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hippiehillbilly
05-31-2009, 02:09 AM
http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm

DOCTORS WARN: AVOID GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS

By Jeffrey Smith
May 30, 2009
NewsWithViews.com

On May 19th, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) called on “Physicians to educate their patients, the medical community, and the public to avoid GM (genetically modified) foods when possible and provide educational materials concerning GM foods and health risks.”[1] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn1) They called for a moratorium on GM foods, long-term independent studies, and labeling. AAEM’s position paper stated, “Several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food,” including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system. They conclude, “There is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects. There is causation,” as defined by recognized scientific criteria. “The strength of association and consistency between GM foods and disease is confirmed in several animal studies.”
More and more doctors are already prescribing GM-free diets. Dr. Amy Dean, a Michigan internal medicine specialist, and board member of AAEM says, “I strongly recommend patients eat strictly non-genetically modified foods.” Ohio allergist Dr. John Boyles says “I used to test for soy allergies all the time, but now that soy is genetically engineered, it is so dangerous that I tell people never to eat it.”
Dr. Jennifer Armstrong, President of AAEM, says, “Physicians are probably seeing the effects in their patients, but need to know how to ask the right questions.” World renowned biologist Pushpa M. Bhargava goes one step further. After reviewing more than 600 scientific journals, he concludes that genetically modified organisms (GMOs) are a major contributor to the sharply deteriorating health of Americans.

Pregnant women and babies at great risk
Among the population, biologist David Schubert of the Salk Institute warns that “children are the most likely to be adversely effected by toxins and other dietary problems” related to GM foods. He says without adequate studies, the children become “the experimental animals.”[2] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn2)
The experience of actual GM-fed experimental animals is scary. When GM soy was fed to female rats, most of their babies died within three weeks—compared to a 10% death rate among the control group fed natural soy.[3] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn3) The GM-fed babies were also smaller, and later had problems getting pregnant.[4] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn4)
When male rats were fed GM soy, their testicles actually changed color—from the normal pink to dark blue.[5] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn5) Mice fed GM soy had altered young sperm.[6] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn6) Even the embryos of GM fed parent mice had significant changes in their DNA.[7] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn7) Mice fed GM corn in an Austrian government study had fewer babies, which were also smaller than normal.[8] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn8)
Reproductive problems also plague livestock. Investigations in the state of Haryana, India revealed that most buffalo that ate GM cottonseed had complications such as premature deliveries, abortions, infertility, and prolapsed uteruses. Many calves died. In the US, about two dozen farmers reported thousands of pigs became sterile after consuming certain GM corn varieties. Some had false pregnancies; others gave birth to bags of water. Cows and bulls also became infertile when fed the same corn.[9] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn9)
In the US population, the incidence of low birth weight babies, infertility, and infant mortality are all escalating.

Food designed to produce toxin
GM corn and cotton are engineered to produce their own built-in pesticide in every cell. When bugs bite the plant, the poison splits open their stomach and kills them. Biotech companies claim that the pesticide, called Bt—produced from soil bacteria Bacillus thuringiensis—has a history of safe use, since organic farmers and others use Bt bacteria spray for natural insect control. Genetic engineers insert Bt genes into corn and cotton, so the plants do the killing.
The Bt-toxin produced in GM plants, however, is thousands of times more concentrated than natural Bt spray, is designed to be more toxic,[10] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn10) has properties of an allergen, and unlike the spray, cannot be washed off the plant.
Moreover, studies confirm that even the less toxic natural bacterial spray is harmful. When dispersed by plane to kill gypsy moths in the Pacific Northwest, about 500 people reported allergy or flu-like symptoms. Some had to go to the emergency room.[11] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn11), [12] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn12)
The exact same symptoms are now being reported by farm workers throughout India, from handling Bt cotton.[13] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn13) In 2008, based on medical records, the Sunday India reported, “Victims of itching have increased massively this year . . . related to BT cotton farming.”[14] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn14)

GMOs provoke immune reactions
AAEM states, “Multiple animal studies show significant immune dysregulation,” including increase in cytokines, which are “associated with asthma, allergy, and inflammation”—all on the rise in the US.
According to GM food safety expert Dr. Arpad Pusztai, changes in the immune status of GM animals are “a consistent feature of all the studies.”[15] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn15) Even Monsanto’s own research showed significant immune system changes in rats fed Bt corn.[16] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn16) A November 2008 by the Italian government also found that mice have an immune reaction to Bt corn.[17] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn17)
GM soy and corn each contain two new proteins with allergenic properties,[18] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn18) GM soy has up to seven times more trypsin inhibitor—a known soy allergen,[19] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn19) and skin prick tests show some people react to GM, but not to non-GM soy.[20] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn20) Soon after GM soy was introduced to the UK, soy allergies skyrocketed by 50%. Perhaps the US epidemic of food allergies and asthma is a casualty of genetic manipulation.

Animals dying in large numbers
In India, animals graze on cotton plants after harvest. But when shepherds let sheep graze on Bt cotton plants, thousands died. Post mortems showed severe irritation and black patches in both intestines and liver (as well as enlarged bile ducts). Investigators said preliminary evidence “strongly suggests that the sheep mortality was due to a toxin. . . . most probably Bt-toxin.”[21] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn21) In a small follow-up feeding study by the Deccan Development Society, all sheep fed Bt cotton plants died within 30 days; those that grazed on natural cotton plants remained healthy.
In a small village in Andhra Pradesh, buffalo grazed on cotton plants for eight years without incident. On January 3rd, 2008, the buffalo grazed on Bt cotton plants for the first time. All 13 were sick the next day; all died within 3 days.[22] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn22)
Bt corn was also implicated in the deaths of cows in Germany, and horses, water buffaloes, and chickens in The Philippines.[23] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn23)
In lab studies, twice the number of chickens fed Liberty Link corn died; 7 of 20 rats fed a GM tomato developed bleeding stomachs; another 7 of 40 died within two weeks.[24] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn24) Monsanto’s own study showed evidence of poisoning in major organs of rats fed Bt corn, according to top French toxicologist G. E. Seralini.[25] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn25)

Worst finding of all—GMOs remain inside of us
The only published human feeding study revealed what may be the most dangerous problem from GM foods. The gene inserted into GM soy transfers into the DNA of bacteria living inside our intestines and continues to function.[26] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn26) This means that long after we stop eating GMOs, we may still have potentially harmful GM proteins produced continuously inside of us. Put more plainly, eating a corn chip produced from Bt corn might transform our intestinal bacteria into living pesticide factories, possibly for the rest of our lives.
When evidence of gene transfer is reported at medical conferences around the US, doctors often respond by citing the huge increase of gastrointestinal problems among their patients over the last decade. GM foods might be colonizing the gut flora of North Americans.

