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hippiehillbilly
02-24-2009, 04:30 PM
I cant take credit for any of this research,however i do thank those who took the time to dig all this up.

prepare to be shocked,dismayed and outraged..

heres the info gathered,you can connect the dots yourself..

China is calling the shots on this one.

AIG was founded in China in the 1900s, then kicked out. In the early 90s, AIG wanted back in to China and China wanted to join the WTO. Greenspan make something like 35 trips to China negotiating the deal. China wanted the customary 50 percent ownership of AIG as a foreign company, but they had to give up all ownership to get into the WTO. Now AIG is the only 100 foreign-owned company operating in China. And the largest.

This is where it gets bad.

Basically, the Chinese are savers, so AIG captured almost all of China's private money, setting up a pension fund for the Chinese in the late 90s. They're like the Social Security system. AIG also insures China's own banking investments. When AIG faltered last fall, it almost brought down the Hong Kong Exchange.

We immediately got our marching orders from China on the AIG bailouts.

You can figure out the rest... http://www.dailykos.com/comments/200...939/985/22#c22 (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2009/2/23/153939/985/22#c22)

http://china.blogs.time.com/2008/09/...uld_a_special/ (http://china.blogs.time.com/2008/09/18/aig_and_china_could_a_special/)

AIG headquarters in New York

AIG companies in China —— At a glance

1919 The AIG companies were one of the very few U.S. companies to have their origins in China when their founder, C.V. Starr, formed American Asiatic Underwriters in Shanghai.
1921 C. V. Starr founded Asia Life Insurance Company, the first foreign life operation to offer products and services to the Chinese people.
1931 International Assurance Company, Ltd was established. It was renamed American International Assurance Company, Limited in 1948.
1975 AIG former Chairman & CEO, Maurice R. Greenberg, made his first visit to Beijing and has since traveled many times to China.
1980 The AIG companies opened a representative office in Beijing, the first set up in modern China by a foreign financial institution.
China America Insurance Company (CAIC) was formed as a 50-50 joint venture between AIG companies and the People's Insurance Company of China (PICC). This was the first joint venture between a foreign insurance organization and PICC.
1990 The AIG companies organized, financed and chaired a major financial services conference in Shanghai to assist then Mayor Zhu Rongji in introducing the international financial community to investment opportunities in Shanghai.
1992 The AIG companies strengthened their presence in China through a branch office of AIA in Shanghai, the first foreign-owned life and non-life insurance business to receive a license from the People's Bank of China.
1994 AIA-Shanghai and Fudan University jointly established AIA-Fudan Actuarial Center.
AIA Information Technology (Guangzhou) Co., Ltd. was established.
1995 The AIG companies were granted life and non-life insurance licenses for Guangzhou by the People's Bank of China.
1996 AIA signed a 30-year lease agreement on the building at 17 Zhongshan East No. 1 Road in the heart of Shanghai's famous Bund. This special building was home to C. V. Starr's original Shanghai insurance companies.
AIA-Zhongda Actuarial Center was established in Guangzhou.
1997 On approval from the People's Bank of China, AIA Shanghai General Insurance Division was re-named and established as AIU Insurance Company Shanghai Branch.
1998 AIA celebrated its historic return to Shanghai's Bund.
1999 The AIG companies obtained licenses from the China Insurance Regulatory Commission (CIRC) to operate life and non-life insurance business in Foshan and Shenzhen. AIA and AIU Foshan sub-branches and Shenzhen branches were officially opened to operate life and non-life insurance.
AIA-Keda Actuarial Center was established in Hefei, capital of Anhui province.
2000 AIA Information Technology (Beijing) Co. Ltd. was established.
2001 The AIG companies were granted approval from the CIRC to set up wholly-owned life insurance operations in Beijing and Suzhou, as well as two sub-branches in the cities of Dongguan and Jiangmen in Guangdong Province.
A representative office was opened in Chengdu, Sichuan Province.
2002 AIA branch offices were opened in Beijing and Suzhou, and sub-branch offices in Dongguan and Jiangmen.
AIG Consulting Services Co, Ltd. was established in Beijing.
AIG Global Investment Corporation (Asia) established a representative office in Shanghai.
AIA-Beida Actuarial Center was established in Beijing.
2003 The AIG companies acquired a 9.9% stake in PICC P&C's outstanding share capital at its Initial Public Offering in Hong Kong, and reached a co-operative agreement with PICC P&C to develop the accident and health insurance market in China.
2004 AIG Global Investment Corporation, Huatai Securities Company Limited and three other participants were granted approval from the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) to start preparatory work for the establishment of AIG-Huatai Fund Management Company Limited. The compamy was approved to open business in November.
2005 Approved by the China Securities Regulatory Commission, The Ministry of Commerce and the State Administration for Industry and Commerce, AIG Global Investment Corp. raised its stake in AIG-Huaitai Fund Management Company Limited, from 33 percent to 49 percent.

