some datura questions.

[bekyboo52]

k, before anybody mentions it yes i do intend to look at erowid.
now i have a "yellow ballerina" (store name) datura plant growing in my yard. i wanted to ask you all how i could safly use it and explore its effects. note that my reasearch of this plant will most likely be cast across the internet and library. but i do like experianced people to tell me what they know. i've heard many good and badthings about datura, and a main concern of mine is hospitalization of death. if possible i would like to find some information on the type of trip, if a "sitter" is neccesary. however vany knowlege is welcome :) thank you all and i look forward to reading your comments. :)

[CherokeeMist]

the best advidce i've ever seen given about datura was pretty simple: don't even worry about it. pretend it doesn't exist.

its use as a ritual plant for shamans/natives is one thing, but honestly outside of that context (lifestyle even) datura shouldn't even be considered as something to ingest.

[bekyboo52]

well, thank you for your advice. however i do intend to use it either way i just want to find a sefe way to do so. sorry, i don't mean to be offensive by ignoring your intellectual warning. however if you would have anymore to say i will listen, but not neccesarily follow.

[CherokeeMist]

right well most of the reports online about poisoning and hospitalization occur because people grab about 10 flowers and chew them all at once.

don't use any more than one full flower (even half a flower to start). have your trip sitter look up and familiarize themselves with all possible signs that you are psychically in trouble so that they can make good decisions. of course make it someone you trust/who would understand you becoming absolutely out of your mind.

if you insist on doing it, always remember that it's possible to take more later/on a different day and to treat this plant with complete respect and understanding that, as soon as it takes hold, you WILL belong to it.

good luck, when are you planning on doing it?

[bekyboo52]

thank you for all that, i dont really have a planned date. most likely when i fully reasearch the plant. from what i've already read a sitter seemed somewhat obvious. however it may be hard to tell if im completely out of my mind because half the time i act like a loonatic any way ;) haha. and i already respect the plant without having tried it yet so their are no worries their. but all in all thanks for that last comment. :D

[BillyX]

My advice is get some less dangerous drugs.
Do you have any experience with the use of psychedelics or deliriants, as datura is a fairly heavy trip. I guess im wasting my breath trying to talk you out of it so ill just say if you do intend to do datura start with a small amount, have a sitter, dont leave the house, dont redose quickly if you dont feel the effects & just be careful. Also try to do it when you have atleast a few days to recover as your vision will most likely be screwed for days, sometimes weeks.

Well good luck you have a lot more guts than most wanting to try this plant, also let us know when you do go through with this and write a trip report :P

[bekyboo52]

well, i have no experiance with deleriants but i do use mushrooms quite often. thank you for telling me that my eyes will be messed, wouldnt that be a lovely surprise! and sure ill write a report... i love homework on my summer vacation...haha lol im kidding,
oh and i have a question for whoever wants to answer it ; does it matter if the flowers are dried or not? i'm assuming that there is a differance but how big a differance is unknown to me.

[bekyboo52]

Do you have any experience with the use of psychedelics or deliriants?

lol the closest thing to a deleriant to me was staying awake for 5 days......that is just nuts

[CherokeeMist]

when my friend made datura tea, he boiled about 10 flowers in a huge pot of water. just pick the flowers (they come out very easily) and as soon as you get the chance just remove the seed pods and toss em in pot of lightly boiling water and stir it occasionally. so yes they can be fresh. look online for info about how long to cook them, i believe did it for around 15 minutes. you can also just eat an entire flower straight off the plant but somehow that seems crude. again fresh works just fine.

my friend drank one flowers worth of tea and fell asleep beacuse he was "very tired" and couldn't stay awake/couldn't see straight. i now know that hallucinogenic effects start after this period so you should try hard to not go to sleep even if you feel very tired.

[sw0o0sh]

From what I hear the best way to go about it if you are seriously inclined in trying it is to simply eat the seeds. Start with 10-20 and work your way up, and see how you feel as you go along. (Though the effects don't start immediately so don't go eating more and more if you're not feeling "it" right away.)