Warnings by government scientists ignored and denied
Scientists at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had warned about all these problems even in the early 1990s. According to documents released from a lawsuit, the scientific consensus at the agency was that GM foods were inherently dangerous, and might create hard-to-detect allergies, poisons, gene transfer to gut bacteria, new diseases, and nutritional problems. They urged their superiors to require rigorous long-term tests.[27] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn27) But the White House had ordered the agency to promote biotechnology and the FDA responded by recruiting Michael Taylor, Monsanto’s former attorney, to head up the formation of GMO policy. That policy, which is in effect today, denies knowledge of scientists’ concerns and declares that no safety studies on GMOs are required. It is up to Monsanto and the other biotech companies to determine if their foods are safe. Mr. Taylor later became Monsanto’s vice president.

Dangerously few studies, untraceable diseases
AAEM states, “GM foods have not been properly tested” and “pose a serious health risk.” Not a single human clinical trial on GMOs has been published. A 2007 review of published scientific literature on the “potential toxic effects/health risks of GM plants” revealed “that experimental data are very scarce.” The author concludes his review by asking, “Where is the scientific evidence showing that GM plants/food are toxicologically safe, as assumed by the biotechnology companies?”[28] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn28)

Famed Canadian geneticist David Suzuki answers, “The experiments simply haven’t been done and we now have become the guinea pigs.” He adds, “Anyone that says, ‘Oh, we know that this is perfectly safe,’ I say is either unbelievably stupid or deliberately lying.”[29] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn29)
Dr. Schubert points out, “If there are problems, we will probably never know because the cause will not be traceable and many diseases take a very long time to develop.” If GMOs happen to cause immediate and acute symptoms with a unique signature, perhaps then we might have a chance to trace the cause.

This is precisely what happened during a US epidemic in the late 1980s. The disease was fast acting, deadly, and caused a unique measurable change in the blood—but it still took more than four years to identify that an epidemic was even occurring. By then it had killed about 100 Americans and caused 5,000-10,000 people to fall sick or become permanently disabled. It was caused by a genetically engineered brand of a food supplement called L-tryptophan.

If other GM foods are contributing to the rise of autism, obesity, diabetes, asthma, cancer, heart disease, allergies, reproductive problems, or any other common health problem now plaguing Americans, we may never know. In fact, since animals fed GMOs had such a wide variety of problems, susceptible people may react to GM food with multiple symptoms. It is therefore telling that in the first nine years after the large scale introduction of GM crops in 1996, the incidence of people with three or more chronic diseases nearly doubled, from 7% to 13%.[30] (http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey125.htm#_ftn30)
To help identify if GMOs are causing harm, the AAEM asks their “members, the medical community, and the independent scientific community to gather case studies potentially related to GM food consumption and health effects, begin epidemiological research to investigate the role of GM foods on human health, and conduct safe methods of determining the effect of GM foods on human health.”
Citizens need not wait for the results before taking the doctors advice to avoid GM foods. People can stay away from anything with soy or corn derivatives, cottonseed and canola oil, and sugar from GM sugar beets—unless it says organic or “non-GMO.” There is a pocket Non-GMO Shopping Guide (http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Non-GMOShopping/index.cfm), co-produced by the Institute for Responsible Technology and the Center for Food Safety, which is available as a download, as well as in natural food stores and in many doctors’ offices.
If even a small percentage of people choose non-GMO brands, the food industry will likely respond as they did in Europe—by removing all GM ingredients. Thus, AAEM’s non-GMO prescription may be a watershed for the US food supply.
Footnotes:
1, Genetically Modified Foods (http://www.aaemonline.org/gmopost.html)
2, David Schubert, personal communication to H. Penfound, Greenpeace Canada, October 25, 2002.
3, Irina Ermakova, “Genetically modified soy leads to the decrease of weight and high mortality of rat pups of the first generation. Preliminary studies,” Ecosinform 1 (2006): 4–9.
4, Irina Ermakova, “Experimental Evidence of GMO Hazards,” Presentation at Scientists for a GM Free Europe, EU Parliament, Brussels, June 12, 2007.
5, Irina Ermakova, “Experimental Evidence of GMO Hazards,” Presentation at Scientists for a GM Free Europe, EU Parliament, Brussels, June 12, 2007.
6, L. Vecchio et al, “Ultrastructural Analysis of Testes from Mice Fed on Genetically Modified Soybean,” European Journal of Histochemistry 48, no. 4 (Oct–Dec 2004):449–454.
7, Oliveri et al., “Temporary Depression of Transcription in Mouse Pre-implantion Embryos from Mice Fed on Genetically Modified Soybean,” 48th Symposium of the Society for Histochemistry, Lake Maggiore (Italy), September 7–10, 2006
8, Alberta Velimirov and Claudia Binter, “Biological effects of transgenic maize NK603xMON810 fed in long term reproduction studies in mice,” Forschungsberichte der Sektion IV, Band 3/2008
9, Jerry Rosman, personal communication, 2006
10, See for example, A. Dutton, H. Klein, J. Romeis, and F. Bigler, “Uptake of Bt-toxin by herbivores feeding on transgenic maize and consequences for the predator Chrysoperia carnea,” Ecological Entomology 27 (2002): 441–7; and J. Romeis, A. Dutton, and F. Bigler, “Bacillus thuringiensis toxin (Cry1Ab) has no direct effect on larvae of the green lacewing Chrysoperla carnea (Stephens) (Neuroptera: Chrysopidae),” Journal of Insect Physiology 50, no. 2–3 (2004): 175–183.
11, Washington State Department of Health, “Report of health surveillance activities: Asian gypsy moth control program,” (Olympia, WA: Washington State Dept. of Health, 1993).
12, M. Green, et al., “Public health implications of the microbial pesticide Bacillus thuringiensis: An epidemiological study, Oregon, 1985-86,” Amer. J. Public Health 80, no. 7(1990): 848–852.
13, Ashish Gupta et. al., “Impact of Bt Cotton on Farmers’ Health (in Barwani and Dhar District of Madhya Pradesh),” Investigation Report, Oct–Dec 2005.
14, Sunday India, October, 26, 2008
15, October 24, 2005 correspondence between Arpad Pusztai and Brian John
16, John M. Burns, “13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food Consumption Determination with PMI Certified Rodent Diet #5002 (http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/content/sci_tech/prod_safety/fullratstudy.pdf),” December 17, 2002
17, Alberto Finamore, et al, “Intestinal and Peripheral Immune Response to MON810 Maize Ingestion in Weaning and Old Mice,” J. Agric. Food Chem., 2008, 56 (23), pp 11533–11539, November 14, 2008
18, See L Zolla, et al, “Proteomics as a complementary tool for identifying unintended side effects occurring in transgenic maize seeds as a result of genetic modifications,” J Proteome Res. 2008 May;7(5):1850-61; Hye-Yung Yum, Soo-Young Lee, Kyung-Eun Lee, Myung-Hyun Sohn, Kyu-Earn Kim, “Genetically Modified and Wild Soybeans: An immunologic comparison,” Allergy and Asthma Proceedings 26, no. 3 (May–June 2005): 210-216(7); and Gendel, “The use of amino acid sequence alignments to assess potential allergenicity of proteins used in genetically modified foods,” Advances in Food and Nutrition Research 42 (199http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif, 45–62.
19, A. Pusztai and S. Bardocz, “GMO in animal nutrition: potential benefits and risks,” Chapter 17, Biology of Nutrition in Growing Animals, R. Mosenthin, J. Zentek and T. Zebrowska (Eds.) Elsevier, October 2005
20, Hye-Yung Yum, Soo-Young Lee, Kyung-Eun Lee, Myung-Hyun Sohn, Kyu-Earn Kim, “Genetically Modified and Wild Soybeans: An immunologic comparison,” Allergy and Asthma Proceedings 26, no. 3 (May–June 2005): 210-216(7).
21, “Mortality in Sheep Flocks after Grazing on Bt Cotton Fields—Warangal District, Andhra Pradesh (http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp)” Report of the Preliminary Assessment, April 2006.
22, Personal communication and visit, January 2009
23, Jeffrey M. Smith, Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods (http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NWVS&Product_Code=B48&Category_Code=BOOKS), Yes! Books, Fairfield, IA USA 2007
24, Arpad Pusztai, “Can Science Give Us the Tools for Recognizing Possible Health Risks for GM Food?” Nutrition and Health 16 (2002): 73–84
25, Stéphane Foucart, “Controversy Surrounds a GMO (http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/content/sci_tech/prod_safety/fullratstudy.pdf),” Le Monde, 14 December 2004; referencing, John M. Burns, “13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food Consumption Determination with PMI Certified Rodent Diet #5002,” December 17, 2002.
26, Netherwood et al, “Assessing the survival of transgenic plant DNA in the human gastrointestinal tract,” Nature Biotechnology 22 (2004): 2.
27, See memos (http://www.biointegrity.org/)
28, José Domingo, “Toxicity Studies of Genetically Modified Plants : A Review of the Published Literature,” Critical reviews in food science and nutrition, 2007, vol. 47, no8, pp. 721-733.
29, Angela Hall, “Suzuki warns against hastily accepting GMOs”, The Leader-Post (Canada), 26 April 2005.
30, Kathryn Anne Paez, et al, “Rising Out-Of-Pocket Spending For Chronic Conditions: A Ten-Year Trend,” Health Affairs, 28, no. 1 (2009): 15-25.

