Video exposes ‘all whites are racist’ teachings

[Pressed_Rat]

Today I posted the YouTube video below on my blog. I thought some of you might be interested. Definitely check this video out. Personally, I wasn't surprised because this sort of communistic indoctrination is common on college campuses across the country. But this really takes the cake.

Below is what I posted on my blog.

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From YouTube:

In 2007, the University of Delaware's Office of Residence Life used mandatory activities to coerce students to change their thoughts, values, attitudes, beliefs, and habits to conform to a highly specified social, environmental, and political agenda. Following FIRE's campaign, which called the attention of the national media and the blogosphere to the Orwellian program, university President Patrick Harker terminated the program, effective immediately. This video explains the program's invasive thought-reform activities, the horrified reactions of students and the press, and FIRE's response.

My Comments:

Believe it or not, this Marxist, racist ideology is being taught on campuses all across the United States. No longer are colleges and universities places of learning, but centers of social engineering and mass indoctrination aimed at breaking individuals of their traditional beliefs and instilling the state-mandated beliefs deemed acceptable by the elite. It's all about getting people to accept a socialist one world government, where the only opinions one will be allowed to have are those deemed "politically correct," which are pre-approved by the state. It's a form a training that derives directly from the Soviet system of government. The war that is being waged is, more than anything, being waged against free and individual thought.

-MDJ

CLICK HERE TO WATCH THE VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EbQfmVoOfM)

[hotwater]

It's been my experience that most white people are racists, so I really don’t have a problem with asking them
to look into a mirror and ask “is this really what I am, what I’ve been taught, who I’ve become?” if they
answer YES, well I don’t have a problem with that either.



Hotwater

[def zeppelin]

A lot of people are racist, not just white people

[jamesrock]

[FONT=Verdana]It's been my experience that most white people are racists :(


Maybe you should look into going to Delaware Univ. Looks like they feel the same as you.

:cheers2:

[fitzy21]

haha they used marshmellows :D now that is awesome

serious note - wow...thats scary. i didn't even experience anything near that level of coercive thinking at my military school. yea, we had to go to classes and what not to learn about the schools history, had to repeat that knowledge as a group and what not, but we were never told what to think.

my god that is scary

[mamaKCita]

*sigh* whaddya gonna do? everyone's pretty racist.

[HawaiianEye]

I did not view the video,but just a general comment.Maybe it's human nature for people to be more comfortable among people wth similair backgrounds.And theres really nothing one can do about it.You cannot force the issue.

[HawaiianEye]

[QUOTE=hotwater;5466471]It's been my experience that most white people are racists, so I really don’t have a problem with asking them
]
Really?--Well we have a diverse population in Hawaii and everyone gets along pretty well.However we have very few blacks,maybe thats the reason.-------BTW,what about black racism against other blacks too.Don't put blacks on a pedestal.--Please don't take this personal because I'm not referring to you, but alot of people are sick of having the race card shoved in front of their face.The media often does that ie: Al Sharpton,Jesse jackson and similiar lowlifes. Those two alone are among the biggest black racists on the planet.----And I may be contradicting myself a little,but as far as I'm concerned the very word "racist" has lost all meaning,because it seems these days it's directed at people just because they may disagree with a certain viewpoint and so on.It also an insult to "real victims of racism of all backgrounds" to throw the word racist around for absolutely no valid reason.

[Pressed_Rat]

It's been my experience that most white people are racists

Really? The same people that made it possible for Obama to be elected?

[Aristartle]

Out of all the races in the Western Hemisphere, institutionally, whites are by far the most racist.

I have no qualms with these teachings.

[mamaKCita]

that doesn't surprise me at all. but i disagree completely.

[Aristartle]

Honestly, this was a student & soph organized and led orientation program. How does this have to do with the university?

[Duck]

We read about and debated about these classes in Enlgish class last semester. They are fucking sickening.

How come people do this? We take serious moves towards civil rights, racism goes down; reverse-racism skyrockets.
People are a joke.

Honestly, this was a student & soph organized and led orientation program. How does this have to do with the university?
There are college led 'Whiteness Study' groups and classes that are university ran all across the country. Regardless of if this one in the OP is or not.
In most of these classes, they tell white people about how good they have it, how hard it is to be a minority, and how they should reject the white label because of all the racism committed by whites.
We read about this one teacher that started having his students call themselves 'pale-skinned'.

It's like these people are in the fucking 60s. They should come around to my neighborhood and try to tell me how good I have it +_+

[HawaiianEye]

Out of all the races in the Western Hemisphere, institutionally, whites are by far the most racist.

.

I disagree. And again the word "racist" no longer has any meaning.

[Pressed_Rat]

Honestly, this was a student & soph organized and led orientation program. How does this have to do with the university?

What are you talking about? The university still heads the program.

[Aristartle]

Alright, let me clarify: I don't approve of this program. If were a Prof, I would be asking the resident President for a copy of the binder too. It's not appropriate.

However, that being said - I don't think this was about indoctrination whatsoever, period. This was a student fuck up who tried to create thought provoking orientation packages and activities that were supposed to be fun and challenging to students - and backed with an obvious premise that systems of government, etc. are oppressive.

But the challenge itself is a very good one. People should be testing the limits of what's comfortable for students in an appropriate way. That's what it is all about. It's not High School Part II. It's the real world.

[Pressed_Rat]

Out of all the races in the Western Hemisphere, institutionally, whites are by far the most racist.

And you're basing this on...??

I have no qualms with these teachings.

I am sure nobody is surprised.

[Aristartle]

What are you talking about? The university still heads the program.

What are you talking about? Everyone in the documentary just said it was the Resident Life President who was in charge of the program.

It's an orientation program run by students. How did you miss that fact?

O.O

[Pressed_Rat]

However, that being said - I don't think this was about indoctrination whatsoever, period. This was a student fuck up who tried to create though provoking orientation packages and activities that were supposed to be fun and challenging to students - and backed with an obvious premise that systems of government, etc. are oppressive.


The binder material was not created by the students. The students simply lead the orientation.

And it didn't say that "systems of government" are oppressive. It said that America is oppressive and racist.

[Aristartle]

We read about and debated about these classes in Enlgish class last semester. They are fucking sickening.

How come people do this? We take serious moves towards civil rights, racism goes down; reverse-racism skyrockets.
People are a joke.


There are college led 'Whiteness Study' groups and classes that are university ran all across the country. Regardless of if this one in the OP is or not.
In most of these classes, they tell white people about how good they have it, how hard it is to be a minority, and how they should reject the white label because of all the racism committed by whites.
We read about this one teacher that started having his students call themselves 'pale-skinned'.

It's like these people are in the fucking 60s. They should come around to my neighborhood and try to tell me how good I have it +_+

They should reject being white and all the approved status that comes along with it. Get with the times, brah. Racism is as prevalent as it was before the 60s. People are still forced to give up their status as Indians! There are over 100 million people that have been murdered because of the European conquerors. That doesn't even include centuries of black oppression. It's not like they are doing anybody any favours by trying to re-write history to make it seem like everything's fine now, and minorities have no barriers that they face when they attempt to assimilate into a white culture.

