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hippiehillbilly
01-30-2009, 02:03 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...d?bill=h111-40 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-40)

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HR 40 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 40

To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 6, 2009

Mr. CONYERS (for himself and Mr. SCOTT of Virginia) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ‘Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act’.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.

(a) Findings- The Congress finds that--

(1) approximately 4,000,000 Africans and their descendants were enslaved in the United States and colonies that became the United States from 1619 to 1865;

(2) the institution of slavery was constitutionally and statutorily sanctioned by the Government of the United States from 1789 through 1865;

(3) the slavery that flourished in the United States constituted an immoral and inhumane deprivation of Africans’ life, liberty, African citizenship rights, and cultural heritage, and denied them the fruits of their own labor; and

(4) sufficient inquiry has not been made into the effects of the institution of slavery on living African-Americans and society in the United States.

(b) Purpose- The purpose of this Act is to establish a commission to--

(1) examine the institution of slavery which existed from 1619 through 1865 within the United States and the colonies that became the United States, including the extent to which the Federal and State Governments constitutionally and statutorily supported the institution of slavery;

(2) examine de jure and de facto discrimination against freed slaves and their descendants from the end of the Civil War to the present, including economic, political, and social discrimination;

(3) examine the lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery and the discrimination described in paragraph (2) on living African-Americans and on society in the United States;

(4) recommend appropriate ways to educate the American public of the Commission’s findings;

(5) recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the Commission’s findings on the matters described in paragraphs (1) and (2); and

(6) submit to the Congress the results of such examination, together with such recommendations.

SEC. 3. ESTABLISHMENT AND DUTIES.

(a) Establishment- There is established the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans (hereinafter in this Act referred to as the ‘Commission’).

(b) Duties- The Commission shall perform the following duties:

(1) Examine the institution of slavery which existed within the United States and the colonies that became the United States from 1619 through 1865. The Commission’s examination shall include an examination of--

(A) the capture and procurement of Africans;

(B) the transport of Africans to the United States and the colonies that became the United States for the purpose of enslavement, including their treatment during transport;

(C) the sale and acquisition of Africans as chattel property in interstate and instrastate commerce; and

(D) the treatment of African slaves in the colonies and the United States, including the deprivation of their freedom, exploitation of their labor, and destruction of their culture, language, religion, and families.

(2) Examine the extent to which the Federal and State governments of the United States supported the institution of slavery in constitutional and statutory provisions, including the extent to which such governments prevented, opposed, or restricted efforts of freed African slaves to repatriate to their homeland.

(3) Examine Federal and State laws that discriminated against freed African slaves and their descendants during the period between the end of the Civil War and the present.

(4) Examine other forms of discrimination in the public and private sectors against freed African slaves and their descendants during the period between the end of the Civil War and the present.

(5) Examine the lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery and the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), and (4) on living African-Americans and on society in the United States.

(6) Recommend appropriate ways to educate the American public of the Commission’s findings.

(7) Recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the Commission’s findings on the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), and (4). In making such recommendations, the Commission shall address among other issues, the following questions:

(A) Whether the Government of the United States should offer a formal apology on behalf of the people of the United States for the perpetration of gross human rights violations on African slaves and their descendants.

(B) Whether African-Americans still suffer from the lingering effects of the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), and (4).

(C) Whether, in consideration of the Commission’s findings, any form of compensation to the descendants of African slaves is warranted.

(D) If the Commission finds that such compensation is warranted, what should be the amount of compensation, what form of compensation should be awarded, and who should be eligible for such compensation.

(c) Report to Congress- The Commission shall submit a written report of its findings and recommendations to the Congress not later than the date which is one year after the date of the first meeting of the Commission held pursuant to section 4(c).

SEC. 4. MEMBERSHIP.

(a) Number and Appointment- (1) The Commission shall be composed of 7 members, who shall be appointed, within 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, as follows:

(A) Three members shall be appointed by the President.

(B) Three members shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

(C) One member shall be appointed by the President pro tempore of the Senate.

(2) All members of the Commission shall be persons who are especially qualified to serve on the Commission by virtue of their education, training, or experience, particularly in the field of African-American studies.

(b) Terms- The term of office for members shall be for the life of the Commission. A vacancy in the Commission shall not affect the powers of the Commission, and shall be filled in the same manner in which the original appointment was made.

(c) First Meeting- The President shall call the first meeting of the Commission within 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, or within 30 days after the date on which legislation is enacted making appropriations to carry out this Act, whichever date is later.

(d) Quorum- Four members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number may hold hearings.

(e) Chair and Vice Chair- The Commission shall elect a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members. The term of office of each shall be for the life of the Commission.

(f) Compensation- (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), each member of the Commission shall receive compensation at the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay payable for GS-18 of the General Schedule under section 5332 of title 5, United States Code, for each day, including travel time, during which he or she is engaged in the actual performance of duties vested in the Commission.

