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[nirgal]

I could happen ;)
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/garyd/uluahaw1.jpg

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/garyd/uluahull.jpg
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/garyd/plans.html

[mariecstasy]

i am a water wimp and that would scare me

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I grew up in the water...but did'nt spend much time on boats, still that looks like a real good time.

I'm thinking sans sails though...that takes a certain amount of coordination, which for the most part I am seriously lacking!

Have you guys ever tried sail boarding? Man that is a funny thing to see when you get someone who does'nt know what they are doing out there.

Wind and a big piece of cloth...attached to hard things...it's painful just thinking about it.

[luvndrumn]

nirgal,

One outrigger? I guess when you are on port tack, you just hike out? Looks like it could get exciting on a gusty day!

[nirgal]

Yeah it does, got to be a lot more stable than a canoe without amas.
Just sit out here on that seat...... that guys page was saying they can reach wind speed! I don't see any way to reef the sail though....

No wind surfers for me HSB, I'd rather sit down.....

[luvndrumn]

I don't see any way to reef the sail though....
I'm guessing you just drop it. What is the sail area, 60 sq ft?

[nirgal]

Probably around that.
Looking closer, I do see reef points
88lbs and 18ft long

I've got to finish the boat I'm working on..... so many boats, so little time

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I know what you are talking about now...la~la~laaa
And greg's almost dooone:)

[luvndrumn]

OK then, ms shmahtee pants - wot's a "boom vang"?

[HoneySuckleBlue]

One of those wooden thingies that you throw real hard and it's supposed to come righ back so's a person can play catch with themselves, but usually ends up somewhere off in the tall grass?:D

[nirgal]

if it doesn't come back.. it's called a stick

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I suppose that's pretty insulting to a boom vang!

[luvndrumn]

One of those wooden thingies that you throw real hard and it's supposed to come righ back so's a person can play catch with themselves, but usually ends up somewhere off in the tall grass?:DNope - it's a nautical term...

[HoneySuckleBlue]

heehee i actually looked it up in my annapolis book of seamanship and it says it the thingy that keeps the boom from rising...that does'nt sound like much fun, lol!

[luvndrumn]

heehee i actually looked it up in my annapolis book of seamanship and it says it the thingy that keeps the boom from rising...that does'nt sound like much fun, lol!Well... unless you wanted to lower the boom on someone...:p



No, actually it's the sound that the boom makes when you don't know what "Jibe Ho!" means.:X

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Yar I'd hate to get a hockle when my jib was ho'ing:p

[luvndrumn]

urm, that's 'jibe'. You can jibe a jib, but you can't make it drink.



wazza hockle?:confused:

[HoneySuckleBlue]

...with my sailing skills or lack there of I think I could make my jib drink as well as the rest of the boat:eek:

A hockle's when you get a twist in your line which can make it difficult to reef your jib smoothly...

[luvndrumn]

Reef your jib? I haven't seen all jibs and I've only sailed sloops but the only jibs I've ever seen didn't have reef points. We just changed up or down in square feet depending on the wind. Now if you're talking about mains and mizzens...

[HoneySuckleBlue]

http://www.contractsolutions.net/J18/Jn-18_Picture_Gallery/Jn18_Photo6/Jn18_CominAtYa_3.jpg



I am no expert...but is'nt the jib the front sail...hmmm, I don't see a headstay (or is that what the white pole onthe bow is?) though, does that matter?

[luvndrumn]

The jib is a head sail on a sloop or cutter rig. It hanks onto the forestay and is set in the triangle made by the deck, mast and forestay. What I see in the picture is a sloop rig with a roller furling jib (the white pole-looking thing - it's actually a jib rolled around the forestay). The blue and yellow sail is either a dodger or spinnaker. I think I see a black spar attached to the bow and it looks like one of the sheets to the dodger/spinnaker is led through the foremost end of it. If that is a spinnaker pole, it's the weirdest set up I've seen. The boat looks like a pocket rocket - probably a class boast. That might explain the strange bowsprit/spinnaker pole configuration.

[nirgal]

Yeah, what he said...
Looks like an asymmetrical spinnaker or maybe a gennaker... you can Jibe those too... Racing boat fersure...
and it's got a boom vang :p

[nirgal]

Check this one out :p

http://www.pegasus.com/gallery/18footskiff022005/18_foot_skiff_Sydney_02_2005_Pegasus_Racing_Philip pe_Kahn_41_medium.jpg

[luvndrumn]

and it's got a boom vang :pI thought so, too, for awhile. But then what I thought was the mainsheet resolved itself to be the starboard stays. And what I thought was the vang is actually the mainsheet.

But that 18 foot skiff has fursure got a vang - probably a 6-to-1. Ow! Crank that one some!

[nirgal]

Yeah man, they fly.. young mans sport LoL

I think i see a vang on the other one (with my old eyes) running diagonaly up from the base of the mast

[luvndrumn]

Yup, there is a vang (kicking strap), but I had to go to the class website and look in Class Rules for a description of the running rigging to know for sure. YOUR eyes??!!:p;)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

...heeey slow down...so the middle sail is the jib? it's attached to the headstay...that looks like what is in my book. (I was loking for a Keel daysailer:rolleyes: ) So when you adjust the Jib that's not reefing? It's just making the sail smaller?

[nirgal]

In that pictuer, yeah, the one on the bowsprit is spinnaker of some kind.. it's a down wind sail... but those skiff's are so extreme they can sail down wind faster than the wind...