[fitzy21]

the lulz would be funny if this wasn't serious...

students work for the residential life which is run by the school. students don't just make up things and are able to make it mandatory for all of them. that is the school.

[Aristartle]

And you're basing this on...??



I am sure nobody is surprised.

I'm basing it on my own opinions. Go to the money. Who is the most racist and oppressive people in the world?

Rich white men are at the top. You think that's a fluke?

[Pressed_Rat]

Um, hello. Universities have something called Offices of Residence Life, which are part of the university itself. The students advisors who were in charge of administering the programs were paid by the university. The students themselves did not write the material.

[Aristartle]

The binder material was not created by the students. The students simply lead the orientation.

And it didn't say that "systems of government" are oppressive. It said that America is oppressive and racist.

You disagree with this statement, I take it?

I wonder what a survey of the entire world would look like if we asked people if they agreed or disagreed with that statement. :rolleyes:

[Pressed_Rat]

Rich white men are at the top. You think that's a fluke?

So the rich white men at the top represent all, or even the majorty, of white people?

Just wow!

[Aristartle]

Um, hello. Universities have something called Offices of Residence Life, which are part of the university itself. The students advisors who were in charge of administering the programs were paid by the university. The students themselves did not write the material.

*bangs head on desk*

You've never organized an orientation day, have you?

[TheMadcapSyd]

White people are just considered the most racist because the past 4 centuries have been a European dominated world followed by an American one and America was an experiment in putting dozens of cultures and races together in one country and for a while it was a mess, now it works pretty well. It's not even against other races, "Irish need not apply" signs, or those god damn wops, or massive hate for slavs in the first part of the 20th century. Hell Mediterranean people weren't even considered white until around 1900. And now because of white guilt I'd say white people are the least racist. Look at the amount of tolerance for anything by Arabs in the mid east, near nothing. Or Asians, you call a Japanese person Chinese, or a Korean person Japanese, they get flippin pissed.

[Aristartle]

So the rich white men at the top represent all, or even the majorty, of white people?

Just wow!

They represent the oppressors, don't they.

[hotwater]

We read about and debated about these classes in Enlgish class last semester. They are fucking sickening.

How come people do this? We take serious moves towards civil rights, racism goes down; reverse-racism skyrockets.
People are a joke.


There are college led 'Whiteness Study' groups and classes that are university ran all across the country. Regardless of if this one in the OP is or not.
In most of these classes, they tell white people about how good they have it, how hard it is to be a minority, and how they should reject the white label because of all the racism committed by whites.
We read about this one teacher that started having his students call themselves 'pale-skinned'.

It's like these people are in the fucking 60s. They should come around to my neighborhood and try to tell me how good I have it +_+


Until the old scars are healed between blacks and whites they'll remain and fester :(

But If you take personal responsibility and own up to your complicity to create a permanent black underclass,
the healing can begin and talk of reparations can commence http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Hotwater

[Pressed_Rat]

You disagree with this statement, I take it?

I wonder what a survey of the entire world would look like if we asked people if they agreed or disagreed with that statement. :rolleyes:

I believe that the American system of government is oppressive as it currently stands. There is a difference between a country's government and its people and founding principles. Are you too dense to understand that? A country and a country's government are two different things. To think a corrupt government represents the country and all of its people is just ignorant. America has been hijacked by a corrupt government that is ruled by foreign interests.

[Aristartle]

I believe that the American system of government is oppressive as it currently stands. There is a difference between a country's government and its people and founding principles. Are you too dense to understand that? A country and a country's government are two different things. To think a corrupt government represents the country and all of its people is just ignorant. America has been hijacked by a corrupt government that is ruled by foreign interests.

Which point in history did the American system of government stand as not being oppressive. I'd like to know, please.

[Aristartle]

Until the old scars are healed between blacks and whites they'll remain and fester :(

But If you take personal responsibility and own up to your complicity to create a permanent black underclass,
the healing can begin and talk of reparations can commence http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Hotwater



right on, man. Personal responsibility is what this generation does not understand.

[Pressed_Rat]

They represent the oppressors, don't they.

And who are the oppressors?

[HawaiianEye]

Talk of something as stupid as reparations even divides more.It probably will never happen and should never happen.And if it did I'd want Hawaii to renounce it's statehood.

[Pressed_Rat]

right on, man. Personal responsibility is what this generation does not understand.

Yes, and certainly liberals don't have the first clue about personal responsibility. It's probably why they depend on the state to run their lives.

[hotwater]

right on, man. Personal responsibility is what this generation does not understand.

Thanks :)

Pressed rat doesn't understand because in his mind he has bigger fish to fry and considers
anything less than exposing the NWO and the global elitists trivial :mad:


Hotwater

[Pressed_Rat]

Thanks :)

Pressed rat doesn't understand because in his mind he has bigger fish to fry and considers
anything less than exposing the exponents of the NWO and the global elitists trivial :mad:


Hotwater

What does reparations have to do with responsibility? Why should I be responsibile for paying reparations just because I am white? Now THAT is racist, and anyone who subscribes to that belief is themselves a racist bigot.

Most black people who have made something of themselves aren't calling for reparations, and most would probably be offended by the very idea of being paid reparations just because they're black. Most of the people calling for reparations are people who have been brainwashed into thinking that all their problems in life are because of white people. It's that same victim mentality that has probably kept many of them back to begin with.

[odon]

Today I posted the YouTube video below on my blog. I thought some of you might be interested. Definitely check this video out. Personally, I wasn't surprised because this sort of communistic indoctrination is common on college campuses across the country. But this really takes the cake.


It interested me. So I looked it up further.

'We are not mandating anything'


On Oct. 31, Vice President for Student Life Michael Gilbert, who oversees several university departments including Residence Life, wrote a response to FIRE's letter.

In his reply, Gilbert clarified that "students are not required to participate in any residential activity, educational program, or to maintain the University provided nametag on their door. We do, however, encourage students to participate in as many experiences as they are able as we believe this enhances their life at the University."

In an interview conducted on Monday, Nov. 5, Gilbert said there was miscommunication between Residence Life, its RAs and its residents. In turn, he said, he recommended to the president to immediately suspend the diversity-training program. Gilbert said the future of Residence Life is under further review, which includes "working this week to communicate with RAs" to "respond to any of their concerns."

"When we have these kinds of concerns - about lack of clarity, about expectations - and when we're not communicating well about the goals of the program or our own point of view about issues of diversity," Gilbert said, "[it is] all the more reason for us to say, 'Stop the program. This is a problem for students and a problem for the university.' "

Gilbert, who took his position at the university this past August, said he had not reviewed Residence Life's diversity-training program since he took office.

From a student's perspective, Fardanesh, who said "80 to 90 percent of his floor" were happier now that the program was dismantled, said Residence Life should return to a more relaxed approach to promoting residence hall harmony.

"If you want to have a meeting, then do ice breakers," he said. "You get to know other people in that way. You'll find out a lot more about them than this forced diversity [program]. There should be a tight bond on your floor. Not this. I think [Residence Life] ruined it."