(2) A member of the Commission who is a full-time officer or employee of the United States or a Member of Congress shall receive no additional pay, allowances, or benefits by reason of his or her service to the Commission.

(3) All members of the Commission shall be reimbursed for travel, subsistence, and other necessary expenses incurred by them in the performance of their duties to the extent authorized by chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code.

SEC. 5. POWERS OF THE COMMISSION.

(a) Hearings and Sessions- The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act, hold such hearings and sit and act at such times and at such places in the United States, and request the attendance and testimony of such witnesses and the production of such books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents, as the Commission considers appropriate. The Commission may request the Attorney General to invoke the aid of an appropriate United States district court to require, by subpoena or otherwise, such attendance, testimony, or production.

(b) Powers of Subcommittees and Members- Any subcommittee or member of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action which the Commission is authorized to take by this section.

(c) Obtaining Official Data- The Commission may acquire directly from the head of any department, agency, or instrumentality of the executive branch of the Government, available information which the Commission considers useful in the discharge of its duties. All departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the executive branch of the Government shall cooperate with the Commission with respect to such information and shall furnish all information requested by the Commission to the extent permitted by law.

SEC. 6. ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS.

(a) Staff- The Commission may, without regard to section 5311(b) of title 5, United States Code, appoint and fix the compensation of such personnel as the Commission considers appropriate.

(b) Applicability of Certain Civil Service Laws- The staff of the Commission may be appointed without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such title relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that the compensation of any employee of the Commission may not exceed a rate equal to the annual rate of basic pay payable for GS-18 of the General Schedule under section 5332 of title 5, United States Code.

(c) Experts and Consultants- The Commission may procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with the provisions of section 3109(b) of title 5, United States Code, but at rates for individuals not to exceed the daily equivalent of the highest rate payable under section 5332 of such title.

(d) Administrative Support Services- The Commission may enter into agreements with the Administrator of General Services for procurement of financial and administrative services necessary for the discharge of the duties of the Commission. Payment for such services shall be made by reimbursement from funds of the Commission in such amounts as may be agreed upon by the Chairman of the Commission and the Administrator.

(e) Contracts- The Commission may--

(1) procure supplies, services, and property by contract in accordance with applicable laws and regulations and to the extent or in such amounts as are provided in appropriations Acts; and

(2) enter into contracts with departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the Federal Government, State agencies, and private firms, institutions, and agencies, for the conduct of research or surveys, the preparation of reports, and other activities necessary for the discharge of the duties of the Commission, to the extent or in such amounts as are provided in appropriations Acts.

SEC. 7. TERMINATION.

The Commission shall terminate 90 days after the date on which the Commission submits its report to the Congress under section 3(c).

SEC. 8. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

To carry out the provisions of this Act, there are authorized to be appropriated $8,000,000.

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TheGanjaKing
01-30-2009, 06:53 PM
I can't find any evidence in any of my family history that we ever owned slaves. Of course, I'm not really sure how big slavery was in PA back then. Pretty much everyone of us was a farmer, and poor.

But honestly, this doesn't even surprise me in the least. I expected it.

Pressed_Rat
01-30-2009, 10:54 PM
I can't find any evidence in any of my family history that we ever owned slaves. Of course, I'm not really sure how big slavery was in PA back then. Pretty much everyone of us was a farmer, and poor.

But honestly, this doesn't even surprise me in the least. I expected it.

Absolutely. I know for a fact that none of my ancestors owned slaves. They all came over from Scotland incredibly poor with only the clothes they were wearing.

hippiehillbilly
01-30-2009, 11:06 PM
it doesnt matter where your ancestors came from,your a white american,its your duty to pay these poor people back for the injustices that neither you or your ancestors had anything to do with.

WanderingturnupII
01-30-2009, 11:24 PM
In 1685, Louis XIV ran the Huguenots, French Protestants, out of France. These were some of my ancestors. This deprived me of my right to be French! Caused me needless suffering for having to live through the Bush years as an American! Prevents me from properly appreciating the works of Voltaire! As reparation fo this, I figure France owes me a whorehouse in Marseilles. Now, for a limited time only, I will be accepting any donations for my "Sue the Pants off France" legal fund.....

Fyrenza
02-06-2009, 07:48 PM
In 1685, Louis XIV ran the Huguenots, French Protestants, out of France. These were some of my ancestors. This deprived me of my right to be French! Caused me needless suffering for having to live through the Bush years as an American! Prevents me from properly appreciating the works of Voltaire! As reparation fo this, I figure France owes me a whorehouse in Marseilles. Now, for a limited time only, I will be accepting any donations for my "Sue the Pants off France" legal fund.....

ROFLMAO!!!

