relationship of abstinence

[Jehovah7]

Hello beloved brother's and sister's. Welcome, and thank you for visiting my first post. I just would like to share my feelings with others and gather others opinions and tips on abstinence. I'm a 19/sing/male god fearing virgin. By choice I remain that way. I don't know if you wanna count oral sex? But I never tried that either. Only when I started reading the bible and drawing near to God was when I actually made it my goal to be abstinent so the idea is fairly new to me. Interestingly from my experience girls would basically do all the work lol :p and try to confront me but i was really too shy and quiet to follow through on a serious relationship with a girl until now. I also want a female whole is abstinent and god fearing. The idea of me staying abstinent is now ingrained in me! I will feel completely devastated and defeated if I were not to complete my mission. I will put in prayer for God to give me strength to abstain and I trust that the good lord will guide me towards my future love b/c there's no way I can correctly search among the dense population. The main benefits of abstinence is that you will have peace of mind that your obedient to God in this area of your life, better sex, stronger marriage, and freedom from memories of past sexual partners, the list goes on. I believe it's well worth the wait.

[Faelixx]

I'd never want to fear God. I'm pretty sure I'd just want to chill with him. Or her. Or whatever. Just kick back and talk shit about life, the universe and everything.
Good for you! Abstinence looks hard but I'm sure it can be overcum.
I mean overcome.

[Tisha Mc]

I'm sorry to say, but I think you're going to get some pretty negative responses.
I'm also a virgin waiting until marriage. But I didn't make this decision because of any god. I did it because it was the choice that seemed right for me. Good luck. Not many guys out there that would be willing to make the same commitment, no matter the reason.

[Jehovah7]

BUMP

Also It would be a true nightmare if I had to be married to a women that had sex with other men in the past, that's something I can not live with, we can only belong to each other which is crucial!

any replies would be appreciated and answered

[Tisha Mc]

I could deal with my husband not being a virgin, no prob. Just as long as he's completely faithful to me.

[Faelixx]

Why. Why to everything. Why to the God fearing, why to the only belonging to each other, why do you think abstinence is such a good choice? Why not explore what you have with each other before entering marriage? I know a woman who waited until after she and her husband got married to have sex. They found out they were sexually incompatible only after it was too late. Long story short, they're divorced. Hurray! So think about it. Doing what comes naturally to humans with someone you love before entering into a marriage contract that has been nothing but a business transaction since it first began, or face the risk of hating reproducing with someone you'd (I'm assuming you'd never even think of divorce) have to live with the rest of your life.

[Tisha Mc]

That sounds like there might have been a problem with communication more than with sex. You can tell without having sex if there is chemistry present. And if it's just a problem of them not satisfying you, you just tell them what you like. It seems like a minor problem to me.

[sarahrei]

No WAY. Sorry, but god didn't write the bible man did, and no MAN is going to tell me that I should or shouldn't have sex.

Sex is NATURAL, and it's good. I would never feel comfortable entering a marriage that I hadn't shared that level of closeness.

Sex isn't always just about explaining how you like to be touched to enjoy it, some people really just aren't suited for one another sexually, and I need to know that before hand.

I've had 3 other sexual partners before I met my fiancee, and he had 5. I don't feel upset by the fact that he had other partners, we belong to each other NOW, and only each other. Just because he's fucked someone else, and I've fucked someone else doesn't mean that we don't belong to ONLY each other, it's childish to say that.

[Jehovah7]

It's what God wants and takes joy in... I want to please God and my future soul mate, simple as that. Aside from benefiting in the wrong run.


Well hopefully I can live up to my words and not become a hippocrate on this matter. I want to become what my soul mate deserves so this means improving myself for God and her in anyway I can. I just want the girl to be pure from any sexual act once so ever. Knowing that that my girl had a sexual past no matter how brief it was would tear me up inside to the point. There's also other factors involved such as wanting her to be god fearing , meaning she's trying to get right with jehovah. In no way shape or form does she need to be a saint because we all need work.