© 2008 Jeffrey Smith - All Rights Reserved

Fyrenza
06-03-2009, 03:30 AM
Okay, they're horrible and terrible! :eek:

Now,

what exactly are we eating that CONTAIN(S) GM crops and organisms?

i found this:

http://www.rense.com/politics6/gms.htm

but that isn't NEARLY the complete list.

Found this, too:

http://truefoodnow.org/

Cripes.

Mrdude46
06-03-2009, 03:32 AM
I eat mostly organic

at least 90%


I don't eat frankenfoods

Fyrenza
06-03-2009, 03:36 AM
I eat mostly organic

at least 90%


I don't eat frankenfoods

That's just it, though ~

you THINK it's all natural, the way you WANT it to be "All Natural;"

however, a lot of the organisms and substances ARE ORGANIC,

so...

european
06-03-2009, 04:20 AM
© 2008 Jeffrey Smith - All Rights Reserved

umm.

earthmother
06-03-2009, 04:34 AM
Organic doesn't really enter into it too much at this point, even tho GM plants apparently NEED chemicals to thrive. It is the altered genes that really do the dirty work, and those kind of plants can CROSS POLLINATE with other plants and the resulting seeds have the altered genes... Which means that even some organic foods could have the altered genes... Unless of course you grow those vegies from certified GM free seed...

Fyrenza
06-03-2009, 04:51 AM
Organic doesn't really enter into it too much at this point, even tho GM plants apparently NEED chemicals to thrive. It is the altered genes that really do the dirty work, and those kind of plants can CROSS POLLINATE with other plants and the resulting seeds have the altered genes... Which means that even some organic foods could have the altered genes... Unless of course you grow those vegies from certified GM free seed...

AND in areas that can be GUARANTEED to disallow the cross-pollination ~

i was reading about some of the crops that have RUINED other farmer's GM-free crops by this.

It's sort of another one of those things, that

if it's happening HERE?

It's happening EVERYWHERE.

There's no way to control it, anymore, imho.

hippiehillbilly
06-03-2009, 01:43 PM
I eat mostly organic

at least 90%


I don't eat frankenfoods


there is no federal law saying "organic" can not be GMO.

in fact did you know that 99.9% of all soybean grown in the united states and well over 70% worldwide is GMO ?(thus why all the veggie burgers are on the list of GMO products )

think about that the next time your enjoying your big slab of tofu or veggie burger.:D

the fact of the matter is that the "organic" label in america is somewhat of a joke as not only are GMO's allowed but many pesticides and fertilizers are allowed to be used, yet the products can still be labeled "organic".

i would provide a link but i have a busy day ahead of me. if you insist on proof maybe i will have time to dig it up this evening..

Mrdude46
06-03-2009, 02:50 PM
I don't eat anything with soy or corn.

I think I read that 90% of them are GMOed

Rats fed GMO soy all die in less tham 3 months

earthmother
06-03-2009, 05:32 PM
There are a few places that are relatively safe. Like here, where there are NO big farmers growing any of this nonsense within 50 miles at least. In fact, this farm is almost a mile from the next kitchen garden. And we save our seeds as much as possible, and the rest we get from a place that tests the seed for purity before they sell it. No one is completely safe tho, unless you don't eat ANYTHING from the store. And it's probably only a safe GUESS that the wheat I'm getting from the Amish is not contaminated, even tho they are growing organic. But they are pretty secluded as far as being near any non-amish big farms growing wheat, so it probably IS a safe guess...

Fyrenza
06-03-2009, 05:42 PM
That's the horror of it, EM ~

All it takes is ONE cross-poll, and odds are, it wouldn't take a year for it to spread completely across the U.S.

It was Pandora's Box,

and now that it's open,

there's no way to push everything back in and re-close it... :(

european
06-03-2009, 06:04 PM
Yes there is Fyrenza it's called nature.

GM crops are known for reverting back to the original strain.

