Please help me deal with a psychic bully.

[Leojay 44]

too much information

[PsyGrunge]

why not use brute force as opposed to a psychic attack?

..should be pretty easy, especially when he's deep in a trance trying to hurt you with his 'psychic powers'.

nothing a bit of good old fashioned violence won't sort out..

[Hoatzin]

You're absolutely fucking insane. That's fine, but don't take it out on people you live with. If you've actually got a reason to dislike him, then fine, but don't make up shit like this to justify it. It's not healthy.

[LanSLIde]

You may be trying to legitimize a grudge with him; perhaps it's merely his presence which bothers you

[mozart_hippie]

Did you ever talk to him about it? I mean like calmly.

[Leojay 44]

Whenever I feel these attacks I go into whatever room he's in and sure enough he's in a trance, or what I would call a trance. It's no coincidence, and that's obvious. Do you think it's normal to go into a trance when someone who you're teaching guitar is playing? For some reason when I'm playing or doing anything creative it's an opportune time for him to attack. Also if he knows I've smoked pot, he'll do it. Sometimes he'll let me smoke up with him and then lay into me.

There was even a point where he nodded to me with his eyes still closed when I began attacking him, to egg me on. That's kind of why I don't return fire much anymore, because he seems to want that to happen.

Talking to him is about it is out of the question, though sometimes when he's in a trance I'll say something like "you're really tired, huh?" but really it's not a position someone would go into when they're tired. From his posture and facial expression he appears to be very focused and intent on what he's doing.

[PsyGrunge]

One question (plus a few more).
If what you say holds any truth, why do you still associate yourself with him?
Why do you allow yourself to have guitar lessons with this man who torments you via some cosmologic form of psychic astral projection?
Why don't you get this man permanently removed from your house?!
Who IS he??!

Personally i think you're barking fucking mad, especially as you're asking people online what you should do. If people advised you to do something, would you go and do it?

If i told you to cut his hair off in his sleep and put it in a small wooden box with a flat surface and 3 candles placed on the top before waiting for the clock to strike midnight; all along closing your eyes while breathing deeply and visualising immense torture upon this fella, shortly before taking the candles off the top of the box, removing the hair from inside and burning a strand per candle until it's all gone - would you do it?!

...of course you fucking wouldn't.


Shpam. Bet you're loving these responses.

[Leojay 44]

He's going out with my mom. What, am I going to talk to my mom about this stuff when strangers who don't even know me think I'm nuts? All of this sounds ridiculous, because it is, but it's true.

It's not spam, I'm not making this stuff up. You can call me insane, and you'd be wrong in my opinion, but to say I'm just trying to have some fun isn't the case either.

And if someone gave me advice that sounded worth trying, I would try it.

[PsyGrunge]

Tell your mum.
I'm sure she'd put her own blood first.

[Hoatzin]

Whenever I feel these attacks I go into whatever room he's in and sure enough he's in a trance, or what I would call a trance. It's no coincidence, and that's obvious. Do you think it's normal to go into a trance when someone who you're teaching guitar is playing?

I'm not entirely clear on what state you're calling a "trance", to be honest.

But no, seriously, you're fucking nuts. Stop being fucking paranoid and take some responsibility for whatever antipathy you have towards this man, please. If he's done something to make you hate him, then hate him for that, but this smacks of bitterness seeking an excuse to rejuvenate. The fact that he supposedly does this when you're high speaks volumes.

[Hoatzin]

One question (plus a few more).
If what you say holds any truth, why do you still associate yourself with him?
Why do you allow yourself to have guitar lessons with this man who torments you via some cosmologic form of psychic astral projection?
Why don't you get this man permanently removed from your house?!
Who IS he??!

Personally i think you're barking fucking mad, especially as you're asking people online what you should do. If people advised you to do something, would you go and do it?

If i told you to cut his hair off in his sleep and put it in a small wooden box with a flat surface and 3 candles placed on the top before waiting for the clock to strike midnight; all along closing your eyes while breathing deeply and visualising immense torture upon this fella, shortly before taking the candles off the top of the box, removing the hair from inside and burning a strand per candle until it's all gone - would you do it?!


How much are you selling these boxes and candles for? I will pay anything.

[moondaddy]

Seriously I think you should ask the guy if he's doing X Y and Z to you and if so why and would you please knock it off. Keep your cool though.