Newman, who is now an RA-turned-resident, said he sees the role of the university and Residence Life differently.

"It is absolutely the university's responsibility to not only think about what [students] are learning in class, but what the environment is outside of class," he said. "The university isn't just a classroom. It's every building. It's every student. It's every staff member."

Harker, too, said he believes it is up to the university promote "basic citizenship and civility" in order to prepare its students for life after graduation.

"We are not mandating anything for anybody, but people, I think, will be much worse off if they don't at least question these things," he said. "Even if [students] come to the conclusion that they were right all along and they didn't need this, they should at least question. If people aren't doing that at a university, then they're not getting an education."

He acknowledged that the swift action in suspending the program three days after receiving FIRE's letter could make it appear as if the university followed the bidding of an interest group, but that assertion gives the "wrong impression."

Ultimately, Harker said it was his decision, along with the assistance of his senior management team that includes Gilbert, to suspend the program. He said a situation such as the suspension could have been handled in a more constructive way.

"The unfortunate fact is that there were faculty who had these concerns and rather than bring them to me as a faculty colleague and as president of this university, chose to take it outside," he said. "That is unfortunate because we as an administration want to be an open administration - open to criticism.

"Rather than do that, and rather than give me and this university the professional courtesy do so, they took it to an outside entity. Why they did that? I can't tell you. But that is a fact. And they gave us no time to evaluate it. That Wednesday morning was the first time I was made aware of this program."

http://media.www.udreview.com/media/storage/paper781/news/2007/11/06/News/Residence.Life.Diversity.Program.Halted-3081066.shtml

So Rat, have you an issue with the Residence Life diversity program?
Or that a good message was lost in the execution of the program?


Where the diversity material came from:
http://www.world-trust.org/

world-trust.org expired on 04/15/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion

So much for them. :rolleyes:

[HawaiianEye]

What does reparations have to do with responsibility? Why should I be responsibile for paying reparations just because I am white? Now THAT is racist, and anyone who subscribes to that belief is themselves a racist bigot.

Most black people who have made something of themselves aren't calling for reparations, and most would probably be offended by the very idea of being paid reparations just because they're black.

I agree. And for any black person that thinks they deserve reparations--call someone who actually gives a shit.

[hotwater]

What does reparations have to do with responsibility? Why should I be responsibile for paying reparations just because I am white? Now THAT is racist, and anyone who subscribes to that belief is themselves a racist bigot.

It's all part of the healing process http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

You took something from us and stripped us of our dignity, and we accept something in return
- besides your head on a plate :mad:



Hotwater

[fitzy21]

only way i'll ever accept people taking reparations is if they and all of their family leave this country and go back to where they were "taken" from.

[Pressed_Rat]

Odon, I am against any Orwellian "diversity" program that seeks to train and condition people, which is all of them.

[Pressed_Rat]

It's all part of the healing process http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

You took something from us and stripped us of our dignity, and we accept something in return
- besides your head on a plate :mad:



Hotwater

I did?

Man, fuck you! I take offense to that.

You're never going to make it very far in life with a chip on your shoulder like that.

[HawaiianEye]

Face it the "melting pot" when it comes to blacks in America has become a big failure and has been for many years.Look at some of Americas inner cities alone and what happenned to some parts of those cities.Perfectly nice cities,then blacks turned those areas into slums.Not to mention many other things.I have nothing against black people but those are facts.

[odon]

Odon, I am against any Orwellian "diversity" program that seeks to train and condition people, which is all of them.

All of them? wow.

8,200,000 of them? :rolleyes:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ei=0Z3vSfnyBYqQjAehlrwV&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=diversity+programs&spell=1

[odon]

Perfectly nice cities,then blacks turned those areas into slums.Not to mention many other things.I have nothing against black people but those are facts.

Like ?

Perhaps black people had no way of making areas they lived in profitable. How can you make a place "fit for purpose" if no money is entering the community? I have no doubt "black areas" turned into "slums" because the white majority turned their collective backs on those areas and the people within them.

[mamaKCita]

chicken or chicken egg...

[odon]

chicken or chicken egg...

Something that looks like a chiken but isn't.

[HawaiianEye]

odon,all i know is there were always poor areas in Americas cities,very poor areas,but for the most part they were safe, the schools were fine and kids grew up to be productive citizens etc..With the large influx of blacks into many of Americas inner cities they turned certain areas into crime ridden(black on black crime) ghettos.You can ask almost anyone who lives in those cities what areas to avoid,and in most cases they are the poor black areas.Again I have nothing against black people,but I'm just being very honest as I am with all my posts.Anyhow I've got to log out.Take it easy.

[Duck]

It's all part of the healing process http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

You took something from us and stripped us of our dignity, and we accept something in return
- besides your head on a plate :mad:



Hotwater
I never new you were black =D Wow. That's a long time it took me to find that out.

Anyways, I wonder how many Americans' families were actually here during slavery. There were so many emigration booms since then. My patriarchal family was in Poland up until the 1900s.

[odon]

odon,all i know is there were always poor areas in Americas cities,very poor areas,but for the most part they were safe, the schools were fine and kids grew up to be productive citizens etc..With the large influx of blacks into many of Americas inner cities they turned certain areas into crime ridden(black on black crime) ghettos.You can ask almost anyone who lives in those cities what areas to avoid,and in most cases they are the poor black areas.Again I have nothing against black people,but I'm just being very honest as I am with all my posts.Anyhow I've got to log out.Take it easy.

Did black people turn nice white areas in to bad white areas or nice white areas into horrible black areas? Not sure, but I think housing projects sprang up to accomodate black families excluded from nice white areas.
These areas then were left to rot by the state.

[Bonkai]

I'm part white, black, and native american which after reading this thread i'm surprised I haven't exploded yet. Nobody can seem to get along for some reason. To the OP, I feel big organizations like universities should practice techniques which will help students deal/avoid racism/discrimination but to put the gun in one groups hand and make them feel responsible for their ancestors past is wrong and discriminatory in its self (white guilt powers activate). It's good that Delaware is trying to fight against discrimination/racism but what they are doing is promoting institutionalized white guilt, and that wont do anything but leave a sour taste in someones mouth and give Obama's Black Army the first blow.

[odon]

I'm part white, black, and native american which after reading this thread i'm surprised I haven't exploded yet. Nobody can seem to get along for some reason. To the OP, I feel big organizations like universities should practice techniques which will help students deal/avoid racism/discrimination but to put the gun in one groups hand and make them feel responsible for their ancestors past is wrong and discriminatory in its self (white guilt powers activate). It's good that Delaware is trying to fight against discrimination/racism but what they are doing is promoting institutionalized white guilt, and that wont do anything but leave a sour taste in someones mouth and give Obama's Black Army the first blow.

It may now not be as bad as you think. The original premise seems to have changed. It seems to have (firstly) been rushed out. But now... perhaps is a different animal.

[Aristartle]

What does reparations have to do with responsibility? Why should I be responsibile for paying reparations just because I am white? Now THAT is racist, and anyone who subscribes to that belief is themselves a racist bigot.

