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Hari
10-01-2004, 07:33 PM
As a tree is composed of seed, trunk and fruit, experiencing is made of three parts that by deeper definition are all one, except through time exactly as seed, trunk and fruit.

Conciousness is the name I give to the unknowable existence foundation of all and pure and basically timeless; it does not know it is, or "I am-that is".
This would be the seed.

Awareness is the name I give to the sensory input received via the five senses interacting with objects outside of them; there is now a witnessing of something;
This would be the trunk.

Imagination is the name I give to the digested input received from the outer world and juggled around in the ethereal world we call the mind. Now there is a sense of beingness, it knows "I am-that is".

This would be the fruit.
The mind is born.

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The mind has billions of functions, but all it does is remember, analise and identify; or Memory, Judgement and Identification.

At birth we have no memory, except maybe abstract impressions from the womb. As we interact with the eviroment, mind gathers these experiences and by these (memory) we begin separating what is far and near, what is cold and hot, what gives pleasure and what gives pain, what is good and what is evil (judgement).

At certain age, less than one year old, we have already a sense that there is separate entity, and that we are that separate self interacting with a world at large(identification)

As these three grow and grow, we become more complex in our memory our judgement and our identification.

Our sense of separation grows, we defend more, we fear more, we expect more.
We become thick with experience and knowledge, but we are not happier at any time.
Through more time we thirst for liberation, but in our confusion we look outside in the world for it, and fight against many others to support our memories, our judgements and our identifications. Now we join others that share our memories judgements and identifications, and form many groups.

Eventually we encounter those who have transcended the mind and the ego, and rare as that may be for many, we may glimpse at a royal state for while through the written words, or if more fortunate, their living presence. Their words, image, or time may vary, but the message is still the same: "know the truth and the truth shall set you free".

The freedom we seek is from the fetters of the individual mind; what separates our individual self from the boundless infinity, or all that is.

It is this separation we feel as pain, and what we seek to unite with (although it is never separate), but we continue to do it in the wrong way, and we bind ourselves even more.

The two paths are clear:

One seeks to increase the functions of mind, and the other to decrease it.

The talk of heaven and the history of religion is an extention of that (MJI)

The path of meditation is to feel that you are not the play of the mind; that what you are is a union of all experience, but you are not that.






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thumontico
10-01-2004, 11:48 PM
I do not comprehend your point.

Hari
10-02-2004, 05:06 AM
To stop the mind is to be really lucid.

Esty
03-28-2005, 05:36 AM
far out hari....that's some deep doodoo....i wish i understood what you're talking about