2CI dosage?

[RoBoWaLkEr]

For those who have experience with 2CI, what would you consider to be a good dose to get full effects, but not take too much? I've only had experience with 2ce, but I've had a good amount of exp. with it so i wanna jump right in with 2CI. Thanks.

[GD Cat]

my favorite dose is 20-24mg. but i suggest you start lower because you never know how your body will react to this chemical./

[AceAzamean]

Since I dont pretend to know what 10-30MGs looks like, as no other person on the board should, here is what I would do (and did for my first time)

Take a BIC blue (or black...) ink pen (a regular old cheap one), take the cap off, and use the caps pocket lever as a kind of shovel. mark the underside of this at the 1mm mark and the 2mm mark. Now, if u take a scoop out at the 1mm mark your getting about 10mg, at the 2nd mark its about 20mg.

Your scoops sould look to be 1mm high.

This is accurate for 2ci varying a MAX of 2.5mg if you do it right and dont over/under scoop too much.

I came up with this using method and tested it with a scale about 10 times, and it worked with little variance. I did this because i only borrowed the scale and could not keep it so i needed a perminant way to measure.

Also, if you place this pile onto something rather than licking it off of the cap itself make sure to tap it, 2c1 sticks to everything and you could loose as much as 2mg per 10mg scoop.

Start with 10mg, get yourself a glow stick, and prepair to see trails of light about 20ft long, and the ability to here over great distances. my 2 favorite enhancements.

[Fractual_]

yeah i was going to say be careful, very hard to measure mgs i imagine, and remember how little we do know about these research chemicals, there has been a recorded death from an OD or 2.

[AceAzamean]

I know of 1 death from this compound, it occured when someone stole a 200mg bag, and snorted the whole thing.

he lived for 8 days before he died. Not too pleasant, but someone who snorts that much of an unknown compount is...........better off not amonst the rest of us. Especially when he heard the whole warning about "dont take more than 30mg total, no more than 15mg your first time..."

It happened in my area, and I know who he stole it from so I know a bit about it.



The hospital never figured out what did it, they thought it was something like an overbuild of seritonin and some other things in the brain.


And just for everyones FYI, if something does happen where u took too many, just get your hands on some clodapins (or however its spelled) and start drinking a shit ton of whole milk.
That should effectively lower seritonin levels enough to bring your trip down.

Also, for anyone who thinks they may have some perminant effects going on, try and get your hands on some choline(easy to find at a GNC or herbal store) and some nootropyl ( i prefer Piracetam) which is an RX. Taking about 300mg of the first and 700mg of the second over a 2-3 week period can effectively repair some of the damage done by repeated OD of most of these compounds.
This isnt a cure all, but I know for a fact that it helped a friend who OD on 5-MeO-Amt, who could no longer see some colors, and had minor visuals going on for weeks.
Before trying this I suggest you research it yourself, and I assume no responsibility for anything associated with this post.

[Mollyredmore]

I say start with like 15 mgs and if it is mild or you want more move up the ladder. I have found that anywhere from 15 to 30 mgs is without a doubt a safe dose in a healthy person

[Mollyredmore]

I know of 1 death from this compound, it occured when someone stole a 200mg bag, and snorted the whole thing.

he lived for 8 days before he died. Not too pleasant, but someone who snorts that much of an unknown compount is...........better off not amonst the rest of us. Especially when he heard the whole warning about "dont take more than 30mg total, no more than 15mg your first time..."

It happened in my area, and I know who he stole it from so I know a bit about it.



The hospital never figured out what did it, they thought it was something like an overbuild of seritonin and some other things in the brain.


And just for everyones FYI, if something does happen where u took too many, just get your hands on some clodapins (or however its spelled) and start drinking a shit ton of whole milk.
That should effectively lower seritonin levels enough to bring your trip down.