[PsyGrunge]

How much are you selling these boxes and candles for? I will pay anything.

I wouldn't but a price on a carving from a natural source.
If anything, homemade is better.
:cool:

[kaminoishiki]

Well, the drugs clearly arent helping. Put them away.


Whatever meditation you claim to be doing is either a bollocks technique or you're not meditating properly. Meditation isn't just something you do to make you feel calm and healthy, you should use it to pierce deeply into your whole experience and examine everything that happens with scrutiny, if you're running away with pin prick feelings, groping sensations and suspicious thoughts then you've lost the thread. When you are meditating and something comes up in you simply recognise it, don't think about it, but just watch whatever it is, it will appear, linger, and then dissapear.

A sensation comes up, lingers a bit, and then leaves.
A thought comes up, lingers a bit, and then leaves. (woah, no thinker!?!)
A feeling comes up, lingers a bit, and then leaves.

Forget your bully, forget everything else, look more closely into meditation by looking more closely at yourself.

[Hoatzin]

I wouldn't but a price on a carving from a natural source.
If anything, homemade is better.
:cool:

Well that's no good, how can I feel safe if I don't spend any money?!

[PsyGrunge]

Well,
you gotta have faith;

oooooh, ya gotta haaave... FAITH

[Argiope aurantia]

Option A for simple protection:
When meditating, imagins that your skin is dragon's hide: completely impermeable. Imagine those little attacks as bouncing off of that hide. It has no weaknesses. Anything similar to this will work, as long as the barrier is strong. I've used dragon hide, a spider web (catches everything, and if inhabited the barrier fights back), and the traditional "white light" crap. If you're trying to astrally project, the hide may not be the best bet. Try the webs.

Option 2 for mild retaliation: Use a Sharpie Marker to draw a hand mirror on the left side of your body somewhere if right-handed, and the right side if left-handed. Reflect back his own badness.

Option 3 for massive retaliation (My favorite):
Write the offender's name on a piece of paper. A picture or bit of hair/nail will work even better. Take a bit of small mirror (Reflection), or if you're really pissed use a broken CD (Reflection, Refraction, Amplification, and Tearing), and place the paper between the mirror/CD and a larger mirror. Press them together well, and trap the offender in a mess of his own energies.
OR
Use 2 small mirrors/CDs, tape them closed over the name, and either wrap the mirrors in a black ball of acrylic yarn (another spider web reference: can you guess my totem?) or put it in a black bag of some kind (thrift store purse, porn store bag, hand-sewn drawstring with protective runes, whatever, but secure it closed). Bury the damned thing. Now he's not only "trapped" and "buried alive," but anything that gets out will be neutralized by the element of earth.

These last two shouldn't bring bad karma, as you're using his own energies to trap him. Also, I see no action in defence of yourself or your mother as negative, but then I'm not nearly as pacifist as many other witches are. By now I would have carved his name on a black candle and lit it or burned a photo of him with a black candle (Over-the-hill birthday candles from WalMart are excellent for this.) to banish him completely. Sulfur is good for such things as well, so burning it by match will do in a pinch. If you do that, make sure that your mother is NOT in the picture. Always bury the spell leftovers somewhere, and do a FULL cleansing bath after. Look those up on Bewitching Ways, a nice website.

Also, find a psi-shield that will work for you. Option 1 has a couple of ideas, but if those don't work there is beaucoup information online.

[Hoatzin]

OK, I've changed my position: do everything Argiope aurantia just suggested.

[Okiefreak]

How old are you? I don't believe that anybody can inflict the psychic torment you're talking about, but if I did, and it was my Mom's boyfriend, and I didn't feel comfortable confronting either of them about it, I'd move out. Short of that, I'd distance myself from the guy as much as possible, and certainly wouldn't be taking guitar lessons from him. But I agree. This sounds kind of paranoid. You might be mentally ill. Maybe something to consider?

[PsyGrunge]

you sure it's not your guitar that's eating your soul?

[Hoatzin]

How old are you? I don't believe that anybody can inflict the psychic torment you're talking about, but if I did, and it was my Mom's boyfriend, and I didn't feel comfortable confronting either of them about it, I'd move out. Short of that, I'd distance myself from the guy as much as possible, and certainly wouldn't be taking guitar lessons from him. But I agree. This sounds kind of paranoid. You might be mentally ill. Maybe something to consider?