Most black people who have made something of themselves aren't calling for reparations, and most would probably be offended by the very idea of being paid reparations just because they're black. Most of the people calling for reparations are people who have been brainwashed into thinking that all their problems in life are because of white people. It's that same victim mentality that has probably kept many of them back to begin with.

But who said anything about paying reparations? You are the first person to bring it up in this thread. And I have no idea why.

Is dealing with racism just about whie people paying reparations to you or something? :(

[Aristartle]

What does reparations have to do with responsibility? Why should I be responsibile for paying reparations just because I am white? Now THAT is racist, and anyone who subscribes to that belief is themselves a racist bigot.

Most black people who have made something of themselves aren't calling for reparations, and most would probably be offended by the very idea of being paid reparations just because they're black. Most of the people calling for reparations are people who have been brainwashed into thinking that all their problems in life are because of white people. It's that same victim mentality that has probably kept many of them back to begin with.

O.O Just wow. You speaking for black people now, Matt?

So studying the truth about black/white history now is brainwashing? FFS.

[Aristartle]

And who are the oppressors?

You're asking me that question? I thought you would have an idea who they are. :rolleyes:

[Aristartle]

Yes, and certainly liberals don't have the first clue about personal responsibility. It's probably why they depend on the state to run their lives.

That's an oxymoron. What you're defining as "liberal" in your head is another from what a liberal means in reality.

[Aristartle]

Odon, I am against any Orwellian "diversity" program that seeks to train and condition people, which is all of them.

Haha. Matt rejects diversity! There's a new one, for ya. :rolleyes: Not.

[Aristartle]

I did?

Man, fuck you! I take offense to that.

You're never going to make it very far in life with a chip on your shoulder like that.

Ohhh, the irony.

[Pressed_Rat]

But who said anything about paying reparations? You are the first person to bring it up in this thread. And I have no idea why.

Is dealing with racism just about whie people paying reparations to you or something? :(

Maybe if you took the time to read instead of simply reacting, you would see who I was addressing.

[Pressed_Rat]

Haha. Matt rejects diversity! There's a new one, for ya. :rolleyes: Not.

I absolutely 100% reject forced diversity. Besides, you cannot force diversity on people. I believe people are entitled to their own beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. I don't believe in the Orwellian re-education of people so they think in a way that's deemed politically correct by the system (which is the biggest promoter of racism).

[Aristartle]

Maybe if you took the time to read instead of simply reacting, you would see who I was addressing.

Good response. :rolleyes:

[Aristartle]

I absolutely 100% reject forced diversity. Besides, you cannot force diversity on people. I believe people are entitled to their own beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. I don't believe in the Orwellian re-education of people so they think in a way that's deemed politically correct by the system (which is the biggest promoter of racism).

o.o So, you reject immigrants and adapting to a multicultural climate. Anything and everything that promotes anti-racism is indoctrination to you, and promotes racism. You would defend to the death a person's right to be racist. My, how conservative of you.

Pssst. Your true colours are showing!

[Pressed_Rat]

o.o So, you reject immigrants and adapting to a multicultural climate. Anything and everything that promotes anti-racism is indoctrination to you, and promotes racism. You would defend to the death a person's right to be racist. My, how conservative of you.

Pssst. Your true colours are showing!

Actually, focusing on racism creates racism. Forced diversity creates racism because it focuses people's attention on race, instead of the fact that we're all human, regardless of where we are from or what color our skin is.

You see, I actually have done the research and realize that this whole "diversity" agenda is being promoted from the very top, and it has nothing to do with people accepting other races and cultures. It's all about social engineering and the elimination of free and independent thought, while at the same time creating even more balkanization and racial tension. It's part of a POLITICAL agenda, and most people with half a brain can see that.

I think you're the type of person that just swallows everything that is put in front of their face and never questions anything. To suggest I am a racist simply because I haven't blindly swallowed the brainwashing bullshit you have is just beyond the pale.

Yes, I would absolutely defend to my death a person's right to be racist, unless they decide to act on that racism with violence or in a way that causes physical harm.

Unlike you, I believe in a person's God-given right to think what they want. That's what separates a person who values freedom from a person who values tyranny.

[Face Eater]

Good response. :rolleyes:

I'm almost entirely sure that matt is attempting to paint a nightmarish picture out of something well intentioned (if not a little too extreme and unnecessary for my liking) as is his usual style. However, you seem to be doing a lot more digging, prodding, poking and demonizing than contributing to level headed discussion.

I'm sure my opinion on your little disagreement doesn't mean shit, but as an outside looking in I feel it necessary to tell you that I think you're better than that. Don't stoop friend.

[odon]

I absolutely 100% reject forced diversity. Besides, you cannot force diversity on people. I believe people are entitled to their own beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. I don't believe in the Orwellian re-education of people so they think in a way that's deemed politically correct by the system (which is the biggest promoter of racism).

Are/were they actually forcing anything upon anybody? I could be wrong, but I thought it said it wasn't mandatory. It was several people running to outside bodies - because they were not happy - instead of dealing with it internally. I hear what you are saying about ANY diversity" programs; is there really diversity programmes within all universities in America?

[Pressed_Rat]

And just for the record, let me state that I am all for organic diversity. What I am oppossed to is state or corporate mandated, institutionalized diversity, which isn't diversity at all.

[Pressed_Rat]

I hear what you are saying about ANY diversity" programs; is there really diversity programmes within all universities in America?

It's pretty much everywhere you go; in the schools, universities, businesses/corporations, etc.

[Bonkai]

And just for the record, let me state that I am all for organic diversity. What I am oppossed to is state or corporate mandated, institutionalized diversity, which isn't diversity at all.

You mean like the military? It works pretty well for them. Just saying.

[odon]

It's pretty much everywhere you go; in the schools, businesses/corporations, and of course the media....

Well, if it is forced, count me out. I'm not 100% sure it is mandatory, in Deleware or anywhere. Which puts it in the category of "do it if you feel like it". Fire, does not seem to have any issue with other Universities who are doing "diversity programmes", do they? They picked on this one because it was not done in a very good way. No offence, I'm with Face Eater, here...you might be painting a nighmarish picture when there is none...

...Continues researching.

[Pressed_Rat]

Well, if it is forced, count me out. I'm not 100% sure it is mandatory, in Deleware or anywhere. Which puts it in the category of "do it if you feel like it". Fire, does not seem to have any issue with other Universities who are doing "diversity programmes", do they? They picked on this one because it was not done in a very good way. No offence, I'm with Face Eater, here...you might be painting a nighmarish picture when there is none...

...Continues researching.

Right, it's not the fact that they were going after it because it was a diversity program, but because of the ideology it was promoting. I honestly do not know if diversity programs are mandatory at all or most universities. I know they are in the corporate world, however.

Also, I don't think I am necessarily painting a nightmarish picture, either. This sort of thing is going on everywhere in varying degrees. So to me it's not one isolated incident, but rather an ongoing push that just so happened to rear its ugly head in a particularly nasty way in Delaware. So I am not focused on this one incident as much as I am the bigger picture of forced diversity, which is pretty much being pushed from all directions. Some people may not even notice it.