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 07:52 PM
Um, who made this bill?

Was it a private members' bill? Did the republicans make this bill?

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 07:54 PM
And gee, I think reparations for enslaving people is great! A very progressive and democratic way of organizing a social structure, in my view.

On the other hand, this very well could turn out to be something much like the Indian Act we have in Canada. Where Native women who married white men were excluded and striped from their Indian Status. (This has since changed in the 1980s)

I wouldn't want to see that kind of racial status assigned to African-Americans that in which perpetuates their institutionalized oppression.

Fyrenza
02-06-2009, 07:56 PM
THIS is some of the first order of business for the 111th Congress?!?

EXCUSE ME?!?!?

It's DONE.

It's OVER WITH.

WE didn't "do" it.

THEY didn't "suffer" it.

NO amount of money is going to make it "right" between us.

The only thing that could possibly do that is for us to learn from it and never repeat that horrible mistake.

Zoomie
02-06-2009, 07:59 PM
According to the original poster (and I didn't check, which is dangerous in this forum) It was introduced and sponsored by John Conyers (D-MI) and Robert C. Scott (D-VA).

You should get elected and introduce the same bill to your house of commons regarding the Inuit. It's only fair...

Fyrenza
02-06-2009, 08:00 PM
And gee, I think reparations for enslaving people is great! A very progressive and democratic way of organizing a social structure, in my view.

Might i suggest that you start a movement in Canada to help out the (supposed) victims?

Maybe get all the other countries that condoned this practice to chip in?

Could be a better use of your time than coming here to post nonsense...

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 08:01 PM
THIS is some of the first order of business for the 111th Congress?!?

EXCUSE ME?!?!?

It's DONE.

It's OVER WITH.

WE didn't "do" it.

THEY didn't "suffer" it.

NO amount of money is going to make it "right" between us.

The only thing that could possibly do that is for us to learn from it and never repeat that horrible mistake.

Umm, reparations for keeping black folks out of the education system and schools would be most definitely appropriate in this case.

Forcing them to live in "black neighbourhoods" and ghettos would be another reason for reparations. I think a lot of money would help these people and help to make things right. Maybe someone should act like they fuckin' give a damn.

JMO.

Zoomie
02-06-2009, 08:02 PM
They did. John Conyers and Bobby Scott.

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 08:02 PM
Might i suggest that you start a movement in Canada to help out the (supposed) victims?

Maybe get all the other countries that condoned this practice to chip in?

Could be a better use of your time than coming here to post nonsense...

What makes you Queen of the internet, Fyrenza?

Might I suggest that you tell each and every black folk to their face that you feel that you've never done a thing wrong to them and owe them nothing? Go ahead. Give it a whirl.

Fyrenza
02-06-2009, 08:04 PM
According to the original poster (and I didn't check, which is dangerous in this forum) It was introduced and sponsored by John Conyers (D-MI) and Robert C. Scott (D-VA).

You should get elected and introduce the same bill to your house of commons regarding the Inuit. It's only fair...

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h40/show

Oh, it's there, all-right-y!

Cripes...

Fyrenza
02-06-2009, 08:09 PM
What makes you Queen of the internet, Fyrenza?

Might I suggest that you tell each and every black folk to their face that you feel that you've never done a thing wrong to them and owe them nothing? Go ahead. Give it a whirl.

i do, Ari.

Every single day,

in every single way ~

i treat them exactly the way i would treat any prospective friend ~

as a true equal, and not like some dirty beggar come to plead for a handout.

i have another suggestion:

Why don't YOU try that? :rolleyes:

Zoomie
02-06-2009, 08:11 PM
I don't have a problem with this bill, even though pretty much all of my family came to this country in the 21st century. I don't work, I don't pay taxes, wtf do I care?

Give the black people all of Mississippi, 2/3 of Alabama and a goodly chunk of Georgia as reparations.

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 08:13 PM
I suggest YOU need to take your own suggestions, Fyrenza.

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 08:14 PM
I don't have a problem with this bill, even though pretty much all of my family came to this country in the 21st century. I don't work, I don't pay taxes, wtf do I care?

Give the black people all of Mississippi, 2/3 of Alabama and a goodly chunk of Georgia as reparations.

Sure, give them the drought regions. :rolleyes: :p

Zoomie
02-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Sure, give them the drought regions. :rolleyes: :p

That's not even funny. Those three coastal states have the best Ag in the east. They also traditionally had the most slaves and the highest degrees of discrimination.

Fyrenza
02-06-2009, 08:21 PM
Forcing them to live in "black neighbourhoods" and ghettos would be another reason for reparations.

No one is "forced" to live in black neighborhoods ~ with Section 8 housing, a person can live wherever they please, as long as the landlord will accept the gov's rent checks.