[Jehovah7]

Ty for speedy replies, Well Sararei I respect your opinion and I didnt think everyone would agree with my words but I just didnt understand when you said the bible was writtin by man which is true it was writtin in physical form by man but it was inspired by God. I understand this is a touchy subject b/c it includes religion and a tough sexual issue which is hard but the more you read the bible and discuss it in groups the more knowledge will come and the peaces of puzzle started to fit in. Just do the rite thing and let Jesus take the wheel! PLZ girls stay pure and read the good book. Not for me but 4 God

[White_Horse_Mescalito]

It's what God wants


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[Zorba The Grape]

This isn't a religious debate. Is there anyone here who can discuss a viewpoint they personally disagree with without starting a debate?

[Tisha Mc]

God also tells us to kill gays and disobedient children. For God's sake, don't follow blindly. If you really feel that God had told you personally to wait until marriage, then do it. But not because some book told you to. Yes, man wrote the bible. And, yes, it is said that they wrote it with direction from God. But anybody can say that. Even if it was divinly written, it has been "translated" so many times over the millinia that it does not remotely resemble the original. Added to that the fact that many have manipulated it to suit their desires, and it has never been corrected (fact - not conspiracy. look at the beloved King James and his "contributions"). I believe that God (Allah, spirits, mother earth, whomever) does speak to people internally, and that is the direction you should take. Every person is spoken to differently, God has different plans for all people (even Judas fullfilled his duty to God in doing what was planned). Nobody can tell you what His plan is for you. Just follow your heart. If this is what God wants of you, than you will know. Just, when you open your heart, make sure to open your mind as well.

[RobynCB90]

*sigh*

[sarahrei]

God also tells us to kill gays and disobedient children. For God's sake, don't follow blindly. If you really feel that God had told you personally to wait until marriage, then do it. But not because some book told you to. Yes, man wrote the bible. And, yes, it is said that they wrote it with direction from God. But anybody can say that. Even if it was divinly written, it has been "translated" so many times over the millinia that it does not remotely resemble the original. Added to that the fact that many have manipulated it to suit their desires, and it has never been corrected (fact - not conspiracy. look at the beloved King James and his "contributions"). I believe that God (Allah, spirits, mother earth, whomever) does speak to people internally, and that is the direction you should take. Every person is spoken to differently, God has different plans for all people (even Judas fullfilled his duty to God in doing what was planned). Nobody can tell you what His plan is for you. Just follow your heart. If this is what God wants of you, than you will know. Just, when you open your heart, make sure to open your mind as well.

This exactly.

The bible was written ages ago, in many different languages then english. There is a very good chance that it was translated wrong.

But speaking as someone whos had sex with more then one person, and is getting married next year I think getting married without having sex first is leading yourself blindly into divorce.

[Jehovah7]

Hey guys, I for one think the bible is shockingly true and accurate. The only book you need is the bible to guide you and not yourself. It can make a huge impact in one's life and brings you closer to our father. I believe that the bible is all truth and a solid rock to lean on during rough times even though it might seem confusing at times. The human race would be essentially lost without it or ad least I would. Sadly I've been distracted to read the bible and pray daily and am trying to come back to it so I'm not perfect. For example, the parts of the bible that tell of Jesus words and actions are true so how can you call the whole book inaccurate which is kind of being unfair in a way to me. Long story short, your relationship with God is most important, everything else is basically a distraction.

[audiovisions]

Personally I think there is nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage, infact it is a healthly thing. The bible teaches abstinence, and from human nature I can see the point, usually the emotions for your first one are the strongest. However, I do not think that its realisitc this day in age. IMO, don't be a slut, if you have sex with someone make sure its with someone who is close to you. Nature should take its course in relationships. I am a christian, and I believe in the bible, however IMO following it word for word is not the idea, I am not saying twist things around to appease you, but instead let it guide you in the right direction. There should be no shame in sex between two people who truely care about each other, two souls know when its right and the time is right. Marrige is a great thing, but marriage does not necessarily mean love. I can't even tell you how many people in my church got married right out of high school, and although some of them worked out, a lot of them didn't.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with abstinence, as long as it is your choice and for the right reasons. However IMO think its important to have relationship experience to have a successful relationship.

[metalguru77]

It's what God wants


God wants dollars
God wants cents
God wants pounds shillings and pence
God wants guilders
God wants kroner
God wants Swiss francs
God wants French francs
Oui il veut des francs francais
God wants escudos
God wants pesetas
Don't send lira
God don't want small potatoes
God wants small towns
God wants pain
God wants clean up rock campaigns
God wants widows
God wants solution
God wants TV
God wants contributions
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants silver
God wants gold
God wants his secret
Never to be told
God wants gigolos
God wants giraffes
God wants politics
God wants a good laugh
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants friendship
God wants fame
God wants credit
God wants blame
God wants poverty
God wants wealth
God wants insurance
God wants to cover himself
What God wants God gets God help us all


Very cool you quoted Roger Waters !!

