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dilligaf
06-21-2009, 03:35 PM
We have seen the other bills that have come up in the HR and have heard rumors of this bill and here it is in all its glory... :mad:


As per usual it is fulla stupid half defined mumbo jumbo that could mean many things and is forever long n boring to read, so i found a synopsis of the really "good" bits... I dont know if it will actually come to this in the end but this bill passing is certainly opening too many doors IMHO.



HR 2749 gives FDA tremendous power while significantly diminishing existing judicial restraints on actions taken by the agency. The bill would impose a one-size-fits-all regulatory scheme on small farms and local artisanal producers; and it would disproportionately impact their operations for the worse.


HR 2749 does not address underlying causes of food safety problems such as industrial agriculture practices and the consolidation of our food supply. The industrial food system and food imports are badly in need of effective regulation, but the bill does not specifically direct regulation or resources to these areas.

To read a detailed account of the bill, go to: http://www.ftcldf.org/news/news-15june2009.htm (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102612195930&s=2511&e=001yGaMXMRjUhBzA8IjPepYUYmo1t2CIjF0iHGYRdFJYdn9g BSzvGAZ4SaKM-m5Qt7THonittR6GDx4UecvD_5a4X_fQ9-XNjH2Hh3k1fVDZNX65xZIRJnfsHC7tRiMV9PDbjdpPjVEJ56OF zbH7Diz5w==)


(Read the section on tracing. That is NAIS, isn’t it? – highly disguised yet triggered by the word “trace.” )
Alarming Provisions:
Some of the more alarming provisions in the bill are:


* HR 2749 would impose an annual registration fee of $500 on any “facility” that holds, processes, or manufactures food. [isn't this every home in the US, every garden?] Although “farms” are exempt, the agency has defined “farm” narrowly. [What is the definition?] And people making foods such as lacto-fermented vegetables, cheeses, or breads would be required to register and pay the fee, which could drive beginning and small producers out of business during difficult economic times. [Yes. There are laws against this corporate-size-destroys-the-little-guy policy, aren't there? Are home bread or cheese or lacto-fermented vegetable makers who make for their own families included in this?]

* HR 2749 would empower FDA to regulate how crops are raised and harvested. It puts the federal government right on the farm, dictating to our farmers. [This astounding control opens the door to CODEX. WTO "good farming practices" will include the elimination of organic farming by eliminating manure, mandating GMO animal feed, imposing animal drugs, and ordering applications of petrochemical fertilizers and pesticides. Farmers, thus, will be locked not only into the industrialization of once normal and organic farms but into the forced purchase of industry's products. They will be slaves on the land, doing the work they are ordered to do - against their own best wisdom - and paying out to industry against their will.

There will be no way to be frugal, to grow one's own grain to feed the animals, to raise healthy animals without GMO grains or drugs, to work with nature at all. Grassfed cattle and poultry and hogs will be finished. So, it's obvious where control will take us. And weren't these the "rumors on the internet" that were dismissed but are clearly the case?]

* HR 2749 would give FDA the power to order a quarantine of a geographic area, including “prohibiting or restricting the movement of food or of any vehicle being used or that has been used to transport or hold such food within the geographic area.” [This - "that hasbeen used to transport or hold such food" - would mean all cars that have ever brought groceries home so this means ALL TRANSPORTATION can be shut down under this. This is using food as a cover for martial law.] Under this provision, farmers markets and local food sources could be shut down, even if they are not the source of the contamination. The agency can halt all movement of all food in a geographic area. [This is also a means of total control over the population under the cover of food, and at any time.]

* HR 2749 would empower FDA to make random warrantless searches of the business records of small farmers and local food producers, without any evidence whatsoever that there has been a violation. [If these bills cover all who "hold food" then this allows for taking of records of anyone at any time on no basis at all.] Even farmers selling direct to consumers would have to provide the federal government with records on where they buy supplies, how they raise their crops, and a list of customers.

[NAIS for animals and all other foods?]