Also, ask yourself this:

If you were in that situation, of choosing a place to live that would accept Section 8,

would you feel completely comfortable moving into a mini-Chinatown environment, or would you seek out other folks that share a common culture with you? Bear in mind that not knowing the unspoken "rules" is no excuse for breaking them, and the punishment for breaking them can be quite steep...

Bonkai
02-06-2009, 08:26 PM
I don't have a problem with this bill, even though pretty much all of my family came to this country in the 21st century. I don't work, I don't pay taxes, wtf do I care?

Give the black people all of Mississippi, 2/3 of Alabama and a goodly chunk of Georgia as reparations.

Fuck that, if they were gonna give out states they should give all the former slave states or former confederate states over. That would be fucking sweet. Serious though, every slave that lived is this country is dead so the people that deserve the money/reparations wont get it.

Besides if they pass such a bill who do you think is gonna pay for the reparations?! Everyone, and that just doesn't make sense. I think Affirmative Action is enough, fuck paying myself.

TheGanjaKing
02-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Fuck that, if they were gonna give out states they should give all the former slave states or former confederate states over. That would be fucking sweet. Serious though, every slave that lived is this country is dead so the people that deserve the money/reparations wont get it.

Besides if they pass such a bill who do you think is gonna pay for the reparations?! Everyone, and that just doesn't make sense. I think Affirmative Action is enough, fuck paying myself.

this is the most sensible response I've heard on this issue so far

Zoomie
02-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Fuck that, if they were gonna give out states they should give all the former slave states or former confederate states over. That would be fucking sweet.

You only comprise 12% of the population but you want 24% of the country? This is what I meant by some people feeling that equality is not equitable. Bigger bigger more more bling bling. Accept the apology, cash your check and quit bitching. :D

Zoomie
02-06-2009, 08:31 PM
Further, I can't believe a Texan and a Canadian are whining about what discrimination is and who should get reparations.

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 08:33 PM
No one is "forced" to live in black neighborhoods ~ with Section 8 housing, a person can live wherever they please, as long as the landlord will accept the gov's rent checks.

Also, ask yourself this:

If you were in that situation, of choosing a place to live that would accept Section 8,

would you feel completely comfortable moving into a mini-Chinatown environment, or would you seek out other folks that share a common culture with you? Bear in mind that not knowing the unspoken "rules" is no excuse for breaking them, and the punishment for breaking them can be quite steep...

Actually, if you knew your history, yes you would know that black people were forced to live in subsidized ghetto black neighbourhoods because white folk communities wouldn't have it any other way.

And to answer your question, I'd live in Kensington Market neighbourhood in a heartbeat. I love Chinatown. I've stayed in Queens. I've stayed in Sunest Park ("Little Mexico") neighbourhood in Brooklyn where you are the only white person for 30 blocks.

Black folks didn't just choose to live in ghettos, they were put there. Slave owners used to be good to their slaves, and would build them nice little segregated townhouse rows and such for them to live in, away from the rest of society.

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Further, I can't believe a Texan and a Canadian are whining about what discrimination is and who should get reparations.

Hahaha. The Canadian government gives out reparations to First Nations' people here like clockwork, just about every 4 years or so.

I suppose it makes sense in our situation more so than yours in this case, since the people receiving the money for the damage that was caused are still alive here.

mamaKCita
02-06-2009, 08:56 PM
ooooo! candian ignorance!!!! our tribes are alive, too, and getting money left and freaking right. but they still live dirt poor on their own sovereign nations.

Bonkai
02-06-2009, 09:02 PM
Further, I can't believe a Texan and a Canadian are whining about what discrimination is and who should get reparations.

I am? I had no idea I was whining about discrimination or reparation, I did discuss them, didn't think I was whining tho. Did you even read my post?! In any case reparations for slavery is a joke, it would be too costly, too difficult to determine who gets what, hell who even qualifies for reparations and frankly too little to late all the slaves are dead.

Aristartle
02-06-2009, 09:12 PM
I am? I had no idea I was whining about discrimination or reparation, I did discuss them, didn't think I was whining tho. Did you even read my post?! In any case reparations for slavery is a joke, it would be too costly, too difficult to determine who gets what, hell who even qualifies for reparations and frankly too little to late all the slaves are dead.

Yeah. I agree.

But maybe this commission is set out to track the ancestry of slavery and study the impacts on the people of their descendents.

fitzy21
02-06-2009, 09:28 PM
yes, lets not have them accept personal responsibility, and lets keep throwing money down the shitter

Pressed_Rat
02-06-2009, 09:28 PM
What makes you Queen of the internet, Fyrenza?

Might I suggest that you tell each and every black folk to their face that you feel that you've never done a thing wrong to them and owe them nothing? Go ahead. Give it a whirl.


What did Fyrenza do to black people? What did I do to black people?

