.
The shear pleasure of it is rather intense, I suspect. And if there is a pourpose for such a joining, which there seems to be, then the pleasure and magnetic pull, maybe a way of making it happen.
"There are no dependencies in a twin soul relationship because the "sense of self" has been developed quite well within each of the partners. To reach that point, a certain degree of internal balance and happiness must first be nurtured and achieved. Then, during reunion, the essence of one simply flows into the essence of the other to create the completeness. There is no effort involved."

" ....Nothing is left unsaid. Nothing is left to chance. Assumptions never enter their minds. All is out in the open. Neither sits, pouts and wonders who will make the first move at "making up." There are no games. There is no pretending. There is no deception. There is no fear of reprisal because unconditional love is the foundation upon which their relationship has been built. In essence, they can just be themselves. And as each conflict resolves, the bond of love between them takes on renewed meaning and strength. What incredible freedom! Such is the nature of this very divine and profound union."

I don't know what Plato was thinking though......


Home is Sanctuary
Heaven is Bliss
:)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I'm gonna have to go read some more, I wonder if there is supposed to be only one twin flame/soul per couple as opposed to the many soul mates?

The sight remark just struck me because it seems that when there is a meeting of these two they can see through the others eyes...or so I've heard.

Is that a stretch?

[nirgal]

I'm gonna have to go read some more, I wonder if there is supposed to be only one twin flame/soul per couple as opposed to the many soul mates?

The sight remark just struck me because it seems that when there is a meeting of these two they can see through the others eyes...or so I've heard.

Is that a stretch?
Don't know... maybe sometimes or over time

I believe there are many soul mates and they can be couples, but only one twin flame because they are the same being.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Heeeey where'd the three eyed lizard go?

[nirgal]

gone walkabout, I'll be looking for him though :)

Ya think that's what it is ?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I think I ate too much lsd to know what anything really is....

[nirgal]

Time will tell....... something anyway :p
what is anything really?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

...anything could be Everything?

[nirgal]

Could be..... :p
Hard to tell from here
it's all just words anyway :)

[nirgal]

I read something where the author was making an analogy to trees in a forest (unfortunately I forget who it was) it was close to what I see so, Ill paraphrase it.

If you look at a maple tree, the seeds form in pairs, two seeds joined together from a single stalk. These stalks form in clusters all closely tied and constantly interacting from a single branchlet. Around them all on the same branch, are more clusters and leaves, and the same on neighboring branches. These branches in close proximity interact as the wind blows and the branches grow, even though they may not be as closely related. All this on a larger and larger scale, back to the trunk and down into the roots, where the roots of the different trees interact in the soil that sustains them all.
In the autumn when the seeds are ripe, they fall. Some seperate immediatly falling at some distance to grow independently, until at some point their branches and roots touch again. Others maintain the bond and take root next to each other and essentially grow together as a single tree one absorbing the other.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Here's a different view of the same thing...

The Twin Flame originates from the same One Essence which was created by Father/Mother God from the Ocean of Love. That One Essence divided itself into two exactly equal and opposite intonations in order to experience form. In the beginning they remained always united as a perfect sphere with one center of gravity and one common equator or Zero Point ... and functioned as a non-dualistic Trinitized Extension and Expression of the God Source of All. However, as the three-dimensional experience unfolded they became separated in a dualistic system which pulled them into an unbalanced equilibrium expressing itself through two extended and separated forms. The Twin Flames are now coming back into unification through all dimensional frequencies in order to restore the Unity of God's Creations and collapse duality. Accordingly, there exists only ONE true tonal mate of the Twin Flame which is expressed in a male and female form ... the exact equal and opposite frequency intonation.
It is important to make the distinction between a Twin Flame and a soulmate. There exists only one pair of partners who are Twin Flames which is not a disposable union ... for the Essence of it can never truly be replaced with another mate. Contrarily, soulmates come in many different forms and different intonations ... for a soulmate is anyone with whom you have had a past life experience.

[nirgal]

