hydrocodone

[anti]

i dont know about you guys, but hydrocodone isnt really that great. the only realy cool thing is i can slap myself in the face, and it doesnt hurt. the first few times i took it it was cool. id take like 8, and id be good. the other day i took 15, and nothing. how long does it take for your tolerance to go back to normal?

[Codone Consumer]

15? thats insane. You probably damaged your liver so bad. If they were 5mg hydrocodone and 500 mg's acetaminophen. Then you almost doubled the maximum amount of tylenol in a 24 hour period! And you took them in like a 5 minute period.

[LostChord]

then you're taking it wrong


you really wanna get fucked up... crush up a pill or two and do lines of it... and if thats not good enough smoke a little weed (some of the powder mixed in) and take a few shots... but hydrocodone gives me bad headaches coming down

[madboy139]

DO NOT SNORT OR SMOKE HYDROCODONE. do you realize how big those pills are. even without fillers/binders thats 505 milligrams of shit up your nose. smoking it is also pointless because youd have to smoke so much. a little sprinkled with weed will not get you high.

[daymuse]

What the fuck is up with taking 8-15 you fucking retard?
Smoking it with weed will get you high. Snort at your discretion.

Madboy, Who the fuck are you to be telling anyone to be careful? We'rent you talking about taking uppers with downers in some other post???

[makno]

hydromorphine-dilaudid ....yea now ter talkin!

[mssunshine]

umm...yeah you should be careful taking high doses *IF* your not used to it...i was taking the vicodin ES 7.5/750..upto 10-15 a day...my dr JUST switched me yesterday to vicodin HP which i believe is 10/650...my body is used to the high dosage, since i have been on them for a year and half now, however liver damage is a reality for me from the excess junk in the pills....

[crackforkids]

its not supposed to be that great. 8 is crazy. 15 is liver damage guarentee.

drink a LITTLE bit on them. not too much. tolerance should be gone in like a week or a week and a half if you havent been doing to much. if youve been using them everyday for a LONG time, you just need to find new drugs, that will stop working

[7leafclover]

Definately crush a little up and snort it. Also, sprinkling a little of it on a bowl will fuck your world up. The combination will make you feel like your floating.

[BoozeJockey]

Msunshine...No real doctor would prescribe someone 10 vicodin ES's a day, that is guaranteed quite bad liver damage(if taking this many for a period of time) and it is also quite bad on your kidneys...

[mssunshine]

First off, i never said it was okay to take that amount...i just stated that is the amount i take....and im perscribed 6 a day...1 every 4 hours....as for my dr...yes he does perscribe for me that amount....and has for a year and a half...thanks to the beautiful healthcare in this country...it has taken that long and that much red tape to get approval for my MRI for my back...which i just got last month...and now i have FINALLY been passed off to the surgeon...not that you wanted to know all of that...lol...


contrary to peoples opinions...i would like to get off the stuff...its cool once in awhile, but to be dependent on it...and then have the withdrawls that come with it when you go through your perscription way before your supposed to...it sucks....i would actually rather have the problem fixed and stay away from perscriptions, and go back to the fun, illegal street drugs :):):)

[TreePhiend]

I just got some hydrocodones and railed half a pill yesterday. It got me fucked up, but that shit is harsh as hell and burns like a motherfucker when snorted.

[BoozeJockey]

Ah ok mssunshine, makes more sense when you put it that way, lol sorry. And yes i have also experienced the terrible healthcare in the states...

[Maggie Sugar]

It is not uncommon for pain patients to be prescribed 10 or so a day. Some docs do NOT want to use Schedule II drugs, so you are stuck with the shit with fillers in them, and if you NEED them, a good doc shouldn't let you suffer.