[Duck]

Actually, focusing on racism creates racism. Forced diversity creates racism because it focuses people's attention on race, instead of the fact that we're all human, regardless of where we are from or what color our skin is.
Exactly.
The racial issues that occur today are largely created by our own minds.
I went to highschool right outside of the ghetto, 80% black, 13% other, 7% white. There were virtually no issues between whites and blacks. Even the few openly racist whites never had any problems stemming from their beliefs alone.

I feel more comfortable in the black ghettos than I do the predominantly white crack neighborhoods in this city =/

And really, if we keep telling ourselves that blacks have it unfair, and that whites are racist; it's only going to cause further divide.
When half of the mainstream "artists" these days are minorities, and even our president is half of one: how much legitimacy can you claim with a racial divide?
Sure, relations aren't perfect: but how is looking down on blacks like they are third world people we have to take care of, and whites akin to how the Panthers saw them, going to help matters?

Interesting Supreme Court case is going on that directly relates to this. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090422/ap_on_go_su_co/us_scotus_firefighters_lawsuit;_ylt=AkPM9vbB36eAqN N.R3gPETFMEP0E)

[Boodreaux]

Man, it's all about personal relationships. There is a dark side of human nature that has a bit of fear and a bit of fascination for those that are different from us. We have to learn to take our thinking to the next level, whatever that may be. I don't know what it is for sure, but we won't get there through name-calling, labeling, mistrust, and anger. Healthy debate is about issues, not trying to invalidate a debate by tearing down the person you are debating.

It's going to be hard to overcome old ways of thinking if we resort to the archaic forms of debate that have divided people for so long. We are all different and it's more than the sum of our genetics, culture, and experiences. I believe we have a soul, and that soul is more important than the arbitrary differences our humane genome carries.

Do you want to squash racism? Unless you are going to take a leadership role in it all, you can start by just treating everyone like they are worth something. No matter who they are or where they came from. If we can all do that, we will make the world a better place. How simply Utopian, huh? Well, we've yet to make it that far.

[PurpByThePound]

I did?

Man, fuck you! I take offense to that.

You're never going to make it very far in life with a chip on your shoulder like that.

This is as far as "personal white responsibility" will go, unfortunately.

Some people simply can't understand the "playing field" of the job world, social world, economy, politics, etc etc are unfairly imbalanced due to white oppression. "Reparations" does not necessarily mean handing money or other tangible objects to blacks, but to express an apology (as a whole) and seek for true equality, because no matter what you say a "hands-off" approach isn't (and hasn't) producing an equal country.

And this whole idea of "forced diversity" is an attempt at getting at equality...just not at the right point in life.

I am assuming you are talking about Equal Opportunities. The idea is right, but the execution is wrong. The problem of inequality doesn't start at college admissions or job employment, it begins in neighborhoods and early childhood.

The only way to truly get at equality is to come together, and it needs to be done at a young age so the next generations are used to living and working together (and used to being treated and educated the same way)

[Pressed_Rat]

Some people simply can't understand the "playing field" of the job world, social world, economy, politics, etc etc are unfairly imbalanced due to white oppression.

Please describe, in detail, this "white oppression" you speak of? Who is doing the oppressing (all white people? certain white people?) and how?

[PurpByThePound]

Please describe, in detail, this "white oppression" you speak of? Who is doing the oppressing (all white people? certain white people?) and how?

I meant historically. If you are denying the fact that whites oppressed blacks (and all other minorities at one point or another) then you've got some reading to do...unless of course you believe the history of everything was fabricated to make us BELIEVE such things.

In that case, let us don the tin foil cats...I mean caps.http://publicintellectual.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tin-foil-hat.jpg

(However oppression towards minorities still continue, and is mainly done so by rich white males)

[Pressed_Rat]

But what you said made it sound like white oppression still exists and is a relevant issue today.

I am quite aware of history.

I believe that, throughout history, many ethnicities and races -- ALL races and ethnicities (including whites) -- have been wrongly oppressed; blacks being one of the many. There is no doubt that blacks were dealt an unfair card for a long time in America, but it had less to do with your average, racist white person than it did with the institutionalized racism that comes from the top. If the finger is to be pointed at whites, it should be aristocratic whites who were the ones behind the slave trade.

I believe there is a political agenda that keeps racism (or rather the issue of racism) alive, to actually keep blacks oppressed and feeling as victims of the "evil white man."

I could go into this more, but I won't tonight.


I meant historically. If you are denying the fact that whites oppressed blacks (and all other minorities at one point or another) then you've got some reading to do...unless of course you believe the history of everything was fabricated to make us BELIEVE such things.

In that case, let us don the tin foil cats...I mean caps.http://publicintellectual.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tin-foil-hat.jpg

(However oppression towards minorities still continue, and is mainly done so by rich white males)

[PurpByThePound]

But what you said made it sound like white oppression still exists and is a relevant issue today.

I am quite aware of history.

I believe that, throughout history, many ethnicities and races -- ALL races and ethnicities (including whites) -- have been wrongly oppressed; blacks being one of the many. There is no doubt that blacks were dealt an unfair card for a long time in America, but it had less to do with your average, racist white person than it did with the institutionalized racism that comes from the top. If the finger is to be pointed at whites, it should be aristocratic whites who were the ones behind the slave trade.

I believe there is a political agenda that keeps racism (or rather the issue of racism) alive, to actually keep blacks oppressed and feeling as victims of the "evil white man."

I could go into this more, but I won't tonight.

Whites, as a race, were never oppressed by any other race on a global scale. This has only happened with blacks. Even other black people have oppressed darker skinned peoples, it is quite strange.

White oppression still exists as the game is still geared towards white males. We have much more opportunity and ability to exceed in this life (generally speaking) than blacks and hispanics.

I agree WHERE the oppression comes from, but the problem is that the normal white person doesn't give a flying shit because it doesn't effect them...or they enjoy it. In many many many MANY suburban white families, there are racist undertones. Not blatant "Kill the darkie" kind of expressions but "Don't walk on the same side of the street" or "That man might try and steal something" as well as the common "Why are they in my neighborhood?" (Which creates a whole new issue of White Flight and pretty much can be accountable for many problems in modern cities)

They are small expressions that white people aren't ready to move forward with equality, which allows the people on top of it all to continue making money from minorities not advancing either.

[mamaKCita]

Whites, as a race, were never oppressed by any other race on a global scale. This has only happened with blacks. Even other black people have oppressed darker skinned peoples, it is quite strange.

White oppression still exists as the game is still geared towards white males. We have much more opportunity and ability to exceed in this life (generally speaking) than blacks and hispanics.

I agree WHERE the oppression comes from, but the problem is that the normal white person doesn't give a flying shit because it doesn't effect them...or they enjoy it. In many many many MANY suburban white families, there are racist undertones. Not blatant "Kill the darkie" kind of expressions but "Don't walk on the same side of the street" or "That man might try and steal something" as well as the common "Why are they in my neighborhood?" (Which creates a whole new issue of White Flight and pretty much can be accountable for many problems in modern cities)

They are small expressions that white people aren't ready to move forward with equality, which allows the people on top of it all to continue making money from minorities not advancing either.



that's more a problem of technology and geography than racism.