AIG Private Bank Ltd. received approval from the China banking Regulatory Commission to set up its representative office in Shanghai. It is the first foreign private bank to receive approval to open a representative office in Shanghai.http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=84500&page=1

hippiehillbilly
02-24-2009, 04:32 PM
AIG’s (AIG) Plan To Bleed The Government Dry
Posted: February 23, 2009 at 7:19 pm

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Management at AIG (AIG) has calculated exactly how much money the Treasury and Fed will have access to after all of the TARP, financial stimulus, and mortgage bailout projects have been funded. The insurance company then plans to ask for whatever is left to fund its deficits so that it can stay in business, effectively making the federal government insolvent.

According to CNBC, AIG is about to post another huge loss. “Sources close to the company said the loss will be near $60 billion due to writedowns on a variety of assets including commercial real estate.” The financial channel also reports that the need for capital may be so great that AIG might have to enter Chapter 11, something the government has spent over $130 billion trying to prevent.

Just like Detroit, Bank of America (BAC), and Citigroup (C), AIG is playing a game of chicken with Washington that the government does not feel it can afford to lose. Imagine what it would be like if all of these businesses failed at the same time.

It is actually worth imagining. The government has so many balls in the air between the financial systems and deteriorating parts of the industrial sector that it may not have either the capital or intellectual capacity to go around. The Treasury has just appointed a prominent investment banker to help oversee the mess in Detroit, but it would take an army of financiers to first comprehend and then advise on what should happen to GM (GM) and Chrysler. The period for comprehension is already in the past. The trouble in the auto industry has to be addressed in the next few weeks or its capacity to operate will go up in flames.

The government made noises about taking a larger position in Citigroup (C). Based on the market’s reaction, not may analysts and investors believe that the action will solve much. The poison of bad investments is in the blood of the financial system. Quarantining Citigroup will not solve that problem. The Treasury and Fed will have to take a holistic approach which involves healing the entire financial system. It is not clear that can even be done. How it would be done is an even more complicated matter.

The Little Dutch Boy is running out of fingers. The water that threatens to swamp the international financial system is getting closer to breaching the walls and pouring in. A month ago that seemed inconceivable. Now the odds that the government will have to allow large operations like AIG go into bankruptcy are fairly high. The trouble with that is not what will happen to AIG. As the market found out with the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy, many of the firms that are doing business with a very large financial institution when it becomes insolvent can have transactions worth billions of dollars wither voided or devalued.

In the intricate global financial system, there is no such things as one big player going down in a vacuum.

Douglas A. McIntyre
http://247wallst.com/2009/02/23/aigs...ry/#more-24973 (http://247wallst.com/2009/02/23/aigs-aig-plan-to-bleed-the-government-dry/#more-24973)

wait it gets better,or worse..:rolleyes:

hippiehillbilly
02-24-2009, 04:35 PM
Here's a list of the Policies and Countries that YOUR TAX-MONEY is Bailingout;
http://www.aiggmd.com/AigGmd/Downloa...pabilities.pdf (http://www.aiggmd.com/AigGmd/Downloadables/WorldwideCapabilities.pdf)

Policies
AHICO First American Hungarian Insurance Company
AIA American International Assurance Company, Limited
AIAPT AIA Pension and Trustee Company, Ltd.
AIU American International Underwriters
ALGICO American Life and General Insurance Company
ALICO American Life Insurance Company
AMCICO First American Czech Insurance Company
AMPLICO First Polish Life Insurance and Reinsurance
Company
AMSLICO First American Slovak Insurance Company
ASI American Security International, Ltd.
* Capabilities delivered via non-AIG-owned partner
companies for multinational benefits.

