Why 2012

[positive vibes]

There are numerous theories floating around about the date December 21st, 2012 A.D., which the Ancient Mayans chose as the end of their Long Count calendar. Ancient Mesoameri people were skywatchers and they were able to pinpoint a winter solstice far off into the future, December 21st 2012 could it be the end of the world as we know it, or just another hoax?

Can i hear some thoughts,

Peace in the middle east

[BlackGuardXIII]

How about this. It is a significant astronomical event, when the sun lines up with the center of the galaxy at midday for the first time in millenia. It is a good stopping point for a calendar.

[Kandahar]

There are numerous theories floating around about the date December 21st, 2012 A.D., which the Ancient Mayans chose as the end of their Long Count calendar. Ancient Mesoameri people were skywatchers and they were able to pinpoint a winter solstice far off into the future, December 21st 2012 could it be the end of the world as we know it, or just another hoax?

Can i hear some thoughts,

Peace in the middle eastWhy would you consider some ancient Mayan theories in the same league as modern science? There's no scientific reason to believe that the earth, or life on it, will be destroyed anytime in the next billion years, let alone the next ten. If we humans become extinct, it'll be because of our own technology, not because of a Mayan theory.

No, the world will not end on December 21, 2012. I'll give you 1,000,000 to 1 odds on that. But I guess you wouldn't be around to collect if you're right. :)

[BlackGuardXIII]

Why would you consider some ancient Mayan theories in the same league as modern science? There's no scientific reason to believe that the earth, or life on it, will be destroyed anytime in the next billion years, let alone the next ten. If we humans become extinct, it'll be because of our own technology, not because of a Mayan theory.

No, the world will not end on December 21, 2012. I'll give you 1,000,000 to 1 odds on that. But I guess you wouldn't be around to collect if you're right. :)One reason might be that when the Mayan calculation of the mean distance between the earth and moon was first deciphered in the 60's, scientists were amazed how close it was to ours. In the 70's when we put a reflector on the moon and bounced a laser off it, lo and behold, they were closer than we were.

[Kandahar]

One reason might be that when the Mayan calculation of the mean distance between the earth and moon was first deciphered in the 60's, scientists were amazed how close it was to ours. In the 70's when we put a reflector on the moon and bounced a laser off it, lo and behold, they were closer than we were.
I'm the first to admit that the Mayans had good science...but it just can't compete with what we know today. Remember, that just because they succeeded on measuring the distance from the earth to moon doesn't mean that they're any more intelligent or capable than anyone else.

Albert Einstein revolutionized the scientific world, but it would be silly to accept everything he said as gospel. The same applies for the Mayans.

[BlackGuardXIII]

I'm the first to admit that the Mayans had good science...but it just can't compete with what we know today. Remember, that just because they succeeded on measuring the distance from the earth to moon doesn't mean that they're any more intelligent or capable than anyone else.

Albert Einstein revolutionized the scientific world, but it would be silly to accept everything he said as gospel. The same applies for the Mayans.
I would never accept everything they wrote as gospel? What led you to thinking I did. Their knowledge is mostly a lost mystery. We have very little of their texts left, since the conquest of central america included burning most of the books. But, their 13 month calendar is more efficient and practical than ours is, and the little bits we do have show that they were very astronomically advanced. I also never said they are more intelligent than anyone, and even if they were, remember Hitler was a genius level IQ, so intelligence counts for little to me.
The most interesting thing to me, about the Mayans, Olmecs, the Egyptian Pyramids, the Peruvian monoliths, etc. is that the ones that are the oldest show they were at there highest technological level at the start.
Does that make sense to anyone here? To me, it only does if they were the culmination and final accomplishments of a lost civilization.

And I feel we are getting very close to learning how they did it. Ed Leedskalnin figured it out, so we should be able to.

[Kal-EL]

Do you honestly think the leading scientist would be like "Well, we're all gunna die in 2012." That wouldn't give anyone much incentive to obey the law. There would be chaos. So yea, you go ahead and believe scientists would tell everyone we only have 8 years left.

[tiki_god7]

or how about terence mckenna who calculated the exact same date using the I-ching? which was developed on the other side of the world as the mayans, I don't know what year the mayans developed there calender but I believe the Iching was something like 2500 years ago.......