[hotwater]

Man, fuck you! I take offense to that.

You're never going to make it very far in life with a chip on your shoulder like that.

Too late the path to success has already been paved :eek:

btw: It's good to see you can still get angry http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater

[Pressed_Rat]

Whites, as a race, were never oppressed by any other race on a global scale. This has only happened with blacks. Even other black people have oppressed darker skinned peoples, it is quite strange.

Except, that isn't true. Yes, whites have been mostly oppressed by other whites, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that ALL slavery is bad. ALL races have been oppressed. I am not sure what you mean by "global scale." Was there black slaves in China and Russia? I know white slavery was rampant is Russia for a long time, as was it in colonial America and going back even further than that.

[PurpByThePound]

that's more a problem of technology and geography than racism.

And many other factors, I didn't say it was an issue of racism, just getting the facts straight. He was saying "Whites were oppressed too" ...well...no, they really weren't.

[PurpByThePound]

Except, that isn't true. Yes, whites have been mostly oppressed by other whites, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that ALL slavery is bad. ALL races have been oppressed. I am not sure what you mean by "global scale." Was there black slaves in China and Russia? I know white slavery was rampant is Russia for a long time, as was it in colonial America and going back even further than that.

Okay...I realize there has been a oppression of whites by other whites, but it was not because of their skin color. Mainly it was due to religions.

That did not effect white oppressors towards any other race. Black christians would be treated just as badly as black muslims. It isn't the same deal...at all

[Pressed_Rat]

White oppression still exists as the game is still geared towards white males. We have much more opportunity and ability to exceed in this life (generally speaking) than blacks and hispanics.

I would say the exact opposite is the case. I would say the game is rigged against white males -- particularly white, heterosexual males -- especially in the workplace. When you have something like corporate-sponsored affirmative action (which is simply reverse-discrimination/racism) and have people being promoted simply based on the color of their skin, I don't see how any logical person could say that the game is geared towards white males.

However, with that said, in the grand scheme of things we are ALL being sold up the river by the same interbreeding elites, regardless of our skin color and ethnicity, which is something we must always remember. The elite love playing the different races off against one another to create balkanization and tension, which is why the REAL racism that exists comes from the top and not from the average joe on the street. Most racism is in fact promoted under the guise of anti-racism, and is aimed at getting people's attention focused on race, so we see ourselves as separate instead of one human family.

I agree WHERE the oppression comes from, but the problem is that the normal white person doesn't give a flying shit because it doesn't effect them...or they enjoy it. In many many many MANY suburban white families, there are racist undertones. Not blatant "Kill the darkie" kind of expressions but "Don't walk on the same side of the street" or "That man might try and steal something"That isn't racism. Some people are just ignorant and believe in the old stereotypes. But the statistics do show that most violent crimes are committed by black males. While I believe that often people's fears are way overblown, they are not always unfounded, either. If my car broke down in the middle of the inner city late at night, and I saw a group of black males in their late teens/early 20s walking towards me, I wouldn't feel exactly safe either.

Obviously that would not apply to the black people I know and have contact with on a regular basis, some of whom are friends and acquaintances. To think all black people are inherently violent criminals is racist, kind of like believing that all Arabs are terrorists. It's ignorance, but not always based on racial hate.

They are small expressions that white people aren't ready to move forward with equality, which allows the people on top of it all to continue making money from minorities not advancing either.I disagree. Most white people are plagued by the liberal white guilt that helped to get Obama elected as the first black man in office. But I suppose it also depends on what a person's definition of "equality" is (usually government-mandated wealth redistribution). Everyday I see black people are who much more successful than I am and have a lot more money than I do. So, to me, that argument just does not fly. I think anyone who strives to make a decent living is capable of doing so, regardless of their skin color. It's the victim mentality and the belief that one is owed something that holds people back more than anything.

[Elijah]

horseshit! we were the first to free the slaves. this is why i get irritated with white liberals. they tend to loathe themselves.


Out of all the races in the Western Hemisphere, institutionally, whites are by far the most racist.

I have no qualms with these teachings.

[Elijah]

russian organised crime still takes part in it. it's interesting that we never hear people of slavic ethnicity whine about slavery. slav is the root word for slave, the vikings captured and sold them off more than they did to anyone else.


Except, that isn't true. Yes, whites have been mostly oppressed by other whites, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that ALL slavery is bad. ALL races have been oppressed. I am not sure what you mean by "global scale." Was there black slaves in China and Russia? I know white slavery was rampant is Russia for a long time, as was it in colonial America and going back even further than that.

[Elijah]

how much of your road to success was paved by white peoples tax dollars and affirmative action programs?


Too late the path to success has already been paved :eek:

btw: It's good to see you can still get angry http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater

[Pressed_Rat]

russian organised crime still takes part in it. it's interesting that we never hear people of slavic ethnicity whine about slavery. slav is the root word for slave, the vikings captured and sold them off more than they did to anyone else.

Yes, excellent point.

This is all elucidated in Michael Hoffman's book, They Were White and They Were Slaves.

[Elijah]

yes, many studies in the past have confirmed that a person usually feels at most comfort around those like themselves. this doens't just limit itself to race either, this extends over to social class and income level. as well as hobbies and interests. this is why when you were in high school, you would never see the bookworms sit at the table with the popular people. unless of coruse they were being their usual patronising selves amd were up to something.


I did not view the video,but just a general comment.Maybe it's human nature for people to be more comfortable among people wth similair backgrounds.And theres really nothing one can do about it.You cannot force the issue.

[Elijah]

mike hoffman is one of the better known revisionist historians. he's taken a lot of shit in the past for cirticising his own fellow jews. he's a very brave man.

Yes, excellent point.

This is all elucidated in Michael Hoffman's book, They Were White and They Were Slaves.

[hotwater]

how much of your road to success was paved by white peoples tax dollars and affirmative action programs?


My four years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves afforded me the opportunity to help pay towards my education http://www.hipforums.com/images/newsmilies/patriot.gif

About as much money as you’ve undoubtedly received from welfare, AFDC, food stamps, alcoholic family members, assorted crackheads, and charitable christian organizations :mad:


Hotwater

[Pressed_Rat]

I agree. It is very grating on the nerves, but I cannot even fault them because they are victims of brainwashing. This is the sort of communistic nonsense that is being shoved down the throats of young, impressionable students at colleges and universities all across the Western world; this notion that America is racist and evil, that white people (especially men) are bad, that independently wealthy people are bad, that capitalism is bad, and that socialist internationalism is the answer to all the world's ills. It all ties in with the attack on Western civilization and is being pushed from the top by some extremely diabolical people who truly hate the human race.



this is why i get irritated with white liberals. they tend to loathe themselves.

[hotwater]

if you really hate white people that bad, go back to africa. seriously, i can't see any other reason why a black guy would grudge fuck the women of the people he so hates. nor do i know of any other reason why you'd always be so quick to jump on the forums and race bait so often.