Capabilities delivered by member companies of the
AIG Global Benefits Network through EURAPCO.
EURAPCO is an alliance of independent European
companies in partnership with AIG to market and
service multinational employee benefits programs
on a worldwide basis.
** In the process of obtaining the license.
† †
Effective 1/1/2007 Group Life offered by AIG Life
(Ireland) to multinational organizations requiring
coverage in multiple EU countries.
L Group Life
M Medical (can include Dental
and Vision)
D Disability (can include TPD,
LTD, and STD)
A Accident
P Pension
M-1 Medical Administrative
Services Only

Countries
COUNTRY - ISSUING COMPANY - PRODUCTS
Antigua ALICO L M D A P
Argentina ALICO Compañia de Seguros, S.A. L D A M-1
Aruba ALICO L M D A P
Australia AIG Australia L D A
Austria AIG-Europe /AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Gothaer*† L D A P M-1
Bahrain ALICO L M D A P
Bangladesh ALICO L M D A
Barbados ALICO L M D A P
Belgium AIG-Europe /AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Ethias*† L M D A P
Bonaire ALICO L M D A P
Brazil Unibanco AIG Vida e Previdência S.A. L M D A P
Brunei AIA L M D A
Bulgaria AIG Life L D A M-1
Canada AIG Life of Canada L M D A
Cayman Islands ALICO L D A P
Chile Interamericana Cia. de Seguros de Vida S.A. L M D A
China AIA L M D A P
Colombia AIG Colombia Seguros de Vida S.A. L M D A P
Curacao ALICO L M D A P
Cyprus ALICO L M D A P
Czech Republic First American Czech Insurance Company L D A M-1
Denmark AIG-Europe /AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Topdanmark*† L M D A P
Dominica ALICO L M D A P
Ecuador AIG Metropolitana L M D A
Egypt Pharaonic American Life Insurance Company L M D A P
El Salvador AIG S.A. Seguros de Personas L M D A
Finland AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Tapiola*† L M D A P
France ALICO S.A./AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Quatrem*† L M D A P
Germany AIG-Europe /AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Gothaer *† L M D A P
Greece ALICO L M D A P
Grenada ALICO L M D A P
Guatemala La Seguridad de Centroamérica, S.A. L M D A
Honduras Seguros El Ahorro Hondureño* L M D A
Hong Kong AIA/AIAPT L M D A P M-1
Hungary AHICO First American Hungarian Insurance Company. Zrt. L D A M-1
India Tata-AIG Life Insurance Company, Ltd. L A P
Indonesia AIA/AIG Life L M D A P M-1
Ireland AIG-Europe (Ireland)/AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Friends First*† L D P
Israel AIG Israel Insurance Company, Ltd. L A D
Italy Unionvita S.p.A./AIG Life (Ireland)† † L M D A P
Jamaica Life of Jamaica Limited* L M D A
Japan ALICO/AIG Star/AIG Edison L M A
Jordan ALICO L M D A P
Kuwait ALICO L M D A P
Latvia AMPLICO Life First American - Polish Life Insurance and Reinsurance Company JSC L D A P
Lebanon ALICO L M D A P
Liechtenstein American Security Life Insurance Co., Ltd. /Swiss Mobiliar *† L D A P
Lithuania AMPLICO Life First American - Polish Life Insurance and Reinsurance Company JSC L D A P
Macau AIA L M D A P M-1
Malaysia AIA L M D A M-1
Mexico AIG Mexico Compañia de Seguros de Vida, S.A. L M D A
Nepal ALICO L A
Netherlands AIG-Europe /AIG Life (Ireland)† † /Achmea*† L M D A P
New Zealand AIG Life L A D
Nicaragua Seguros América* L M D A
Norway AIG Europe /AIG Life (Ireland)† † /
Gjensidige*† /Vital Forsikring ASA*† L D A P M-1
Oman ALICO L M D A P
Pakistan ALICO L M D A P
Panama ALICO L M D A
Peru El Pacifico Vida Compañia de Seguro y Reaseguros L D A M-1
Philippines PhilamLife/PhilamCare/Philam Plans L M A M-1
Poland AMPLICO Life First Polish Life Insurance & Reinsurance Company S.A. L D A P M-1
Portugal ALICO/AIG Life (Ireland)† † L D A P
Qatar ALICO L M D A P
Romania AIG Life Asigurari Romania L D A P M-1
Russia AIG Life Insurance Company L M D A P
Saudi Arabia ALICO L M D A P
Singapore AIA L M D A M-1
Slovakia AIG Services Central Europe, a.s. L D A M-1
South Korea AIA L M A
Spain ALICO/AIG Life (Ireland)† † L D A P M-1
Sri Lanka Hayleys AIG Insurance Company M-1
St. Eustatius ALICO L M D A P
St. Kitts ALICO L M D A P
St. Lucia ALICO L M D A P
St. Maarten ALICO L M D A P
St. Vincent ALICO L M D A P
Sweden AIG-Europe /AIG Life (Ireland)† † /LF Group*† L M D A P
Switzerland AIG-Europe/Swiss Mobiliar Insurance & Pensions*† L D A P
Taiwan Nan Shan Life Insurance Company, Ltd./ALICO L M D A M-1
Thailand AIA L M A P M-1
Trinidad & Tobago American Life & General Insurance Co. (Trinidad & Tobago) Ltd. L M D A P
Turkey American Life Hayat Sigorta, A.S. L M D A
Ukraine ALICO L D A M-1
United Arab Emirates ALICO L M D A P
United Kingdom ALICO/AIG Life (Ireland)† † /ASI /Remedi * L D A P
United States AIG American General L D A P
Uruguay ALICO L D A
Uzbekistan Uzbek American Insurance Co. M-1
Venezuela Seguros Venezuela, C.A. L M D A
Vietnam AIA L A