The thing with Datura is that there is no guaranteed amount of hallucinogenic chemical per volume of plant/seed material, hence "Pile A" containing 10 seeds may end up being 20x stronger than another pile of 10 seeds. This can be risky in the sense that there is a fine line between how much of the chemical is needed to trip and how much of the chemical is needed to overdose and die.

Also it is said that dried flower material can be smoked for a more pleasant and less lengthy / reality disconnecting trip.

I would definitely advise a trip sitter, somebody who is willing to actually keep an eye on you for the duration of your trip (24-72 hours), as people more often than not end up wondering off outside their homes and do stupid shit like walking into traffic or running around naked.

Good luck!

Here's a quote from Erowid.


I started using datura last summer. I started out eating small amounts of seeds (10, then 20, then 30 and so on), I later learned this is a good idea because you can't tell the potency of random datura just by looking/smelling/tasting it and because its impossible to predict an individual's tolerance. Around 50 seeds I started getting sick, so I knew I was getting in the ball park. I boiled 100 seeds for 15 minutes, then drank all the juice and ate most of the seeds (this stuff tastes horrible. Its hard to eat alot of it, my body has some sort of super aversion). This caused me to trip for about 18 hours, with maybe 30 hours of noticable mental after-affects. The trip was just a basic datura trip similar to the other trips listed on erowid, I experienced telepathy too.

After that I started smoking the seeds and leaves alot. The seeds generally produce a undescribeable feeling of wierdness and a perceptual emphasis on vision. For the greatest effect, you have to hold the lighter over the seeds and take big deep hits till you feel your throat start to burn from something other than the smoke. The feeling I got from the seeds was never really enjoyable so after a dozen times I stopped.

I started smoking the leaves thinking they were less potent. I smoked about 2 grams a week for 3 months. What I noticed is a pretty sharp increase in effects with each sucsessive time I smoked. The initial effects were general feelings of wierdness, gravitational pulls coming from stuff, visual distortion, datura stoned (being datura stoned feels like you're both very stoned and dreaming, this is a trance state). Now the whenever I smoke it the gravitational pull becomes almost overwhelming, causing me to lie down, I feel feelings of fire/energy/electricity in random parts of my body or all over my body (this is not uncomfortable, nor is is pleseant, its just unusual).

Music is overwhelmingly powerful for me while datura stoned, many times more than while on acid. The last two times I smoked I looked at the sky for what felt like 30 seconds and was interrupted by my friend poking me asking if i was still alive because I hadn't moved in over 15 minutes. also, its power is greatly increased (2-3x) if used in conjunction with high quality marijuana.

I took the seeds a couple more times too. On about 100 seeds I experienced what could be called threshhold delirum. I couldn't remember anything that just happened and I kept slipping in and out of sleep/dreams. Basically I had no concept of what was real and what was a dream. This lasted for maybe 6 hours.

On about 600 seeds I experianced a ton of audio/visual/tactile hallucinations for 4 days. I also felt very sick afterwards for a day, and was just generally bizzare for 2 days (slow moving, small attention span).


(http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=11630)

[does2]

Around 6th grade my friends thought it'd be cool to make some tea.

Two days later one of them was in jail and the other was MIA. When he came back he had no pants.

So, if you plan on getting pant-less in the desert with Datura, by all means take a camera.

[PeaceAndRasta]

u need an experienced shaman that will sing to u icaros songs, that can rare off the hallucinations and effects.
and u will so regret touchin datura i tell u ..

[mastercylinder]

took it once---made tea from the leaves--i had a trip i was driving in a car doing about 200mph---the street lamps were flying by--even though i was laying down it was really real but i think i poisened myself cas i had to keep puking and drinking water so i had something more to puke----but friends were seeing things and talking to people who werent there--dangerous shit---but its part of my resume and im glad i tried it--wish i had a teacher to teach me the correct way to use it though------

[sw0o0sh]

u need an experienced shaman that will sing to u icaros songs, that can rare off the hallucinations and effects.
and u will so regret touchin datura i tell u ..

I don't know. I smoked it plenty of times and it added quite a dreamy feel to my high (smoked with Marijuana). Some people have positive experiences doing the full blown tea-brew experience, you just need to go into it with deep respect for the drug, high caution, and not to mention a trip sitter. You see kids who hear about it and think "pMg free Tripping" and then they're the ones who end up in the Hospital or running around in traffic ass Naked.

