Asshead Bupe/Suboxone Docs

[Dillygirl]

So two years ago I decided, after hitting the floor once too often and winding up in the ER spitting up charcoal and having precipitated withdrawals from Narcan, that I was ready to get clean again and stay that way this time (I'd been clean for 7 years, I was the NA guru, you know the deal). I'd been hearing good things about Suboxone, but I'd never tried it before (I'd heard I could get it on the street but I was, at the time, sticking to my own and my ex-husband's prescription meds and not engaging with street-level dealers). I found the one hospital in my county that was licensed to detox with subs and, in horrible pain from wd's, I went to their ER and asked to be admitted to the detox. They let me lie on a gurney IN A HALLWAY of the ER for 8 hours, with all of the lovely withdrawal effects getting worse and worse, until finally that evening they brought me upstairs. I was dosed about an hour after being admitted with 8/2; about 20 minutes later I felt better and an hour later I felt almost normal. They kept me in the detox for 48 hours then discharged me to a sober house with a script and an appointment with a doc who took Medicaid. The doc put me on 8/2 3 times a day; I was at that dose for 10 months, then we decided I would start tapering. So at my next appointment he told me to break my morning dose in half, and keep it at that dose for a month, blah blah ray ray.

Well PS - the practice that my sub doc was treating me out of decided to stop taking Medicaid. I showed up for my next appointment all proud of myself for sticking to the dose exactly, and when I got there, the receptionist told me, "Oh, sorry, Dr. Donothing can't see you unless you pay $150." No phone call warning me, no opportunity to find another doc that takes my Medicaid HMO, nothing. So now there I was stuck with two days' worth of subs left and no way to get another script. I was pissed. The doc felt kind of bad (it was practice policy - he's only there once a week, it's an outpatient drug and alcohol treatment center) so he wrote me for a week and said "Good luck."

I have spent the past few months searching high and low for a new doc. ALL of them, it seems, want $500 for an initial consult and then $150 - $200 per visit, and they want you to come in every week or every two. It sucks ass. I ended up hurting my back in a really bad fall at the end of January and wound up on narcotic pain meds anyway, so now I'm back on THAT effing merry-go-round, but what the hell man? Suboxone/bupe was supposed to be like some miracle drug, letting you live like a normal person instead of dosing at the clinic every day. I ended up fully addicted to the subs, and 10 weeks after I stopped them I still fully felt like ass.

I'm sorry this rant is so effing long, but what a racket! And all a doc has to do to be able to write it is to get that little "x" in front of their DEA number - my doc told me it's about the easiest thing in the world, but none of them want "junkies" hanging around their offices I guess.

Okay, rant over.

[weallhumalong]

just get some off the street. you definitely don't need three a day. i doubt anyone does unless theyre doing like 2 grams of dope a day. from a half gram a day habit i started taking 8mg a day and quickly tapering. because of the long half life, tapering is really easy with subs. i swear if you start at 8mg and taper down you can be fully off in 2 months tops.

[SothisIsLife]

When i was on subs the doc started me at 2 - 8/2 a day. way more than i needed for an 80mg a day habit. I feel like these docs just get you addicted so you keep coming back. I was paying $200 every two weeks to see my doc and he was such a dick he would write me my script in his hallway and wouldnt even take me into his office and ask me how everything was going. After a week I started a taper on my own. Within a three weeks I was down to a 1/4 of a 8/2 a day. Then i started skipping days before i knew it i was clean and feeling great in a little less than a month.

[weallhumalong]

^^^ haha yep. i think they over prescribe because they HAVE to or else they wont really make any money off it. if someone can detox in a month or 2 and are taking at most 1 pill a day theres not alot of money to be made. but if they start you at 3 a day and leave it for months and months and then taper from there its like a fucking goldmine. whatever though, at least suboxone is out there, you just gotta figure out your own doses/regimen

[Dillygirl]

It's a total effing racket, I swear. Like with my guy if you missed an appointment for ANY reason you had to do a whole other ($500) intake. "Gee doc, my leg got cut off on the way in so I went to the ER." "Sorry, that'll be $500." Asshats.

[CoLdFuSioN167]

That totally sucks. It would probably cheaper to buy the Suboxone off the street.

[Bluez_Snooze]

wow, sounds like these suboxone docs are real dickeads.
there really trying to rob every dollar they can out of these users.
i really hope i don't have to go down that road someday..

[Dillygirl]

I know, and I was all excited initially about it because my insurance covered it. Now I'm looking at kratom; I just wish someone would tell me what my best bet is on that before I go ordering something that doesn't work.