If you have roller furling, you can reef the jib, but it's not usually something that needs to be done. A reef in the main takes away the power and that's really all you need to do

..and keel boats are fun! That skiff has a keel.... i'm pretty sure

More.. http://www.pegasus.com/gallery/photogallery.htm

[nirgal]

I've talked to the guy that built this one.. it has a keel, he cast the lead himself...
Dark Harbor..
http://boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/1936sunny-med.jpg

[luvndrumn]

So when you adjust the Jib that's not reefing? It's just making the sail smaller?With a roller furling set up, the jib stays hanked onto the headstay all the time. The size of the jib is at least 90% of the foretriangle area; some are larger, perhaps as big as 150%. You adjust the sail's areas by rolling in or out. Non-roller furling jibs are handled the old fashioned way - you drop the jib, unhank it from the headstay, remove the old jib's sheets from the winches and blocks, hank on the new jib, lead its sheets through the blocks and wenches, haul it up, and set it. So, if you were sailing with a 120% jib and the wind pipped up, you would want to reduce the boat's sail area to reduce heel, retain control, and make the helm easier to handle. Therefore, you would swap out the 120% jib for a 90% or even smaller if you had it. Then you would reef the main if you had to (if you had reef points). The point is to keep you rig balanced - not too much wind pressure fore or aft of the mast - that pressure will transfer to the rudder and make the boat harder to steer and keep in control. The ideal is to have a little "weather helm". That is, if you let go of the tiller or wheel, the boat would steer up into the wind, eventually going into "irons".


Sorry if that was too much too fast.:)

[luvndrumn]

..and keel boats are fun! That skiff has a keel.... i'm pretty sureThat's a Johnson 18. It's a class boat and it has a centerboard. I read about it here. (http://www.contractsolutions.net/J18/jn-18_class_rules.html)

It's a bit faster than a Lightning, which makes it damn fast.

[luvndrumn]

I've talked to the guy that built this one.. it has a keel, he cast the lead himself...
Dark Harbor..
http://boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/1936sunny-med.jpgThat is a beauty! And very Bristol.

[HoneySuckleBlue]

What does 'a class boat' mean?

You know...that's the same web page I got my picture from.

My goodness...all the boats look the same don't they??!

I love all the complex~ness with the balance and the dancing with the wind.

*hick*:p

that'd be fun to work with casting things...

That brass hardware is such a nice touch. What an elegant boat, with a nice simple sail...*sigh*

[luvndrumn]

What does 'a class boat' mean?A class is an association of folks who build or buy boats that all follow (within very tight tolerances) the same design and outfitting. That boat in your picture isn't going to vary much from other boats in the Johnson 18 class as far as weight, lengths (overall and waterline), width, draft, standing rigging, running rigging, and sails. All this is done in an attempt to make each boat sail similar to another - to balance out a flotilla in a race. Thus it comes down to the captain, crew, strategy, and the twist of fate on who wins a race.

You know...that's the same web page I got my picture from. Yes, I know. I got that url from your picture because I was interested in knowing what kind of boat that was.

My goodness...all the boats look the same don't they??!Yup. That's cuz they all belong to the same class.

This is the class of the boat I used to own. It's the Lightning class. They are also pocket rockets. It's a great shot of a race with a bunch of boats rounding the weather mark. The lead boats are now heading into the wind, having just doused their spinnakers, stowed their spinnaker pole, and raised their jibs. This is about as frantic as it gets in good weather on a Lightning! Well-orchestrated chaos with a seemless flow if it's done right!;)
http://www.lightningclass.org/Gallery/sc2002/Gallery_6/a024_24a.jpg

Here's another picture of one on a run. Look at the water - no waves, little wind. Now look at the stern of the boat - look at the wake!
http://www.lightningclass.org/Gallery/sc2002/Gallery_7/a011_7a.jpg

[nirgal]

That's Bronze, my dear.. brass is too brittle ;)

Dark Harbor 12.5
it's a 20ft boat, but for class rules the lwl is 12.5
Gaffer

http://www.chipboat.com/darkharbor.gif


I've never been on a lightening, but I've watched them... 5-6knots can seem really fast can't it :)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Okay let me see if I get this straight....`there is a difference between brass and bronze, classes suck because every boat is the same (cept then you can figure out who the better sailors are), luv has powerful skills of information gathering and is always suprising us withthe interesting things he's done but never talks about, and I need a evolution of the sail boat picture book with simple words and lots of pictures...do I have that already Greg? (thank goodness you know all the stuff i don't!:)which could fill oceans btw, lol. )

This is fun:)

[sylvanlightning]

I'm really pretty good at enjoying boat rides, anyone want to take me along :)

[nirgal]

Soon as one of us gets a boat that holds more than one at a time LoL
..or I can afford a sail for the one I've been working on.....

Kim, check that canoer rig book.. it has a lot of stuff in it...

[HoneySuckleBlue]

*crosses fingers and hopes santa has a sail boat in his bag for me*


heeeheeh....


...goes back tot he first book to see if I can retain anything:sunglasse

[luvndrumn]

I've never been on a lightening, but I've watched them... 5-6knots can seem really fast can't it :)Yup, and 20 knots (wind speed, not boat speed) is downright... ummmmm... exciting.:H Hope you don't mind getting wet, cuz wet yur gonna be.

Here's another picture that shows a wooden Lightning. I figured you'd like this one since you can actually see some of the woodwork.
http://www.barefootwoodenboats.com/lightening02.JPG