I don’t hate white people at all :mad:

I’m just having some fun on your behalf http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater

[Pressed_Rat]

I don’t hate white people at all :mad:

I’m just having some fun on your behalf http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater


Yeah, I can see you like to egg people on. You had me falling for it at first, too.

[Bonkai]

I don’t hate white people at all :mad:

I’m just having some fun on your behalf http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater


Yes, I do this sometimes myself. It's fun to see what people really think.

[hotwater]

Yeah, I can see you like to egg people on. You had me falling for it at first, too.


Sorry it’s not meant to humiliate anyone, only to have a little fun and occasionally expose individuals for who they really are (as Bonkai suggested) by triggering off those regressive genes lodged deep within :eek:


Hotwater

[hotwater]

if the roles were reversed and you were a white guy saying these sorts of things about blacks. there's a good chance you'd get banned from the forums. or atleast banned from this thread. the bus left jena ages ago, so should you sir. turns out that was much ado about nothing anyways.


Are you kidding? :eek:

I’ve been called the N_word so many times on this message board you’d think I was standing on main street in 1966 Selma Alabama, wearing a T-Shirt that says ”I Hate White People” :eek:

But it's all in good clean fun http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater

[mamaKCita]

did you like my chicken vs. chicken egg comment, hot? i snickered.

[hotwater]

did you like my chicken vs. chicken egg comment, hot? i snickered.

I caught that ;)


Hotwater

[Zoomie]

Humanity, as a whole, is fecal. Pure, freshly laid, ropey coils. What a bunch of shit.

[Duck]

Are you kidding? :eek:

I’ve been called the N_word so many times on this message board you’d think I was standing on main street in 1966 Selma Alabama, wearing a T-Shirt that says ”I Hate White People” :eek:

But it's all in good clean fun http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater
Pssht, you N_words just don't understand. =P


So, you said N_word; are you one of the sorts that doesn't like the use of nigga? (I didn't mean for one of the sorts to sound like you guys are aliens, there are plenty of white people that hate the use of it too =) )

[odon]

Right, it's not the fact that they were going after it because it was a diversity program, but because of the ideology it was promoting. I honestly do not know if diversity programs are mandatory at all or most universities. I know they are in the corporate world, however.

At that particulac campus, it appears not.



Also, I don't think I am necessarily painting a nightmarish picture, either. This sort of thing is going on everywhere in varying degrees. So to me it's not one isolated incident, but rather an ongoing push that just so happened to rear its ugly head in a particularly nasty way in Delaware. .


This sounds pretty nightmarish to me:

"Marxist, racist ideology is being taught on campuses all across the United States. Centers of social engineering and mass indoctrination aimed at breaking individuals of their traditional beliefs and instilling the state-mandated beliefs deemed acceptable by the elite."

If your gonna have issues with non mandatory diverstity workshops...then you'll have endless fuel for you fire. But, this does not seem to be mandatory and if I read it right, not aimed at all students. Yes, the one highlighted is pretty grim, indeed. But judging by a previous post, was stopped. If done correctly, It can be beneficial...imo. If, Fire, start to have issues with other diversity programmes, that might be more fair - because then they could say it is more widespread and insideous, than picking out one campus.

This seems like a little bit of a which hunt, by a handful of people, based on something that occured several years ago.
How is the programme being implemented now?

I am not focused on this one incident as much as I am the bigger picture of forced diversity, which is pretty much being pushed from all directions. Some people may not even notice it.

I'm turned off by hyperbolicness. Which you do with great aplomb.
But, forced diversity is an interesting topic, if dealt with in a reasonable way. Is that possible?

[HawaiianEye]

I fully agree that you cannot "force" diversity or whatever term one wants to use.Every program that has tried to force the issue has been a failure in almost EVERY way and in every place they've been tried.They actually have the OPPOSITE effect and create further resentments and a host of other serious problems too.---It's way past time an end was put to this nonsense.----And hey if people feel more comfortable among other people of similair backgrounds,there is nothing wrong with that.Again it's human nature,like it or not.

[odon]

I sometimes fear "diversity awareness" flows in only one direction...It should be for everybody.

[HawaiianEye]

Well,I'll give my state as an example.---In Hawaii we generally like everyone here.But we especially do NOT like(hate) people who feel the need to bring up the subject of race in every single sentence,or imply it in every aspect of their life.-----And mainstream US media is hated by many here too for these very reasons.--------Now granted alot of other things come into play because Hawaii is unique in many other ways ie:a very warm freindly genuine attitude and culture etc. etc. etc.--And again we have a very low percentage of black people here.

[Aristartle]

Actually, focusing on racism creates racism. Forced diversity creates racism because it focuses people's attention on race, instead of the fact that we're all human, regardless of where we are from or what color our skin is.

You see, I actually have done the research and realize that this whole "diversity" agenda is being promoted from the very top, and it has nothing to do with people accepting other races and cultures. It's all about social engineering and the elimination of free and independent thought, while at the same time creating even more balkanization and racial tension. It's part of a POLITICAL agenda, and most people with half a brain can see that.

I think you're the type of person that just swallows everything that is put in front of their face and never questions anything. To suggest I am a racist simply because I haven't blindly swallowed the brainwashing bullshit you have is just beyond the pale.

Yes, I would absolutely defend to my death a person's right to be racist, unless they decide to act on that racism with violence or in a way that causes physical harm.

Unlike you, I believe in a person's God-given right to think what they want. That's what separates a person who values freedom from a person who values tyranny.

That's so fucked up, man. You are blinded by individualism.

[Aristartle]

Please describe, in detail, this "white oppression" you speak of? Who is doing the oppressing (all white people? certain white people?) and how?

Why, are you having troubles seeing it? :rolleyes:

[Elijah]

i agree, i also feel there's little good in diversity if you have to push it on to everyone and their brother. this is quite the rage in academic circles too. a good example of this is the university of michigan, the people who run that place feel a 35% white student population is too much. so they keep pushing to bring more foreign students to come in. it's not about enriching the academic atmosphere, but about fracturing and fragmenting the student body. some arab students organise a few demonstrations to allow the university to know what's going on over in palestine and it upsets them. meanwhile hilel can get all the tax payer funded scholarships it wants.


I sometimes fear "diversity awareness" flows in only one direction...It should be for everybody.

[hotwater]

i agree, i also feel there's little good in diversity if you have to push it on to everyone and their brother. this is quite the rage in academic circles too. a good example of this is the university of michigan, the people who run that place feel a 35% white student population is too much. so they keep pushing to bring more foreign students to come in. it's not about enriching the academic atmosphere, but about fracturing and fragmenting the student body. some arab students organise a few demonstrations to allow the university to know what's going on over in palestine and it upsets them. meanwhile hilel can get all the tax payer funded scholarships it wants.

How pathetic can you possibly be :mad:

Wasn’t Gratz v. Bollinger, which upheld the Bakke decision enough for you :eek:


Hotwater

[Aristartle]

It really, really, really bothers me that some people can't see the forest from the trees.

