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Pressed_Rat
01-31-2009, 07:54 AM
Pay close attention to the wording of this article. This ties in with Obama's plan for a civilian security force to be "as powerful and well-funded as the US military." The words in bold is my emphasis. The words in red bold are my comments.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52840



Defense Department Establishes Civilian Expeditionary Workforce

By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Jan. 27, 2009 – The Defense Department is forming a civilian expeditionary workforce that will be trained and equipped to deploy overseas in support of military missions worldwide, according to department officials.

The intent of the program “is to maximize the use of the civilian workforce to allow military personnel to be fully utilized for operational requirements,” according to a Defense Department statement. [Where do you think they're going to get this "civilian workforce" from? What they really mean to say is the civilian unemployed; those who have lost their jobs in the fallout from the impending collapse. Once all these people are out of work and desperate to feed their families, they're going to be recruited into these "service" positions WITHOUT their consent. Say goodbye to free will in America. Welcome to the new Soviet America, where you're free to do as they tell you.]

Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed Defense Department Directive 1404.10, which outlines and provides guidance about the program, on Jan. 23. [section 4, subsection (e) paragraph (2) of this directive states:

Management retains the authority to direct and assign civilian employees, either voluntarily, involuntarily, or on an unexpected basis to accomplish the DoD mission.]


Certain duty positions may be designated by the various Defense Department components to participate in the program. If a position is designated, the employee will be asked to sign an agreement that they will deploy if called upon to do so. If the employee does not wish to deploy, every effort will be made to reassign the employee to a nondeploying position. [In other words, you are going to have to mandatorily serve, if not in an overseas capacity, than a domestic capacity. It is clear you will have no choice other than to serve in one of these two capacities.]

The directive emphasizes, however, that volunteers be sought first for any expeditionary requirements, before requiring anyone to serve involuntarily or on short notice. Overseas duty tours shall not exceed two years. [What person that's employed is going to be willing to "volunteer" away from their loved ones in a foreign country overseas for two years?]

Employees in deployable-designated positions will be trained, equipped and prepared to serve overseas in support of humanitarian, reconstruction and, if absolutely necessary, combat-support missions.

The program also is open to former and retired civilian employees who agree to return to federal service on a time-limited status to serve overseas or to fill in for people deployed overseas. ["Agree to return?," as if they will have an actual say in the matter? Not based on what I just quoted above from the directive itself.]

Program participants are eligible for military medical support while serving in their overseas duty station.

All participants will undergo pre- and post-deployment medical testing, including physical and psychological exams.

Defense civilians reassigned from their normal duty to serve overseas will be granted the right to return to the positions they held prior to their deployment or to a position of similar grade, level and responsibility within the same organization, regardless of the deployment length. [Yeah, right. That is considering those jobs will still actually exist. If not, then what?? FEMA camp warden?]

Families of deployed Defense Department civilian employees shall be supported and provided with information on benefits and entitlements and issues likely to be faced by the employee during and upon return from a deployment.

Defense civilian employees who participate in the expeditionary program shall be treated with high regard as an indication of the department’s respect for those who serve expeditionary requirements.

Expeditionary program participants’ service and experience shall be valued, respected and recognized as career-enhancing.

Participants who meet program requirements would be eligible to receive the Secretary of Defense Medal for the Global War on Terrorism. [Normally I would laugh at such a statement, except there is nothing funny about this. This is absolutely totalitarian.]

hippiehillbilly
01-31-2009, 02:48 PM
i read a article the other day where a bunch of ,,well "experts" were calling for obama to require 2 years "community service" when you leave highschool. i would think this ties right in..

what a great way to circumvent the draft..obama supporters are in for such a rude awakening.