Just needs to be approached in a serious manner.
I'd say smoking it is well worth it though if OP is 50/50 about taking the full ride with tea.

[neodude1212]

lol oh how you will regret this....

[sw0o0sh]

lol oh how you will regret this....

lol have u ever smoked it or ate it?

[neodude1212]

lol have u ever smoked it or ate it?

fuck no, I value my life and sanity

[sw0o0sh]

fuck no, I value my life and sanity

Lame

[neodude1212]

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=315835&highlight=datura&f=116

[sw0o0sh]

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=315835&highlight=datura&f=116

Haha I read that one. He didn't end up so lucky lol. He seems quite incoherent now
I personally would never eat that shit. But smoking it is a whole different ball game

[neodude1212]

is she talking about eating it or smoking it?
hey swoosh, can you imagine tripping datura with felix?

[Archemetis]

i cant help but feel a bit queezy when i read threads like this.

[sw0o0sh]

is she talking about eating it or smoking it?
hey swoosh, can you imagine tripping datura with felix?

She wants to eat it. I gave her pretty much everything she needs to know to make it somewhat a safe experience. But Idk how anybody would wanna go through with eating that, not to mention you can end up near blind with all sorts of issues like that other guy you posted lol. Smoking it's the way to go, which is why I recommend it, really enhances the buzz, adds something mysterious to it i'd say, only lasts about 3-4 hours, and may offer some minor hallucinations. One guy on erowid claimed he seen birds flying in and out of his window, seems pleasant lol.

Lmao. I could if i tried, but i don't wanna. Kid would easily be ranting and raving off that shit
:S

[bekyboo52]

i actually dont know weather i am smoking or eating it,so far smoking has seemed the safest way to go. especialy if my parent wants me back early for somthing unforseen.... im going to be sleeping over at my friends house for a few days and he'd said he'd be a sitter. those of you who say i may regret this could possibly be right but most likely i won't... because if i don't do it it is that which i will regret. thanks for hat erowid quote, i found outy my mum put a blocker on the p.c that doesnt show anything related to drugs sex or violence.... respect for the plant and high caution are really not something i have to be reminded of. i bore that into my head when i decided on thi9s crazy adventure. :) i regard thius plant as not really a recreational drug but more as a drug of understanding.... something special. and regardless of weather this makes me feel like shit or not i most likely will try it again..... until i see its weet side.... but not soon after the first time though.

[neodude1212]

eat it
if you want to experience datura
then eat it
then we'll see...

[klondike_bar]

I would never reccomend datura for "tripping". its not tripping, its insanity/delerium.

that said, i DO consume about 5 seeds once a week just before bed, in order to often make my dreams more vivid and increase the chance of entering a lucid dream.

[bekyboo52]

^ i just ssaid im not using it recreationaly for tripping........ but thank you all the same

[bekyboo52]

eat it
if you want to experience datura
then eat it
then we'll see...

this coming from somebody whose never done datura......

[neodude1212]

this coming from somebody whose never done datura......

I've never physically eaten datura, but I have the experience of the effects all the same.
Pure insanity.
You aren't going to get anything beneficial from this, that is assuming you are actually going to eat the plant like you should if you really want to experience it.
But trust me. Your defensive attitude won't serve you well. This plant is going to completely destroy you, and you'll be in hell, and you will in all likelihood never be the same and never fully leave that hell.
Curiosity killed the cat. That should be the slogan for datura. We are talking one of the most deceptive and malevolent spirits around, and you actually WANT to invite her into your being LOL.
Good luck though, hope you learn something. :)

[bekyboo52]

I've never physically eaten datura, but I have the experience of the effects all the same.
Pure insanity.
You aren't going to get anything beneficial from this, that is assuming you are actually going to eat the plant like you should if you really want to experience it.
But trust me. Your defensive attitude won't serve you well. This plant is going to completely destroy you, and you'll be in hell, and you will in all likelihood never be the same and never fully leave that hell.
Curiosity killed the cat. That should be the slogan for datura. We are talking one of the most deceptive and malevolent spirits around, and you actually WANT to invite her into your being LOL.
Good luck though, hope you learn something. :)

i apoligize if i came off as defensive. however you did mention befor that you have not tried it. i will take your opinion to mind but it will be mixed in with all the oter opinions as well, i want to try smoking it at first to get a small 'taste' of the effects, so that i may be prepared for the (from what iv'e heard) more intense effects of eating. but i thank you nonethelessd for your cautious input. and i kindly ask that you please refrain from laughing at me.