[weallhumalong]

kratom never did shit for me. seems like it works for people who aren't addicted or don't have a high tolerance, but thats it.

i could be wrong

[Dillygirl]

I've been all over the net this morning looking for it. Also poppy pods, but I can't seem to find them, either. I have one perc 10/325 and one 5 mg. valium left and I have to go have dinner with my SO's parents in like three hours. Gack.

[Bluez_Snooze]

^^ i'd help ya if i could, but i don't really know anything about it either.
but i was told that the higher your tolerance is, the less likely it would have any effect on you.
but i think you have a low tolerance to opiates right?
if so, i'd say go ahead and order it.
as for preperation on how to take it, i can't help ya there.
good luck :D

[Slingblade]

drugs.com has all sorts of posts on sub tapering. thats all that forum is. people addicted to shit and trying to get off it.

[TrendyWinds]

someone hacked my account ignore this

[Dillygirl]

It's not that I want to trade one addiction for another; it's just that it's way so much easier to get the kratom (cheaper too). I might start a poppy farm in my kitchen window, lol. My tolerance is pretty low these days - 4 -6 mg of dillies will make me feel pretty nice, so I ordered the powdered bali from Kratom King. We'll see.

[TokeTrip]

So two years ago I decided, after hitting the floor once too often and winding up in the ER spitting up charcoal and having precipitated withdrawals from Narcan, that I was ready to get clean again and stay that way this time (I'd been clean for 7 years, I was the NA guru, you know the deal). I'd been hearing good things about Suboxone, but I'd never tried it before (I'd heard I could get it on the street but I was, at the time, sticking to my own and my ex-husband's prescription meds and not engaging with street-level dealers). I found the one hospital in my county that was licensed to detox with subs and, in horrible pain from wd's, I went to their ER and asked to be admitted to the detox. They let me lie on a gurney IN A HALLWAY of the ER for 8 hours, with all of the lovely withdrawal effects getting worse and worse, until finally that evening they brought me upstairs. I was dosed about an hour after being admitted with 8/2; about 20 minutes later I felt better and an hour later I felt almost normal. They kept me in the detox for 48 hours then discharged me to a sober house with a script and an appointment with a doc who took Medicaid. The doc put me on 8/2 3 times a day; I was at that dose for 10 months, then we decided I would start tapering. So at my next appointment he told me to break my morning dose in half, and keep it at that dose for a month, blah blah ray ray.

Well PS - the practice that my sub doc was treating me out of decided to stop taking Medicaid. I showed up for my next appointment all proud of myself for sticking to the dose exactly, and when I got there, the receptionist told me, "Oh, sorry, Dr. Donothing can't see you unless you pay $150." No phone call warning me, no opportunity to find another doc that takes my Medicaid HMO, nothing. So now there I was stuck with two days' worth of subs left and no way to get another script. I was pissed. The doc felt kind of bad (it was practice policy - he's only there once a week, it's an outpatient drug and alcohol treatment center) so he wrote me for a week and said "Good luck."

I have spent the past few months searching high and low for a new doc. ALL of them, it seems, want $500 for an initial consult and then $150 - $200 per visit, and they want you to come in every week or every two. It sucks ass. I ended up hurting my back in a really bad fall at the end of January and wound up on narcotic pain meds anyway, so now I'm back on THAT effing merry-go-round, but what the hell man? Suboxone/bupe was supposed to be like some miracle drug, letting you live like a normal person instead of dosing at the clinic every day. I ended up fully addicted to the subs, and 10 weeks after I stopped them I still fully felt like ass.

I'm sorry this rant is so effing long, but what a racket! And all a doc has to do to be able to write it is to get that little "x" in front of their DEA number - my doc told me it's about the easiest thing in the world, but none of them want "junkies" hanging around their offices I guess.

Okay, rant over.

You are such a little prissy spoiled brat. You expect the doctor & nurse to work for free just because you want the easy way out of using dope. Or better yet, only when the government won't pay for you to kick. So fucking ridiculous. Subs are a miracle drug -- you fucking get a prescription from a doctor, not a clinic, and fill the prescription at a fucking pharmacy. And subs are supposed to be used just like methadone -- you slowly decrease your dose (most of SWIM's people have quit taking subs for no longer than one month, going from in 2 cases, a gram a day of quality tar)


Attention: YOU ARE A FUCKING JUNKIE. Not because you like to get high, but because when it's no longer convenient to get high (likely because you have a tolerance now, boohoo) you expect the govt. & other people to just pay for you to quit with subs. No, not you actually pay the doctor out of your paycheck (if you have a fulltime job, which i doubt) and fill the prescription yourself. Pathetic. And then you cry and moan because you have withdrawls (again, because you started taking opiate medication in full knowledge of the side effects). Do you honestly expect doctors and nurses at a HOSPITAL to be more interested in you having mild withdrawls (and yes, you have mild withdrawls. I do .5g's of either quality tar or good powder dope to get high. And all I have is nausea and the craving and my ass gets sweaty and it's hard to get comfortable. I used to have much more severe withdrawls when I did less. Most of withdrawls are in your head.) than in patients who are having lifethreatining conditions? You are truly pathetic.