Denying that racism even exists, or that it exists because some people retain a belief that racism is a reality, is blatant reverse racism. It's an argument that devoids an analysis of power used to undermine racism initiatives. Teaching black history, for example, is not reverse racism since white history dominates the history taught in schools.

It's a false inclusion without challenging power or changing root practices. For example, in a union, people of colour may be portrayed in a publicity, yet only white people may be hired as organizers. This is what we call tokenism, or cultural appropriation. Selectively taking parts of a culture for use or profit, such as recent bindi fashion fad that appropriates South Asian culture and voids it of cultural significance.

Has anyone ever heard the A Girl Like Me tests?

You know, where psychologists placed a black baby doll and a white baby doll side by side on a table. They then asked 253 black children which doll they wanted to play with and why. 2/3 of the children chose the white doll. In 1985, and again in 2005.

You can watch the results at http://www.mediathatmattersfest.org/films/a_girl_like_me/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1091431409617440489

These experiments proves the extent that segregation and sytemic oppression has harmed black children's self image.

**It takes more than a change in the law to overcome the deeply rooted racism of modern society**

Just because we see blacks, asians, hispanics, etc. on our TV-land and media outlets, does not mean that this is evidence of real progress. In fact, these outlets are more questionable. They are first and foremost a response to the fact that advertisers are now willing to buy time for shows that are targeted to those communities they judge to have sufficient purchasing power.

Indeed, the alternatvely self-deprecating and ironic humour in TV shows like Fresh Prince of Bel Air or Little Mosque on the Prairie , only confirms the perception that "other" cultures are essentially different from the dominant Euro-white culture.

But we're not going to see a Black Panther American Girl doll turn up any time soon, are we? :rolleyes:

Not to recognize the evolution of attitudes since the 1960s is to deny reality. It's wrong to think that since Obama's election for example, or the unprecedented high numbers of black executives is the highest ever, means that the USA as a country has gone "beyond race".

These things still exist. Institutionally, and in attitudes.

[Aristartle]

that's more a problem of technology and geography than racism.

KC, this is the most ignorant thing I've ever seen you post.

Racism is a problem because of 'technology and geography'? In which universe? Please explain what you're trying to say.

[fitzy21]

i'll support who holds any belief they want, as long as it doesn't physically harm anyone else. i'll even support a business owner who wants to operate a business that does not allow a certain race/gender/creed to work or be a customer.

thats real freedom. as long as the gov't does not make any laws to that effect, and it comes from the private business owner, i'm all for it. as long as everyone has the opportunity to make these decisions, i'm all for it.

[Aristartle]

I would say the exact opposite is the case. I would say the game is rigged against white males -- particularly white, heterosexual males -- especially in the workplace. When you have something like corporate-sponsored affirmative action (which is simply reverse-discrimination/racism) and have people being promoted simply based on the color of their skin, I don't see how any logical person could say that the game is geared towards white males.

However, with that said, in the grand scheme of things we are ALL being sold up the river by the same interbreeding elites, regardless of our skin color and ethnicity, which is something we must always remember. The elite love playing the different races off against one another to create balkanization and tension, which is why the REAL racism that exists comes from the top and not from the average joe on the street. Most racism is in fact promoted under the guise of anti-racism, and is aimed at getting people's attention focused on race, so we see ourselves as separate instead of one human family.

That isn't racism. Some people are just ignorant and believe in the old stereotypes. But the statistics do show that most violent crimes are committed by black males. While I believe that often people's fears are way overblown, they are not always unfounded, either. If my car broke down in the middle of the inner city late at night, and I saw a group of black males in their late teens/early 20s walking towards me, I wouldn't feel exactly safe either.

Obviously that would not apply to the black people I know and have contact with on a regular basis, some of whom are friends and acquaintances. To think all black people are inherently violent criminals is racist, kind of like believing that all Arabs are terrorists. It's ignorance, but not always based on racial hate.

I disagree. Most white people are plagued by the liberal white guilt that helped to get Obama elected as the first black man in office. But I suppose it also depends on what a person's definition of "equality" is (usually government-mandated wealth redistribution). Everyday I see black people are who much more successful than I am and have a lot more money than I do. So, to me, that argument just does not fly. I think anyone who strives to make a decent living is capable of doing so, regardless of their skin color. It's the victim mentality and the belief that one is owed something that holds people back more than anything.

Blowing my mind. Wow. Just wow.

Your true colours are showing, and it's not pretty.

[Aristartle]

My four years of active duty and 2 years in the reserves afforded me the opportunity to help pay towards my education http://www.hipforums.com/images/newsmilies/patriot.gif

About as much money as you’ve undoubtedly received from welfare, AFDC, food stamps, alcoholic family members, assorted crackheads, and charitable christian organizations :mad:


Hotwater


I love you Hotwater. Love you.

[Elijah]

pathetic? as opposed you race baiting at every given opportunity? i'm not pathetic for telling the truth. but it is pathetic you'd squirm away from it everytime it's brought to light. you've been living under a rock your entire life if you think diversity doesn't get forced on to modern america.


How pathetic can you possibly be :mad:

Wasn’t Gratz v. Bollinger, which upheld the Bakke decision enough for you :eek:


Hotwater

[Elijah]

you should, because he loves them white womens. LOVES them! after all, he seems to think he's too good to date his own kind. if you ask me, feeling you are too good for your own kind is just another form of racism.


I love you Hotwater. Love you.

[Aristartle]

pathetic? as opposed you race baiting at every given opportunity? i'm not pathetic for telling the truth. but it is pathetic you'd squirm away from it everytime it's brought to light. you've been living under a rock your entire life if you think diversity doesn't get forced on to modern america.

Oh, I'm so sorry you are forced to learn about other cultures.

Do you expect reparations? :rolleyes:

[Aristartle]

you should, because he loves them white womens. LOVES them!

Elijah, let's leave the personal attacks out of this. Mmkay?

[hotwater]

I love you Hotwater. Love you.

Well thanks ;)


Hotwater

[Elijah]

do i look like jessie jackson to you? having their culture forced upon you and learning about their culture are two different things. but then again you live in a country that's probably ninety percent or more caucasion. so i have trouble believing you to be some sort of expert of diversity.


Oh, I'm so sorry you are forced to learn about other cultures.

Do you expect reparations? :rolleyes:

[Elijah]

he loves anything twelve shades lighter than he is that has boobs. don't feel too special missy

Well thanks ;)


Hotwater

[hippiehillbilly]

im just on the verge of closing this thread.

I for the life of me cant understand why whenever race is mentioned it turns to this shit.

you all have no idea what this thread reads like from someone who hasnt participated in it.

race discussion truly does bring out the worst in all parties involved.

whether they realize it or not..

[Elijah]

why should i have to heed the words of a liberal that thinks the french to be some superior group of people? then turns around to whine about how racism is bad. meanwhile they ignore the fact that the french are traditionally a very racist group of europeans. hatred of dark complected folks and being french have always gone hand in hand.

[hippiehillbilly]

i said all parties involved were showing their worst side and that included the uppity canadian..


i dont need this shit on my porch..

this thread is closed.