Fyrenza
06-03-2009, 06:08 PM
there is no federal law saying "organic" can not be GMO.

in fact did you know that 99.9% of all soybean grown in the united states and well over 70% worldwide is GMO ?(thus why all the veggie burgers are on the list of GMO products )

think about that the next time your enjoying your big slab of tofu or veggie burger.:D

the fact of the matter is that the "organic" label in america is somewhat of a joke as not only are GMO's allowed but many pesticides and fertilizers are allowed to be used, yet the products can still be labeled "organic".

i would provide a link but i have a busy day ahead of me. if you insist on proof maybe i will have time to dig it up this evening..

You brought up an excellent point ~

EVERYTHING is "Organic."

ALL of the "ingredients" in anything are organic.

or⋅gan⋅ic  /ɔrˈgænɪk/ [awr-gan-ik] –adjective

1. noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.

Fyrenza
06-03-2009, 06:26 PM
Yes there is Fyrenza it's called nature.

GM crops are known for reverting back to the original strain.

Links?

'Cuz here's what i'm finding:

http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/gm_crops_animal_feed.html

and

http://www.plantpharma.org/2007/08/hitchhikers-guide-to-science/

which, if you'll read the article, i'd like to speak to this part of:

The problems start when a plant is modified, for example, to cope with specific herbicides or insects. If these genes get released into the wild plant populations they will alter this delicate ecosystem, and it may not be able to cope. Worst-case scenario could be that we lose some species altogether and have some plants becoming dominant and growing uncontrollably. The stringent control of GM technologies is paramount to their safety and success, and there are numerous efforts to decrease these potentially devastating effects on the natural plant populations.

We are experiencing these effects, right now,

today,

in the various plants that have been GM'ed and are now considered INVASIVE.

They are resistant to herbicides, will choke out other plants, including WEEDS,

and they don't reproduce via germination.

Fyrenza
06-03-2009, 06:29 PM
Tonight, Dilli might be available, and i believe she knows a thing or two about all of this! ;)

european
06-03-2009, 06:40 PM
Here you go.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325153201.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050323115547.htm

Mrdude46
06-04-2009, 04:14 PM
You brought up an excellent point ~

EVERYTHING is "Organic."

ALL of the "ingredients" in anything are organic.

Everything that grows is organic, however the legal standard for "product" to be called organic is another thing.

Frankenfoods are bad real bad.

Canola oil
Soy
Corn
Tomatoes
Sugar
Beets

To name a few are mostly (at least 70%) are GMOed.

Something that has not been mentioned is that all GMOed crops have a terminator gene. This means that the seeds will not grow after the first generation.
This is important, once the world has been contaminated with GMO seeds nothing else will grow. Everyone will have to buy seeds from Monsanto or go hungry.
Eat whatever you want, the will kill you one bit at a time.

High Fructose Corn Syrup causes diabetes
ALL GMOed FOODS CAUSE AN ALLERGIC REACTION IN ALL WHO EAT THEM.

Why fuck with the food, there can be no other reason other than to corrupt us by what we eat.
The more people who get sick (diabetes cancer and more) become new customers to the Pharamacon business.

Eat what you want, but some day you regret it.

How do I avoid this shit, I eat mostly whole grains that are organic and fresh vegies that I grow.

So if you think that eating this shit is OK then keep drinking your soft drinks with HFCS, and eating your prepared foods and get ready to become a new customer of the Pharamacon industry.

Genetically Modified Foods Have Serious Health Risks
The Science Behind the Anti-biotech Movement
by Jeffrey M. Smith

In the summer of 2002, the British government sponsored the first-ever research on genetically modified food (GMOs) using human subjects. Researchers fed seven volunteers a single meal of soy burgers and soy milkshakes. The soy was genetically modified, as are 80 percent of the soybeans planted in the US.

The volunteers were selected because they had all previously had their lower intestines removed and were using a colostomy bag — the bag collected digested material after it passed through the small intestine. Researchers were surprised to discover that in every case, a large amount of genetically modified DNA survived digestion and remained intact. (Biotech companies had insisted that DNA is broken down.) Moreover, the modified gene from the soybean transferred into DNA of bacteria inside the gut of three volunteers. Their intestinal bacteria, like GMO soybeans, contained a foreign gene that allowed the bacteria to survive a dose of weed killer. No one knows what the health consequences of this are.

Scientists are more concerned about a related danger. Most genetically engineered crops contain an antibiotic resistant marker (ARM) gene. These allow the cells to survive an otherwise deadly application of antibiotics. The ARM gene used in GMO corn, for example, confers resistance to the antibiotic, ampicillin. What if an ARM gene jumped from our corn muffins into our gut bacteria? Could bacteria in our body become resistant to antibiotics?

The British Medical Association thinks so and cited this serious risk as one of their reasons for wanting an immediate moratorium on genetically engineered foods. Likewise, when FDA scientists were asked in 1992 to approve ARM genes in the first GMO crop, a tomato (no longer on the market), they were against it. The director of the Division of Anti-infective Drug Products wrote in all capital letters: "IT WOULD BE A SERIOUS HEALTH HAZARD TO INTRODUCE A GENE THAT CODES FOR ANTI-BIOTIC RESISTANCE INTO THE NORMAL FLORA OF THE GENERAL POPULATION." Political appointees overrode the scientists’ recommendations and approved ARM genes, siding with the biotech industry that assured them that DNA was destroyed during digestion, and that genes could not transfer to gut bacteria.

Having disproved these assumptions, the soy burger study raises a more serious threat. Before inserting a foreign gene, engineers attach a promoter to keep the gene permanently switched on. Promoters overpower the cells’ regulatory system, which normally turn on genes only as needed. But promoters can sometimes unintentionally switch on other naturally occurring genes in the DNA, causing them to pump out potentially toxic or allergenic proteins. Scientists are afraid that if these promoters transferred to bacteria or internal organs, they might turn genes on at random or create unstable DNA.

Stanley Ewen, one of Scotland’s leading experts in tissue disease, believes that promoters might generate uncontrolled cell growth that could theoretically lead to cancer. Evidence of unusually high cell growth in the digestive tract of animals was discovered in three of the ten published animal feeding studies on GMO foods. (Two showed increased cell growth. One showed increased weight of the intestines. The other seven were not necessarily designed to detect such changes.) In addition to the cell growth, a study published in the prestigious Lancet found that young GMO-fed rats also had more sluggish immune systems, partial atrophy of the liver, and smaller brains, livers, and testicles. Researchers believe that the unstable, unregulated, and aggressive promoter may be the culprit.

In the absence of long-term safety tests, many people avoid eating GMO foods. The four main GMO crops (unless labeled organic or non-GMO) are soy, corn, cottonseed oil, and canola oil. Monsanto is now trying to introduce GMO wheat.