Vicoprofen is 7.5 mgs of hydrocodone with 200 mgs of iibuprofen in it. Not as hard on your liver, and if you take it with some pepsid, not too hard on your stomach. My doc has me on both, to help with tolerance. It kinda works. A good doctor should be doing liver function tests at least once a year. More if you have had any liver problems. My liver is fine, but I do not drink ANY alcohol. I think the alcohol, even in small amounts adds to the toxicity. I should, according to some stats, have liver problems by now,(YEARS of ODing on OTC tylenol products when I wasn't being treated properly for my pain) but the fact that I NEVER drink has saved my liver. I have to warn people that it is also the fact that mixing booze with opiates effects your respiratory system and isn't safe. I wouldn't drink on Hydro for any reason. Liver or lungs.

Tolerance sucks, as if you are taking the drug for pain, it just keeps going up and up. You stay at the same dosage for quite a while, then have some nasty breakthrough pain and have to increase. The healthcare system KNOWS the huge quantites of the fillers are dangerous, but doesn't care. It is a difficult thing for docs to prescribe Schedule II drugs (as you can't get refills, the doctor and the pharmacist has to make reports to the DEA, and they are more expensive) if the asinine Scheduling system in the US were eliminated, it would only help the health of those with pain disorders.

[mssunshine]

I dont know the difference in the scheduled drugs. You keep saying schedule II drugs. Dont they have just straight vicodin you can take without anything else in it?

[APinkBunnyRabbit]

I dont know the difference in the scheduled drugs. You keep saying schedule II drugs. Dont they have just straight vicodin you can take without anything else in it?

Yea but that's more restricted - schedule 2.

[madboy139]

no they dont have that. hydrocodone is always prescribed with an NSAID. and it would be the same schedule either way. and smoking/snorting hydrocodone is almost completely ineffective.

[Maggie Sugar]

SUBSTANCES OF ABUSE
















"CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT DRUG SCHEDULE"



SCHEDULE I:

a) has high potential for abuse
b) has no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States


c) has a lack of accepted safety for use

SCHEDULE II:

a) has a high potential for abuse


b) has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States
c) abuse may lead to severe physical or psychological dependence

SCHEDULE III:

a) has a high potential for abuse
b) has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States
c) abuse may lead to moderate or low physical or psychological dependence

SCHEDULE IV:

a) has a low potential for abuse relative to Schedule III
b) has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States
c) abuse may lead to limited physical or psychological dependence relative to those in Schedule III SCHEDULE V: a) has a low potential for abuse relative to Schedule IV
b) has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States
c) abuse may lead to limited physical or psychological dependence relative to those in Schedule IV

Yes there is a hydrocodone with no fillers in it, but it is Schedule II. Most doctors, if they have to go through the trouble to write a Schedule II drug will use Oxy or Morphine. Most won't write a prescription for hydrocodone or codiene without the fucking fillers, as it carries the same weight as a stronger drug. Both codiene and hydrocodone are available with no fillers, they are Schdeule II and almost impossible to obtain, even in chronic pain treatment. Most doctors will go with a filler drug, to stay under Schedule II in Schedule III or IV or even V, or go with Oxycodone or Morphine for more severe pain, if they want to do a Schedule II.

Also, the fillers are not all NSAIDs. NSAID stands for "Non Steroidal AntiInflamitory Drug" Tylenol is NOT an anti inflamitory, it is in a class by itself, although some include in in the NSAID class, it does nothing for inflamiation, like ibuprofen, aspirin or the other NSAIDs do.