....and another
TWIN FLAMES

"...ææ ææ ææ ææ Twin Fames have no karma left to work out between them, they resolved all of it in past lives and come together for no other reason than unconditional love. Twin Flames love each other with no expectation of the other and with no conditions attached to the giving of that love. It is easy to say that you love someone unconditionally but you need to ask yourself could you love this person if for some reason they could not remain with you? Could you give your love to this person with no expectations, not even that the love will be returned or even recognized? Can you love this person for no other reason than there is simply no other option available to you? If you can answer a resounding (and honest) yes to all of the above then you are experiencing unconditional love. But be carful here my friend for Spirit is listening and may put that love to the test. Spirit may require that you prove yourself worthy of this love and place you in a situation wherein you must truly discover if this is an unconditional love by separating you, sometimes only temporarily, sometimes permanently, depending on what lessons you have to learn in this lifetime ... Which brings us to another point, Twin Flames are earned not given, you must prepare yourself to be able to join with your Twin flame, it is not an automatic, it is a gift. And as a gift it is truly a privilege to know your Twin Flame but you must be ready. How do you become ready you ask? Well you will have to learn to love deeper than you ever thought possible and that usually means meeting, loving and losing "near twins" to which are in reality Companion Soul Mates. Are you brave and strong enough to be able to risk loving with your heart and soul just to have the dream shattered? If not then seeking your Twin Flame is not for you for you must deepen your capacity to love before you can know unconditional love and that means experiencing pain as well as joy. The more pain you have experienced the more joy you are capable of holding within. Sometimes the cup of love must be completely shattered before it can be built strong enough to hold the love of your Twin Flame. Steel is tempered through flame and your heart must be tempered through pain before it is strong enough to protect the love of your Twin ... When Twin Flames come together they become one, they are not like each other, they are the mirror image of the other. They think alike, they hold the same values and often their life experiences are very similar, sometimes they will actually look like each otehr. By that they will have similar builds, bone structures and features. This is not however a guide as to whether you have met your Twin Flame or not ... Twin Flames do not teach each other, they learn together and help each other learn the lessons that have been set before them in this lifetime. When Twin Flames come together they join forces and are capable of overcoming obstacles the average mortal could not begin to face. They are so filled with unconditional love they literally glow with it and have much to share with others. They are the inspiration that poets write about and singers sing about ...

ææ ææ ææ ææ If we go through this life measuring each possible romantic partner by some yardstick that we believe represents the Twin Flame two things will happen ... one ... we miss out on many beautiful experiences that will help us grow to our full potential and two ... we will not have developed enough emotionally and spiritually to meet our Twin Flame ... This is not to say that there is no way you will meet your Twin Flame for if it was pre-determined that we meet then we shall but the "joining" will be that much more traumatic because we were not prepared ... My Twin Flame said to me once that we have been in training for 40 years for this relationship and although he isn't aware of it, (he is not consciously fully conversant with this subject) he was and still is right ... we have been in training and we still are for this relationship ...

ææ ææ ææ ææ One really important lesson for those seeking Twin Flames is how to share your energy with each other without becoming addicted to the energy of each other ... this is well addressed in the Celestine Prophesies and I would strongly recommend that if you haven't already read this book that you do so ... Twin Flames share energy ... and they do so with unconditional love ... when twin flames join ... although at first they are totally absorbed with each other ... they find they have an increased capacity to share their love and energy with everything and everyone they encounter ... they see life with new eyes ... when they see a squirrel playing on the street they feel and send love to it ... sharing its joy and beauty ...

ææ ææ ææ ææ Addictive energy causes one to actually feel physically ill when that energy is removed because the one who has lost the energy has either forgotten how or never knew how to accept the gift of energy from all of life surrounding them ... and like any other addiction ... once it is removed you have withdrawls ... there are many people out there who will mistake an addictive energy relationship with a Twin Flame because that is what we all want so desperately ... the trick here (if there is indeed a trick) is to always stay alert as to whether you are doing karma together ... karmic relationships are important ... don't get me wrong ... for they assist us with important growth issues and karmic relationships should never be walked away from for it brings with it some wonderful gifts and some karmic relationships will even turn out to be your life partner if the Twin Flame is not available ... however these are not a Twin Flame although they are a Soul Mate ...

ææ ææ ææ ææ Most of us will spend our life with a Companion Soul Mate and this is nothing to sneeze at for they too are a beautiful experience ... so although we are all seeking that Twin Flame ... again I really can't emphasize enough that you should never walk away from a relationship simply because there is karma involved ... you will do yourself a dis-service as well as the other person involved ... the only time to leave a relationship is because there is nothing left in that relationship for you and your partner ... if you are desperately unhappy ... then and only then should you leave ... or if there is abuse ... mental, physical, spiritual, or emotional ... and only you can make that decision ... only you know if you can no longer do that relationship ...

ææ ææ ææ ææ I have had people come to me and tell me that they don't believe that a relationshiop without karma can survive because karma keeps the relationship alive and interesting ... if that is where you are at ... then that too is okay ... however ... consider this ... what if you and your love have no karma left to work out between you ... you are now in a position that you can turn your energy outward and do wonderful things for others that you encounter ... together you can learn lessons that you would not have had the energy to learn before because of the karma that you were working out ... imagine how much more growth you can achieve as you join forces to learn the tougher lessons together ... and how much of a difference you can make to other people and things because together you are more than you were alone simply because there is no karma left to work out ... just sharing ..."

[scarlettchasingroses]

i found this all especially fascinating for i truly think i have found my twin soul.....

[nirgal]

I hope you have :)
I met mine, but our individual lessons aren't finished yet, so it's a deep friendship for now.