Jeffrey Smith is author of Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies about the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You’re Eating. To order, call 888-717-7000, or click here.

earthmother
06-04-2009, 06:01 PM
Ya know, we wouldn't be in this position if some schmuck at some point in time wouldn't have decided that eating chemicals was what we needed to be doing... I mean, come on! Who in their right mind wants to eat stuff they can't even pronounce most of? Seems like humans just keep gettin' stupider and stupider all the time. Your choice: a plate of homegrown veggies, or a plate of chemicals -artificial flavor, artificial color, artificial preservatives, artificial food.... JEEZUS!!! But WE are REAL....

stinkfoot
06-04-2009, 06:15 PM
I really need to do some digging because there's so much I want to add to this discussion... about how Monsanto and the United States Government (FDA) conspired not only to "fast track" the approval of genetically modified foods but to make it illegal to label other foods as not modified... that a (lawyer?) for Monsanto resigned and joined the FDA to effect this approval then when the dirty deed was done rejoined Monsanto... I have to do research though and I do not have the time at the moment. Basically it's another example of the United States government aiding and abetting criminal corporations in poisoning the population in the name of obscene profit.

Rudenoodle
06-04-2009, 06:17 PM
Has there ever been a death or severe illness directly connected with G.M food?

european
06-04-2009, 06:50 PM
Has there ever been a death or severe illness directly connected with G.M food?

You means besides pigs become infertile if on a GM only diet ?

note: pigs return to fertility fater they come off it. I personal will wait a decade or two before I would claim to believe if it has long term negitive health issues.

note: I don't support GM products. Despite the links I provided in a pervious post, which were provided to retort the cliam GM crops irreversibly damaging the wild seed/crop food chain. and no, I have come to no personal conclusion on the matter. and further more I feel the GM developers to be trying to make a strain that does not revert to the Grandparent.

hippiehillbilly
06-04-2009, 06:52 PM
Has there ever been a death or severe illness directly connected with G.M food?


from the OP.

This is precisely what happened during a US epidemic in the late 1980s. The disease was fast acting, deadly, and caused a unique measurable change in the blood—but it still took more than four years to identify that an epidemic was even occurring. By then it had killed about 100 Americans and caused 5,000-10,000 people to fall sick or become permanently disabled. It was caused by a genetically engineered brand of a food supplement called L-tryptophan.

Mrdude46
06-04-2009, 06:58 PM
Has there ever been a death or severe illness directly connected with G.M food?


Yes many people have had extreme allergic reactions from them.

I never had any bad experiences but I avoid them like the plague

Dan

sunfighter
06-04-2009, 07:00 PM
As I recall, the attempts by American agri-business to allow GMO foods to be labelled organic if they otherwise are, failed.

So, I believe that if products are labelled "organic", they cannot be GMO. Am I right?

hippiehillbilly
06-04-2009, 07:03 PM
I really need to do some digging because there's so much I want to add to this discussion... about how Monsanto and the United States Government (FDA) conspired not only to "fast track" the approval of genetically modified foods but to make it illegal to label other foods as not modified... that a (lawyer?) for Monsanto resigned and joined the FDA to effect this approval then when the dirty deed was done rejoined Monsanto... I have to do research though and I do not have the time at the moment. Basically it's another example of the United States government aiding and abetting criminal corporations in poisoning the population in the name of obscene profit.
you only need to google "monsanto revolving door washington " to see the truth.

Labeling Issues, Revolving Doors, rBGH, Bribery and Monsanto (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Labeling_Issues%2C_Revolving_Doors %2C_rBGH%2C_Bribery_and_Monsanto)


A Taylor-made Wolff in the USDA Henhouse? (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/19/21476/235/208/663887)

stinkfoot
06-04-2009, 07:03 PM
As I recall, the attempts by American agri-business to allow GMO foods to be labelled organic if they otherwise are, failed.

So, I believe that if products are labelled "organic", they cannot be GMO. Am I right?

I sincerely hope you're right but it wouldn't surprise me that loopholes were lawyered into it.

Fyrenza
06-04-2009, 07:03 PM
I really need to do some digging because there's so much I want to add to this discussion... about how Monsanto and the United States Government (FDA) conspired not only to "fast track" the approval of genetically modified foods but to make it illegal to label other foods as not modified... that a (lawyer?) for Monsanto resigned and joined the FDA to effect this approval then when the dirty deed was done rejoined Monsanto... I have to do research though and I do not have the time at the moment. Basically it's another example of the United States government aiding and abetting criminal corporations in poisoning the population in the name of obscene profit.

OMG!!! :eek:

Is that ... ?

No! It can't be ...

Can it ... ?


A MOD WITH A CONSPIRACY THEORY???

roflmao!!! ;)

Be careful ~ you might have to move this thread... :rofl:

hippiehillbilly
06-04-2009, 07:11 PM
As I recall, the attempts by American agri-business to allow GMO foods to be labelled organic if they otherwise are, failed.

So, I believe that if products are labelled "organic", they cannot be GMO. Am I right?

i guess that is correct now. that must be a fairly recent change.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/HS397

it does however allow for crops contaminated by cross pollination by them to still be marketed as organic..

When Organic Isn't Really Organic (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1599110,00.html)

tculi
06-04-2009, 07:13 PM
yep. pretty much all modern food or anything is bad for you. its fucking ridiculous. pesticides, herbicides, steroids, horomones, microwaving food, air conditioning, air fresheners, aerosols, toothpaste, tap water, deodorant, water bottles and to top it off.. the fucking air we breathe. and whats to blame? greed. hah.

stinkfoot
06-04-2009, 07:32 PM
It's very nice to see you up and active Fyr! :)

OMG!!! :eek:

Is that ... ?

No! It can't be ...

Can it ... ?


A MOD WITH A CONSPIRACY THEORY???

roflmao!!! ;)

Be careful ~ you might have to move this thread... :rofl:

Rudenoodle
06-04-2009, 08:10 PM
Yes many people have had extreme allergic reactions from them.

I never had any bad experiences but I avoid them like the plague

Dan

Many people are allergic to all natural foods like peanuts ect'

Does that mean certain foods should be banned?

european
06-04-2009, 08:57 PM
Many people are allergic to all natural foods like peanuts ect'
Does that mean certain foods should be banned?

Superfluous additives and modifications, yes.

sunfighter
06-04-2009, 09:00 PM
Please provide a link to info about allergies to GM food. I've never heard of that.

european
06-04-2009, 09:07 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Allergies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_food_controversy#Allergenicity

Rudenoodle
06-04-2009, 09:11 PM
Superfluous additives and modifications, yes.

Superfluous additives?

european
06-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Superfluous additives?

Wheres the question ?

sunfighter
06-04-2009, 09:18 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food#Allergies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_food_controversy#Allergenicity

Thanks! Interesting. Bears watching, but doesn't seem to be a big problem so far.