[PurpByThePound]

someone bookmark this thread for whenever she comes back saying how she sees miniature octopuses swarming sidewalks

[neodude1212]

BTW - just noticed you are 16.
OK. I know other people have tried to discourage you from doing it and you sounded more or less committed to trying it. At first I wasn't going to flat out say don't do it because people are free to do whatever they please, but now that I notice you are 16, I feel obligated to really speak out.
I don't want to come off as preachy, because in the grand scheme of things I am not even that much older than you, but at 16 most people don't even have a fully developed sense of personality yet. You are trying to become an adult, and without sounding corny or old-fashioned, it really is a transformation and a difficult one at that.
I think that at such a tender age, the mind is busy trying to integrate everything through a massive shift in perspective that will completely change who you are, and to have an experience such as datura while all this is going on would be even more detrimental than I thought.
I strongly encourage you to re-evaluate your decision and motivations for wanting to do this.

[sw0o0sh]

i don't think all these negative replies are gonna help her out at all lol. Take into consideration how inclined she is to do it already. Might aswell stay positive.

There really is some potential for some benefits, but those are the people who have a strong will, respect for the drug, and the right mindset. Sayin all that kinda shit won't really aid her in accumulating those three things for the trip.

Considering she takes it lightly, doesn't go in with a balls to a wall dose, and has a trip sitter, there isn't much room for anything going wrong. Yeah there might be a temporary rough end during the experience, but most psychedelic experiences of any kind contain that.

GL

edit - yeah. 16 years old though. Questionable intentions and motives. Datura really is something very powerful. Not to be taken lightly at all. Hope u got the right attitude for this substance

[PurpByThePound]

i don't think all these negative replies are gonna help her out at all lol. Take into consideration how inclined she is to do it already. Might aswell stay positive.



no shit...it isnt gonna get the point across either - from what i hear though, datura is a very negative "trip" so maybe once she experiences it, it wont even matter.

i seriously dont understand the appeal of any substance many many MANY people have referred to it as a DEMON and EVIL plant. and from the one link to the dude that did it - he even said "ive tried lsa lsd mdma meth crack weed speed slavia heroine and many many other crazy fucking drugs"...so...you make your decision OP, I guess


OP you say you dont want to regret not taking it, but you may take it and regret that you ever did...

[sw0o0sh]

no shit...it isnt gonna get the point across either - from what i hear though, datura is a very negative "trip" so maybe once she experiences it, it wont even matter.

i seriously dont understand the appeal of any substance many many MANY people have referred to it as a DEMON and EVIL plant.

curiosity bro. I once was 16-17 and inclined to try the shit. But those kinda experiences and all the shit I read was enough to make me never go past simply smoking it.

there are chances of something beautiful for a trip but most of the stories on erowid seem to consist of people saying, "well at least i had the CHANCE to learn the hard way".

[CherokeeMist]

beky, out of curiosity, why do you want to try datura?

[FreshDacre]

Datura is for savage mothafuckas only.

[bekyboo52]

i want to try it to gain an understanding of the good and bad side of everything. datura is a plant that a lot of people have conflicting ideas on and that in itself makes it interesting to me. also, some of the stories i've read on the internet about datura put an air of mysticism around the subject and that is also enticing. i also want to gain an experiance of delieriants because i want to know everything. so my main reason for this is i am on a quest of knowledge, perhaps i can learn from this and perhaps not. either way i don't think i'll regret doing it. even though i may be 16, i really just don't think it matters. and thanks to thg people who had helpful information :)

[bekyboo52]

o, and i think i may either make a tea or smoke it..... all i know is that im gonna stay away from eating it for now.