I don't owe black people a damn thing for being white, other than the respect and common courtesy I would give to any other human being (black, white, yellow or red).

I mean, what you are saying IS racist.

Sorry, I don't buy into the idea that all white people are evil demons because of the lack of pigment in their skin.

HawaiianEye
02-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Good topic.Any black person that thinks he or she deserves reparations should call someone who cares.This is 'one' reason many people that are not rich have voted republican(the party for the wealthy) in the past,because of the democrats willingness to even listen to such an absurd and UNacceptable idea as reparations.

HawaiianEye
02-06-2009, 09:38 PM
By the way,does Oprah Winfrey want reparations too?

hippiehillbilly
02-06-2009, 09:54 PM
?

Might I suggest that you tell each and every black folk to their face that you feel that you've never done a thing wrong to them and owe them nothing? Go ahead. Give it a whirl.

i will because i havent,nor has any of my ancestors. my fathers parents came from poland,he was the first generation born in this country.
my mothers side is irish,creek indian and black..:eek: poor irish trash who never owned a slave and were themsleves nothing more than share croppers for the first couple generations here.

so why in the hell should i have to pay for something me or any of my ancestors had anything to do with??

scratcho
02-06-2009, 09:58 PM
I know for a fact that my ancestors had slaves in Missouri.So I'll take the blame and when they announce how much reparations will be--don't sweat it--I'll pick up the tab.(hope they'll take checks)

HawaiianEye
02-06-2009, 10:05 PM
so why in the hell should i have to pay for something me or any of my ancestors had anything to do with??

I agree with that,and most feel the same way.

Pressed_Rat
02-06-2009, 10:06 PM
It's really the liberal bleeding heart attitudes regarding racism that actually keep racism alive by continually emphasizing our differences based on skin color, making black people think they're somehow inferior and that white people owe them something simply because they are white. This also contributes to the slave mentality that keeps black people oppressed and from striving to reach their full potential. One of my father's good friends is black and would vehemently shun any idea of being paid reparations simply because he is a black man. So don't think all black people support this because they don't.

If anyone wants to point the finger at those responsible for slavery, then they should point the finger at the aristocratic families who were ultimately the ones behind this slavery to begin with -- not the average white person. Let THEM pay the reparations. Let that hideous scag of a beast over in Buckingham Palace pay reparations.

Fyrenza
02-06-2009, 10:12 PM
It's really the liberal bleeding heart attitudes regarding racism that actually keep racism alive by emphasizng our differences based on skin color, making black people think they're somehow inferior and that white people owe them something simply because they are white. This also contributes to the slave mentality that keeps black people oppressed and from striving to reach their full potential. One of my father's good friends is black and would vehemently shun any idea of being paid reperations simply because he is a black man. So don't think all black people support this because they don't. Those who do support this most likely do not care about the actual reparations, but simply getting something for nothing from the state at the expense of the taxpayers who had nothing to do with slavery in this country.

If anyone wants to point the finger at those responsible for slavery, then they should point the finger at the aristocratic families who were ultimately the ones behind this slavery to begin with -- not the average white person.

You've hit that nail squarely on the head! :cheers2:

HawaiianEye
02-06-2009, 10:17 PM
I do agree that many black people with common sense would probaby be against reparations.The media also plays a big part because the race card is always being played.

scratcho
02-06-2009, 10:25 PM
The race card will be played as long as there's race.It's too easy to be stupid.

Bonkai
02-06-2009, 10:30 PM
Sorry, I don't buy into the idea that all white people are evil demons because of the lack of pigment in their skin.

Awww c'mon white guilt is fun! It's one of the determining factors of my free speech, I can literally say what ever I want in almost any public setting and get away with it. Whilst if you're white you can't say as much derogatory things in public without possibly looking like a racist. MMMmmm now that's free speech I can believe in.

In all seriousness it's a shame that so many white people feel personally at fault for something they were not even involved in, but what can ya do.

mamaKCita
02-06-2009, 10:38 PM
i totally wanna have sex with you now.

Zoomie
02-07-2009, 01:53 AM
I am? I had no idea I was whining about discrimination or reparation,

I was talking about Fyrenza.

Aristartle
02-07-2009, 04:24 AM
What did Fyrenza do to black people? What did I do to black people?

I don't owe black people a damn thing for being white, other than the respect and common courtesy I would give to any other human being (black, white, yellow or red).

I mean, what you are saying IS racist.

Sorry, I don't buy into the idea that all white people are evil demons because of the lack of pigment in their skin.

What did I say that was racist? A suggestion? Pch. Poppycock.

Fyrenza
02-07-2009, 04:44 AM
I was talking about Fyrenza.

Huh?

Was i whining?

Or discriminating?

Or BOTH??? :eek:

Zoomie
02-07-2009, 02:34 PM
No dear, I said whining about what constitutes discrimination and who should or shouldn't GET reparations.

