Fentanyl patch questions...

[Morphoxycode1]

I've managed to acquire a 25mcg/72hr patch...and my question is what's the best way to take these? I don't want to get sick or o/d, but want to experience it. I'm well experienced with opiates and know a good deal about pharmacology. My tolerance is in the range of being able to take about 40 to 60mg of oxy and get a good nod when mixed with about 10mg valium. I think Oxyrisin mentioned these patches are the shiznit and couldn't resist the chance to try one! Let me know what's up. :cool:

[SpENS93]

put it on

[Miasma]

If you go back about a month there's a fairly large post on this.

Read this-
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=331747&f=120

[Verisimilitude]

good answer Spens.

to the OP: the patch you have is the minimum strength they make, but still, 25mcg/hr over 72hrs is still quite strong for someone who doesn't have an opiate tolerance. fortunately, thats not you. I looked up the dose conversion and my chart says 25mcg patches are equal to 90mg of oral morphine since that should be roughly equal to 60mg of OC, you should be good as far as ODing. However, that probably isn't enough for you to just put it on and get high. Try wearing one of the patches at a time at first, and if you don't feel anything, you could try adding another. the only issue is that once you administer a patch and it begins to release the drugs into your system, you cannot really manage how much you get and when, it releases over time, and many users claim it takes hours, sometimes an entire day for the levels of the drug in their bloodstream to reach therapeutic (or recreational) levels.

If you really want to get fucked up, you can cut open the patch and eat the gel.

**WARNING**
if you do open up the patch and eat the gel, be aware that you are playing with fire. The gel is extremely, EXTREMELY potent containing 1800mcg of the drug. It is very hard to figure out how much gel equals how much of the drug, and the drug is sometimes not distributed evenly throughout the gel. It isn't like crushing up an OC 40 and being able to cut the powder into two even piles and say, ok, this side is 20mg and this side is 20mg. Because the gel contains 1800mcg its hard to make sure you are being safe.

So, moral of the story, whatever you do be careful, because if you don't you can OD VERY easily.

Fentanyl patches are dosed not in milligrams but in MICROgrams. That is because it is ounce of ounce the most potent opiate on the market in the USA. It is possible to use these patches responsibly, even as a recreational user, but it means you have to be careful.

Also I'd refrain from using your usual 10mg Valium with the Fentanyl at first until you have figured out your dose and know your body can handle it, because opiates and benzos (Valium is a benzo) both suppress your central nervous system and when put together can make death via respiratory distress/suppression far more likely.

Be careful and enjoy it, Fentanyl is the one opiate I have never been prescribed because I feel more comfortable with pills that I can take or not take, rather than a patch that doses me over 72hrs.

[SpENS93]

yeah dude just put it on it isn worth it trying to abuse it have it not work do more OD, and die.

[Morphoxycode1]

I'm just holding onto it for now...due to the potency of it and o/d potential, I'm not too keen on trying it. I've heard of drying the gel and smoking it, but if I do decide to try it, the safest bet seems to be just putting the patch on as directed. According to all the dose conversion charts from Duragesic's prescribing info sites, with a 40 to 60mg oral oxycodone/day tolerance, this dose is safe, when used how it's supposed to. I just don't like the idea of not knowing within a short amount of time how much it's going to affect me. I'll check out that thread, too. The search feature on here wasn't working last last couple times I tried it. So, I'll gather all the information I can before trying this patch, if I decide to do so! Or I may run across someone with experience with them and trade, sell, or whatever.

Mmm, I really like oc mixed with Norco and a bit of valium along with my psych med, Depakote. (off topic, but hey... I'm enjoyin' it!)

[SpENS93]

yea thats what i did, it scared me dude, something that strong i was really reluctant to put it on and i ended up trading it for an 80 :)

[Morphoxycode1]

Hrm... if I could trade that for an 80, I'd be happy! I'd want to trade it to someone else who knows what they're doing with them, though. Wouldn't want to be responsible for someone going to the hospital or dying. I know some peeps who were getting the actiq pops and loved them, they might be interested in some sort of trade.. they have all kinds of goodies.