"Short time after I had met my twin, I experienced a very deep change in my consciousness. My consciousness was no longer just physical, but was spiritual as well. All the chakras had been activated through kundalini. In my everyday life this meant that I started to write poems. I was easily inspired to write poems by my spirit guides. I did not understand why I did this, because I had never done something like that before. The poems became very spiritual in nature. I remember writing that even when separated the fragments would make out a whole in themselves. This means that we all have the possibility of achieving individual wholeness in ourselves independently from the twin, because we all have yin and yang in us.


I did not understand back then why I had changed the way I had, but I knew that I had a very special link and tie with my twin soul that was not physical, but spiritual. I knew that this tie existed and exists in the spiritual dimension beyond this physical world as we know it. The meeting and union of us had made this tie and link between us stronger. Each and everyday I clearly felt this link, it was there even when we were physically separated. In fact the physical separation made me feel the tie even more. Both due to this link and the pain of the physical separation I started searching all the answers inside myself. I became another person that I had been before. The interesting thing was that when I didn't search for answers, I was very easily told things by my guides, but if I did search consciously for something, I wasn't told anything. This is in my opinion how things are planned in the spirit world for us. Our guides know when we are ready to understand spiritual things in the physical world.


Twin souls are eternally linked together, because they are two halves of the same soul - nothing can break the tie they share. It exists beyond all dimensions, time and space. They can be physically separated due to predestined spiritual reasons, karma and get a long way away from each other. If you imagine a rubber band which can only be pulled apart to a certain degree, it will be pulled back when it can't reach a wider distance. There is a limit to how wide the distance can be. The rubber band cannot break apart or be broken, but will be pulled back again. This is an illustration of the tie between twin souls. The tie is a tie of unconditional and eternal love. You might feel connected to a beloved member of your family or a near twin, however the tie to your twin soul is a spiritual tie that trancends time and space. There are no limits to this tie, it is eternal. The feeling of this tie or link ensures that the two halves become an androgynous whole one day when both of them make their Ascension.


"They can separate, but they can never break apart".


This also means that even though many twin souls separate physically, because they often are so alike to start with, they need to grow individually and expand their individual selves, before they can reunite. In this case their eternal tie and link will always reunite them at some point in time when they are ready for it. The twin souls can independently get each their own strong sense of self, but they can never break apart or separate totally from each other, in the same way that we can separate from other people. Often through our journey of life we will meet people that we might have karma with. What happens is that once we have outlived this karma, the relationship will end, we will go our separate ways. This is the way that we can separate or stop the relationship with people that are not the twin soul. With the twin soul the tie will always be there, so the twins cannot break apart. Even though we are all one spiritually at some point, the tie between twin souls is only for them due to the exact same blueprint in their shared soul."



©Camilla Kanstrup 2002

[scarlettchasingroses]

i hope i have too nirgal

[scarlettchasingroses]

ooo...and our lessons are far from over as well

[nirgal]

Good incentive to learn them quickly, no?
And painful too :D

[scarlettchasingroses]

i have all the time in the world to learn them

i'm in no hurry.....

[sylvanlightning]

I hope everyone is doing well. I have been a bit introverted recently... perhaps due to the two eclipses this month. Here is an energetic hug for all who read these words.

[nirgal]

"...I met her in a dream, only the sense, not the image, and found her here before I saw her...."

[HoneySuckleBlue]

This link is a trip!! the 67 steps on the souls journey to twin souls...or something

http://p202.ezboard.com/ftwinsoulsandsoulmatesfrm2.showMessage?topicID=153 3.topic

[nirgal]

hello...lloooo....lloooo
Now I wonder who documented that? There is a point where dogma takes over......

[scarlettchasingroses]

okay....now i find this interesting.....the person who i feel is my twin soul, his mystical birthstone is the onyx and mine is the pearl.....we are seemingly yin and yang....

[nirgal]

My sign is "Slippery When Wet"
just kidding...... ;)

The world is in comprehensible...sible...sible...sible

[HoneySuckleBlue]

More cool stuff:) ...stuff:) ...stufff:)

There is no proof that the respondents from the survey who claim to be twin souls really are. Most probably are not. Some might have had a badly aspected Uranus or Neptune transit during the time of meeting their "twin." That would give rise to possible delusions about the relationship. How many relationships have you been in that felt like "the one"?