[Oxyrisin2]

Where did you come from. Your posts are about as worthless as you.
Go climb back up your ass and get the fuck out of here .
Your a real piece of shit aren't you

LOOK EVERYONE WE HAVE A REAL PIECE OF SHIT HERE WITH ALL HIS KNOWLEDGE ^^^
HAHA I just looked at his profile, He has 1,000 posts and not a single friend..
Looking at the quality of his threads its no wonder why..

[orele]

$500 for the first visit and then $150 for the visits after? Bloody hell that's some stupid fee's. Why not come over to the UK? NHS is bliss, I remember I used to get two weeks supply of subs for only £6 and paid nothing for my referal to the substance misuse team.
It's seems like you were on a very high dose of subs, the system there just seems wrong.

[TokeTrip]

Where did you come from. Your posts are about as worthless as you.
Go climb back up your ass and get the fuck out of here .
Your a real piece of shit aren't you

LOOK EVERYONE WE HAVE A REAL PIECE OF SHIT HERE WITH ALL HIS KNOWLEDGE ^^^
HAHA I just looked at his profile, He has 1,000 posts and not a single friend..
Looking at the quality of his threads its no wonder why..

It's probably because I don't need internet friends -- it's a strange thing that happens when you have people to hang out with. and just because you fucking are a little girl who thinks he gets sick from a little bit of oxy every day isn't my fault. When I only did a little shit I thought I got realy sick too, but now I realize the stupidity of tricking yourself into thinking you're sick when you aren't, or tricking oneself into thinking you are far sicker than you are. So also I now have a hard time respecting people who have tricked themself into thinking they have a super serious habit and get so so sick when the reality is they are just lazy and thinks the world owes them something because they get a sniffle and think they are sick because they do a whole 20-100mg of oxy a day. Boo fucking hoo.

[Dillygirl]

Oh wow. A 19 year old fucking Einstein is going to tell me all about myself. On the interwebs. Because he thinks he can.

Listen little guy - I realize that you're likely angry because your life is already in the toilet and not about to get any better, which sucks at your age, it really does. Not that I have to explain myself to you, but since you can't seem to comprehend simple Engrish, let me break it down for you: I was seeing the sub doctor for months. MONTHS. He had be on 24 mg. We started tapering. I was down to 16. I showed up for my appointment and was told with no warning that if I didn't pay $150 in cash I was not getting my suboxone. I said I didn't have $150. They told me to come back when I did. Also, he was okay to write the buspar, neurontin and trazadone that day, but not the suboxone. Now, little guy, you fucking genius, what does that sound like to you? Take some time, don't rush, just think about it (in between beating off to doggie porn on Red Tube). Because it sure as shit sounds to me like he's become a dealer rather than a doctor. I found out that the practice no longer takes ANY state-based insurance programs. Hmmm. Wonder why.

Not everybody's like you, little guy. Some of us work full time and have lives, and it's really kind of hard to do all the things I need to do with a full time job, a man and two kids when I can barely move because of my back. I started taking pain meds because of PAIN, asshole. I fully know the difference between mild wd's and full blown ones, I was up to 2 1/2 bundles a day when I stopped in 06, so go fuck directly off please kthx.

[Bluez_Snooze]

^^ i wouldn't bother with him Dilly.
its like he makes an effort to be a total dickhead when he posts on these forums...

[Dillygirl]

Oh but I ENJOY having a teenager with a Napolean Complex searching out my posts so he can tell me all about me.:cool:

[Dillygirl]

Yeah so I tried again today to find someone who wouldn't charge me $500 for a consult - I just cannot afford that - and I found out that the only way to get the shit is to go to detox at the one hospital that is licensed, and it's a crapshoot if they'll take me since I'm not like deathly ill in withdrawals - and come out with a prescription and then they'll maintain me. Fuckin' hell. I'm really pissed off at the practice I was going to for not giving me ANY kind of warning that they were cutting off my HMO.

[TokeTrip]

Oh wow. A 19 year old fucking Einstein is going to tell me all about myself. On the interwebs. Because he thinks he can.