Also, for anyone who thinks they may have some perminant effects going on, try and get your hands on some choline(easy to find at a GNC or herbal store) and some nootropyl ( i prefer Piracetam) which is an RX. Taking about 300mg of the first and 700mg of the second over a 2-3 week period can effectively repair some of the damage done by repeated OD of most of these compounds.
This isnt a cure all, but I know for a fact that it helped a friend who OD on 5-MeO-Amt, who could no longer see some colors, and had minor visuals going on for weeks.
Before trying this I suggest you research it yourself, and I assume no responsibility for anything associated with this post.Listen just get your facts strait and read PIHKAL and TIHKAL before you start talking about permanent effects from these substances. In humans 2CI leaves no permanent effects and being as potent as 5Meo- AMT is I guess i believe that,but no amount of any chemical can cause permanent damage, unless it is a huge amount of a very toxic substance. Another thing is visuals are not toxic nor are they permanent effects. "Pyschedelic substances do not create the visuals they just allow you to access them".

[RoBoWaLkEr]

Listen just get your facts strait and read PIHKAL and TIHKAL before you start talking about permanent effects from these substances. In humans 2CI leaves no permanent effects and being as potent as 5Meo- AMT is I guess i believe that,but no amount of any chemical can cause permanent damage, unless it is a huge amount of a very toxic substance. Another thing is visuals are not toxic nor are they permanent effects. "Pyschedelic substances do not create the visuals they just allow you to access them".
I don't know if I completely agree with you there. First off, how can you say ANYTHING for certain about any research chemical? Little to nothing is known about the long term effects of these drugs. Not to mention the fact that there have been a lot of reports of people having health problems (can you say parkinson's?) after using these substances. I know of one person specifically on these forums (crackforkids) who will tell you that yes, indeed RC's CAN and WILL fuck you up, possibly even with moderate use. This person in particular has done a fair amount of RC's in, as far as i can tell, a relatively responsible manner (if such a thing exists with this shit) and needs to be on klonopin now for hand tremors. I myself have done phenethylamines about 12x and I can say I have noticed some hand tremors as well, that I'm pretty sure I didn't ever get before the PEA's. Also some increased HPPD. So, take that as you will, but I sure as hell wouldn't call any research chemical "safe". Granted, if you're smart about it you will probably be fine, but there is no guarantee.

[AceAzamean]

QUOTE=Mollyredmore]Listen just get your facts strait and read PIHKAL and TIHKAL before you start talking about permanent effects from these substances. In humans 2CI leaves no permanent effects and being as potent as 5Meo- AMT is I guess I believe that, but no amount of any chemical can cause permanent damage, unless it is a huge amount of a very toxic substance. Another thing is visuals are not toxic nor are they permanent effects. "Pyschedelic substances do not create the visuals they just allow you to access them".[/QUOTE]

So basicly, as I skim over your post talking about how wrong I am, I see only a few simple things that are correct, factual, or just plain right. I went ahead and unerlined and bolded them in the qoutes.


Maybe you should listen and get your facts straight. If you think that substances have no long-term effects you are full of SH*T. every single thing on earth has long-term effects, some take specific quantities.

EVERYTHING, has a long-term effect, even water, 100% H2O can cause cancer in people, that’s right, a few studies I've read show this. Now, the amount of water needed is about 10lb each day for 10+years... but then again, if you choose to consume that amount your asking for it. Everything, can cause some long term event, some things it may take allot at once, somethings allot over time, somethings just one use... but everything can cause a long term problem



I know first hand everything that is said in my post is FACT 100%, none of it is guess work unless I said it was 'my guess' and if you read something contrary to what is listed than that’s just dandy, you read an article, I have tested, read studies (many many more than just those two sources which happened to get some things wrong), and seen these things first hand, in person, and even experienced some things myself.



Also, just because someone created something doesn’t mean they know what the hell it does to everyone, or how it works. They probably have a better working knowledge, but that’s why its called 'research chemical' because they DONT KNOW FOR SURE.



As for your reference to 5-meo-amt, you stated "In humans 2CI leaves no permanent effects and being as potent as 5Meo- AMT is I guess I believe that" First, your whole reasoning behind the statement is this.

5-MeO-Amt is so potent that you can feel it at 2mg, so if it’s so strong it could never hurt you. Therefore 2-ci must be the same.

Those 2 chemicals have about 1 thing in common, there both chemicals. And that’s IT.