* HR 2749 charges the Secretary of Health and Human Services with establishing a tracing system for food. Each “person who produces, manufactures, processes, packs, transports, or holds such food” [Is this not every home in the US?] would have to “maintain the full pedigree of the origin and previous distribution history of the food,” and “establish and maintain a system for tracing the food that is interoperable with the systems established and maintained by other such persons.” The bill does not explain how far the traceback will extend or how it will be done for multi-ingredient foods. With all these ambiguities, [with all these ambiguities, it is dangerous, period, separate from the money] it’s far from clear how much it will cost either the farmers or the taxpayers. [It is massive and absurd and burdensome beyond the capacity of people to comply - is this not fascism? - so it is a set up for being used to impose penalties endlessly and/or to eliminate anyone at will.]

* HR 2749 creates severe criminal and civil penalties, including prison terms of up to 10 years and/or fines of up to $100,000 for each violation for individuals. [Does it include judicial review, Congressional oversight, a defined and limited set of penalties and punishments for a defined set of "crimes"? Or is it entirely ambiguous and left to the whim and sole power of "the Administrator"? Who is that person set to be? Is it Michael Taylor, Monsanto lawyer and executive, as Food Democracy has said? That is, do these bills set up an agency by which the entire US food supply will be turned over to the control of a multinational corporation under WTO regulations (and not to US farmers and not to US laws under the Constitution), with boundless freedom to do what it wants, and one infamous for harm to farmers and lack of safety of food?]





If it was not clear before how frightening these bills were, this small section of provisions, should make their actual fascism clear now. It goes way beyond “food safety” to absolute control over farms, animals, food, and us, including our movements and access to food at all


http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/hr-2749-totalitarian-control-of-the-food-supply/

here is a little bit different view
http://nutritionwonderland.com/2009/06/food-safety-enhancement-act-hr-2749/

and a view that is somewhere in the middle
http://naturalbias.com/your-right-to-choose-healthy-food-is-at-stake-again/

stinkfoot
06-21-2009, 05:32 PM
Just adds to my personal conviction that the United States government is a criminal organization that urgently needs to be shut down.

dilligaf
06-21-2009, 05:36 PM
Just adds to my personal conviction that the United States government is a criminal organization that urgently needs to be shut down.

doesnt it though....

everything i have read n researched on codex alimentarius has said implementation by dec 31 of this year... This fast tracking of all these bills just seems like they are not joking..

Just another one of those :rolleyes: "conspiracies" that aint

TheChaosFactor
06-22-2009, 05:41 PM
I'm not saying I don't believe it, because I do, but why would they need to use food as a cover for martial law? Isn't that the purpose of martial law to begin with?

I mean, a rose by any other name is still as sweet, is it not? When people are told food parasites are why their roads are being blocked off and cars confiscated, they'll know what it is. I don't understand the call for a charade......

But again, I'm just looking for clarification. I know there are a lot of things headed that I do not want to see.

stinkfoot
06-22-2009, 07:07 PM
I'm not saying I don't believe it, because I do, but why would they need to use food as a cover for martial law? Isn't that the purpose of martial law to begin with?

I mean, a rose by any other name is still as sweet, is it not? When people are told food parasites are why their roads are being blocked off and cars confiscated, they'll know what it is. I don't understand the call for a charade......

But again, I'm just looking for clarification. I know there are a lot of things headed that I do not want to see.
Well- there are theories about this... monopolizing the food supply is an effective way of managing a herd of livestock- which is pretty much what the elite regard us as. If you have total control over what is eaten you can manipulate its content to effect health to help divert dollars to pharmaceuticals, restrict supply to drive prices up and make more profitable (look at what big oil is doing) and you generally have very effective leverage to create chaos under the cover of shortages to induce the need for extra security as a precedence for establishing and maintaining a government/corporate police presence and effecting martial law. It's a great way of thinning a herd that has outgrown the resources needed to maintain it.... and ensure that there will be plenty for the ruling elite corpo/government upper crust.