Fyrenza
06-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Superfluous additives?

Yeah.

Stuff you really DON't need...

like vitamins.

Vitamins are "good," eh?

Extra vitamins are extra "good," right?

Wrong.

Young folks can, and DO, OD :eek: on vitamins,

and ANY folks can have reactions between their meds and the vitamins that, imho, ARE "superfluous additives."

odon
06-04-2009, 10:19 PM
Something that has not been mentioned is that all GMOed crops have a terminator gene. This means that the seeds will not grow after the first generation.


This is not true.

ALL GMOed FOODS CAUSE AN ALLERGIC REACTION IN ALL WHO EAT THEM.

This is not true.

Most genetically engineered crops contain an antibiotic resistant marker (ARM) gene. These allow the cells to survive an otherwise deadly application of antibiotics. The ARM gene used in GMO corn, for example, confers resistance to the antibiotic, ampicillin. What if an ARM gene jumped from our corn muffins into our gut bacteria? Could bacteria in our body become resistant to antibiotics?

1 study (newer than 1992):

Professor Gillespie comments: "antibiotic-resistance markers do not pose a substantial risk to human health because the contribution that recombinant bacteria might make--should the enormous barriers to transfer be overcome--is so small that any contribution to antibiotic resistance made by GM plants must be overwhelmed by the contribution made by antibiotic prescription in clinical practice."

The lancet.

Different markers, different approaches

On 2 April 2004, the GMO (http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/glossary/115.genetically_modified_organism_gmo.html) Panel, a committee of experts under the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) (http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/glossary/183.efsa.html), submitted a report on antibiotic resistance marker genes (http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/glossary/62.antibiotic_resistance_gene.html). According to the experts, a general ban on the use of antibiotic resistance marker genes is not justified. Nonetheless, EFSA suggests a careful approach to their use on an individual basis: some should be not be used at all, and others should be used on a limited basis. The nptII marker gene, which is used in most GM plants and imparts resistance to kanamycin (http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/glossary/128.kanamycin_resistance.html), may continue being used without restriction.

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/safety/human_health/46.antibiotic_resistance_genes_threat.html

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/safety/human_health/126.position_efsa_antibiotic_resistance_markers.ht ml

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/safety/human_health/192.gmos_mean_more_allergies.html

(Good site as it has NEW information.)

Rudenoodle
06-04-2009, 10:38 PM
Wheres the question ?

What is the definition of superfluous?

I'm having a hard time finding one. :tongue:

odon
06-04-2009, 10:44 PM
What is the definition of superfluous?

I'm having a hard time finding one. :tongue:

I think he means altering or adding something that doesn't need it.
The big question: Why are modifying and/or adding - he may argue - superfluous additives/additions to our foods?

adjective 1.being more than is sufficient or required; excessive.2.unnecessary or needless.3.Obsolete. possessing or spending more than enough or necessary; extravagant.

sunfighter
06-04-2009, 10:46 PM
superfluous -- in excess (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/excess) of what is required or sufficient

Jaitaiyai
06-04-2009, 10:52 PM
What is the definition of superfluous?

I'm having a hard time finding one. :tongue:SeeYeah.

Stuff you really DON't need...

like vitamins.

Vitamins are "good," eh?

Extra vitamins are extra "good," right?

Wrong.

Young folks can, and DO, OD :eek: on vitamins,

and ANY folks can have reactions between their meds and the vitamins that, imho, ARE "superfluous additives."

Even I could do that. =P

european
06-04-2009, 11:51 PM
[QUOTE=odon;5587917]I think he means altering or adding something that doesn't need it.
The big question: Why are modifying and/or adding - he may argue - superfluous additives/additions to our foods?

?? I'm not sure as to what youre asking. Why are..? What are ? Who are ? I can't figure out if there is a typo here and what the correct word is.

sooo...im going to take a guess and answer the question " What is being added for no good reason?"

I'll start will the classic of Monosodium glutamate (MSG #E612) and round off with the link to the wiki food additive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_additive) page and a quote from it....

"Some artificial food additives have been linked with cancer, digestive problems, and neurological conditions such as ADD, or diseases like heart disease or obesity.[citation needed] Even "natural" additives may be harmful, whether because of overuse (for example table salt) or because of natural toxicity. An example is safrole, which was used to flavour root beer until it was shown to be carcinogenic. Due to the application of the Delaney clause, it may not be added to foods, even though it occurs naturally in sassafras and sweet basil."

odon
06-05-2009, 12:05 AM
I did mean adding additives such as Monosodium glutamate.
As we are talking about GM I also said: altering or adding...

I meant: Why are...
Why are we altering our foods and why are they being tampered with?

Why do food scietists do this:

Food preservation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_preservation) - the causes and prevention of quality degradation
Food engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_engineering) - the industrial processes used to manufacture food
Product development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_development) - the invention of new food products

They would argue this improves our lives.

Why is our food being altered (GM)?

GM scietists would say:

Monsanto is an agricultural company. We are focused on applying innovation and technology to assist farmers around the world to be more successful, helping them produce healthier foods, better animal feeds and more fibre, while also reducing agriculture's footprint on our environment.
http://www.monsanto.co.uk/

Both seem positive...

You are apperently against the above as it is superfluous.

Rudenoodle
06-05-2009, 12:06 AM
Does G.M food have any positive benefits?

odon
06-05-2009, 12:12 AM
Does G.M food have any positive benefits?

I'd say, yes.

Rudenoodle
06-05-2009, 12:13 AM
US CALLS GM FOOD AID REFUSAL A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY - AFRICAN LEADERS SHOULD BE PUT ON TRIAL

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05442798
US calls food aid refusal a crime against humanity
Reuters

BRUSSELS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - African leaders who refuse to accept food aid due to fears of genetically modified products are committing crimes against humanity and should be put on trial, a senior U.S. official said on Thursday.

He said Europe, which has effectively banned the development and import of new genetically modified crops, should do more to help millions of people facing famine in southern Africa and reassure them over the safety of such crops.

http://ngin.tripod.com/061202a.htm

Whats everyone's opinion on this?

odon
06-05-2009, 12:35 AM
Whats everyone's opinion on this?

Listen to themselves:

USAID takes an integrated approach to ensure that countries can safely access biotechnology if they choose to do so and that a broader range of technology is available for the benefit small scale farmers. This is accomplished by building technical capacity in crop research and development and making sure that decision makers have the resources they need to make informed decisions about biotechnology and biosafety.