[Kandahar]

Do you honestly think the leading scientist would be like "Well, we're all gunna die in 2012." That wouldn't give anyone much incentive to obey the law. There would be chaos. So yea, you go ahead and believe scientists would tell everyone we only have 8 years left.
What?

Since when is it the job of scientists to get people to obey the law? That post made no sense whatsoever.

[BlackGuardXIII]

Do you honestly think the leading scientist would be like "Well, we're all gunna die in 2012." That wouldn't give anyone much incentive to obey the law. There would be chaos. So yea, you go ahead and believe scientists would tell everyone we only have 8 years left.I don't know if you were replying to my post, but mine is the one right before yours, so I am assuming that you were.

I don't believe we have 8 years left at all, just that we are nearing some major change in our reality globally. It is just in time, if it does happen, and I also don't think scientists are purposefully hiding anything. They just do not believe the same as I do, and do not see the evidence the same way as me.

[BlackGuardXIII]

or how about terence mckenna who calculated the exact same date using the I-ching? which was developed on the other side of the world as the mayans, I don't know what year the mayans developed there calender but I believe the Iching was something like 2500 years ago.......The Mayans likely adopted their calendar from an earlier civilization, of which we know virtually zip. The start date of the calendar is August 31, 3113 BC, I believe, but could be wrong. It does not surprise me if the IChing can also produce that date, since I have seen thousands of pages of evidence of a prehistoric planet wide advanced civilization.

[Fractual_]

i thought 2012 was a turning point in the world, sordove like a great awakening, i'm not very informed on the subject though

[JoneeEarthquake]

Ypu can say alot about the Maya, but you've got to hand it to them: they knew a hell of a lot about stars. For instance, they calculated the exact duration of a year to a thousandth of a decimal point, much more precise than any Greek or enlightened philosopher ever did. Also, they were able to predict every solar and lunar eclipse until this day. And obviously, they knew where the galactic equinox and the exact middle of the Milky Way lay: they called this crossing `the Sacred Tree'.More disturbing, the Maya's were awfully good at astrology, too. Mysteriously, they predicted in what year their civilization would be overrun by foreigners coming from over the seas. Legend has it they even predicted the world wars. So if a Maya tells you the world will end in 2012, you'd better take it seriously.





But Actually the Maya's never predicted anything concrete about 2012. That may have something to do with our ill knowledge about Maya culture: when the Spanish ransacked the land, they burnt literally every Maya book they could find. Only a handful of scriptures survived. And in them, there's no clue about what happens when the Maya calendar ends.

So what awaits us in 2012 basically is an open question. And as with so many open questions, countless doom preachers, semi-prophets and other crackpots pop up to provide an answer. The interpretation you hear most: 2012 will mark the coming of a new, glorious age of wisdom and peace. It will be Age Of Aquarius at last, with a world full of peace, love and understanding.

The reasoning behind this is not that stupid, though. The Maya's didn't really believed in endings: their conception of time was circular, with every end being the beginning of something new. So, 2012 won't be an exception.

Also, the Maya's had a highly developed philosophy of the cosmos. They saw the cosmos as the true mother of things. Consequently, the Maya's thought the cosmos is all around us, and within us. Every plant, every animal, every man is sheer Cosmos.

So New Age philospers said, December 21st 2012 will be the day on which this inner cosmos is reconnected to the divine outer cosmos. The Sun will mount its unique position to form a `gateway' between the Universe and the souls of every living creature on Earth. Our linear conception of time will crumble, and with it, fear and hatred will vanish. It will be purification at it's very best, when everyone is soaked in cosmic understanding and divine love. :D

[TrippinBTM]

Heh, I bet if the guy who wrote the Mayan calander could be asked why it ended where it does, he'd just be like "Well shit, it was thousands of years ahead of us, and and I was tired of counting, goddam it! I figured someone else could continue it in the future. I mean, hey, I have a family to support, crops to tend to. It just seemed like a good time to stop."