And since the entire idea is both ludicrous and likely to pass, yeah. Whining. Accept the inevitable. White folk are now the minority and we're gonna get our asses taxed for it.

Shit happens.

hippiehillbilly
02-07-2009, 02:48 PM
it would require being gainfully employed to be taxed so i dont see it affecting me for a very long time,if ever again..

still dont think its right though...

Funkateer
02-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Um, who made this bill?

Was it a private members' bill? Did the republicans make this bill?

HHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLD ON
ha
republicans would rather go to hell then make that bill

but seriously that shit happened a long time ago
Black people need to get the fuck over it.
Stop trying to get money out of it and trying to use it against white people
that had nothing to do with it. I am just damn tired of hearing about this subject.

Zoomie
02-07-2009, 02:54 PM
it would require being gainfully employed to be taxed so i dont see it affecting me for a very long time,if ever again...

Exactly my point, in my situation as well.

Funkateer
02-07-2009, 02:57 PM
Umm, reparations for keeping black folks out of the education system and schools would be most definitely appropriate in this case.

Forcing them to live in "black neighbourhoods" and ghettos would be another reason for reparations. I think a lot of money would help these people and help to make things right. Maybe someone should act like they fuckin' give a damn.

JMO.

I would love for you to see what would happen here if a bunch of random ass black people got a bunch of money. All the ghetto ass bastards you speak of would go on a spending spree with their government hand outs. Buy a bunch of shit they dont need and shit you probably dont want them to have. (like guns)

Its not that I dont like black people really its not. I just dont understand why I should be taxed for something my ancestors did not do and that they are so far removed from. I

hippiehillbilly
02-07-2009, 03:00 PM
on that line,fine give them their reparations with the stipulation that if you accept it you can never get ANY government assistance again. no public housing,no food stamps,no welfare,no medicaid, NOTHING ever again..

bet they wouldnt go for it..

Zoomie
02-07-2009, 03:03 PM
on that line,fine give them their reparations with the stipulation that if you accept it you can never get ANY government assistance again. no public housing,no food stamps,no welfare,no medicaid, NOTHING ever again..

bet they wouldnt go for it..

Double or nothing you're correct.

Fyrenza
02-07-2009, 04:35 PM
HHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLD ON
ha
republicans would rather go to hell then make that bill

but seriously that shit happened a long time ago
Black people need to get the fuck over it.
Stop trying to get money out of it and trying to use it against white people
that had nothing to do with it. I am just damn tired of hearing about this subject.

See, there's a MAJOR part of the problem!

The black folks aren't pushing for this ~ well, maybe Jesse Jack and his like, but it seems like they're on their way out... Regular folks aren't wanting it for themselves. It's all these bleeding-heart people, pushing to get these reparations for the poor, persecuted down-trodden black people that are to blame for keeping the race issue alive and well, thank you very much.

Think about it ~ black folks are everywhere. Do you take an inward gasp, and shift gears in your mind, in order to deal with them? Heck, no. You probably wouldn't think a thing about it if it wasn't constantly thrown into your face.

When it IS constantly thrown into your face, you start getting angry, because there is no reason for it. THEN, we get angry at the wrong people ~ it isn't the folks that would be receiving these reparations that are fighting for them and wanting them, but that's who we get mad at.

And the whole thing starts all over, again.

If we would just ignore it, it would crawl off and die a natural death, but they keep going to extreme measures to resurrect it, and WHY? WHO benefits? Not any of us, black or white.

And that is part of the rant i've been on about how we're calling "evil" things, "good," and "good" things, "evil."

<sigh>

zihger
02-07-2009, 05:24 PM
I didn't read the thread or the article just saw African slaves and

""To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity"
""subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans""

and the violin plays on.

I have one answer James Monroe.

” He is also the person for whom Monrovia, the capital city of Liberia, was named. Liberia is an African country founded by freed American slaves. Monroe, a slave owner, supported their repatriation (return to their place of origin) to Africa.”

If people want to go back 150 years lets take them back there.

hotwater
02-07-2009, 09:09 PM
It’s about time my family received its 40 acres and a Mule as granted by Special Army Field Order 15 :mad:

With interest accrued since 1865 I should have enough money to buy Savannah, GA and just maybe Key West, Fla. :cheers2:


Hotwater

Aristartle
02-07-2009, 09:33 PM
It’s about time my family received its 40 acres and a Mule as granted by Special Army Field Order 15 :mad:

With interest accrued since 1865 I should have enough to buy Savannah, GA and just maybe Key West, Fla. :cheers2:


Hotwater

Heh. That's the spirit!

Zoomie
02-07-2009, 09:37 PM
Hotwater, I got a house and a half acre in South Baltimore that you can have.

Of course the bank might ask for a payment or 320...