TheChaosFactor
06-22-2009, 07:42 PM
Well- there are theories about this... monopolizing the food supply is an effective way of managing a herd of livestock- which is pretty much what the elite regard us as. If you have total control over what is eaten you can manipulate its content to effect health to help divert dollars to pharmaceuticals, restrict supply to drive prices up and make more profitable (look at what big oil is doing) and you generally have very effective leverage to create chaos under the cover of shortages to induce the need for extra security as a precedence for establishing and maintaining a government/corporate police presence and effecting martial law. It's a great way of thinning a herd that has outgrown the resources needed to maintain it.... and ensure that there will be plenty for the ruling elite corpo/government upper crust.
The problem is though for $500 you can grow your own shit, so I don't get the big deal? Sure $500 is a sham too, but it's better than an extra 60-70 a week on grocery.

hippiehillbilly
06-22-2009, 07:59 PM
be a cold day in hell before i pay my government for the privilege of growing my own food.
i refuse to pay fees,i refuse to register my animals or any other food source on my property.

aint gonna happen. and i assure you we are not alone . good luck to them trying to enforce it.

stinkfoot
06-23-2009, 02:33 PM
The problem is though for $500 you can grow your own shit, so I don't get the big deal? Sure $500 is a sham too, but it's better than an extra 60-70 a week on grocery.

Apart from the topic of this thread, $500 IS a big deal to someone who might be growing vegetables to save just a little at the market because the current depression has taken his job- it makes it unfeasible- and forces him to spend what little money he has at the market... it protects the precious profits of the food giants that would otherwise take a hit when people begin to find creative ways of trimming costs. It is plain and simple the criminal organization known as the United States government acting solely on behalf of the corporate interests that it represents against the needs of the little guy who it only pretends to care about during campaign season. I'm increasingly looking at the taxes being withheld from my pay as extortion/protection racket... and Social Security is the mother of all ponzi schemes.

It is no small matter- and the criminals in Washington are counting on the general population not paying attention as they fast track this through both houses and DON'T think Obama won't sign it.

TheChaosFactor
06-23-2009, 07:36 PM
SSI isn't even a good Ponzi scheme, honestly. The investors are guaranteed to pull out at some point. Even Bernie Madoff knew not to take from those close to retirement. Stupid game.

The problem is Stinky, if you bring the game to a halt, then what?

And that's what all of this is, is just a big game. We owe Country X 1.5 billion. Country X owes Country Y 1 billion. Country X is telling Country Y they'll get their 1 billion when Country X gets it's 1.5. Country Y accepts.

But if we go under and Country X isn't entitled to the 1.5 because we bankrupted Country Y will start knocking a little harder on Country X's door, and when Country Z, who stayed quiet, finds out that Country Y isn't paying up because of Country X, you have another pissed of Country with a vested interested in the money.

So I ask you, all of you, if this current situation is a criminal fraud sham, which I can largely agree with, how, when, and where do we turn it around. Where do we even begin?

The problems are so magnificent in scope that it's virtually impossible to correct at this point. But a wishy washy game where the rules change all the time sounds better to me than Game Over.

"Congratulations. You're a multi millionaire. Unfortunately a loaf of bread is about a million bucks" <--- Game over across the world.

It all comes down to revolution. Clean country with a clean slate.

It's just a matter of when, but I doubt we'll see that any time soon. People haven't been stripped enough of their rights, pride, and freedom......

yet....And I'm willing to admit that I'm one of those. I just haven't had my toes stepped on enough to make me want to revolt.... so... what are the sensible options?

hippiehillbilly
06-24-2009, 12:37 PM
i personally favor a global jubilee and then start completely over.

i feel its a simple solution and the fastest way to get things back on track.

thats the first and easy step. the rest of the reforms would have to be hammered out of course. i would say start that by holding emergency elections and have it to where no one can run for a seat they hold or have already held.