[CherokeeMist]

it is certainly one of the most, if not THE most interesting plants i have heard about.

when my friend was brewing up some tea last summer, i would swear that the air became heavy and there was a definite "presence" which was very tempting. consistent with a lot of reports it was definitely feminine...

next time i brew morning glory tea, i may add about 1/10th or less of a flower of datura. then again i may not.

may i ask when you're planning on doing this?

[bekyboo52]

probably when the plant has a fuly bloomed flower, theyre al just about to open too..... its realy not a very big plant, so im not taking the leaves, it needs those to grow. :)

[IpsissimusFaustus]

As most people said, this is a stupendously bad idea. No matter how experienced you are with drugs, datura is not something to fuck with. As far as understanding or enlightenment is concerned, datura is also not the kind of plant for that. Most people barely even remember the experience much less learn anything from (aside from what schizophrenia is like). If you want epiphanies, then drink ayahuasca.

[shermin]

just eat a fuckload of of bennadryl [or other dph product] for a similar, but SAFER experience.

datura is really dangerous

[FreshDacre]

As most people said, this is a stupendously bad idea. No matter how experienced you are with drugs, datura is not something to fuck with. As far as understanding or enlightenment is concerned, datura is also not the kind of plant for that. Most people barely even remember the experience much less learn anything from (aside from what schizophrenia is like). If you want epiphanies, then drink ayahuasca.
Some people make ayuhuasca out of datura. Thats the original way to do it.

[IpsissimusFaustus]

Some people make ayuhuasca out of datura. Thats the original way to do it.

You don't make ayahuasca out of datura; the word "ayahuasca" refers to the caapi vine, any other admixtures (including DMT-containing plants) are generally considered secondary if indeed necessary at all. That being said, it is fairly common for indigenous shamans to toss a brugmansia leaf or two in their brews, but that is only for very experienced workers.

[SunshineChild]

I know of a guy who went missing after he took datura. Still haven't found him.

I've never experienced datura, but I've experienced schizophrenia. They sound pretty similar from what I've read and, from my experiences with schizo, definetely not something you want to purposely induce. If you're for learning, then maybe you'll gain something out of it, IDK. But, from what I've gotten out of insanity is like the opposite of learning. More like de-learning everything and becoming unattached from yourself and becoming some sort of mindless zombie. I'd stick with shrooms, they'll teach you more and safer.

Don't consider my opinion valid cause I've never experienced datura, I don't care, but like I said I know of a guy who went completely missing on the shit 2 years ago. He had 2 people at his house with him and knew he was tripping but weren't really paying that much attention to him I guess.

[BillyX]

I know of a guy who went missing after he took datura. Still haven't found him.

I've never experienced datura, but I've experienced schizophrenia. They sound pretty similar from what I've read and, from my experiences with schizo, definetely not something you want to purposely induce. If you're for learning, then maybe you'll gain something out of it, IDK. But, from what I've gotten out of insanity is like the opposite of learning. More like de-learning everything and becoming unattached from yourself and becoming some sort of mindless zombie. I'd stick with shrooms, they'll teach you more and safer.

Don't consider my opinion valid cause I've never experienced datura, I don't care, but like I said I know of a guy who went completely missing on the shit 2 years ago. He had 2 people at his house with him and knew he was tripping but weren't really paying that much attention to him I guess.

Maybe he broke through to the next dimension! Sorry i shouldn't joke about that but i just couldn't help my self. Yeh i dont think their is much to be learnt from datura, if people want a taste of what a deliriant is like they are better of trying out some Diphenhydramine & seeing how enjoyable that is, atleast its much safer than datura.
I remember being young and interested in wanting to take datura nobody could have stopped me from trying it back then no matter how good the advice was, thankfully i never got around to trying it. I look back on that and im greatful as i cant imagine it would have been very good, maybe one day in the future ill try it i still have a slight interest in it but i value my sanity too much at the moment.