[Therese Aline]

I couldn't marry a virgin. It's a stipulation of mine, whoever I date or marry has to be sexually experienced. Even before I had sex I educated myself on how to please a man and myself, and since I became sexually active I'm putting what I learned into practice. I expect the same from him. He better not only know how to please me, he better have practice and know what the hell he's doing. I couldn't spend my life with someone that couldn't satisfy me sexually, and I expect him to feel the same. But that's just me.

[Jehovah7]

tisha mc I think your brave not to care if your partner is not a virgin or not because that means your bringing something to the table but he's not:confused: I thought girls cared more about that stuff . So basically what your saying is audio that sex is alright outside of marriage as long as you love one another in your opinion, ok but if you love each other why would the couple even even feel the need to have sex . I think if you were really in love with one another you can easily wait until marriage. Here are a few of my reasons and opinion to wait until marriage...

Couple #1 consists of two virgins who waited to have sex until marriage for God to officially bind them together in marriage and union with god.

Couple #2 consists of two virgins but they gave into physical attraction and had sex outside of marriage.

Couple #3 consists of ad least one non-virgin and they wait to have sex until marriage.

Couple #4 consists of ad least one non-virgin and they have sex outside of marriage.

Which couple is best following God's original plan for marriage thus being blessed with heavenly riches? Which couple will benefit most and have the strongest bond in the long run? Which couple had the most patience and trusted God to guide them toward a proper mate?

I think couple #1 hand's down

I think by having sex outside marriage is being selfish towards your true soul mate and is especially disrespectful to your own body which is God's temple and should only belong to God.

Don't worry about pleasing your spouse or bf or gf. You would be very wise to focus and be devoted to God while still pure and trusting in him that he will take care of you. In another word's you will be rewarded for putting God first and trusting your life in his hands.

[Jehovah7]

I'll name a few more reason's why abstinence is the way to go while there still fresh in my head. First off it's not that long of a wait at all considering we live an eternity, what's a few more years? Some people went there whole life without sex. Your hormone's may tell you otherwise but are you going to let your hormones guide you?

Second is that you don't have to worry about getting pregnant or any std or aids.

Third is that you will not feel used, or have depression from breakups

Fourth is not being compared to past sexual partner's, and a more stable long lasting relationship.

Fifth More respect

[Jehovah7]

Also just wanna throw it out there that 75% of people who are infected with herpes show no symptoms, so they don't no they have it yet and can spread it. To make that worse people almost never use condoms to make it worse. Do I make valid enough points or am I just full of it?

[audiovisions]

your problem is you are viewing sex as a dirty thing

[Jehovah7]

Am I now... lmao

[Therese Aline]

Somebody said that marriage is a contract. She's right. In ancient times, like Bible times for instance, marriage didn't have much to do with love. It was a trading of assets. A woman was an asset to her family, she contributed. Marriage takes her away from that. That's why there were dowrys, to compensate for the loss of the asset to the family. She became an asset to her husband, contributing to his success. Bearing and raising his children, caring for them and him. Marriage shouldn't be glorified quite like you are glorifying it, in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about marriage. But for sex to only be sacred within a legal contract is not natural.

Sex is important, a good husband pleases his wife and vice versa. It should not be thrown to the wayside. God didn't give us hormones to ignore them. They go together with love, and have validation alone. People need to have orgasms the same as we have to pee. In fact, it's unhealthy for a man to let semen build up. He has to get it out, either through sex or masturbation. Itches gotta be scratched.

[Slothguy]

I'm pretty sure if God is so cool he was DEFINITELY fucking a ton of chicks before he ever got married. He'd want you to as well. That's what cool people do. And if God isn't cool, well then he's a loser in my books.

[sarahrei]

This thread is everything that I view wrong it god. The op comes in, asks for opinions and yet doesn't entertain any but his own, and amazingly he turns it into fucking bible class.

Sorry dude, in my world god doesn't exist. I have no problems with those who believe in god but I do when they are like you and they try to shove it down your throat and say that you are less if you don't believe in them.