Zoomie
02-07-2009, 10:35 PM
I did a little homework. You white folk are safe. Conyers first introduced HR40 in 1989 and it shows up in congress again every few years. Never goes anywhere. A black man in the white house won't change that.

Translation: As usual, you wonderful people of color can suck it.

WanderingturnupII
02-07-2009, 11:15 PM
Slave owners used to be good to their slaves, and would build them nice little segregated townhouse rows and such for them to live in, away from the rest of society.

The key words there are Used To Be. The idea of modern Americans paying reparations to African-Americans for slavery is as silly as me expecting reparations for the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. What about reparations for the ancestors of transportees, or indentured servants? No mater how just these claims might be, and I see no justice in them, I feel no reason to pay for the sins of my ancestors. And some of my ancestors did own black slaves. That was their problem, not mine, nor anybody else living in the 21st century.

BTW, Is it true that there are no African-Canadians? I understand that somehow, y'all manage to survive by talking about "Black people". And that "Native Canadian" means "anyone born in Canada".

hotwater
02-08-2009, 12:11 AM
Hotwater, I got a house and a half acre in South Baltimore that you can have.

Of course the bank might ask for a payment or 320...

Nah, I want the whole neighborhood lock, stock and barrel, and expect to be addressed as Lord Baltimore http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater

hotwater
02-08-2009, 12:15 AM
Heh. That's the spirit!

We visionaries wear blinders when necessary http://www.hipforums.com/images/newsmilies/patriot.gif



Hotwater

mamaKCita
02-08-2009, 12:52 AM
It’s about time my family received its 40 acres and a Mule as granted by Special Army Field Order 15 :mad:

With interest accrued since 1865 I should have enough money to buy Savannah, GA and just maybe Key West, Fla. :cheers2:


Hotwater

hahaha. with property values sucking, that'd probably be ideal timing.

mamaKCita
02-08-2009, 12:54 AM
Nah, I want the whole neighborhood lock, stock and barrel, and expect all to address me by my new title Lord Baltimore http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Hotwater

done. i'll call you lord baltimore snowblower.

hotwater
02-08-2009, 04:43 AM
done. i'll call you lord baltimore snowblower.


Better make that Horatio Snowblower :confused:


Hotwater :)

mamaKCita
02-08-2009, 04:50 AM
Better make that Horatio Snowblower :confused:


Hotwater :)

you don't strike me as a navy man. i bet you get seasick.


me? i grew up around all kinds of seamen.


:)


:o

hotwater
02-08-2009, 04:58 AM
If I lived any closer to the sea here in portsmouth I could be the bastard son of poseidon himself :eek:


Hotwater

mamaKCita
02-08-2009, 05:24 PM
that would make you a beach guy. totally different than seaman.

Fyrenza
02-08-2009, 07:21 PM
that would make you a beach guy. totally different than seaman.

Beach BUM, eh? ;)

mamaKCita
02-08-2009, 07:26 PM
nah, king baltimor snowblower there is a yuppie.

hotwater
02-09-2009, 11:39 AM
nah, king baltimor snowblower there is a yuppie.

I'll settle for the title of Lord, thank you very much :mad:



Hotwater

mamaKCita
02-09-2009, 04:30 PM
my apologies, m'lord.

Fyrenza
02-09-2009, 06:26 PM
Hey, wasn't Lord Baltimore a one-album group way back when? :confused:


EX-cuuuuuuusssssssssseeeeeeeeeee me.


SIR Lord Baltimore!

Hmmm...

And they did FOUR albums: one in 1970, one in 1971, then a little break, one in 1994 and the latest in 2006.

(Must have run out of herb... ;) )

hotwater
02-10-2009, 11:33 AM
Hey, wasn't Lord Baltimore a one-album group way back when? :confused:


EX-cuuuuuuusssssssssseeeeeeeeeee me.


SIR Lord Baltimore!

Hmmm...

;)

Never heard of them :confused:

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/newforms/cola.jpg


Hotwater

Zoomie
02-10-2009, 01:02 PM
I want reparations. Everytime someone threatens to beat me like a redheaded stepchild, I have mental anguish and pain and suffering. I demand compensation. If I get a gun and climb a clocktower I cannot be held responsible. But until then please pay me.

Aristartle
02-11-2009, 04:35 AM
I'll give you what you deserve, Zoomie.

*kicks*

hotwater
02-11-2009, 11:21 AM
I want reparations. Everytime someone threatens to beat me like a redheaded stepchild, I have mental anguish and pain and suffering. I demand compensation. If I get a gun and climb a clocktower I cannot be held responsible. But until then please pay me.