This is some information about "twin souls" or "primary soul mates" that we've tentatively gathered so far. This info may be revised as more information comes to light:




Revision: Physical appearance has little or nothing to do with twin soul pairing. Old: Twin souls do not necessarily look alike. Many seem to be complete opposites such as brunette with blond, blue eyes/brown eyes, thick hair/thin hair, large boned/small boned. But those twin souls who DO look alike resemble each other very closely. In all cases studied so far, there seems to be a common ancestry, even if it's only from one side of each other's family.
It seems so far that many twin souls have their sun signs in the same element. For those who want a quick astrology lesson, the elements and signs are:

AIR: Gemini, Libra, Aquarius
FIRE: Aries, Leo, Sagittarius
WATER: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces
EARTH: Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn
The big three (sun, moon, rising) are of the same element or in compatible (sextile) elements. If one person has two fire and one air, the other person does too. They are less likely to be twin souls if one person had one earth and the other one didn't.
Rising signs (might be) the same with the rulers in the same element.
The moon of one is conjunct an angle of the other's chart.
One of these seem to be a cardinal rule so far: Sun is conjunct the moon of the other; moons are in the same element, or moons are in the same sign.
Twin Souls meet when there's a personal planet progressed to the sun/moon midpoint on each natal chart.
There may be a preponderance of aspects, especially by trine, from the personal planets of one's natal chart to another's Midheaven.
Many planets of one person's chart fall into the angular houses of the other's natal chart.
The numbers 6, 9, 15, 24, 27 seem to be part of the birthdays. Twin Souls often meet on one of those days, too.
Twin soul relationships tend to be short-lived. These are the reasons that we've seen so far: death, explosiveness from the intensity of being with your mirror, spiritual immaturity of one or both partners, and most often, obligation to an already committed relationship/marriage.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Can somebody translate this???

The big three (sun, moon, rising) are of the same element or in compatible (sextile) elements. If one person has two fire and one air, the other person does too. They are less likely to be twin souls if one person had one earth and the other one didn't.

[nirgal]

Hmmmmm, I have something to show you :D. I'll bring it monday.
What time were you born?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

...don't know, I'll ask my mom tomorrow. I think it was around 5:30 pm, why?

[nirgal]

I don't really buy into astrology, but I'll look at it sometimes in retrospect. Horor scopes are pointless(IMHO), but portraits of personalities and situations are often accurate. I don't know how this could prove or disapprove twinsouls, but on the way two people interact, it seems to be pretty accurate....

Out of coureosity I looked up what I could find....
Suns... both air
Moons are sextile (compatible) air and fire
Ascendents .......both water
Don't know what the other stuff means

The interpretation of the other aspects is fascinating though.... I'll bring it along

[nirgal]

This link is a trip!! the 67 steps on the souls journey to twin souls...or something

http://p202.ezboard.com/ftwinsoulsandsoulmatesfrm2.showMessage?topicID=153 3.topic


OOOh!
This is something different (pays to look before commenting :p) There is something else out there that documents the journey of the soul through x number of planes or something like that....

All of the stuff written on this site seems really familiar, no? :D

1.) The resonance- You meat and something you just don't know what hits you. I've lived this before, I know this person from somewhere but just dont know where. Dont recognize the face but those eyes say something.......you look further.....deep inside you see a soul. Very familiar! What is this spose to mean?

2) The search- You ask people and get the odd eye strange look. Some come right out and say you are out of your mind. Others just point their finger to their temple and spin it in a circle. None the less you know you are not crazy. This really happened.

3) The quest- So you search high and low for answers to "this connection" read every book you get your hands on. You are taken into faiths and beliefs you never knew existed. You learn much, you grow much.
You realize how limited everything is you were ever taught. Everything is so new, so beautiful. You think you know what it is all about.

4) The Dance- You feel so spiritual. The universe has no limits. You bask in the beauty of the connection and all your new found knowledge. This can only mean one thing. A physical union on Earth.

5) The denial- you question your own sanity. Theres no way this could be. I can't relate to someone so haenous and ego filled. NOT MY TWIN!!! no way.

6) The syncronisities- Every where you turn you are reminded of the connection. Number paterns pop up at the oddest times. same goes for songs, messages, pictures. You have experiences that transends beyond the physical realm. Things that can't be explained and when explained you are given that odd eye psycho look.

7) Dreams- You have vivid dreams, not just about your twin but dreams filled with spiritual meaning. Some of your dreams come true.

8.) The mirror- You start getting in touch with your own spirtuality. You see the reflection of the mirror in your soul. You know that you know but don't know what to do with it.

9) The Question- You question is this all one sided?
Does the other know? Where are we going? Will we be together.

10) The teacher- You have so much to say and say it.
So much wisdom in your thoughts. The words just flow out of nowhere. Its for someone, for self for understanding and sharing.


11) The Wondering- You wonder will this end. It depletes you, leaves you drained, sad, lonely and wore out. Just when you think you have it figured out you realize you are back to square one just a little more freyed at the edges.

12) The Stillness- For some reason, you find yourself with nothing to say. You want to respond to like minded souls but the words seem lost somewhere. you feel a little empty. Almost as if your soul slumbers.