Listen little guy - I realize that you're likely angry because your life is already in the toilet and not about to get any better, which sucks at your age, it really does. Not that I have to explain myself to you, but since you can't seem to comprehend simple Engrish, let me break it down for you: I was seeing the sub doctor for months. MONTHS. He had be on 24 mg. We started tapering. I was down to 16. I showed up for my appointment and was told with no warning that if I didn't pay $150 in cash I was not getting my suboxone. I said I didn't have $150. They told me to come back when I did. Also, he was okay to write the buspar, neurontin and trazadone that day, but not the suboxone. Now, little guy, you fucking genius, what does that sound like to you? Take some time, don't rush, just think about it (in between beating off to doggie porn on Red Tube). Because it sure as shit sounds to me like he's become a dealer rather than a doctor. I found out that the practice no longer takes ANY state-based insurance programs. Hmmm. Wonder why.

Not everybody's like you, little guy. Some of us work full time and have lives, and it's really kind of hard to do all the things I need to do with a full time job, a man and two kids when I can barely move because of my back. I started taking pain meds because of PAIN, asshole. I fully know the difference between mild wd's and full blown ones, I was up to 2 1/2 bundles a day when I stopped in 06, so go fuck directly off please kthx.


Are you serious? Do you really think I would say what I say if I didn't work full time as a supervisor at a call center (just got promoted) in addition to going to college taking one class short of a full time schedule without any FAFSA or help from my parents. Just because you fucking think you have horrible withdrawls from a relatively minor opiate habit and you think despite taking pain meds to "feel nice" (quoted from a post you made) you are taking them for pain, which I have no doubt you suffer from, but it seems to me that if you were more interested in taking them to deal solely with pain, that you would be interested in simply feeling okay/normal.

Withdrawls are so much in the mind that I used to feel aboslutely unbearable withdrawls when I was doing half a .3(.3 of this brown shit was roughly the equivalent of a bundle, give or take. I did 3 bags of "good" two tone stamp shit from NYC, shit from the south and west sides in chicago, some bomb powder in indy, and none of it was even half the value at 100 a g, price*purity(in percent) compared to shit from here a few years ago) bag to get high of some absolutely fantastic shit. A person without a tolerance doing an eigth of one of those .3 bags and puke/nod all night, borderline fall out. Muscle firmication, horrible nausea, constant cold sweats, skin pain, back/leg aches, the full shebang. With a higher tolerance, but having gotten over the mental part for the most part (when I went to jail for 3 days, I hadn't withdrawn in roughly 2 years, I didn't remember at all what it was like, and went in with the attitude it won't be that bad, just try to ignore it. And it worked, tolerance 6 or 7 times bigger. All I had was pretty bad nausea, and the occasional getting super hot, when I would just lay on the jail floor for a second. Maybe three times the third day total. And I'm sure you've seen people complain that they are sick after only 6-9 hours at some point. That's simply not possible in 99% of people, and they aren't the other 1%, 99% of the time. Getting sick from 24mg of buprenorephrine would be nothing more than the first symptoms of a good size heroin habit (sniffles, eyes watering, lack of appetite, sweaty ass) and maybe a little nausea.

By the way, taking subs is not a long-term solution for exactly the reason you made this post. As I'm sure you're aware, doctors have to charge such ridiculous fees primarly because of insurance costs, not just because they warrant a good salary for their education. And also, because of the risk involved both in terms of financial risk and non-financial risk (reputation, licence, changing laws and jail/other criminal penalties, likelihood of civil suits) the doctors who choose to base their practice around treating opiate dependancy more often than not do so for money, and becaus of the risk involved, generally are more likely to be shady/dishonest/unscrupulous. Although some doctors choose the aforesaid field because they truly believe in helping people dependant on opiates, they are by far the minority.

I almost never go to forums because people piss me off. I'd rather just talk with people who have half a brain on them, but I started using the internet lately because of my new position.


EDIT: I don't fucking search out your posts. I read the opiate forum from time to time, and I reply to posts I find interesting, intelligent, ignorant, or stupid.

[Dillygirl]

Go you. Do you want a fucking cookie because you're 19 and going to college? That's what you're supposed to be doing - that's what I did. So fuck you and your call center promotion.

As I said before, I know full well what heavy wd feels like. And I never said I was in it now. But for your information - and despite the fact that this isn't a recovery board - suboxone is used to reduce cravings as well as stave off withdrawal.

I'm glad you're not a physician, and I certainly hope that when you're done with community college you don't try to go into any of the helping professions, because you're a miserable little fuckhead.

Have a nice day.