YOUR TAXPAYER MONEY AT WORK!

hippiehillbilly
02-24-2009, 04:36 PM
remember this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONUSxiGN4m4

practice your mandarin folks,china will soon be our overlords..

HawaiianEye
02-24-2009, 07:03 PM
They never should have bailed out the banks-thats for sure.FDR got the US out of the Great Depression with less money(adjusted for inflation) than these rediculous corporate bailouts cost.And that money was spent on US citizens.---And FDR was hated by big businesses,thats one reason he was loved by so many American citizens.----When is the Obama administration going to kick out every big business special interest group?Actions speak louder than words,I'm not interested in any of his(Obamas) speeches.

neim
02-24-2009, 07:09 PM
I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords.

Fyrenza
02-25-2009, 10:12 AM
They never should have bailed out the banks-thats for sure.FDR got the US out of the Great Depression with less money(adjusted for inflation) than these rediculous corporate bailouts cost.And that money was spent on US citizens.---And FDR was hated by big businesses,thats one reason he was loved by so many American citizens.----When is the Obama administration going to kick out every big business special interest group?Actions speak louder than words,I'm not interested in any of his(Obamas) speeches.

WT???

DUDE.

FDR was the beginning of all of this.

THAT is where it started.

The "programs?";

the sociatial "helps?";

the "entitlement" of America, to covet whatever isn't theirs, because they are EVERY bit as valuable as any old CEO. Nevermind about the CEO's level of training, be it a BS, MA, even PhD ~ you know,

whatever. <sniff>

THAT is a classic case of someone that wanted to help, and truly wielded all of his power towards those ends,

who just messed things up,

horribly.

Not because he was an evil man.

Not because he had evil aims.

WE just went on from the beauty of what he tried to show us, TO mess it all up:

into women who will have children in order to support a drug habit;

into making folks have to lie, in order to be considered 'elligible' for the CRUMBS that are actually (despite our GENEROUSITY) given to the needy;

so on and so forth.

i mean, join something like Meals on Wheels, or a reading service, or a church group that does in-home visits, and SEE!

See what they eat.

See how they have to live.

See what they have.

These folks aren't dropping dead of heat/cold all around us just because of heat/cold ~

they are starving;

they are lacking basic medical help;

some are lacking SHELTER, a place to just flop, to maybe wash some clothes, the d'which of which, they don't have many,

and maybe take a nice, hot shower.

i was a city bus driver. In Austin, we had a lot of homeless folks. Most of the drivers felt that allowing these people to just ride all night, in the A/C or nice heat was something, like, against the rules or something.

Guess what? i never had any problem, just welcoming them aboard (we were allowed to give free rides, mind you), and letting them relax for just a little. It wasn't very long. A couple of arounds. Well, and the getting lost, constantly, part, which could run into some overtime... :rolleyes:

They managed to sleep through even that, with no bitches that i ever heard about! ;)

Oh, man, here we go, again...

Ummm,

what was the question, again, please?

TheGanjaKing
02-26-2009, 04:07 PM
They never should have bailed out the banks-thats for sure.FDR got the US out of the Great Depression with less money(adjusted for inflation) than these rediculous corporate bailouts cost.And that money was spent on US citizens.---And FDR was hated by big businesses,thats one reason he was loved by so many American citizens.----When is the Obama administration going to kick out every big business special interest group?Actions speak louder than words,I'm not interested in any of his(Obamas) speeches.

Maybe you should just stop arguing about things you know nothing about


Frynza is correct in her post