[TrippinBTM]

So New Age philospers said, December 21st 2012 will be the day on which this inner cosmos is reconnected to the divine outer cosmos. The Sun will mount its unique position to form a `gateway' between the Universe and the souls of every living creature on Earth. Our linear conception of time will crumble, and with it, fear and hatred will vanish. It will be purification at it's very best, when everyone is soaked in cosmic understanding and divine love. :D
*crowd is silent, everyone looks around at each other doubtfully*

"ahem...uh...and, weed and booze for all!"

*crowd roars in joy*

[Raving Sultan]

One reason might be that when the Mayan calculation of the mean distance between the earth and moon was first deciphered in the 60's, scientists were amazed how close it was to ours. In the 70's when we put a reflector on the moon and bounced a laser off it, lo and behold, they were closer than we were.
They must either be super smart or aliens helped them. Just like they helped the egyptians

[TrippinBTM]

They must either be super smart or aliens helped them. Just like they helped the egyptians
Saying "it was aliens" devalues the intelligence of the people who did these things. Why shouldn't they be able to do calculations, or move rocks, on their own? Even 5,000 years ago, humans were humans, with the same capacity for intelligence, reason, and creative thinking that we all have today. Just because they weren't dependent on technology doesn't mean they were stupid.

[Joseph0]

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[BlackGuardXIII]

we're all gonna die.
There is no death, only a change of worlds. Chief Seattle

[BlackGuardXIII]

They must either be super smart or aliens helped them. Just like they helped the egyptians
they did?

[forest_pixie84]

There are numerous theories floating around about the date December 21st, 2012 A.D., which the Ancient Mayans chose as the end of their Long Count calendar. Ancient Mesoameri people were skywatchers and they were able to pinpoint a winter solstice far off into the future, December 21st 2012 could it be the end of the world as we know it, or just another hoax?

Can i hear some thoughts,

Peace in the middle eastYep that is the set day for the world to end, better live it up now. The zombies are just anxiously waiting to come out, and remember to stay indoors when the fire starts to rain from the sky.

j/k :)

[BlackGuardXIII]

Saying "it was aliens" devalues the intelligence of the people who did these things. Why shouldn't they be able to do calculations, or move rocks, on their own? Even 5,000 years ago, humans were humans, with the same capacity for intelligence, reason, and creative thinking that we all have today. Just because they weren't dependent on technology doesn't mean they were stupid.
I still have not read of anyone who has figured out how we could build a copy of the Giza Pyramid. The best minds of our time have not got a believable explanation how they did it. They were smart all righty.

[BlackGuardXIII]

Yep that is the set day for the world to end, better live it up now. The zombies are just anxiously waiting to come out, and remember to stay indoors when the fire starts to rain from the sky.

j/k :)
You cheeky pixie...
It is the date of the end of the fifth sun, which began in August 3113 BC,
and all four previous suns did not end well, so you may be right about staying indoors.

The astronomical significance is actually quite well significant. Our solar system is crossing the plain of the galaxy just now, and that day the sun will line up with the galaxy's center at noon. Which is cool, but nothing to worry about.
the circular wobble of the earth that is called the precession of the equinoxes is completing a 26000 year cycle too, but that is also pretty harmless sounding.

[forest_pixie84]

you do know i was joking?... what does cheeky mean?

[SoLoMaN]

Black Guard, if you do some reading you'll find the grand wonders of the ancient world where produced at the beginning of those cultures, and thus show a degradation in culture that has been reversed in our culture. In terms of engineering. Now we are almost at the peak of earth-bound technology, and that's true with nanotechnology as the key, the material key to godship.

That's a reason to be scared, and believe the negative side of the 2012 message. But the message that has to get out is that it IS the ascension of consciousness on this planet. The bible - code; with jesus represented as the sun/son, the same story told many other places; krishna, neo, frodo/gandalf/aragorn as the trinity?!? there is a profound shift in consciousness waiting to take off, and it means heaven on earth or on the metaphysical; depends on whether we can save this planet of ours. As i wrote that last bit, i received a flush of tingling energy across my cheeks, along my back and neck.