[TokeTrip]

Yeah so I tried again today to find someone who wouldn't charge me $500 for a consult - I just cannot afford that - and I found out that the only way to get the shit is to go to detox at the one hospital that is licensed, and it's a crapshoot if they'll take me since I'm not like deathly ill in withdrawals - and come out with a prescription and then they'll maintain me. Fuckin' hell. I'm really pissed off at the practice I was going to for not giving me ANY kind of warning that they were cutting off my HMO.


There are some reliable OCS websites and online pharmacies (domestic requires consult/script generally 70-150 for online consult/ over-the-phone consult). Check out drugbuyers.com for reviews on online consult services as well as online pharmacies that have their own doctor. Despite the many illegitimate/scam online pharmacies, following the reviews at drugbuyers.com, I've never been ripped off, and my mother now purchases her multiple sclerosis medications (including neurotin/baclofen for nerve pain). Most international pharmacies have buprenorephine that goes under the trade name temgesic, if I remeber correctly.

[TokeTrip]

Go you. Do you want a fucking cookie because you're 19 and going to college? That's what you're supposed to be doing - that's what I did. So fuck you and your call center promotion.

As I said before, I know full well what heavy wd feels like. And I never said I was in it now. But for your information - and despite the fact that this isn't a recovery board - suboxone is used to reduce cravings as well as stave off withdrawal.

I'm glad you're not a physician, and I certainly hope that when you're done with community college you don't try to go into any of the helping professions, because you're a miserable little fuckhead.

Have a nice day.

Ah, fuck off, my point was that your assumptions about my life were incorrect (also, I go to OSU, not a community college). Do you really think that being 35 and fucking around being a little kid is appropriate for someone your age? You act and talk just like the live-in girlfriend of my last roomate and shes 22 and immature and think the world owes her something, just like you. And you've had an extra 13 years to fix that shit. Isn't there a button to hide someone's posts? I'm gonna go find it.

[Dillygirl]

I care.

Really.

I do.

[Dillygirl]

By the way, over a thousand posts for someone who "just recently started using the internet?" Interesting.

[smokeybear2]

damn, i started on 8/2 3 a day also, but within 5 months was down to 2mg a day.. my treatment only lasted 6 months, looks like they planned to collect money from you for a while..which is so fucked cause they do that man, these sub docs.. and dude from columbus..thats where im at.. you messed around with those mexicans too? haha

[Dillygirl]

It's a total racket, and really, there's nothing to be done about it til suboxone is generic. I'll live, I was just venting.

[Feelings 0f U4ia is Back!]

A call center supervisor! Watch out! It took me less then 3 months to get to that position, rofl.

You get that position faster then being a manager at McDonalds.

A call center, rofl.

Also...with Oxycodone having a half-life of 2-3 hours...how do you figure WD's are IMPOSSIBLE at 8-12 hours?

Rofl.

[Dillygirl]

Uh - because he's not a junkie like the rest of us - he's just a regular college student who recreationally uses heroin, goes to Stoneonta (SUNY schools aside from Stony Brook are NOT something to brag about, just sayin') and has his shit totally together. He knows EVERYTHING, didn't you know? And he knows all about me and my life, which I find downright fascinating.

[Bluez_Snooze]

all hail TokeTrip.
this guy is totally my idol.
when i grow up, i wanna be a call center supervisor:cool:

[lilbear]

TokeTrip, I have went threw some of your posts and you sound like you are very confused.In one thread you say "I use "BUT" I don't think of myself as a junkie,just a dopehead.Can you tell me what the fuck is the difference???For someone that is not a junkie you sure know alot about heroin.I also remember you saying that Oxy's are roughly $.60 (if lucky) to $.80 per mg of (avg) in the midwest at retail,hmm how would a uy that is not a "junkie" know this?

How many charges do you have for messing with dope? I recall 2 that YOU have mentioned.In my oppion people that don't have a problem with dope do not have dope charges.That coming from an addict as myself.

And you sure use the term "swim" alot,we all can see you are referring to yourself.

I think you coming on these here threads and calling Dillygirl a FUCKING JUNKIE was a real douche move.You DO NOT live inside her body,or anyone's elses for that matter.Who the hell are you to call anyone names,and tell them how their withdrawls effect them? I guess a needle is alot better than pills in your mind.:rolleyes: I realy think you should appologize to everyone that you called a junkie on these forums,but I dought you have the balls to do that.

Anywho I hope you have a nice day...
Denial is such a bitch!!! ;)

Ps Dillygirl I am sorry to derail your thread...:)

[Dillygirl]

LMAO hahahahaha don't apologize. And really? I don't give a shit that a 19 year old poser called me a fucking junkie. I'll just wait til the next time his recreational use gets him thrown in jail (a place I've never been, by the by)