It's the fact of who it is that's supposedly doing the bullying that makes it so suspect, tbh. The fact that it's someone who a child would have every reason to resent, and to need a reason to resent.

But seriously, do some shit with candles and nail clippings. It'll make you feel better, it might protect you from psychic bullying, and in the highly unlikely event that it's not actually psychic bullying at all and you're just a fruitloop, no harm done, eh?

[Okiefreak]

You might also try aluminum foil. I've heard it's effective in keeping the CIA from reading thoughts, so it might work for this as well. Just try to do it as unobtrusively as possible, or people might think you're strange.

[heywood floyd]

Wow... you'd think at least someone with a weird eye design accompanied by the slogan 'discover your spiritual side' would be open to this kind of thing....

Anyway, I had some friends who knew about this kind of thing when I was in high school... and a lot of what happened around that time led me to believe that there's probably truth in it.

The way I dealt with it was trying to picture as many things as I could at one time. Like weird pictures of things that would really bug them. I'd imagine these really wild psychedelic images while still kind of focusing on their head space... and sometimes set them to music. Once you get rolling with that, there's no limit to what you can do! If you run into trouble, start picturing it faster and faster, lots of explosions and stuff... kind of like a surrealist film, or like some really disjointed music.

Actually, once I thought I was being attacked and I did that for a day or so straight... and ended up getting kind of sick and vomiting. But the next day, I stopped doing it and I was fine. So maybe it's not the best way to handle it?

[PsyGrunge]

Wow... you'd think at least someone with a weird eye design accompanied by the slogan 'discover your spiritual side' would be open to this kind of thing....


i'll try and comprehend this kettle of fish, but it goes beyond my understanding and conscious awareness.. at the moment, anyway.

[Argiope aurantia]

You might also try aluminum foil. I've heard it's effective in keeping the CIA from reading thoughts, so it might work for this as well. Just try to do it as unobtrusively as possible, or people might think you're strange.Yes, but keep it out of the sun, or it may just cook your brain. I reccomend lining a Mickey-Mouse hat with it, then spray-painting it pink and using a gold glitter pen to draw Stars of David on it.

If you honestly suspect the CIA of such things, then why don't you simply imagine Looney Tunes scenes 24/7 to throw them off? Mix a few pornographic element into it for extra shock value. I'll leave it to you to sort out the details. We tried this during the whole phonetap scare in 2006. We chanted the "trigger" words into our cellphones occasionally, followed by shouting one of the following:

"George Bush has the dick of a hamster!"
"I did the Bush Twins and all I got were these lousy crabs!"
"I nailed Barbara Bush in the ass with a strap-on and she begged for more! Arrest me, motherfucker!" That last one was my favorite, but the campus conspiracy theorist didn't approve. He refused to leave his apartment for a week, and focused his energies on blocking the taps from his phone. He was no fun.

The attacks may very well be in the child's imagination, but they may not be. One could try a tarot reading to be sure, or barring tarot acces just use a regular playing card deck. If you don't know specifics, then KNOW that a red card means danger and a black card means safety, then shuffle and draw an odd number of cards while visualizing the offender. Thirteen should be perfect, but even one will do. The higher the number, the better one can bar chance and judge. The more red cards drawn, the greater the danger. There are other divination methods, but pure instict is the best gauge.

I strongly reccomend against any physical violence, not for moralistic reasons but more for self-preservation: even if you are correct, the defense will not hold up in court. In the best case scenario, you may still end up in the psych-ward. Every battle has its field, and this one is psychic. If all else fails, just do everything in your power to get out of the house. Even if this is all in the child's head, he obviously cannot live with the offender and leaving may be the best bet.

[heywood floyd]

I think the OP should try the psychic forum... they take this kind of thing very seriously over there.

[Leojay 44]

I posted it both here and on the psychic forum, and they deleted it from the psychic forum. Not many people have taken what I've said seriously. I can't blame them too much, it seems preposterous, but it's true. Also this guy isn't the first person to do this too me, his attacks are weaker than some others in fact, but the fact that he's always nearby is what bothers me.

I'd like to move out but I have student loans and a really low paying job so it doesn't seem like a viable option in the short term. I guess I will find a way out if I need to and nothing else works.