And you deserve reparations like your other redheaded brethren; Oliver Cromwell, Lord Byron, William Shakespeare, Mark Twain, George Bernard Shaw, Andrew Jackson, Mary; Queen of Scots, Judas Iscariot, and Henry VIII http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

And so do I for my ancestors who were captured and placed in chains, forced marched hundreds of miles through thick equatorial jungle, placed within the hold of a ship, transported across the atlantic, beaten mercifully, sold into slavery, and then forced to work 14 hours a day in the searing heat of the southern U.S. for over 200 years :eek:


Hotwater

Zoomie
02-11-2009, 12:41 PM
The parallels between black people and red-haired people are startling. The white man wants to keep us down and have sex with our women. The difference is that black women have self respect while red-haired women are all slutty whores.

Yeah. I know what it's like to be in the struggle...

Fyrenza
02-11-2009, 05:23 PM
The parallels between black people and red-haired people are startling. The white man wants to keep us down and have sex with our women. The difference is that black women have self respect while red-haired women are all slutty whores.

Yeah. I know what it's like to be in the struggle...

HUH?!?!?!?!?

i'm a redhead, and i'm anything BUT a "slutty whore!"

<sniff!>

Zoomie
02-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Well of course you wouldn't admit it if you were.

And THAT'S why I was drawn to you. Shoulda know'd...

Aristartle
02-12-2009, 02:05 AM
The parallels between black people and red-haired people are startling. The white man wants to keep us down and have sex with our women. The difference is that black women have self respect while red-haired women are all slutty whores.

Yeah. I know what it's like to be in the struggle...

Oh, come'on. We're not all whores. ;)

Aristartle
02-12-2009, 02:06 AM
HUH?!?!?!?!?

i'm a redhead, and i'm anything BUT a "slutty whore!"

<sniff!>

pics please.

Fyrenza
02-12-2009, 02:10 AM
Well of course you wouldn't admit it if you were.

And THAT'S why I was drawn to you. Shoulda know'd...

Hrumph!

i didn't think of that...

Nevertheless, :rofl:

If i ever get well enough, i'll ask Dear to take another pic of me for my profile ~ the one that's there doesn't show my red hair, it just looks sort of mousy brown.

And wild.

And, yes, that's a ponytail at the top of my head to pull a bunch of the weight and "insulating" effects of wild hair off. Dorky, but it works. ;)

Aristartle
02-12-2009, 02:19 AM
Hrumph!

i didn't think of that...

Nevertheless, :rofl:

If i ever get well enough, i'll ask Dear to take another pic of me for my profile ~ the one that's there doesn't show my red hair, it just looks sort of mousy brown.

And wild.

And, yes, that's a ponytail at the top of my head to pull a bunch of the weight and "insulating" effects of wild hair off. Dorky, but it works. ;)

You look a little like my great Aunt Winnie.

Piney
02-12-2009, 02:21 AM
Um, who made this bill?

Was it a private members' bill? Did the republicans make this bill?
.................................................. .............................................

Its a Huge, HUGE gift to republicans. talk radio will make plenty on this blunder. Republicans will raise millions in donations.

Republicans haven't been so lucky since Bill Clinton was in the whitehouse.


Its no help to our President who is trying to settle and unify people, and to build faith in the economy.
Imagine the disruption to the recovery of reparations taxation.

John Conyers is a fist class ass

Fyrenza
02-12-2009, 02:47 AM
..............................................

John Conyers is a fist class ass

Ummm...

Freudian slip? ...

Fyrenza
02-12-2009, 02:50 AM
You look a little like my great Aunt Winnie.

Good grief! And my real name? Wendy.

hippiehillbilly
02-12-2009, 02:52 AM
.................................................. ......................................

our President who is trying to settle and unify people, and to build faith in the economy.


is that what you call what hes doing??

lol

Zoomie
02-12-2009, 03:26 AM
You look a little like my great Aunt Winnie.

She looks a lot like my sister Roberta, though not quite as meth'd out...

Aristartle
02-12-2009, 04:23 AM
She looks a lot like my sister Roberta, though not quite as meth'd out...

:willy_nilly:

Fyrenza
02-12-2009, 08:54 AM
i DO seem to get that a lot ~

that i look like someone folks have known, a long time ago,

or someone close to them.

i'm a basically trustworthy/honest person, and i think i must look that way to other people.

It does come in handy, sometimes... ;)

hotwater
02-12-2009, 09:47 PM
The parallels between black people and red-haired people are startling. The white man wants to keep us down and have sex with our women. The difference is that black women have self respect while red-haired women are all slutty whores.

Yeah. I know what it's like to be in the struggle...

Jane Elliot proved some of what you've said with her blue-eyed/brown-eyed
exercises back in the 60s but I'm not entirely convinced :mad:

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=J2673JGENN8&amp;feature=related


Hotwater

Zoomie
02-15-2009, 03:18 PM
I remember reading about that in Readers Digest when I was a kid. Interesting.