I've got muchos info on this if anyone would like to pm or email me and i can send it right over to them. And be aware that programmes like the X-Files make programmes that give a negative perception of the ascension process, or simply spread negative vibes, man. No seriously, vibes. positive and negative ones at that. your computer gives off negative ones that cut you off from certain naturally occuring vibes, or frequencies. So go out for a walk to a wood or beach and get some ionised particles into ya system.

Namaste.

[BlackGuardXIII]

you do know i was joking?... what does cheeky mean?
Cheeky means that you were joking, that you were speaking 'tongue in cheek'
It is a compliment, in a way, which connotes cuteness and cleverness, to me anyway.

[BlackGuardXIII]

Black Guard, if you do some reading you'll find the grand wonders of the ancient world where produced at the beginning of those cultures, and thus show a degradation in culture that has been reversed in our culture. In terms of engineering.
Soloman

yes, i know too. Trust me, I have done some reading....
The megalithic sites are older than is taught, by a good 10 000 years. They are similarly designed for longevity, worldwide. The logistics of the great pyramids construction are just insanely complex and it is hundreds of times more perfectly square than our modern houses are.
The ancients mapped the entire globe, and were knowledgeable in areas we are not.
We know much they did not, but I could not say we are better, I feel their achievements were more impressive.
A disaster befell them that was seen coming for a long time, and so they left a note to say we were here.
and most of us still don't see it.
If the automobile's development history was the same as the pyramids, the first cars would have been Formula one race cars and Lambourgini Diablos, and now we'd be driving Edsels.

[SoLoMaN]

That was bland, uninformative and repetitive. I liked the metaphor at the end though. Although I'm in the UK, we don't have Edsels, if they are indeed a car? Are they perhaps a gas/electric powered car?

No matter, but this quote of you acts as juxtaposition to your statement of having done some reading;

The most interesting thing to me, about the Mayans, Olmecs, the Egyptian Pyramids, the Peruvian monoliths, etc. is that the ones that are the oldest show they were at there highest technological level at the start.
Does that make sense to anyone here? To me, it only does if they were the culmination and final accomplishments of a lost civilization.

I may be wrong about the times of when this and that were built, but it goes deeper than a bunch of buildings; where are the people who built them, where's the extra-terrestials which almost certainly exist? Still On Earth. Some are good, some are bad, some have stayed in a negative vibrational pit, and some have ascended and experience our world in a most amazing way, i'm sure. A lot of interbreeding went on, I believe, and it is said that the ruling establishment; the still remaining bourgoise fat-cat subversively oppressive and disgustingly hedonistic (if you believe all you hear) upper echelons, are descendants, are ancestors of the negative part of the balance. Like the fact that the Queen of England and George Bush are 13th cousins and both related to Charlemagne or something, a European King 1000 years ago. To supplement that, did you know that under 3 forms of numerology, George Jnr's name-in-full works out to 666 each time. And that the Pope, through his aids, has shown his fears that Bushy is in fact the antichrist from the book of revelations.

Are you aware of the Akashic Record? That may of been a helping hand to an enlightened race, such as the mayans who experienced no war for 1000 years. Also handy to those who perhaps wanted to alter the course of the future, in the past, in an active way, via supernatural and magik means.

Pm me or email for info.
Namaste

[BlackGuardXIII]

That was bland, uninformative and repetitive. I liked the metaphor at the end though. Although I'm in the UK, we don't have Edsels, if they are indeed a car? Are they perhaps a gas/electric powered car?

No matter, but this quote of you acts as juxtaposition to your statement of having done some reading;
Soloman

Hmmm, Edsels were a failed model of Fords from long ago. I guess I should have said Model T's....

I have read more than you would guess, i am sure, likely double or triple the number of pages you would guess.

I read. It is my thing. And the subject matter we are on is what I read. I read about one novel a year, the other 50 to 100 books are non-fiction.

juxtapose that

[SoLoMaN]

Maybe you should share your information a bit more loosely then, and don't spare with the perhaps a little "extreme" for the audience, or even the supposed mundane. Information's information man. In my experience people will see the appeal in having it in their head or on their pc, printed out or whathaveyou.

Please don't refer me to a book, i'd hoard them; if i had nothing else i wouldn't care in a way. I use a private peer2peer file sharing network, completely legal called foldershare. downloadable at www.foldershare.com -- wanna join or make a library? pm if you get it done.