Thank you floyd and aurantia. I've tried visualizing and projecting graphic scenes before (I guess our minds think alike) but I guess it doesn't really bother this guy. The most effective thing I've been able to do is to will my energy to lash out and cut at his chakras, but that seems like black magick and I don't want to get involved. Besides it only makes him flinch a little, and because of my concerns about using too much violence I haven't pressed much harder than that.

Aurantia I like your advice about using his name or something else to symbolize him. I will try your ideas, though I have no experience using rituals of any kind.

Just talking about this with other people has made me feel a little better in a way, so I'm not upset with the people who think I'm nuts. I appreciate everyone who responded, but especially those who understand me.

Edit: Yeah I am trying to stay away from weed, it makes it a lot worse and softens my defenses, but it's hard. You'd think the pain would be a deterrent but I always think I can overpower him and so I smoke up. Maybe I'll just not smoke anywhere in the house or near him.

[PsyGrunge]

didnt mean to snap at you.
who am i to say this kind of thing is not in existence.
sorry.

[Leojay 44]

It's okay, I wasn't hurt by what you said, quite the opposite in fact because even your skeptical response was at least someone else addressing the issue in some way.

[Argiope aurantia]

I don't know if magick has a specific color code. If you're defending yourself, and using his own energies, I can't see any damage returning to you. Once again, though, use a cleansing bath. If nothing else, a really hot bath with lots of table salt dissolved in it will do.

[ROLLINGALONG]

way too much information

[Leojay 44]

Argiope aurantia,

Using the double mirror or CD method you mentioned, will it reflect his energy back at him only when he attempts to do something evil to me, or will it be an ongoing thing, all the time?

[kaminoishiki]

What's energy, in the context of one 'directing' it? Is it will? Intent?
People always talk about one's own 'energy field' and focusing 'energy' but it seems like some sort of filler word or lazy way of explaining away some rubbish or other. Can somebody explain?

[dormouse]

well, i don't think your fucking barking mad as i have encountered people who used their ability to focus their personal energy as a weapon. best method for countering such attacks i discovered was to become a mirror. don't fight the vibes he sends or try to protect yourself instead relinquish your ego and become the vibes he sends. in this way he ends up attacking himself. chances are he'll stop playing his nasty games when he realizes he's only harming himself. i disagree with the use of "magic tools" and rituals. you don't really need them and employing such tools creates a dependency which creates weakness.

PS. don't share herb with him anymore. it's too personal and friendly an exchange which offers him access to your inner space.

[Argiope aurantia]

Generally, they will work when he's attacking you. If he's not attacking you or yours, there's really no need to defend yourself against him.

If you use the method of "trapping" him between 2, I imagine that they will be more ongoing solution, a combination of reflecting and binding. I suppose that some could moralize against this, but then morals were never my forte. I had to take Ethics twice in college. ;)

Kaminoishiki, I have trouble explaining energy. It's one's personal power, magick, and strength. Until you start playing with it, you'll usually have trouble understanding it. I can reccommend Scott Cunningham as a good author to read. He was better at explaining it and had good "games" to play to get one used to working with it.

And in this case, I would reccomend against using the Herb at all. It will leave you open. At the very least, don't share and hide what you do have from him.

[Archemetis]

Also this guy isn't the first person to do this too me, his attacks are weaker than some others in fact, but the fact that he's always nearby is what bothers me.

you ought to listen to yourself objectivly and seriously consider the possibilty that your imagination has run amuk. i have no expireinces that would lead me to believe this sort of thing is possible...iv met alot of extraordinary people in my life but never anyone who could penetrate my mind against my will, nor anyone elses for that matter. you make it sound like many people have been getting inside your head....maybe its you? if someone is really penetrating your thoughts on a psychic level, your intention is all that is nessesary to guard yourself.