[steve-rudy]

I read these posts and was pretty disturbed. i was prescribed hydrocodone for chronic pain and took alot for a year then realized the actemine? tylenol problem and asked my DR for pure pain reliever and he presrcibes oxycodone

I'm amazed no one said this...doing 2-3 grams of hydro can kill you, and daily?? U will regert it when ur on dialysis or dead or worse....see yr dR and tell him u cant tolerate tylenol(acet) and beg for oxycodone..its so pure..no damge and better!!! so why ever take h again??? good luck

[steve-rudy]

take milk thistle..Milk thistle is an herb..natural...cheap..walmart, mostr drug stores have it. ITS A MUST if you're gonna take any drugs...any...its the only proven natural thing that actually protects the liver from toxins and rejuvenates it..YOU MUST TAKE IT...if u take the reccomended 3 caps a day..depends on amt etc but u might get small tremors...i have been taking 1-2 a day for 3 -4 yrs and I KNOW ITS SAVED MY LIFE...i've od'ed a few times and would be dead w/o it.
BE CAREFUL....drop alllll tylenol - acetemetaphine i can't spell oit..tylenol can kill u they should get rid of it...

so..switch to oxycodone and take milk thistle and u might make it

[trippytrippy]

i really cant believe that many hydros and didnt feel it i get fucked off of one and drinkin and smoking and really fucked off of two.

[DarkAbyss]

^
Seriously, 2 7.5's and some good bud and I'm completely gone. Maybe I'm a lightweight, but hey, it saves me lots of $

[steve-rudy]

im siting here shaking scared i took too much....ive been in hospital bfore...its an awful trip...i did the extractionnprocess and did alot of them i feel ok but weak and well.if it hits me it will be pretty soon...that horrible freezing shaking blue lips terror and awful..etc if i ride it out i would be sick for days or be a weakling and normal and hit the ER and have to tell my dr..and trouble..

wish me luck

[redfreak]

All-ite. Heer's da 411 on hydro/oxy-Codone without getting the Tylenol (acetaminophin). Crush pills, place in metal soup ladle. Add hot h2o to make thick-milky soup. Apply heat & stir till ya see steam..ezy tho cause heat kills the get high part. Mix and pour into a peice of nylon pantyhose. Then wring it out in clean container. Booya, instant seperation. The juice contains the opiate (watersoluable) and the pantyhose holds da bunkjunk-tylenol-Not watersoulable. I like adding a booster (synergist) like hydroxizine aka Visteril or Atarax, 50-100mg OR promethizine aka phenergan, 50-100mg.

[psychoactive321]

you cant snort that shit unless it is pure hydacodone with out acetaphine in it. the ap/ap burns the fuck our of your noes

[Tristen]

i dont know about you guys, but hydrocodone isnt really that great. the only realy cool thing is i can slap myself in the face, and it doesnt hurt.
Ummm..yeah, that sounds really "cool":rolleyes:

[Lilyrayne]

I don't do drugs, but I do have a prescription for Hydrocodone. I think it's the 5/500 one. The topic of this thread got my attention because I take it...

It was prescribed for KILLER menstrual cramps when I was a teenager and I've been taking it as needed ever since, which is about 3 or 4 days in a row once a month, every 4 hours. Unfortunately I guess I built up a tolerance because it wasn't enough, so I've been taking 2 Aleve every 12 hours to take the edge off for the last few years.

Now I've been reading about liver problems and I'm wondering if the Aleve/hydrocodone combo is bad? I can ask the doc for something stronger I guess but afraid he won't give it to me. Anyway if anyone knows if my combining the two is a bad idea, let me know!

[PhotoGra1]

there is currently no hydrocodone only tablet available. There is codeine. EVERY TABLET YOU TAKE HAS FILLERS. Acetaminophen is not a filler, it is an active ingredient. Fillers are what make up the actual tablet, and holds the drug together.

Fillers = inert ingredients

[Maggie Sugar]

There are hydrocodone only tablets available. However, they are Schedule II, and most doctors will put you on Oxycodone before bothering with Schedule II hydro. Hydro with fillers are all Schedule III, which means the doctor can write you refills (up to 5) and can call them in to a pharmacy, and there isn't nasty DEA paperwork involved.

If a doctor is going to go to the trouble of writing a Schedule II drug, he will give you Oxy or MS.

I JUST said this!