[BlackGuardXIII]

If I did not have to pay rent, eat, etc., I swear that all i would do is share what i have read with those who are curious. thanks for the link.

[forest_pixie84]

Cheeky means that you were joking, that you were speaking 'tongue in cheek'
It is a compliment, in a way, which connotes cuteness and cleverness, to me anyway.
all clear now, thanks :)

[wideyed]

so i am just a neophyte when it comes to the mayan calendar, but instinctively i would believe that 2012 is as much a new beginning as it is an end, from the small amount that ive read. Of course that could mean hellish chaos, but wtf, lets get it on. (as i write this, its the 11th day of the 4th moon, incidentally).

blackguard, do you believe in Atlantis? i've read peoples suggestions that the mayans started at their peak because they were the remnants of the Atlantis civilization... sounds like a load of crap to me, but i know nothing about it.

[BlackGuardXIII]

so i am just a neophyte when it comes to the mayan calendar, but instinctively i would believe that 2012 is as much a new beginning as it is an end, from the small amount that ive read. Of course that could mean hellish chaos, but wtf, lets get it on. (as i write this, its the 11th day of the 4th moon, incidentally).

blackguard, do you believe in Atlantis? i've read peoples suggestions that the mayans started at their peak because they were the remnants of the Atlantis civilization... sounds like a load of crap to me, but i know nothing about it.
I dont know much, but I tend to think that it existed.
I have heard a lot of theories, and I believe that we have been advanced more than once. Genetecists say we havent changed in 250 000 years, that gives us a lot of room for Mu, Lemuria, Atlantis, etc.
Atlantis, in my limited view is likely below the Caribbean, they have found megaliths near Bimini, and some say that there are pyramids near Cuba.

I like the way the ancient and accurate Piri Reis map has Antarctica at the top. So that it looks like there is only one ocean. it could be there too...
who knows, but i love this stuff.

[MichaelByrd1967]

I've actually read an article about Atlantis and how some scientists believe that Atlantis is actually Ireland, and it never truly disappeared, but some think that, because of a tiny island off the coast of Ireland that sunk thousands of years ago, and may have been misinterpreted as the sinking of Atlantis. But there has been conclusive evidence, such as an ancient map of what's thought to be Atlantis, that almost completely matches the topography of Ireland. And books that describes Atlantis, that actually proves to be very close if not exactly descriptive of Ireland.

What do you guys think about that?

[MichaelByrd1967]

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will rule the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
Age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will rule the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
Age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

Ring a Bell?

[BlackGuardXIII]

Could be, but Cuba has also had much research suggest it is too. And some say Antarctica. We will likely find out someday, soon i hope.

[ElectricLady]

When I first learned how the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, I wasn't exactly worried. It spooked me out a little, you know. BUT THEN I heard that some kind of asteroid/comet or something is supposedly on a collision course with Earth, and its expected to hit in 2012. :eek: (not sure if its supposed to be catastrophic or not.)

I'm not making this up. I'll try to find a link to the newstory (it might have been CNN).

On the real, I'm not scared, but it makes me feel uneasy. I'm just about positive something will happen in 2012...

But then, I think the Mayans HAD to stop the calendar at some point. They couldn't make it go on forever!

[pantalimon]

See the thread in this forum Transhumanism, superintelligence and a global change (showthread.php?t=51051)

The seed AI that will rapidly rewrite its own software and redesign its own hardware, could, and I quote "be brought online in the first 3rd of the next decade"

[MichaelByrd1967]

Pantalimon, have you ever seen the show 'Reboot'?

[pantalimon]

Pantalimon, have you ever seen the show 'Reboot'? I think that was a cartoon about computer programmes? Done in 3-D, I remember watching one of them, I think it was loosely based on a sort of Tron idea.

[TenCentArcade]

Why 2012
Because you touch yourself at night, you dirty little bitch.

[Cosmic Butterfly]

Isnt it also on that date that all the planets in our solar system will align perfectly, and the sun will be in the center of the galaxy
??

Wow.

[TrippinBTM]

Isnt it also on that date that all the planets in our solar system will align perfectly, and the sun will be in the center of the galaxy
??