[dormouse]

you ought to listen to yourself objectivly and seriously consider the possibilty that your imagination has run amuk. i have no expireinces that would lead me to believe this sort of thing is possible...iv met alot of extraordinary people in my life but never anyone who could penetrate my mind against my will, nor anyone elses for that matter. you make it sound like many people have been getting inside your head....maybe its you? if someone is really penetrating your thoughts on a psychic level, your intention is all that is nessesary to guard yourself.

it's understandable that some (perhaps most) folks would find such phenom difficult to believe but there are people who are so sensitive, so empathic that they are aware of and become affected by the energy put out by those around them. i was such a one. it was like i was born with a weak immune system. i felt what those around me were feeling. it was impossible for me to be in crowds because the "noise" was deafening and the onslaught of varied energies was like being caught in the winds of a hurricane. it took me years to first deliniate my Id from those around me and to build an ego wall around that Id sturdy enough to protect it. you can't be expected to understand. it's not something that "normal" folks are forced to contend with.

[Argiope aurantia]

I'm not that sensitive. I used to be able to see things, but little empathy. Nowadays, though, I occasionally get little flashes when I look at someone. I saw a little toddler girl, and somehow knew that she will be pregnant by age 15 and forced by her family to abort. I saw two women in the mall, and knew that they had been best friends, almost sisters, since childhood.

The most disturbing was the other day, when I was watching one of my professors (late 40s) and suddenly "saw" a long-haired younger man in his place. It was him, but in his twenties or late teens. It's not always accurate, but it gets more and more so. It's a little creepy sometimes, and I can't do it on demand.

[yyyesiam2]

what do you experience during these attacks? what makes them attacks? if there is pain, in what location(s)?

[Holy Ancient Megumi]

dont put straight white light around u , that is one thing psyc vamps are drawn to they feed off of the white light , and any feelings they may be drawn to , use a " black" cloak around ur aura" this helps i dated a psy vamp , also when around them try to also keep ur mind empty of thoughts relating to them , if they talk to u , u direct the convo , this will get them to leave u along quicker as sing that they are not the center of the convo and thus they dont get ur energy .
also use protection magick that mirrors back to them what they are doing , they use tentecalse for say , so in this send back to them , what they do . with a good intent , never to harm .
when all else fails if u go to ur room , ground out , mediate on the feeling of having protection from said person . use hemite for grounding and also this helps to banish , sage is good barrier for stuff , also invison ur house protected by a wall that they can not get though .
dont do hexing that is something that person is already doing , do not stoop to there level .
and always just dont talk to the person unless u are going to confrount them w a threed party perfurably some one w knowlage of said thing .

HARM NONE and do What thy Will

[Leojay 44]

Thanks for the advice Megumi. Thanks again everyone who left me advice and support. It sucks to have to live with an enemy, especially one who can act so friendly in conversation, but I'm learning.

[Hippie McRaver]

He's going out with my mom. What, am I going to talk to my mom about this stuff when strangers who don't even know me think I'm nuts?

are yous serious? "psychic attacks"

some guy is fucking your mom and you dont like it, theres a millions psychological reasons for this.


lets regress to the time of magic.

surely your all witches with the ability to read minds, lets burn you all at the stake.

[IMjustfishin]

do a psychic kamehameha like goku on dragonball z. guranteed to destroy any enimy ;)

[Archemetis]

it's understandable that some (perhaps most) folks would find such phenom difficult to believe but there are people who are so sensitive, so empathic that they are aware of and become affected by the energy put out by those around them. i was such a one. it was like i was born with a weak immune system. i felt what those around me were feeling. it was impossible for me to be in crowds because the "noise" was deafening and the onslaught of varied energies was like being caught in the winds of a hurricane. it took me years to first deliniate my Id from those around me and to build an ego wall around that Id sturdy enough to protect it. you can't be expected to understand. it's not something that "normal" folks are forced to contend with.


the nature of this thread isnt about being someone who is sensitive to energy. the op is talking about an individual (though apparently this is reacurring) who she feels has the ability to get inside her head, and is concously and intentionally doing so. reading over her posts i tend to feel like this is imaginary, for a number of reasons. i wouldnt feel okay about feeding illusion here, and so i speak my own opinion. she ought to seriously consider the reality of her situation...no?


"you cant be expected to understand. its not something that "normal" folks are forced to contend with."

its better not to assume anything about somebody you have never met. i know plenty well what it feels like to be energeticlly open and vulnerable. but thats not really what this thread is about imo. also i dont think your abnormal in any way. more "normal" people then you may realize, are forced to contend with this sort of thing. to varying degrees of course. but of course everyone thinks their struggle is the hardest, if they didnt they wouldnt have any excuse for not fully living up to their potential.....if the shoe fits.