[PhotoGra1]

Maggie Sugar,

There is no single entity hydrocodone product, I just double checked in Drug Facts & Comparisons. I am not trying to start anything, but I know I am right this time.

Hydrocodone is available with abuprofen, acetaminophen,guaifenesin, and sometimes with an antihistamine or decongestant. Hydrocodone products are all schedule III, which does mean they can be phoned in & have up to 5 refills within 6 months. Some state laws differ, but you are correct on the federal law.

EVERY PHARMACEUTICAL, Nutriceutical, herbal, vitamin, mineral, or food supplement that you take HAS FILLERs, unless it is an extract, then maybe not. Fillers are inert substances that hold the tablet together (ie, methylcellulose, carboxymethylcellulose, propylene glycol, glycerin, wax matrix, gelatin capsule, etc.)

[Maggie Sugar]

No, photo, I have no intention of arguing. I think this forum is great for information and discussion. I am glad to discuss issues with intelligent people like yourself! :D

There is a tablet called HYCODAN. It is hydrocodone alone, it's indication is for "cough" but many doctors prescribe "off label" as a pain med. It is exactly the same hydrocodone as contained in Vicodin. It comes in 5 mg tablets as well as syrup.

Here is a link
http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_detail.asp?brand_name_id=837&dowhat=accept_disclaimer



Brand Namehttp://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gifHycodanhttp://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gifCommon Namehttp://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gifhydrocodonehttp://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gifHow does this medication work? What will it do for me?http://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gif

Hydrocodone belongs to the family of medications known as antitussives (cough suppressants). This medication is used to control coughing that is exhausting and nonproductive (nothing is coughed up). It works on the brain to decrease the urge to cough. Hydrocodone is a narcotic medication and therefore can be habit-forming if taken for long periods of time. Your doctor may choose to use a medication for conditions other than the ones listed in these drug information articles....

http://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gifHow should I use this medication?http://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gif

Adults: The recommended adult dose of hydrocodone is 5 mg (1 teaspoonful [5 mL] or 1 tablet) not less than 4 hours apart, after meals and at bedtime with food or a glass of milk. Do not exceed 30 mg (6 doses) in a 24-hour period. The maximum single dose for adults is 15 mg (3 tablets or 15 mL). The maximum single dose for children over 12 years is 10 mg (2 tablets or 10 mL).

Children (2 to 12 years): The recommended dose is 2.5 mg (one-half teaspoonful [2.5 mL] or one-half tablet) not less than 4 hours apart, after meals and at bedtime with food or a glass of milk. Do not exceed 15 mg (6 doses) in a 24-hour period. The maximum single dose is 5 mg (1 tablet or 5 mL).

Children (less than 2 years): The recommended dose is 1.25 mg (one-quarter tablet or one-quarter teaspoonful [1.25 mL]) not less than 4 hours apart, after meals and at bedtime with food or a glass of milk. Do not exceed 7.5 mg (6 doses) in a 24-hour period. The maximum single dose is 1.25 mg (one-quarter tablet or 1.25 mL). Many things can affect the dose of medication that a person needs, such as body weight, other medical conditions, and other medications. If your doctor has recommended a dose different from the ones listed here, do not change the way that you are using the medication without consulting your doctor.....

http://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gifWhat form(s) does this medication come in?http://chealth.canoe.ca/images/1px-trans.gifHycodan® is available as syrup and tablets.

Syrup: Each 5 mL of red, wild-cherry-flavoured syrup contains hydrocodone bitartrate 5 mg. Nonmedicinal ingredients: amaranth (dye), artificial cherry flavour, caramel syrup, hydrochloric acid, methylparaben, propylparaben, purified water, sorbitol solution 70%, and sucrose. The syrup does not contain alcohol, lactose, sodium, sulfite, or tartrazine.

Tablets: Each white, scored tablet contains hydrocodone bitartrate 5 mg. Nonmedicinal ingredients: cornstarch, lactose, pregelatinized tapioca starch, stearic acid, talc, and zinc stearate. The tablets do not contain sodium or tartrazine.