13) The Truth- Just when you think you have found out the truth, the world steps in, the cosmos step in, God divine steps, your angels, your spirit guides and perfect strangers step in only to show you theres more. Just as you grow and think you know you are shown differently grow from that and yet again you are shown. Finally you realize that the only truth you can say without a doubt is that you are not alone and the lessons keep comming.

14)The Surrender-You suddenly feel very small. Even helpless, to something much greater that you are. You feel as though the Source is playing with you. That you are an experiment of some sort and have no control over it. You try to fight, but you will never win. But by surrendering to this power, extraordinary beauty and growth flow very easily ( The Dance ).

15)The Answer-The overwhelming urge to share this phenomenon with the world and the desire for others to know such love. To touch others directly or indirectly so that they will realize there is more, but find it very hard to explain in mere words. It's too inexplicable
and unbelievable, but you try.

16)The Frustration-Wanting to be a part of your twin's physical life on Earth in some way.

17)The Home Plate-You feel relaxed and totally at ease. Comfortable and in harmony with your twin. You feel as though you have been far away but have come home again. You feel safe, engulfed in a warm security on familiar ground.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

lol, yeah :) it does.

[nirgal]

:) I'll say!

[HoneySuckleBlue]

No way!

[nirgal]

Way

[nirgal]

Borrowed From Moving Cloud...

Down in the gardens of bygone times
amid flowers wilted, I stood wondering
How could my path ever
divide from yours

A stranger I had run into yet known so long
I found in you the reflections
of blossoming seasons, and change

Embraced by the wonder, I look on you
even as you speak to my innermost
like from my own stillness inside

Be all you are, undivided, and whole
not separate from your own true Self
In this we are not apart

In this we are the very same
divine flame


She's Good !

[nirgal]

......Spirit may require that you prove yourself worthy of this love and place you in a situation wherein you must truly discover if this is an unconditional love by separating you, sometimes only temporarily, sometimes permanently, depending on what lessons you have to learn in this lifetime ... Which brings us to another point, Twin Flames are earned not given, you must prepare yourself to be able to join with your Twin flame, it is not an automatic, it is a gift. And as a gift it is truly a privilege to know your Twin Flame but you must be ready, you will have to learn to love deeper than you ever thought possible and that usually means meeting, loving and losing "near twins" to which are in reality Companion Soul Mates. Are you brave and strong enough to be able to risk loving with your heart and soul just to have the dream shattered? If not then seeking your Twin Flame is not for you for you must deepen your capacity to love before you can know unconditional love and that means experiencing pain as well as joy. The more pain you have experienced the more joy you are capable of holding within. Sometimes the cup of love must be completely shattered before it can be built strong enough to hold the love of your Twin Flame......

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Mebbe that is why you don't hear too much about twim flames, sounds like alot of work...and suffering. Who in their right mind would want that?


Gotta love a good masochist:X

[nirgal]

I do :X

[BlackGuardXIII]

I don't really buy into astrology, but I'll look at it sometimes in retrospect. Horor scopes are pointless(IMHO), but portraits of personalities and situations are often accurate. I don't know how this could prove or disapprove twinsouls, but on the way two people interact, it seems to be pretty accurate....

Out of coureosity I looked up what I could find....
Suns... both air
Moons are sextile (compatible) air and fire
Ascendents .......both water
Don't know what the other stuff means

The interpretation of the other aspects is fascinating though.... I'll bring it along
It is my reality this year. every heartwrenching second of it.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Exquisite torture this thing called living...if you're doing it right;)

[nirgal]

I must be doing it right then.
Hurt me again, please! :p
No, I didn't really mean that..........

[BlackGuardXIII]

I must be doing it right then.
Hurt me again, please! :p
No, I didn't really mean that..........
It always seems to be the way for me, that if I have too much pleasure, there is bound to be some pain on the way. And if I go through some exceptionally painful times, there are good times ahead. It is also my experience that I learn my deepest lessons from times of utter pain and misery.

[scarlettchasingroses]

i had to do some digging.....but i found this thread......and i wanted to bump it up to the top again.....


put simply.....bryan and i feel we are twin souls....or twin flames or whatever you want to call it....

as i said earlier in this thread, we are essentially the yin and yang.....

....i love him very much.....and he loves me very much....

*so, there it is, a sort of public announcement, although.....i think there are those who knew this already*

[Scholar_Warrior]

Beautiful!


Bryan?

Much love to both of you!

[Moominpappa]

Edward: "Vivian! Vivian! Princess Vivian, come down! It had to be the top floor, right?"
Vivian: "It's the best!"
Edward: "All right, I'm coming up."
"So what happened after he climbed up the tower and rescued her?"
Vivian: "She rescues him right back."

Congrats on rescuing your very own princess

[nirgal]

:) :) :) Love is all!
Thank you both

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Did you notice Greg the chain of events that led to this thread being bumped back up? If it had'nt been for Gil and Bryan's playful scuffle and what I said, and Scarlett taking it to heart last night when you asked your question???