[LSD_Coated_Brain]

I would say, don't do it. I was kind of like you when I was sixteen, that is I felt if I didn't do a drug, I would regret it, so I did allot of drugs. I really wanted to try dartura, and I almost did (my friend found one going) but I ended up getting sent to inpatient rehab and was never able to. I also wanted to try pcp, but for some reason, the one guy in the school who could get me some, for some reason suddendly dicided I was a narc. Serioulsy, I would have been one completely fucking commited narc... seriusly, the other day I found my high school ID, and I was like, "Holy shit, I looked like such a fucking stoner" I mean, my eyes are even red in it.... I believe I have forgotten the original point to this reply. Ahh yes, so some advice would be, instead of smoking dartura, just rent a bunch of cool/funny movies, buy like an ounce of pot, go to your friends house and just smoke for two days straight.

[SunshineChild]

I never knew the guy who went missing myself, besides seeing him maybe once or twice. But I know one of his trip sitters really well and he is not the brightest light in the house, so it was a recipe for disaster from the start.

[Idl4587]

If the op wants to try datura or any other deliriant let her fucking try it. It's not like we're the ones who might od, have a bad trip, end up in the hospital or a jail cell, or whatever.

[BlahfOo!]

i've dabbled in pharmaceutical delirients. From my experience with this family of drugs it is worth trying but you won't have fun. All the times i did dph, thps etc. the whole trip consisted of me trying to keep my head above water and not do anything stupid. I also never had any sitters except some random friends who came and went during the experience, most hallucinations thats probably why. But you'll probably feel really distant and like you can't talk or anything, and when you do it will be nothing but gibberish and scattered metaphores. Its true insanity. You can be in your living room and forget where you are and think your in the subway downtown throwing change to a beggar. I also had trips where ufo's landed in my yard and strange martians came to possess my soul. It's mind melting freaky shit. Also if you're like me be prepared for an extremely dry mouth to the point where you can barely swallow and feel like you going to die of suffocation, drinking water doesnt even help ime. So the negative physical effects compounded by the true hallucinations you experience will throw you in a corner and leave you there to either stick it out or die a terrible insanity ridden death. Good luck :3

[BlahfOo!]

Oh ya one of my friends who tried the actual datura thing rather then the pharmaceutical agents was having alot better time then me it seems. He was laying bare ass in his bed fucking his satin sheets think it was an old girlfriend of his but noone was there lol

So i guess you may or may not find some merit in this plant, again best of luck hope you can make it through the experience. And those centipedes that will be crawling around your floor by the millions don't really exist lol

[myherbischrispy]

i just took about four big hits of datura and feel a bit wierd(i smoked the leaves by the way)
but i heard that you cant get high by smoking it
i can tell its here though
and i want to hit it some more
you thinki should?

[FreshDacre]

i just took about four big hits of datura and feel a bit wierd(i smoked the leaves by the way)
but i heard that you cant get high by smoking it
i can tell its here though
and i want to hit it some more
you thinki should?
I have heard that doing that does get you high, Its alot safer and the high is nothing compared to ingesting it. Sure smoke more i might try that sometime i dunno.

[neodude1212]

Smoking datura is somewhat of a waste.
It's way more effective when you make tea.

[CherokeeMist]

smoked datura does work, but yeah if you're going for strength the tea is the way to go.

really though i think everyone would be better off if people just left this plant alone. it smells nice, we should just leave it at that. no need to fuck around with evil spirits and permanent insanity.

[FreshDacre]

Smoking datura is somewhat of a waste.
It's way more effective when you make tea.
Like i said, smoking it is safer. I never want to try the tea from what iv'e heard, but smoking it doesn't seem too bad. I have also heard that if you put datura under your pillow you get wicked lucid dreams.

[myherbischrispy]

What? You put it under your pillow?
Kinda sounds like a myth to me. And last night after I smoked it I felt weird like a dxm high or something

[FreshDacre]

Yeah it has been known that people feel different just by being around the plant or by smelling it since it has such a powerful aroma.

[Mr.Writer]

http://beinart.org/artists/baris-gurbuz-1/gallery/baris-gurbuz-1.jpg

"Datura" by Baris Gurbuz.

[CherokeeMist]

writer man where do you get all these cool pictures?

[MrDot]

I wonder, how did this play out?