*cue aristartle* to come running in telling us how this is a good thing and our duty..:rolleyes:

TheGanjaKing
01-31-2009, 06:00 PM
It's all becoming real, very fast. Faster than I thought it would.

odon
01-31-2009, 06:10 PM
[Where do you think they're going to get this "civilian workforce" from? What they really mean to say is the civilian unemployed; those who have lost their jobs in the fallout from the impending collapse. Once all these people are out of work and desperate to feed their families, they're going to be recruited into these "service" positions WITHOUT their consent. Say goodbye to free will in America. Welcome to the new Soviet America, where you're free to do as they tell you.]


Will these volunteers be payed?

Pressed_Rat
01-31-2009, 09:12 PM
That is not my concern. And they are not "volunteers" if they're required to do something they have no say in. That is the whole premise of this thread.



Will these volunteers be payed?

odon
02-01-2009, 09:17 AM
That is not my concern. And they are not "volunteers" if they're required to do something they have no say in. That is the whole premise of this thread.

Well, you mention: "they really mean to say is the civilian unemployed"... "desperate to feed their families, they're going to be recruited into these "service" positions WITHOUT their consent"

Food cost money, yes? No pay; No food.

You seem to half recognise the fact they will be civilian DOD employees, while on the other hand, attempting to suggest they will be Joe blogs off the street. It is not both.

Q. How will my pay be affected?

A. You will retain all the pay and benefits to which you are currently entitled as a DoD civilian employee. A brief description of the additional entitlements and benefits for temporary duty service is provided benefits (http://www.cpms.osd.mil/expeditionary/benefits.asp).

I think they are actually talking about people that are already employed by the DOD. So, not the unemployed seeking "work".

"they're required to do something they have no say in"

You do say: that volunteers be sought first.
Reading other information, it seems there are certain roles to be filled:
http://www.cpms.osd.mil/expeditionary/list.aspx?jCat=cocom

It seems pretty much like internal job opportunities.

Quite productive roles it seems.
So I doubt they will have any trouble finding "volunteers."
"This first phase immediately expands opportunities for DoD civilians to serve in global expeditionary positions from six months and up to one year in length."

It does seem true that some may not have a choice if they are in deployable positions. Something they would be aware of when signing their employment contract.

Civilian Expeditionary Workforce Agreement – Position Based, as a condition of employment. Job announcements and positions descriptions for such positions must contain a statement that the position is designated as Emergency Essential (E-E) Non-Combat Essential (NCE).

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:xM_l1XOoYpYJ:www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/140410p.pdf+Defense+Department+Directive+1404.10&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

Emergency-Essential (E-E) DoD U.S. Citizen Civilian Employees

Authors: ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE (FORCE MANAGEMENT AND PERSONNEL) WASHINGTON DC (http://www.stormingmedia.us/corpauthors/ASSISTANT_SECRETARY_OF_DEFENSE__FORCE_MANAGEMENT_A ND_PERSONNEL__WASHINGTON_DC.html)Abstract: This Directive reissues reference (a) Dod Directive 1404.10, 'Retention of Emergency-Essential (E-E) DoD Civilian Employees Overseas,' April 6, 1990 (hereby canceled). It updates policy to ensure the continued performance of employees in civilian positions that: (a) Have been designated as 'E-E' before crisis situations. (b) Have not been designated previously as 'E-E,' but for which continued performance is deemed essential to support combat-essential systems.

http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA270163 (http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA270163)

So, nothing new it seems. Just under a new name.

hippiehillbilly
02-01-2009, 01:58 PM
odon this same topic is in conspiracy,if you wanna over analyze it go there and do it.. once again,your not welcome here.

odon
02-01-2009, 02:09 PM
Delete away, dude. Delete away.

eyeagainsteye
02-01-2009, 02:10 PM
This is very interesting and the first time I have heard of it. I guess the question would be..what if I or anyone else refused to participate? Jail time?

gaiabee
02-01-2009, 02:47 PM
I may have missed something because I read through it quickly. Where does it say that individuals would be forced to join this expeditionary workforce? Or is that an assumption?

hippiehillbilly
02-01-2009, 03:01 PM
its a assumption based on rhetoric coming from many sources..

only time will tell how the obama administration compels the masses to "volunteer",however from what i am reading it will be tied to receiving your high school or college diploma. no "volunteering" no diploma..