Heeh we are all so connected, lol

[nirgal]

Yeah, I saw all this, but sometimes I don't believe what I'm seeing :p
Face the strange, Daniel Danielson!

[scarlettchasingroses]

Edward: "Vivian! Vivian! Princess Vivian, come down! It had to be the top floor, right?"
Vivian: "It's the best!"
Edward: "All right, I'm coming up."
"So what happened after he climbed up the tower and rescued her?"
Vivian: "She rescues him right back."

Congrats on rescuing your very own princess

hehe....isn't that from "pretty woman"?

....it's so true.....

[scarlettchasingroses]

Did you notice Greg the chain of events that led to this thread being bumped back up? If it had'nt been for Gil and Bryan's playful scuffle and what I said, Scarlett taking to heart last night when you asked your question???

Heeh we are all so connected, lol

we are indeed all so connected.....

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Big love you guys:) Big love.

[scarlettchasingroses]

right back at you....

[HoneySuckleBlue]

It's everywhere...you just gotta tap in to it;)

[scarlettchasingroses]

and those who are keen....already know how to tap into it.....


.....may i ask why you are inside on such a lovely day? i'm stuck at work, or else i would be out enjoying this WONDERFUL weather......

[nirgal]

I'ts frrikin cold, cloudy and drizzly here in the mid atlantic..... brrrrr :)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

yeah man, anything but lovely here...but I was waiting for the festivities to start at my parents house (we are doing easter today since tomorrow is supposed to be even yuckier...) and now I am back again after catching a huge buzz fromtheir wine and spontaneously busting one of my mom's wine glasses:eek: Randybuk was there she saw it...it was'nt me!!! It just blew up...

(we had sooo much fun dying the eggs!!!)

[nirgal]

Did you notice Greg the chain of events that led to this thread being bumped back up? If it had'nt been for Gil and Bryan's playful scuffle and what I said, and Scarlett taking it to heart last night when you asked your question???

Heeh we are all so connected, lol
It's like the question forms and asks itself before I voice it or If time isn't linear, but more holographic, or layerd, then the past, present and future adjust to fit the now.
Isn't it strange :) Thanks for the answer everybody...

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I don't know...I think it is kinda like chess where each move spawns a dozen other variables into each individual game. As i typed that yesterday about them not really having posted a public notice, this thread actualy popped into my head because it was the only placed i had read mention about scarlet and pj, so it was'nt really a suprise to see it resurface, it seems kinda logical in the order of progression because of it's connection to the subject. I think this is a really neat example because it is entirely contained and documented here in the field.

Can't remember movies or song names but hell if i can't remember me some thread contents.:p

I agree though about the questions being like the holograms and Past, Present and Future adjusting to the Now. I've been observing that since the rainbow gathering i went to when I had a run in withthe great Spirit of the North (feckin bastid shoved me while I was in the shower...then made me think about a bunch of stuff:rolleyes: ) When I look out and see, what i see is a direct line from my current now and the things I think at that time. As my thoughts grow and change so does the image of the future. Remember how the picture changed in that goofy Michael J. Fox movie...Back To the Future...it's kinda like that but with more detail.

If the way we think is related to quantum mechanics then true there are quantumleaps and weird strangeness but they are few and far between, most everything else happens more mundanely and leaves a trail of occurence. So most likely suprises and coincidences are just things we've just forgotten about.

lol, I'm gonna go drink another one now:p

[Moominpappa]

I sure as hell didn't understand a word she said,

But I helped her drink her wine,

Singing joy to the world, all the boys and girls now,
Joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea
Joy to you and me

hehe....isn't that from "pretty woman"?
and yes, pretty woman, it was scarlet...oops, sorry, yes scarlet, it was pretty woman. We White Knights aren't always hopeless romantics - some of us are quite good at it

[nirgal]

Yes,Yes.. but the question was internal, and the answer not known as an answer, by those that gave it. A "co-incidence" but there are no accidents. So it was more like one of those quantum adjustments, which I think are more common than is generaly thought of. If we are each creating the world at each instant, and everyone we meet is us in different clothes, then the world can change completely in the blink of an eye. Quantum physics is also something we create.

We need contrast to see it though.
If everything is the blanket, in order to precieve the blanket there needs to be "not the blanket" so an appearant duality must be created. I think individual conciousness is the appearent duality created to contrast the universalness of us all, the "we are all one". A way of the universe growing by becoming aware of itself through contrast. How else could something that is all, everything and eternal grow, except by experiencing seperateness and limitation?
The twin spirit would be a further refinement. Like taking an apple and slicing it in pieces. the last division would be the twins, complementary opposites. As we we put the pieces back together again, the twins join first and become one, incorporating both awarenesses, then those sets of completed twins would find join with other completed sets, and on and on until the apple is whole again...... yet now all the individual awarnesses are directly aware of all the others, and all the experiences.
or something like that.
Because words never fit just right......