Wow.
haha, no. If our sun ended up in the center of the galaxy (50,000 light years away, give or take) we'd be in a sea of such extreme tidal forces, radiation, and probably a black hole. No, be thankful we're way on the edge of the galaxy.

the planets are aligning this year, i though. I don't follow astronomy OR astrology, so i dunno

[gEo_tehaD_returns]

I think the mayans ended their calendar at 2012 because 2012 was a ways off and they had to end it sometime.

[TenCentArcade]

I think the mayans ended their calendar at 2012 because 2012 was a ways off and they had to end it sometime.
Agreed. They had to stop somewhere.

[mynameiskc]

Because you touch yourself at night, you dirty little bitch.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TenCentArcade again.

[TenCentArcade]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TenCentArcade again.



Well, it's the thought that counts. (Not really)

[wideyed]

oct 28, 2012 is the end of the "galactic cycle". Its part of the tzolkin count, which is a calendar that supposedly follows the energies of time -ups and downs u might say - instead of just keeping track of summer and winter. its based on a 13 x 20 multiple which gets applied to days years decades, etc. I had to give the book back to the library, so i cant say any more than that.

[Revenant Phantasm]

TrippinBTM tell me more about that stuff in the last post at revenanteidolon@yahoo.com or on this

[DoggoD]

I always seem to get caught up in these type of threads, ... anyway,
No one has mentioned the theory that we are migrants from a long ago society on Mars. The planet was changing for the worse (to what we see now) and they had to leave it. I think this is possible considering how old the two planets really are.

[Archemetis]

the Ancient Mayans chose as the end of their Long Count calendar.
they didnt choose to end it ;)

December 21st 2012 could it be the end of the world as we know it, or just another hoax?


not the end of the world...but the end of an age. its more of a beginning really.

[AannaSolo]

All i know is is that that's when the galactic bliss ray is going to sweep through earth.

[StonerBill]

haha this will be like my generation's Y2k

I think its most plausible that the end of the calendar signified the end of some sort of era. i guess well never know because of the ignorance of christian spaniards. '

and i dont think geneticists would have any way of calculating how long humans have been the same, since the brain shows no p[hysical sign of advancement.

humans did NOT come from mars, and if they did, then every single other animal on earth did too. however, that is possible even, though youd think that theere would be tonnes of evidence on mars of past civilisations, and not just non-conclusive speculations.

lets have a look at the possibilities:

end of the world
start of a new world
robot invasion
asteroid hit
aliens returning
jesus on a bicycle
or..
a good spot for mayans to decide to end their calendar.

I believe its highly possible that tehre was a huge amount of civilisation once. however, it may have been e/t.

but to put ancient civilisations into perspective, they had less technology to work with.. so it makes sense that they would put all their energy into the devices they did have. the stars are the only thing that would have more or less stayed the same, and stayed completely uncontrollable. so clearly ancients would see significance in the sky.

and for egyptians, they had nothing at all to put their whole population to work on except nile agriculture and building pyramids lol so obviosuly they would have been good at what they do.

but im sure if the world gets rid of its fuckin ignorance then we can find the answers. if only the catholic church didnt steal the dead sea scrolls, and the spaniards not destroy mayan literature, and scienitists put all their energy into finding out exactly what is inside each and every section of the great pyramids

All we can be certain of.. it will be ONE HELL OF A GLOBAL PARTY!!!

[AannaSolo]

There is another ray of bliss that will sweep through the earth, same as the harmonic convergence in 1987. It's just a new beginning - lots more enlightenment and the beginning of the 5th age. Alot more bliss to be felt and experienced. All the children of Light will feel it and feel and be blessed. The children of darkness may look more as they are, evil and dark and visably so, not hidden.

The enlightened star-kindred from other planets (the good guys) will come and help and teach the children of light face to face. Good times!

[Archemetis]

The enlightened star-kindred from other planets (the good guys) will come and help and teach the children of light face to face. Good times!
more like will come out of the wood work...;)

[Lodui]

Honestly I haven't read this thread...

But the Mayan's never said the world was going to end or anything on 2012... it was just the ending point of their calender cycle. Maybe they didn't feel like making their calnder continue on for centuries past the time they lived in.