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/agriculture/biotechnology/index.html

Did they do that?

hippiehillbilly
06-05-2009, 12:40 AM
US CALLS GM FOOD AID REFUSAL A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY - AFRICAN LEADERS SHOULD BE PUT ON TRIAL

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05442798
US calls food aid refusal a crime against humanity
Reuters

BRUSSELS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - African leaders who refuse to accept food aid due to fears of genetically modified products are committing crimes against humanity and should be put on trial, a senior U.S. official said on Thursday.

He said Europe, which has effectively banned the development and import of new genetically modified crops, should do more to help millions of people facing famine in southern Africa and reassure them over the safety of such crops.

http://ngin.tripod.com/061202a.htm

Whats everyone's opinion on this?

i would say its more evidence that monsanto wishes to control the worlds food supply and will demonize and attack through their puppet government anyone who gets in their way.

in short,i think its bullshit..

Fyrenza
06-05-2009, 01:54 AM
Does G.M food have any positive benefits?

If you go to Monsanto's website,

they have a whole list of Pro's.

Otherwise,

i'm teasing you, here, okay? Well, and being a smart aleck! :p

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GM+crops+Pros+Cons

:rofl:

sunfighter
06-05-2009, 01:29 PM
Just to be clear, I avoid GM food and I'm angry that there isn't a labeling requirement. I do think this is an example of how agribusiness owns the government.

I think in the long run, we will regret allowing this. My opinion isn't scientific, but I have a strong gut feeling.

NotDeadYet
06-05-2009, 03:50 PM
I think in the long run, we will regret allowing this. My opinion isn't scientific, but I have a strong gut feeling.

I have that same feeling. I'm fucking tired of being a laboratory rat. Every "newer and better" thing that science comes out with turns out to have unintended, unanticipated consequences that are discovered years later, after many people have received massive exposure. I would like to opt out of that system.

european
06-05-2009, 05:35 PM
I did mean adding additives such as Monosodium glutamate.
As we are talking about GM I also said: altering or adding...

I meant: Why are...
Why are we altering our foods and why are they being tampered with?

Why do food scietists do this:

Food preservation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_preservation) - the causes and prevention of quality degradation
Food engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_engineering) - the industrial processes used to manufacture food
Product development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_development) - the invention of new food products

They would argue this improves our lives.

Why is our food being altered (GM)?

GM scietists would say:

Monsanto is an agricultural company. We are focused on applying innovation and technology to assist farmers around the world to be more successful, helping them produce healthier foods, better animal feeds and more fibre, while also reducing agriculture's footprint on our environment.
http://www.monsanto.co.uk/

Both seem positive...

You are apperently against the above as it is superfluous.

No points for you !

The very definition of the word superfluous is IMO the antithesis of Monsanto's "mission statment" . And the food bio-tech at whole.

Fyrenza
06-05-2009, 05:45 PM
No points for you !

The very definition of the word superfluous is IMO the antithesis of Monsanto's "mission statment" . And the food bio-tech at whole.

Uhhh...

Odon was just yanking your chain about the "superfluous" comment...

european
06-05-2009, 06:26 PM
Uhhh...

Odon was just yanking your chain about the "superfluous" comment...

If you think so. I see it as a clear patronization. The simple fact is, despite Monsanto's "mission statement"; they are evil fuckers. The concept of improving food however is of vital importance; if we are populating the planet at the current rate.

SO not superfluous.

HawaiianEye
06-05-2009, 06:49 PM
Whenever you mess with mother nature, often bad results happen.--Monsanto etc. a bunch of criminals looking to make alot of money while risking peoples health.--It's amazing this shit is actually allowed to go on.

HawaiianEye
06-05-2009, 07:03 PM
By the way since Monsanto is talking about all the advantages of it.Heres a suggestion,the CEO,board of directors,upper management etc.of Monsanto should use this junk only on themselves and their children for the next ten years.--Then a verdict will be in.--But I'll bet they would not touch it,even if forced at knifepoint.

stinkfoot
06-05-2009, 07:53 PM
Whenever you mess with mother nature, often bad results happen.--Monsanto etc. a bunch of criminals looking to make alot of money while risking peoples health.--It's amazing this shit is actually allowed to go on.

I couldn't agree more. The government (FDA) sets out exactly how close corporations can come to poisoning the population and the corporations will push that boundary in the name of profit.

By the way since Monsanto is talking about all the advantages of it.Heres a suggestion,the CEO,board of directors,upper management etc.of Monsanto should use this junk only on themselves and their children for the next ten years.--Then a verdict will be in.--But I'll bet they would not touch it,even if forced at knifepoint.

I like this. I would differ with anyone who would read "population control" into my take on this- though I wouldn't entirely discount the possibility. I think it's all in the name of profit. As far as I'm concerned the United States government is an organized criminal entity colluding with corporate entities it represents to funnel wealth away from the general population- who it does not represent- it has no intentions of looking out for us beyond the minimum necessary to keep us in the dark and placated.

odon
06-06-2009, 09:02 AM
No points for you !

The very definition of the word superfluous is IMO the antithesis of Monsanto's "mission statment" . And the food bio-tech at whole.

If you think so. I see it as a clear patronization. The simple fact is, despite Monsanto's "mission statement"; they are evil fuckers. The concept of improving food however is of vital importance; if we are populating the planet at the current rate.

SO not superfluous.

What I thought you meant was that GM food was superfluous.
Because we have non GM food already.
So I said why companies - such as Monsanto - created their products.
Now you say: "The concept of improving food however is of vital importance."
So, now you make my head spin.
Either you think GM food is not superfluous or you do not know what superfluous means. :rolleyes:

earthmother
06-06-2009, 03:50 PM
Funny thing, used to be, in the "old days" before Monsanto became the GM king, it was called something like "Monsanto Chemical Corp...." When did they all turn into farmers???

odon
06-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Funny thing, used to be, in the "old days" before Monsanto became the GM king, it was called something like "Monsanto Chemical Corp...." When did they all turn into farmers???

In the late 90s. :rolleyes:

By the late 1990s, Monsanto turned its focus to agriculture and started buying seed companies and genetic laboratories. In December 1999, Monsanto and Pharmicia & UpJohn announced an impending merger. Upon the completed merger in March 2000, the new company Pharmicia Corporation was created. The agricultural portion of the corporation has retained the Monsanto name.