[HoneySuckleBlue]

We need contrast to see it though
Is'nt conciousness the contrast?

[luvndrumn]

Is'nt conciousness the contrast?I think consciousness is a state from which we can perceive contrast - or not. One look around today tends to support this in my mind. Lots of people not perceiving contrast. (Of course it could be argued that they don't perceive at all. And/or that they aren't even conscious.)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

If conciousness was the blanket (at any given moment our experiences can unify into a single concious field), then the regular 'putting your shoe on', 'the sky is blue' kind of concousness would hold a different perspective than the 'trancending the blankets structure so you can go beyond the blanket' kind of conciousness which usually requires a more dramatic event that triggers deep questioning of your Now...


Unless you learn to trancend with out the extremes, so the seemingly simple task of putting on a flip flop has the potential to permanetly alter your conciousness.

My point being that once you see that the blanket is all one thing you are beyond the blanket and have no need for contrast.


(are you sure the question was internal Greg? when I ask myself questions i ask the universe and there is a place the entire universe resides in me so a silent question becomes an external event,like the flapping wings of a butterfly causeing a tsunami onthe other side of the world:p . I believe it's how prayers are answered and people are healed too....like a cone who's point resides at the core of 'Me'. One thing people tend to do is think they are actualy isolated from the whole...when we are all ways connected. God is always watching:eek: yup even in the bathroom )

[paintingjames]

*singin jerimiah was a bullfrog*

[HoneySuckleBlue]

*has flashbacks of riding on the back of a motor scooter with Pauly Shore down the 5:30 streets of Encino...*

[nirgal]

Oh, I see how your looking at it.

"My point being that once you see that the blanket is all one thing you are beyond the blanket and have no need for contrast."
Except, you are still part of the blanket.
All things happen always.
It's the illusion of individuality allows the miraculose to appear to happen, because It gives reference points through contrast.

The question was internal in the sense that no one in 3d world knew I asked it.. :p

[HoneySuckleBlue]

...conciously you mean?

Do you supposef we are all one then anything that happens is just a symbolic action to communicate a point and facilitate Understanding so that we may finaly be able to Be what it is we are?

[nirgal]

Yeah :) as far as I know.......

[HoneySuckleBlue]

How far is that?:p

[nirgal]

Not very, it seems....

I think you got it... keep talkin' :p

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I still don't understand what a twin flame is...why was the apple cut?

[nirgal]

I can't find a specific definition either. Or rather I can find many different ones. The symbolic one for the good christians among us, would be adam and eve.
the same idea.... sorta. contrasts that are the same, one relative to the other. Illusion of duality so that unity can be seen... I have the picture but not the words

Maybe we should ask... We both got the same answer so maybe it comes with a definition..????

God was hungry and wanted to be neat.... ?;)

[mariecstasy]

this thread is one that is difficult to read....but yet inspiring and hopeful all in the same breath. so what happens if you are not your twin flames, twin flame....or if they dont ever recognize it previous to your physical death, and cut off all ties? sorry, that sounds depressing, didnt mean it too. was just aksing.( i hate when people say it like that)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

You learn how to love yourself Marie, like they would love you. Once you master that, then could you go on to Love others the same way and the world benifits from your having met, if only briefly in this life time...

[mariecstasy]

there is much truth in that, and the way i have been viewing things and i believe that is the biggest part of believing and having faith in this sort of thing.
but i must sit with what you have written some more. i really am believing that was the reason for our meeting.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

You got the key to your self.

It was the biggest thing I learned too with this whole Twins thing and how they reveal you. Just knowing what you know totaly changes your whole new Now, if you choose to do anything about it. If you don't the magic will loose momentum and it will all fade away like a very vivid dream and you'll slip back to where you were before given enough time and inaction.

[mariecstasy]

i believe that as well, and that frightens me...thats why i am trying to find the place where i let go of the what could of been and only relish what was. cause i know i am completely different cause of it and i dont even think it is possible for me to have the same views and such that i used to, i am myself for the first time in a long long time and i just hope that i can not get stuck in the whole attachment portion of it all, if that becomes, then i will slip back and i just cant. i cant do that to myself, not cause timing was wrong.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

It's important.

For me I had to find a way to Remember but not to cling to the remembering. It's a tricky balance to find and I have a feeling everyone is gonna be different in that area....

I don't know what to say for that one, but if you ever want to bounce stuff offa me you know I'll always listen and tell you what I think.

Alot of times we get so caught up in what went wrong and we forget to move foreward with what good we did learn from the lesson. Most of the time is just a trail and error kinda existence anyway, you live and you learn, the older we get the harder because we drag so much stuff behind us. When we wee kids we screwed something up and things did'nt work out right we get up and start over and if we were smart we tried not to the same dumb things twice.