You know that I have to say to that? Despite me sleeping with others, and my fiancee sleeping with others my marriage will be stronger than yours. Want to know why? WE have already expierenced something that bonds us tightly, and we know that we suit one another that way. Humans are curious creatures by nature (seeing as we evovled) and one of you will grow to resent being only with one person for you entire life and one of you at least will cheat.

The world needs alot of things, more oil, renueable resourses, love, friends, it however does not need another sheep that follows the bible blindly.

This thread could have been interesting until you started preaching. Fuck god, he does NOTHING for me.

[Jehovah7]

Hi Aline, ty 4 voicing your opinions. Marriage and sex go hand in hand. God made it so that sex be reserved for marriage. From the tone of your post it sounds as if you think marriage is simply just a legal document or did I misunderstand you? Marriage and sex are indeed viewed extremely sacred in god's eyes. Say someone were to have sex outside of marriage. God will see this and so he bind's your flesh and entwines you together as one even if the couple is not in love. I'm sorry to say but you can never get your precious pure virginity back, neither will you receive the eternal gift god has for you in this matter. Because you would have already chose your own gift which is to have sexual pleasure and not the gift God intended to give you and your pure marriage partner. I feel your looking at sex externally and not internally. Do you think God likes seeing his precious flower's (females) stepped on before they were ready to blossom?

[Jehovah7]

sarahrei, I think you just made it interesting congrats. Well I don't even no where to begin with that last post :eek: lol so I'm not gonna try. But I forgive you and I ask and pray that the lord forgives you too and shows you the way. Btw I am one of God's sheep and I tend to wander from time to time and am no better than you for ''we all fell short of the glory of God''. I hope you return the flock sarahrei. best of luck with your marriage.

[sarahrei]

Yeah no thanks, the flock can go fuck themselves I'll keep thinking for myself.

[Therese Aline]

I wasn't saying marriage isn't sacred, I was just trying to point out it's origin. I for one want to get married. As far as I'm concerned that's what I'm here for. To be happy, and being married to a wonderful person that I love that loves me is about as good as it gets in my book. But I can't see waiting for marriage. You say someone that gives her virginity to someone and then breaks up with him will be depressed. Well, I gave my virginity to my first boyfriend and we're not together anymore. I was depressed, yes, but not because I had sex with him. Because I missed his company. That's normal. Not for a moment did I regret giving him my virginity. Why? Because he was kind and unselfish. A good person and I felt like he deserved it. He never pressured me. It was a gift, and I don't want it back. My only regret is that we didn't have more sex. That was part of the problem with him, he seemed to lack interest in sex and I was new to it and ready for action. That's not to say that was our only problem, that could've been worked out. I broke up with him because he wasn't meeting my emotional needs, but that's an entirely different topic. :P
As for blossoming, I have blossomed. I think the important thing here is what feels right to an individual. Your choice feels right to you, mine to me.

[audiovisions]

There has been a lot lost in translation over the years. While the church may have had good intentions teaching what they do, but its also about control, and IMO it takes away from your personal relationship with God if you just blindy obey what the church tells you to. The idea that sex outside of marriage is a sin has a lot to do with preventing unwanted pregnancys, and preventing unhappiness in general but that defnitely conflicts the the idea of love, which is the greatest gift of all. Whats most important is what you believe in your heart, and I am not about to let anyone, especially someone who has hardly half the life experience I have tell me otherwise. Marriage is a contract, not saying its not sacred, but saying that sex should not exist outside of marriage is like saying love should not exist outside of marriage. I wish you luck in your search, but I do think until you broaden your horizons a bit its going to a very very long search for you. I definitely not agree with the idea of someone who is not a virgin as being impure. IMO, sex just for the point of having sex, for ones own personal pleasure is more of a sin if you want to look at it that way, sin by defninition is self-indulgence. Sex within a loving caring relationship is anything but.

[Jehovah7]

hey, fair enough . therese, that's true that abstinence is a personal decision and that everyone is going to live different lives so we are not going to see eye to eye. Audio you also make a valid point that sex just for pleasure is wrong. I believe God mad sex more so for reproduction than pleasure. The bible does not directly say that sex before marriage is a sin. The bible does clearly condemn sexual immorality and adultery. Many say it's obvious that sex before marriage is included as being sexual immorality. Do not listen to me but please read what the bible has to say on this matter and decide for yourself.