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I hope your surgery goes well. Heal quickly!

Blessings,
Maggie

[PhotoGra1]

Hycodan also now contains homatropine, a drying agent.

My surgery went fine, I am in some pain, but not awful. I had a pilonidal cyst extraction. They gave me percs.

Alleve & hydrocodone is no problem, BREE. Overdoses of Alleve would hurt your kidneys and/or stomach. Two tablest twice a day for 3 to 4 days a month is far from an overdose. Overdose of hydrocodone causing liver problems would be from the acetominophen. There are reports of individuals consuming up to 15,000 mg of acetaminophen in a single dose with no adverse effects, HOWEVER, that dose can also be LETHAL, do not try it. I think, but I am not sure, that lethal doses of acetaminophen start at 6 grams (6000mg) per day. Acetaminphen is in all kinds of products, always read the lable, or check with the pharmacist. The current guidelines with acetaminophen are no more than 4 grams (4000mg) per day for accute pain, no more than 3 grams (3000mg) for daily, chronic pain. If your tablets are 5/500mg, you should be able to take 8 per day. DO NOT DRINK, however. Alcohol with acetaminophen quickly causes liver damage. The combo almost forms something like a "PAC-MAN" that just eats at your liver cells. Very bad idea.

(Information on Hycodan
Learn more about usage, cautions, and possible side effects.
Tablets
Chemical Name: HYDROCODONE (hye-droe-KOE-done) and HOMATROPINE (hoe-MA-troe-peen)
Common uses
This medicine is a narcotic cough suppressant and anticholinergic combination used to treat cough due to colds or flu. It may also be used for other conditions as determined by your doctor.)
http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/prices/drugprice.asp?ndc=63481004270&trx=1Z5006

(The anticholinergic was added to help "prevent abuse." Similar to naloxone being added to Talwin NX)

[Maggie Sugar]

There is homotropine in Vicodin 5/500s too. It isn't an opiate antagonist, like the antagonist in Talwin NX. NX is similar to Narcan, which reverses opiate effects. I know of no docs who use Talwin anymore, though. Most pain patients don't like it, and the NX ruins the pain killing effects as well as other things. Homotropine is a atropine like drug, it doesn't interfere with pain killing propeties, just makes one feel like shit if one takes too much of it. Some people actually like the feel of atropine drugs.

I am glad your surgery went well. Heal quickly.

[PhotoGra1]

Maggie,

I knew I was right, it turns out that you are right too. This was from a Google search for hycodan insert:
http://www.google.com/search?q=hycodan+insert&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Hycodan , Hydrocodone
... In the US, Hycodan also contains homatropine; in Canada, Hycodan contains only hydrocodone...
www.healthtouch.com/.../drugShowLfts.asp?fname=usp0647. htm&title=Hycodan+%2C+Hydrocodone&cid=HT - 52k -
I know its not an opiate antagonist, and I rarely dispense Talwin NX anymore. Neither patients or docs like it. I always assumed the homatropine was added to combat abuse. Anticholinergics are nasty if you take way to much. But, now that you questioned me, I now believe it is in there for its drying effects. Homatrapine is extremely drying, and probably aids in cold symptoms.
There is no homatropine in Vicodin.
Vicodin Ingredients and Composition
Each Vicodin tablet contains:
hydrocodone bitartrate 5 mg
acetaminophen 500 mg
Other Vicodin ingredients include:
colloidal silicon dioxide
corn starch
croscarmelllose sodium
dibasic calcium phosphate
magnesium stearate
microcrystalline cellulose
povidone
stearic acid
http://pharma-help.com/vicodin/vicodin-ingredients-and-composition
I hope this clears everything up. Thanks for the discussion, though. I enjoy reading your posts. I am doing much better now, thank you.
(BTW: I got more Percocet) ;)