[Omacatl]

smoked datura does work, but yeah if you're going for strength the tea is the way to go.

really though i think everyone would be better off if people just left this plant alone. it smells nice, we should just leave it at that. no need to fuck around with evil spirits and permanent insanity.

this^


i don't think the spirit of this plant is evil it's just from a very very dark place. a darkness so utterly vast and so complete that it's beautiful.

the legend of it's creation goes something like this:

"When the world was young there lived in the dark underworld a boy and girl. They searched for the light and found a path to the world above. They emerged with lovely wreathes of white flowers upon their heads, this was the first Datura. This plant they gave to mankind. It made them sleep and have powerful dreams, it let them see spirits. When the gods saw this they became worried that man was not yet ready for such visions. They sent the boy and girl back to the world of darkness. But at the place where they descended they left the white flower wreathes. These began to grow in the high desert where men could find them again when they were ready to use its power . Some say that where the Datura grows there is an entrance to the underworld."



http://www.saguaro-juniper.com/i_and_i/flowers/datura/kay_datura_man.jpg

this is a clay bowl found at a site where there were hundreds of people living, and worshipping in this datura cult. they were a very fierce and warlike people and the Gods they worshipped were of blood and destruction.
the datura-mans body is stylized like the spiky seed pods. his face looks...eh...not pleasant.

http://realneo.us/system/files/ShamanFremontWarrior.jpg

another rock art image with a datura motif. note the spiky datura seed pod-like object the shaman is holding. lots of horned spirits, spirits with antennae surround him.

[CherokeeMist]

that's really cool stuff man, thanks for posting that.

datura is so haunting. i posted a while back about how, even with the tea brewing (i never drank it, my friend did but thankfully nothing happened) i swear that there was a really heavy, mystical presence in the room. it was very inviting.

it's absolutely fascinating stuff, really.

[myherbischrispy]

This stuff is calling my name
I want to expeirience it's full affects
it's a very interesting drug

[MrDot]

This stuff is calling my name
I want to expeirience it's full affects
it's a very interesting drug

Try abusing Benedryl or Dramamine first before you decide to move onto this, I'm sure the effects are quite similar.

[myherbischrispy]

Try abusing Benedryl or Dramamine first before you decide to move onto this, I'm sure the effects are quite similar.

Yeah I have done both
I see how you can think they are similer
hells bells and nightmare pills

[MrDot]

Yeah I have done both
I see how you can think they are similer
hells bells and nightmare pills

Honestly, I think you're crazy to want to even think of persuing such a drug experience, although to some people 'crazy' might be a compliment. good luck

[CherokeeMist]

This stuff is calling my name
I want to expeirience it's full affects
it's a very interesting drug

i don't disagree, it's one of the most interesting things i've ever come across.

but you really want to risk that? there's a good chance you'll never be the same.

[myherbischrispy]

In what ways?

[CherokeeMist]

this thread comes to mind: http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=315835&highlight=datura&f=116

that's not the only time i've heard someone say they haven't felt the same since.

obviously that might not be the case.

but you're venturing into very powerful territory. it's not a light decision by any means.

[FreshDacre]

that's really cool stuff man, thanks for posting that.

datura is so haunting. i posted a while back about how, even with the tea brewing (i never drank it, my friend did but thankfully nothing happened) i swear that there was a really heavy, mystical presence in the room. it was very inviting.

it's absolutely fascinating stuff, really.
Yeah i have always been fascinated and i have read all the reports they're amazing.

[FreshDacre]

Try abusing Benedryl or Dramamine first before you decide to move onto this, I'm sure the effects are quite similar.
This.
Its safer since you can measure the dosage but on datura plants it takes only one seed to od and die on when a plant right next to it could take up to 100 seeds.

[Omacatl]

In what ways?

for starters it can kill you. and not just in one way.

ask yourself... do you really understand the implication of the words 'toxic delerient'?

i don't really think this is a trip worth dying for. especially considering what reality you might get stuck in before you leave this world.

what disturbs me the most and what ultimately will keep me from trying a full dose of datura, is the fact that the experience is seamless. no colors, no ego death. there is no point of reference from where this reality ends and the datura delerium begins. it's like a waking dream. fully immersed in that plant's world. if you play with it, nothing good can result. this is serious shit.

[myherbischrispy]

Yeah I've smoke alot of it from seeds to leaves to flowers it's just a wierd high I want to try it to it's full extent but yeah I don't want to die

[myherbischrispy]

Ok nut is benadril and dramamin are just like it can't you get stuck in one of thosse realities?