7 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.a 2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

17 Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts. 20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord’s freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ’s slave. 23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24 Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.

25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. 27 Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29 What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; 30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

36 If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.b

39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.



Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and most importantly, honors God.

[Zorba The Grape]

This thread is everything that I view wrong it god. The op comes in, asks for opinions and yet doesn't entertain any but his own, and amazingly he turns it into fucking bible class.

Sorry dude, in my world god doesn't exist. I have no problems with those who believe in god but I do when they are like you and they try to shove it down your throat and say that you are less if you don't believe in them.

You know that I have to say to that? Despite me sleeping with others, and my fiancee sleeping with others my marriage will be stronger than yours. Want to know why? WE have already expierenced something that bonds us tightly, and we know that we suit one another that way. Humans are curious creatures by nature (seeing as we evovled) and one of you will grow to resent being only with one person for you entire life and one of you at least will cheat.

The world needs alot of things, more oil, renueable resourses, love, friends, it however does not need another sheep that follows the bible blindly.

This thread could have been interesting until you started preaching. Fuck god, he does NOTHING for me.

I wouldn't criticize: you were one of the first to start attacking the guy's beliefs, when that wasn't what the thread was about. It seems to me that you're the one who started the preaching. You're just preaching in favour of atheism.

[Jehovah7]

Ty for sticking up for me zorba, your a good dude.

[Zorba The Grape]

I'm not saying I agree with you; I'm just pointing out your right to start a discussion about something without it turning into a debate about your beliefs. However, if this was a debate about your beliefs, I would probably be siding with everyone else, for the most part.

[Musikero]

This isn't a religious debate. Is there anyone here who can discuss a viewpoint they personally disagree with without starting a debate?

Unfortunately it's hard to discuss sex and abstinence without mentioning religious beliefs because how we look at these issues is largely influenced by what we believe.

For instance: Sarahrei does not believe in God, and that influences her views on sex and abstinence. Jehovah7, on the other hand, believes in God - and that influences his views on sex and abstinence.

I dunno... I'm considering moving this to the Philosophy and Religion forum.

[Zorba The Grape]

Exactly my point: this thread was started about a relationship issue, and has been derailed into a religious debate, so much so that it does indeed look like a good candidate for the aforementioned forum.

[Jehovah7]

Fine with me if you want to move the thread. That's true that god and the bible affected my abstinence decision because when I was in HS i didn't want to stay a virgin and was trying to lose it in my senior year and easily could have but thankfully it never happened. A good religious friend of mine in my senior year gave me a new testament English version bible to keep since I said I had no English version's at my house just king James which was hard to read for me. I read it and long story short it changed my life for the better. I never actually went out and bought these book's they found me through friend's. You can still be in a very deep loving relationship with your bf or gf and refrain from sexual activity. I just see sex as recreation and big distraction.

[MaximusXXX]

Well, to the OP:

Don't be surprised if your virgin bride turns out to have a modest track record.

Just saying, most women who marry religious " waiting till marriage " guys are ones who did their thing for a while and decided they needed a cleaner image.

So you'll probably end up getting a " virgin " that after the honeymoon will exploit you in every facet and issue divorce within 5 years.

Good Luck though.

[Fingermouse]

Why would you fear God? That doesnt seem very healthy

[Jehovah7]

Your funny maximus I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Why fear god? That's an easy one man just google it lol.

[Jehovah7]

What can I say I'm a jealous man... The thing is that I need the lord to do my searching and to guide me. I cannot find her alone :( I can't imagine the kind of bond if I found her.

[sarahrei]

I attack those who ask for opinions then use it as a oppertunity to preach against them. So yeah sure, I attacked him, and he diserved it.

[Jehovah7]

Tisk tisk tisk sarahrei, Well someone asked me why? Last time I checked this was my thread not the preach pagan thread. Your basically using the biological excuse that sex is a natural way of life. It's more deep than that.

[Jehovah7]

We are not animals!

[Tisha Mc]

^^^Yes we are.

[Zorba The Grape]

'Yes we are!'
'No we aren't!'

I love the intelligent debate around here.

[Tisha Mc]

Well most of us are, Zorba's a fruit.

[Zorba The Grape]

Ouch.