WTF? New plans everybody?

[earthmother]

Panasonic to fly home workers' families over bird flu fears (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jFX14blXVvoh4Q3z6XtKKFeydIug)

2 days ago
TOKYO (AFP) — Panasonic Corp. has ordered Japanese employees in some foreign countries to send their families home to Japan in preparation for a possible bird flu pandemic, a spokesman said Tuesday.
Family members of Japanese employees in parts of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Russia, former Soviet states and Latin America will fly back to Japan by the end of September, Panasonic spokesman Akira Kadota said.
The firm decided to take the rare measure "well ahead of possible confusion at the outbreak of a global pandemic," he said.
Eight people have contracted the H5N1 bird flu virus in China alone this year -- five of whom died.
"The bird flu cases reported so far are infections from bird to human, but once an infection between human beings is reported, things can get chaotic with many other companies trying to bring back their employees," Kadota said.
"We wanted to take action early before it gets difficult to book flight tickets," he said.
The company did not say how many family members would return to Japan. Employees and their families in North America, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore will not be affected.
The H5N1 strain of the virus that is most dangerous to humans first emerged in Asia in 2003 and has since caused nearly 250 deaths, according to World Health Organisation figures.
Bird flu, or avian influenza, kills mainly birds but scientists fear it could mutate to jump from human to human, sparking a global pandemic.
Panasonic said last week it was cutting 15,000 jobs and closing dozens of plants worldwide as it braces to fall deep in the red due to the global economic crisis.

[hippiehillbilly]

I saw this the other day,makes you wonder if they know something we are not being told..

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

buy stock in Interferon & Ribavirin then

[hippiehillbilly]

what does buying stock do to insure your families health and well being?

NOTHING..

no i think the best thing one can do is to have enough supplies on hand to quarantine themselves for a few months if a outbreak begins..

I assure you,the first sign of a outbreak we are locking the gate and hunkering down till further notice. no outsiders will be allowed anywhere near here.

Imo, thats your best chance for survival. to stand in line waiting on a shot with the masses will only serve to increase your risk of infection.

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

I assure you,the first sign of a outbreak we are locking the gate


Birds fly ;-)

[hippiehillbilly]

i dont plan on bringing wild birds into my house. ;)

its actually not likely that one can contract it from a bird.
good hygiene in most instances will prevent that from happening.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/avian-flu-humans.htm

its humans who will spread it if it was to become a pandemic.

[earthmother]

I'm wondering what about our chickens?

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

Glad you didn't take it the wrong way, you did kind of set yourself up though:D


I find it rather unusual that Hep-c and Sars both go with the same treatment though many clinicians now suspect that ribavirin is detrimental

Hard to say wtf is going to happen. Anti-biotics losing effectiveness more and more... future looks a little bleak

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

I'm wondering what about our chickens?

when you buy chickens , do you have to fill out a form so your state can keep track of them, we did

[hippiehillbilly]

use hygiene with your chickens,wash in wash out. dont allow anyone off your farm to come in contact with your birds.
if you bring in new birds,have a quarantine area well away from your established flock..

the bottom line is,even if your flock were to become infected,with proper hygiene,the chances of you catching it from them is slim..

check out the link to the cdc i posted..

as i said,,IF there was a outbreak in humans,it would mainly be human to human transmitted from there on..

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

Hanta virus is the big scare here

[hippiehillbilly]

when you buy chickens , do you have to fill out a form so your state can keep track of them, we did

we dont have anything leaning towards NAIS in this state.

i refuse to register my animals in any way even if they did.

NoNAIS.org (http://nonais.org/)

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

so Billy, no letting the chickens range then?

[hippiehillbilly]

this is dilli now ..
but no our chickens cant free range here. They would be somethings midnite snack in a heart beat. They do however have the next best thing which is there coop and a few hundred square foot fenced(with top netting) outdoor area, all the gardens n house scraps they want ,fresh dug worms n other insects and this year they will even get a garden of there own to tend but cant ruin...

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

We could free range ours.. they would return to the coop towards evening , we'd lock em up at night. Read somewhere that having two coops and rotating ever so often cuts down on a lot of chicken diseases.

We had guineafowl also. Great bug eaters, good for tick control. Funny birds, they would make a chicken look smart

On registering the birds... not like they ask for a photo id or any id at all, but yeah just more big brother

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

But... I'm off the acreage now, I do miss the peace of it all, but keeping up on 10 acres is a lot of fucking work .. city slicker once again :-(

[hippiehillbilly]

well we have the herd dog here too. His instinct is to herd anything out of fence back to where it belongs. Thats all well and good he just doesnt realize chickens are smaller n more fragile than goats and dont herd like a goat and tends to kill them while trying to herd a chicken . Although the other morning one of the roos did escape and he heerded it mostly unhurt up to the house for us at 7 am...

[earthmother]

when you buy chickens , do you have to fill out a form so your state can keep track of them, we did

Nope. I'm getting some chicks of a different breed (Dark Cornish) from what we already have (Japanese Silkies) this spring - no paperwork, no questions. And I'm with the hippiehillbilly/dilly clan. No tracking devices for any livestock on this farm! Far as the dept. of Ag. census is concerned we are RETIRED...

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

Well, I have mixed feeling about it. I don't care for the big brother aspect of it all, but say something gets out of hand, then what?

[hippiehillbilly]

then what what??

something like what??

all our animals are born here and raised for our personal consumption. there is no other livestock within a mile of here..

we have both spent our whole lives on farms, my better half managed a 600 head dairy farm and has several years of accredited education in the farming and veterinarian fields.

we dont need anyone dictating to us how to manage our food supply.

in the event of a outbreak of some sort quarantining our farm would be no problem as no one ever comes here anyway..lol

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

do you consider yourself the rule or the exception?

[hippiehillbilly]

as far as small farms i would say earthmother and i are the general rule.

we live this way to be sustaining, to avoid what the government and society dictates you must do to survive.

we are stepping away,anything like the NAIS in my opinion infringes on our right to be independent of the system if we so choose..

and we so choose as much as possible.

[earthmother]

as far as small farms i would say earthmother and i are the general rule.

we live this way to be sustaining, to avoid what the government and society dictates you must do to survive.

we are stepping away,anything like the NAIS in my opinion infringes on our right to be independent of the system if we so choose..

and we so choose as much as possible.

Here - here!!!