Also note that even small doses can F*ck people up. My first time I did 5-MeO-Amt was interesting, I did 3mg. The 2nd time I ingested about 5mg, and my hand (only my right) had tremors for 4 days straight, it didn’t stop and it didn’t slow down. Now, when I tried this, the only other drugs that I had ever tried up to that point was weed, and HBWR seeds. And I only ate the seeds 2 times ever, no more than 3 seeds, so those had nothing to do with it.



As for the "Pyschedelic substances do not create the visuals they just allow you to access them" I've never head something so ridicules in my life. The fact that a chemical allowed you to do something means that it had an intoxicating effect. The chemical went in, and did something (unbalanced other chemicals in the brain, or directly stimulated parts of the nervous system), if it entered the body and does anything to de-regulate the way the body works, it means it is an intoxicant. BUT, that doesn’t always mean it’s a bad one.

As for the part about visuals not being toxic, that’s correct. Seeing things in no way is toxic (though some would argue it can poison your mind to watch bad things....blah blah) BUT, the visuals are cause by a form of intoxication. If you need proof just think about it. If I eat mushrooms I see wonderful things, but a few hours later they are all gone, why? Because all of that chemical in them, the toxin, was metabolized by the system, it was all used up and there isn’t enough left to make you see things anymore.



The part about visuals not being permanent is also false. If you take too much of something, there’s a good chance, you can stay in a similar state for a very long time. My example is the person who eats about 8grams of shrooms his first time trying them, he was lucky he didn’t die, but he was unlucky that he stayed in that state, and lives in a ward. The effects are very slowly returning to normal, and SOME of the effects of the shrooms wore off right when they were supposed to, but some stayed with him, like the visuals and intense paranoia. That was 4 years ago.

Also the fact that I have several Pharm-D friends who are spread among various fields (one happens to be involved in drug research, that’s street drugs, for the gov.) so why I may not know some of the working knowledge, they do, and you cant argue with independent unbiased research like that.

[cjmpun]

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"My example is the person who eats about 8grams of shrooms his first time trying them, he was lucky he didn’t die, but he was unlucky that he stayed in that state, and lives in a ward."


good post im enjoying reading all this, but im confused about this in particular,where they poisonos ones? i remember i ate about 10-15grams my 1st time and it was great, i felt so good and couldnt stop laughing.and how do you stay in that state you mention, plz tell id love to know :P.

[AceAzamean]

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"My example is the person who eats about 8grams of shrooms his first time trying them, he was lucky he didn’t die, but he was unlucky that he stayed in that state, and lives in a ward."


good post im enjoying reading all this, but im confused about this in particular,where they poisonos ones? i remember i ate about 10-15grams my 1st time and it was great, i felt so good and couldnt stop laughing.and how do you stay in that state you mention, plz tell id love to know :P.

typo.
18*

they werent poisenous I know many who ate from the batch they were just super good. 2g of these were better than an 8th of everthing else I'd seen. he also wasnt a smart one, and didnt listen to any warning.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

I still don't see how he could have nearly died though. I've never heard of anyone even coming close to OD'ing from psilocybe mushrooms. Even the 4 years of paranoia/hppd is questionable...maybe it just triggered some kind of underlying psychosis.

[AceAzamean]

I still don't see how he could have nearly died though. I've never heard of anyone even coming close to OD'ing from psilocybe mushrooms. Even the 4 years of paranoia/hppd is questionable...maybe it just triggered some kind of underlying psychosis.
that could be true, but theres no family history, but still could be true.

But if tripping can bring someone close to mentally unstable to a point, then it can bring a normal state too, and when your taking about as much of the chemical as we're talking bout, it could do that on the first time easily.

[AceAzamean]

I still don't see how he could have nearly died though. I've never heard of anyone even coming close to OD'ing from psilocybe mushrooms. Even the 4 years of paranoia/hppd is questionable...maybe it just triggered some kind of underlying psychosis.
And, like nobody knows if he would have died for sure. But that much his first time, I mean everything can kill you and I never seen or heard of anyone eating that much ever.

and the fact that it had those long lasting effects, means something was going very wrong.