[SpENS93]

same here i sold it to some opiate naive bitch and she didnt go on myspace for a couple days i got worried lol

[Auntie C]

same here i sold it to some opiate naive bitch and she didnt go on myspace for a couple days i got worried lol

How utterly kind of you spens.
Trying to add another to the four dead kids in your signature?
Lol, indeed.

[SpENS93]

How utterly kind of you spens.
Trying to add another to the four dead kids in your signature?
Lol, indeed.
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fuckoff

[Morphoxycode1]

Update...allright, my curiosity got the best of me, plus I'm down to my last couple oc's and I decided to do more medical research on the patch. For someone used to a daily dose of 22.5-67mg of oral oxycodone/day, then the 25mcg/hr patch is the right one to use. I've gone up to 60mg of oxy at once before with valium and had a good nod but felt good.

So, I opened up the condom shaped package and inspected the goods inside. It's the gel-less kind. Also checked the expiration date and determined it wasn't one that was recalled. So, I shaved a small spot on my upper arm with clippers and applied the patch. My guess is that I'll feel a little something, mild to moderate since some w/d's are already starting from running low on oxy. I did about 40mg yesterday and 30mg hydrocodone and 15mg valium, plus 10mg ambien to sleep and my regular 500mg/day of Depakote and starting Effexor.

I'll let y'all know how it goes.

[always_sublime]

when i get them i cut chunks off and put them on my tongue and just suck on them for hours its not a super intense buzz but it gets the job done. i would cut it in quarters and try one, just suck on for a couple of hours. I had 75mcg ones and i could make it last 3 or 4 days without w/d by just sucking on chunks. while its in your mouth you can kinda chew on to get to the gel. It wont be super intense. My tolerance is about the same as yours maybe a little stronger so i know you will be safe. good luck

[StonedAge]

Im curious, did the package advise you to where the patch should be placed on your body? Im pretty sure it affects the absorption rate, i wonder how much of a difference it would make.

[Morphoxycode1]

I used it as directed. The online instructions were to shave with clippers the site of application, on the upper arm or chest. I chose my upper arm. The package was hard to read because the guy scribbled over it with a marker, but I got most of that off with rubbing alcohol, but it took some of the info off with it. I believe it was the Watson brand...that or Mylan. Not sure.

I slapped it on at around 11:20 this morning and within 2 hours, I felt a mild morphine like effect along with some typical morph nausea, so I decided to remove it for awhile. I was also working in the yard, so the heat prob released more at once. After about an hour, that feeling went away, so I reapplied it to the same spot. Shortly after, my stomach cramping went away and I felt mellow again. Here it is well over 12 hours since first putting it on and wasn't really feeling it. Later on, I took my evening dose of Depakote, valium and some ambien. Got some soma and took 1 to start with. Over the course of 3 hours, I'm up to 4 somas and feel pretty sleepy.. oh, and I took 5mg of oxy and 5mg of norco.

So, unless it hits me good n hard tomorrow, it's been pretty mild but rather nice. Oc is a lot better, though. I'm pretty sedated righ now and my eyes want to close... it's pretty late. No breathing problems, mild and nice if you like morphine sulfate. I'd spring for the oc or norco next time. But, had to at least try it! It does cause a headache. I'll repost in the morning if I'm still around! lol


Catch ya later....