[smlchance]

that stuff about the Mayans being closer to the distance from the moon than our projections is amazing. I would not be surprised if something was stirring in the universe. Whatever. I"m not worried about it. I hope the fan gets destroyed!

Kandahar: What you forget is that human intelligence is and always has been about the same. Sure we stand on the shoulders of giants but we're not smarter than then. Now we've got new technologies and science is advancing so rapidly I wouldn't be surprised if we did evolve into something less human. But the thing that you forget is, the scientific advancements we enjoy have basically killed the mystical spiritual side of humans which was the key element to existence to billions of people for tens of thousands of years. Kinda stupid don't you think??

GREAT posts BGXIII!!! t/y

I'm the first to admit that the Mayans had good science...but it just can't compete with what we know today. Remember, that just because they succeeded on measuring the distance from the earth to moon doesn't mean that they're any more intelligent or capable than anyone else.

Albert Einstein revolutionized the scientific world, but it would be silly to accept everything he said as gospel. The same applies for the Mayans.

[AannaSolo]

more like will come out of the wood work...;)
Te-he-he

[Shiva Tech]

If there is anything in the 2012 theories then I think it has to be some natural law rather than a predictive ability.

The law i think that could make 2012 significant are Moores Law (that the number of possible calculations a computer chip can make doubles every 18 months) maybe this law can be extrapolated backwards and was once measured as scientific progress. And maybe ancient scientific progress was directly linked to the number of cycles that could be observed in nature, the more risings and settings and movement of stars, the more information could be confirmed and predictions made. Maybe the Mayans thought that once all galactic cycles had been observed that we must move on to newer and bigger cycles.

Computers, in theory, may very soon be able to work out pretty much any mechanical problem and maybe we move beyond this technology dominated culture into a larger or more complex understanding. As if one big solution creates an even greater challenge.

By saying all this i suppose it also suggests that intelligence also follows some universal law of increasing complexity rather than just happening for occurances sake.

Theres a few theories about connected stuff that ive collected on my website here http://www.shivatech.co.uk (this is my 3rd website plug today so i hope this is ok modereratorers). This 2012 thing's been bugging me for a while but if anything i'd guess it has to do with the processing and connecting of information.

[TrippinBTM]

Computers, in theory, may very soon be able to work out pretty much any mechanical problem and maybe we move beyond this technology dominated culture into a larger or more complex understanding. As if one big solution creates an even greater challenge.
Holy shit dude...I just had a crazy thought. What if the saviour of humanity ends up being a computer?

[Shiva Tech]

It already holds that esteemed position for some, dont be too surprised, the worship has begun and some people are already tools of the digital ;-)

[inbloom]

i looked it up and found this:

"Archeologists - claim that the Maya began counting time as of August 31, 3114 B.C. This is called the zero year and is likened to January 1, AD. All dates in the Long Count begin there, so the date of the beginning of this time cycle is written 13-0-0-0-0. That means 13 cycles of 400 years will have passed before the next cycle begins, which is December 27, 2012. The new cycle will begin as 1-0-0-0-0. "

from what this site i found says, it sounds like december 21, 2012 AD would be pretty much like, or similar to, our Januray 1, 2000. where it was like, the start of a new century.

[Lodui]

from what this site i found says, it sounds like december 21, 2012 AD would be pretty much like, or similar to, our Januray 1, 2000. where it was like, the start of a new century.
You remember the doom that happened on Y2K right?

I broke a nail on my computer. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

Damned technology!!!!

[smlchance]

I felt completely ripped off by that Y2K bug. You know how much money I put into correctin the technology I used? And stored food and cash and toiletpaper and toothpaste??? OK< I didn't really go through any of that, but I really expected great apocalyptic catastrophic things in the world and some new spiritual reality made manifest. Or something. Instead we got NOTHING.

NOTHING!!

and all the experts agreed that if things weren't fixed in time there would be huge probleems. Yet, things some were not fixed and nothing happened. Fixed or not fixed.

Isn't that funny?

lmao

You remember the doom that happened on Y2K right?

I broke a nail on my computer. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

Damned technology!!!!