[Omacatl]

This.
Its safer since you can measure the dosage but on datura plants it takes only one seed to od and die

one seed probably wont kill you. i eat two or three seeds to combat nausea from mescaline. it's great in homeopathic doses of around the same 1-5 seeds. gives great lucid dreams. anymore than that i would not fuck with.

[myherbischrispy]

Yeah but what about my second question if benadryl and Dramamine are just like it shy can't you get stuck in those realities?

[Omacatl]

Yeah but what about my second question if benadryl and Dramamine are just like it shy can't you get stuck in those realities?

people don't report the same permanent effects with benadryl dramamamine trips, like they do datura. i wouldn't try to trip off of any of them. not worth it IMO.

[myherbischrispy]

I've done it before(benadryl) numerous times they are nightmare pills the high sound almost the same

[FreshDacre]

Yeah datura is like the same thing except crazier and more toxic.

[FreshDacre]

one seed probably wont kill you. i eat two or three seeds to combat nausea from mescaline. it's great in homeopathic doses of around the same 1-5 seeds. gives great lucid dreams. anymore than that i would not fuck with.
Thats not the point, i'm saying that some plants might have seeds that are potent enough to die from 1 seed. It might be rare but thats why it's risky is that its impossible to know.

[myherbischrispy]

Does anyone know if benadryl cam fuck your mind permanetly?

[MrDot]

Does anyone know if benadryl cam fuck your mind permanetly?

Eh, if you're using it for extended periods of time then I'm sure it will leave some nasty side effects long term, but 1 or 2 times using this it shouldn't have any permanent side effects.

[FreshDacre]

Yeah i have heard that its like as bad as sniffing glue, not too suprising considering what it does. Ask TopNotchStoner hes a benadryl master i think he did like 1000 mg.

[myherbischrispy]

Were do I find this stoner?

[neodude1212]

http://beinart.org/artists/baris-gurbuz-1/gallery/baris-gurbuz-1.jpg

"Datura" by Baris Gurbuz.

noice!
For some reason, this plant is just so magnetic to me.
Maybe it has something to do with my personality, but I can't seem to resist the ever growing urge to actually make some tea and go insane for three days

[myherbischrispy]

Neodude you are the asshole that was saying how dumb I am and making sound like a complete fool yet you are in a forum about it?
What a dick.
Seriously you just had to be cool for the only four online friends you have hahaha
had to get your five mins of fame hahaha
asshole.

[Mr.Writer]

yeah the masochist in me wants to try it too :P

[Omacatl]

For some reason, this plant is just so magnetic to me.
Maybe it has something to do with my personality, but I can't seem to resist the ever growing urge to actually make some tea and go insane for three days

dangerously enough, I'm right there with you buddy.
the fact that it grows across the street from me in thick rows of bushes doesn't help.

[CherokeeMist]

that's the nature of her, i think.

very tempting.

[Omacatl]

I was able to handle myself well under full datura disorentation, I knew how to handle walking, i knew who was real and who wasnt. At one point though I was taking a stronger dose then I usualy did, and i was talking to this man (he wasnt real, I just knew it) and i had figured out that I could stick my hands though anyone who wasnt real, and this man put down the pipe that he was smoking on my bed stand and said to me so you know that i am not real? and i turned to him and nodded, then he reached over and stuck his hand right through me. this completly destroyed all sense i had of reality at that point and i spent the next two days sure of that fact that i was the only not real person out there.


^^ this lol.

[neodude1212]

yeah the masochist in me wants to try it too :P

you really wanna go down this road with me?

[PurpByThePound]

so does anyone know if the OP lived?

[mastercylinder]

definatly need a shaman or teacher and a dose thats proper not too much---its a deadly poisen with magic properties if done professionaly--so of course i was too young too inexperienced and besides the trip i almost went blind behind the shit--too dangerous to play with but might be necessary to increase your practical magic powers

[Mr.Writer]

you really wanna go down this road with me?

Not anytime soon TBH. My brain still needs recovery from the tryptamine barrage I have leveled at it this year. But maybe in the summer I will sample the big D.