What does the future hold for Monsanto? They have formed a wheat (http://www.naturalnews.com/wheat.html) industry advisory committee to provide advice and support for the best way to incorporate biotechnology (http://www.naturalnews.com/biotechnology.html) into the wheat industry. They are also marketing the drug L-DOPA (used to treat Parkinson's). They have also placed the first U.S. corporate order to GM for pickup trucks that use ethanol-based E85 fuel. This is part of a larger move on their part to focus new research toward the use of bioenergy resources. They are also currently involved in the current controversy involving recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone and the labeling of U.S. milk.

http://www.naturalnews.com/023094.html

Fyrenza
06-06-2009, 05:30 PM
What I thought you meant was that GM food was superfluous.
Because we have non GM food already.
So I said why companies - such as Monsanto - created their products.
Now you say: "The concept of improving food however is of vital importance."
So, now you make my head spin.
Either you think GM food is not superfluous or you do not know what superfluous means. :rolleyes:

DUDE!

i need some of what YOU're smokin'!!! :rofl:

odon
06-06-2009, 05:54 PM
DUDE!

i need some of what YOU're smokin'!!! :rofl:

Lol. It made sense didn't it?

european
06-07-2009, 08:42 AM
What I thought you meant was that GM food was superfluous.
Because we have non GM food already.
So I said why companies - such as Monsanto - created their products.
Now you say: "The concept of improving food however is of vital importance."
So, now you make my head spin.
Either you think GM food is not superfluous or you do not know what superfluous means. :rolleyes:

rolling you eyes eh.. is that for your fan club ?

Food bio-tech is not superfluous. To repeat myself...."Superfluous additives and modifications, yes. "

If YOU know the defintion of superfluous, then there is no problem here, is there ? You would of done better to attack what I considered the "superfluous" mods and adds to be.

P.S. to everybody else here, crossbreeding two strain using common methods used for centuries (which got us alot of our grains today i might add) is a form of genetic modification. Crossbreed something just to make it surrvive colder temps well, that's stupid.

odon
06-07-2009, 09:01 AM
rolling you eyes eh.. is that for your fan club ?

No.

If YOU know the defintion of superfluous, then there is no problem here, is there ? You would of done better to attack what I considered the "superfluous" mods and adds to be.

I was not attacking anything.
I simply thought what you said didn't make sense.

earthmother
06-08-2009, 03:19 PM
P.S. to everybody else here, crossbreeding two strain using common methods used for centuries (which got us alot of our grains today i might add) is a form of genetic modification. Crossbreed something just to make it surrvive colder temps well, that's stupid.

Not at all the same thing. Everything "domesticated" is created from crosses like that. WE are too... But that is what happens in NATURE. What Monsanto and the like are creating is something that would NOT ever happen in nature. And we don't know what will happen when these mutant genes get turned lose in nature...

european
06-08-2009, 04:05 PM
Not at all the same thing. Everything "domesticated" is created from crosses like that. WE are too... But that is what happens in NATURE. What Monsanto and the like are creating is something that would NOT ever happen in nature. And we don't know what will happen when these mutant genes get turned lose in nature...

I didnt say it was the exact same thing. I said it was a form of gentetic modification. please pay attention.

Your typing about things not ever happening in nature is incorrect too. plants/crops (whatever) can and sometimes do naturaly form defences against bugs and disease.

and finally...we will know in a decade or two. becuase they already have been turned loose. you need to catch up a bit.

Fyrenza
06-08-2009, 06:57 PM
I didnt say it was the exact same thing. I said it was a form of gentetic modification. please pay attention.

Your typing about things not ever happening in nature is incorrect too. plants/crops (whatever) can and sometimes do naturaly form defences against bugs and disease.

and finally...we will know in a decade or two. becuase they already have been turned loose. you need to catch up a bit.

You know what?

You're in a Private Forum, here.

We aren't in the habit of patronizing each other,

nor of being arrogantly insulting.

Oh. And sorry if it seemed like i was "cheering" Odon on ~

what he said DID make sense, but it was such a mindboggler that i teased him about it.

That was all.

Hope this helps! ;)

Rudenoodle
06-09-2009, 12:55 AM
You know what?

You're in a Private Forum, here.

We aren't in the habit of patronizing each other,

nor of being arrogantly insulting.

Oh. And sorry if it seemed like i was "cheering" Odon on ~

what he said DID make sense, but it was such a mindboggler that i teased him about it.

That was all.

Hope this helps! ;)

Do you purposely go out of your way to sound ignorant as fuck?

hippiehillbilly
06-09-2009, 01:57 AM
plants/crops (whatever) can and sometimes do naturaly form defences against bugs and disease.



weeds becoming resistant to monsatans own roundup is a perfect example..


everybody play nice or i will sick stinkfoot or ari on you..:eek:

stinkfoot
06-09-2009, 02:00 AM
everybody play nice or i will sick stinkfoot or ari on you..:eek:

*starts chewing through restraints*

Do these come in different flavors?

Fyrenza
06-09-2009, 03:38 AM
Do you purposely go out of your way to sound ignorant as fuck?

No...

not really...

sorry.

Rudenoodle
06-09-2009, 03:39 AM
No...

not really...

sorry.

Just checking!!!


:cool:

Fyrenza
06-09-2009, 03:50 AM
Euro seems like a pretty cool person,

but he's got us wrong ~

KC isn't going to take to kindly to his remarks,

and she shouldn't.

He was being patronizing and arrogantly insulting,

to folks that have been here, FOREVER,

and have more than just a couple of brain cells to rub together.

Euro is NEW, so instead of flaming him, i posted that post, hoping it wouldn't enrage him,

AND in hopes that he would STILL post, even though he's the only one on the other side.

BOTH SIDES bear hearing about, imho.

In fact, i almost offered to be on the other side, with him! ;) But, hey! If he doesn't want to be the Lone Ranger, i'll play Tonto for him.

i'm so sorry, Rude, 'cuz i really like you, but i think i get on your nerves...

Ah, well.

european
06-09-2009, 05:49 PM
I dont see myself as being on the other side at all. I doubt anybody here would suggest that we stop playing with GM in order to learn.

I have already stated im anti-GM. and that holds. I dont want GM in the food chain right now. I dont want the tech stoped.

Jaitaiyai
06-09-2009, 06:22 PM
Just checking!!!


:cool:It's even funnier with the thumbs up avatar! :D


Btw, Fy, I think I'm missing something but where did KC come into it? :confused:

Fyrenza
06-10-2009, 05:25 AM
Ooo

My bad...

i meant EM.

Also, i owe Odon an apology ~

sometimes, i'm so full of shit,

i remind myself of TheGanjaKing...

i shouldn't have butted in, because i don't know that much about it all, and i have a bunch of other things on my mind, making research sort of useless.

If y'all will excuse me,

i'll just slurk off to the nearest corner. :o

earthmother
06-11-2009, 05:55 PM
I didnt say it was the exact same thing. I said it was a form of gentetic modification. please pay attention.

Oh, I am...

Your typing about things not ever happening in nature is incorrect too. plants/crops (whatever) can and sometimes do naturaly form defences against bugs and disease.

Yea, and that is natural. But, just like I said.... (please read again.)

and finally...we will know in a decade or two. becuase they already have been turned loose. you need to catch up a bit.

I didn't say it hadn't. Only that we didn't know yet......