Pressed_Rat
02-01-2009, 08:02 PM
I may have missed something because I read through it quickly. Where does it say that individuals would be forced to join this expeditionary workforce? Or is that an assumption?

Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed Defense Department Directive 1404.10, which outlines and provides guidance about the program, on Jan. 23. [section 4, subsection (e) paragraph (2) of this directive states:


Management retains the authority to direct and assign civilian employees, either voluntarily, involuntarily, or on an unexpected basis to accomplish the DoD mission.]


I don't see how it's an assumption. If they say they can direct and assign civilian employees on an involuntary basis (meaning mandatory), then I see no reason to believe otherwise, considering everything else I've been hearing from people like Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

LanSLIde
02-01-2009, 08:25 PM
odon this same topic is in conspiracy,if you wanna over analyze it go there and do it.. once again,your not welcome here.
lmao

gaiabee
02-02-2009, 11:44 PM
Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed Defense Department Directive 1404.10, which outlines and provides guidance about the program, on Jan. 23. [section 4, subsection (e) paragraph (2) of this directive states:


Management retains the authority to direct and assign civilian employees, either voluntarily, involuntarily, or on an unexpected basis to accomplish the DoD mission.]


I don't see how it's an assumption. If they say they can direct and assign civilian employees on an involuntary basis (meaning mandatory), then I see no reason to believe otherwise, considering everything else I've been hearing from people like Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

yes but, the quote says civilian "employees," not just civilians. My interpretation of that is first you'd need to sign up (i.e. volunteer) to be one of their employees, then they can do with you what they will (whether you want to do the job or not). I don't think it meant *all* civilians in general.

But like hillbilly said, only time will tell how recruitment tactics for volunteering will play out.

Fyrenza
02-12-2009, 09:13 AM
Oh, i imagine it'll be COMPLETELY Voluntary...

Want to eat?

Want to have a place to live?

Want to have a car to drive?

Want some spending money?

WANT A JOB???

i really think most of the social programs will be [GASP!]

ABOLISHED, or at the very least, have some seriously MAJOR changes made to the qualifying processes

as an "encouragement" to their Volunteer Program.

All of the folks that thought this regime would actually help them MORE are in for a rude awakening, imho.

orison319
02-12-2009, 09:33 AM
This is very interesting and the first time I have heard of it. I guess the question would be..what if I or anyone else refused to participate? Jail time?
military and jail setting differ very little..
The idea is institutional, a workforce works better if they are all doing the same thing, eating the smae food, same treatments for medical. There is no wondering off, calling in sick, late, ect..
As with a prison job, Show up late for a CI job and youll get a misconduct.
This will lead to cell confinements and loss of other privileges..
To keep a working body of people healthy and organized you have to lock them up in setting to control..

mamaKCita
02-12-2009, 05:17 PM
so, basically, it's the draft without calling it the draft. got it.

stinkfoot
02-12-2009, 06:40 PM
Perhaps limiting federal authority (http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218) could throw a wrench in the works. If all 50 states declared sovereignty and seceded from the Union it would leave the federal government (and the offshore banks pulling the puppet strings) the distasteful task of either forcefully taking back control and inflicting massive collateral civilian damage or abandoning the hijack of our economy by this whole choreographed debacle and calculated "bailout"...

... that is effectively hemorrhaging greenbacks to the hands of the banks so the can finish the economic destruction through the hyperinflation that can only come by flooding a world currency market with trillions of dollars printed with nothing to back them. The change as I see it is limited to the puppets who are obediently legislating the destruction of the economy. Every member of congress who has supported these bailout debacles is guilty of high treason and should be hanged.