[Shiva Tech]

It dont think the Mayans predicted an apocolypse, merely an end of a cycle, like a zodiac sign (if your into that sort of stuff) doesnt mean the end of time, it is supposed to indicate a period relevent to people born under that sign.

The computer prediction and Moores law is very similar. We can actually work out, from experience that certain trends in technology can, with foresight, tell us what new information and ways of processing that information will be.

What a difference to the world global communication has made, but that could be predicted when the first radio's and telephones were invented. I'm sure there were people breaking nails on that technology when it first appeared and also people with the imagination to see the potentials of it.

[BlackGuardXIII]

I totally didn't buy the y2k hype, and chuckled at friends who were freaking out.

[StonerBill]

well trippin, if a computer saved humanity, the programers would probably get the recognition. rightly so, i say

though it is an interesting thought

havnt you seen i-robot? :p

[BlackGuardXIII]

Waste not... Want not.

Except with weed. The latter part doesnt apply there. stonerbill




I have to ask......its been bugging me for a few days now.
Do you know what that saying means? If so, my apologies...
if not, the point it makes is that if you are careful with your supply and don't waste it, you will never go without, in other words, you'll never be left wanting, cuz you saved some.
The only reason I wondered is that for a couple of years long ago, I did not know that.

[Electricbuddha]

There are numerous theories floating around about the date December 21st, 2012 A.D., which the Ancient Mayans chose as the end of their Long Count calendar. Ancient Mesoameri people were skywatchers and they were able to pinpoint a winter solstice far off into the future, December 21st 2012 could it be the end of the world as we know it, or just another hoax?

Can i hear some thoughts,

Peace in the middle east
Yes it will be the end of the world as we know it but not the destruction of the earth.



It will be a birth into a new consciousness and change of value, connections of community and family… but it wont be a instant flash on 2012

[Goatman88]

Its already started guys. Look around you-older stuff like music is comin back bit by bit. People are changing. 2012 will be a great time to live no matter what happens.

[StonerBill]

yes but i was inferring at the time that i always want weed, because the phrase "want not" doesnt apply.

older stuff like music? what? music has always been around. bringing back music of the decades past is a clear show of why society will never change for the better, with that mindset.

[OnlyIdiotsLoveWar29]

From: The Mayan Prophecies by Adrian Gilbert pg. 211

"As we approach the doomsday year of 2012 which the ancient Mayans prophesied would be the end of the last age, one can only feel apprehension for the future of our Earth. The start of the last MAyan Age was the Birth of Venus, the Quetzalcoatl star on 12 August 3114 BC. On the last day of the age 22 December 2012, the cosmic connections between Venus, the sun and Pleiades, and Orion are once more in evidence. For just as Venus was indeed 'born' on the earlier date, it's rising just before the dawn being heralded by the Pleidaes at the meridian, so it now symbolically goes down on 22 December 2012, Venus will sink below the western horizon and at the same time the Pleiades will rise over the eastern. As the sun actually sets so Orion rises, perhaps signifying the start of a new precessional cycle and symbolically giving birth to a new world age."

Can this thread die now?

[MichaelByrd1967]

First of all your name is right, only Idiots Love War. And Second, This is the end Right Here. Second Age Of Aquarius, the second Hippie Revolution will begin.

[KevinSmith]

WOW, that is a VERY strange date indeed! I have been seeing the year 2012 appear more and more in the past few months and my fiance and I were discussing having our first child that year when I'm about 27-28. Strange thing, her birthday is Dec 21st as well! I had no idea about the Mayan calander.

My fiance and I know there is something big in our future and we're working on finding out what it is that we're destined to do.

I have a feeling the world is going to need repopulation after the year 2010-2012. It wont be everyone of course, but I think many of the earths population may die out. Don't ask why, I just have the feeling...

This may sound strange, but I believe, if it's possible, we may need to request the assistance of another civilization.

smlchance is exactly right. We humans HAVE always been just as smart, but also just as ignorant as we are now. Although I'd have to say, with all of our new technologies and 'innovations' we are more nieve/cocky now than ever before. As spirituality dies out, people will die out and it WILL start over. To deny the spirit is to deny life.

2012 - New Beginning?