[mariecstasy]

exactly, that is one of the things i am taking from this...there was so much good...and nothing ever really goes wrong, its just the way it really is...and the way its laid to be...i was happy to ride this ride and the next one will hopefully be a little more scenic.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Well you'll definately be more aware....and who knows what's gonna happen. Mebbe all he needs is just some time alone. All this can be very overstimulating and therefore hard to cope if you're not sure of your intent.
Doubt is worse than rust...bad bad stuff, but it's a good tool if it's used right, questioning is part of the process...but you gotta know what you know.

[mariecstasy]

lol...you are tenacious, arent you?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

'cause i luuurve you:p

[mariecstasy]

and me too....so is saturday still good?

but how do you know what you know and how is that distinguished from what you just think you know.?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Exactly! (...especialy when there is no such thing as good or bad)

Yeah c'mon down:) I was planning on moving out into the tent this week any way so if you want we can camp out and build a fire and drink stuff and smoke things and see if we can't figger it out;)

[mariecstasy]

excellent plan....like i said i will probably be working until about 1 on sunday, depending on how much longer i can work daily this week....and then we will come on down....i hope the kids love one another.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Just gimme a call before you leave, you can get here any time cause i'm flexible like that:p

I think they will fall right in together, Virginia loves Phil and Heathers little girl and arianna reminds me soo much of her it's uncanny and Jess will make sure they stay out of trouble, they'll definately get dirty though:)

[Moominpappa]

I got lost back there a bit... so is it a patchwork blanket? Or one of those shiny one they throw over people after they've done the marathon...


http://www.mensracing.com/photos/2004/marathontrials04/marathontrials189.jpg

[nirgal]

Yep, and they used to be called "Space Blankets"

You've told me I taught you a lot, but I haven't, I feel it's the inverse, that you've taught me. So, I suspect that it's the interaction of the energies opens both to knollege. That sort of "sparkle" thing that is generated may be a lifting of the blanket.

The Keys to yourself....
You learn how to love yourself Marie, like they would love you. Once you master that, then could you go on to Love others the same way and the world benifits from your having met, if only briefly in this life time...


For me I had to find a way to Remember but not to cling to the remembering. It's a tricky balance to find and I have a feeling everyone is gonna be different in that area....


Kim left me a whole bunch of keys, I know the right one is in
here...somewhere :&... I'll find it sooner or later

And the attachment part of it is the hardest to let go of...
That's two In a row ;)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Well if we are each students and teachers it seems to make perfect sense. I think we have a hard time accepting the paradox (or lack of enough perspective) of having more than one object existing in the same Time/space. We are so used to having things all lined up one right after the other that we forget this happens from every possible direction...all the time.

Do you guys think this is a new process though, or is it so full blown we forgot we already do this stuff, but on a less intense scale? Each one of us it seems when looking back on the experience has said they wanted to make sure they apply and live up to the Bigness of the Love they felt at the height of It.

[nirgal]

I think that is the process. But with twins the learning is very intense and trancendent. I think soulmates and groups, people with sympathetic harmonizing vibrations (whatever terms ring) also facilitate this and open us. And the more of us that are together, the more it opens.
Do any of you find yourselves answering things that you didn't "know" you had the answer to, but suddenly you do?

The Bigness of the Love felt at the height of it never leaves, it stands a waymark and a reminder of where we came from and where we are going. And it can (with much work, patience and growth) get refocused and become a seed in this life for those of us that aren't ready to join fully with our twins this time around.
The more you give, the more you have.

[mariecstasy]

the more you give, the more you have.....never a truer statement...its funny when we sit in depression and sadness and want someone to help us that the main thing we need to do is the really give to someone else.

oh the power of love and giving:)

[paintingjames]

http://www.artemis-artist.com/images/tableaux/yin.yang.jpg

[scarlettchasingroses]

Oooo...my....i really like that picture.....

[paintingjames]

yeah i especially like the dung beetle copyright muahahaha

[scarlettchasingroses]

dung beetles are amazing.....they are the first animal ever discovered to use the moonlight's polarization to guide its travels.....

[HoneySuckleBlue]

You guys totaly helped to shape my thoughts...the last couple days as i was rolling out piles of thorney vines that I'd pulled outta my trees and making big balls out of them, I kept getting images of dung beetles and scarlet's words about the moon in my head, lol. People are more like bugs than they want to admit, methinks....

[scarlettchasingroses]

but the truly wise ones do admit to being like bugs.....

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Basic simple bug conciousness is really interesting...you know how bees will all undulate their wings in patterns, and the way bugs just gotta 'Do' what ever it is they are born to Do...

Unless they are in my house...then they suffer an instantaneous flash into the next life upon recognition. (Though I am debating making an ant farm...)

[paintingjames]

what is this about bees ungulating their wings in patterns?