[Miasma]

Quote Originally Posted by Auntie C How utterly kind of you spens Trying to add another to the four dead kids in your signature? Lol, indeed

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That's out of order auntie c

[Morphoxycode1]

Well, I'm not sure if he meant it as sarcasm, a joke or seriously traded it to someone who knew nothing of fentanyl. Well, I'd rather have the 6 10mg oc's and 10 bux I traded for this patch. It does very little for a high when you put it on your skin. It's 24 hours later and I don't even feel it, however I did wake up without my back hurting and I'm in an unusual energetic mood for the morning. Last night I ended up taking a total of 4 somas, 5mg oxy and 5mg of a norco plus a 10mg ambien. I was pretty jammed, and could still walk and get around but couldn't see very straight! I guess the most potent part of it is over but I'm going to keep it on for at least another day to get the most out of it. Cuz it's doing something!

[1970somethin']

you can smoke some or I believe all of fentanyl patches? the lady that used to get them were like 100mcg i -think-. but yes it's dangerous, though, so unless you know what you're doing and have a high tolerance you might want to refrain from it. last time my brother did it his eyes like rolled back in his head and he couldn't see for a few minutes. he also proceeded to throw up out his window, lol. but don't take any other opiates or even benzo's while on it, esp. the first time.

[Verisimilitude]

Just to clarify for you Morphoxy, Fentanyl patches actually get STRONGER after the first 24hrs. Often patients who use them for pain complain that they don't kick very well for almost a day, and then the second day around the 30th hour is usually where the blood/plasma levels of Fentanyl begin to peak. Take a look online, you'll see its true.

That means you probably didn't get the full effects of it yesterday. Hopefully today you can feel some more of its effects and maybe pop some hydrocodone on top of it to increase it. Thats what I'd do, although I'd be using different drugs, but taking a long acting opiate at a low-medium dose combined with titrated doses of short acting can give you the best buzz ever because the long acting perpetuates the buzz so you never get a comedown feeling, you just feel great all the time and can keep taking bumper doses of your IR meds every 4 hours or so when they wear off. Thats hope pain meds are prescribed, and let me tell you, if you get the dose right, it really works.

[DejaVoodoo]

I used to be on Fentanyl patches, 50mcg every 3 days..I would feel it kick in about 12 hours from the time I put it on, and it would only last 48, if I was lucky. Sometimes it was less. But my insurance would only pay for 10 patches a month, so I couldn't get an extra 5 and couldn't afford to pay all of it myself. Those things are almost $400. The pain control was great with Oxy for breakthrough.

Also, the weakest strength they make is 12.5mcg because I had to use them when I was coming off of it.

Becareful, Fentanyl is VERY strong and you can easily just fall asleep and stop breathing before you even realize it. If it's a Mylan patch (without the gel, just a sticker) try cutting it in half and put half on and see how that does first. If it's the Watons or Sandoz brands with the gel, you'd have to either put the whole thing on, or cut it open and put a small amount of the gel on your gums and under your tongue. You'll feel it pretty quickly that way.

Heat will also increase absorption. I used to put a heating pad on the patch on the 2nd day and it did help me last til the 3rd day. If you did this on the first day though you'd get a whole lot of it and that could be dangerous so I don't recommend doing that at all.

[Morphoxycode1]

Ah yes...I felt it in about 4 hours, I was out in the heat and released it a little faster. I got kind of a sick, morphine like feeling, so took it off for awhile, then put it back on after about 2 hours. It was a mellow feeling, and I ended up taking some oxy and norc with it on top of soma and ambien with valium and Depakote. I like my cocktails!

After the first day, I ended up chewing on about half the patch, and got a little faster effect, then just ended up chewing on the whole thing for the rest of the day. Then passed out on the whole combo of stuff at the kitchen table eating!!! Woke up and staggered to bed and thought I swallowed the patch, when a couple days later, I found it in my sweater and started chewing on it again...fell asleep with it in my mouth and woke up with an awful nauseating taste in my mouth from it. I'm gonna stick to norcs, percs, oxys, soma, valium, and ambien. I did like how my back didn't hurt when I got up that morning and it seemed to put me in a good mood without feeling screwed up or really high. But...I like being high so....we all know how that goes. Then ya run out like I just did and go through it all again. This is my stupid little life, and it's ending one pill at a time!