never done opiates but i have some

[bekyboo52]

hi there, i currently have 5, 30mg (140) of Tylenol 3s and i want to know if this would get me high at all.....i've never done opiates before though but i want to try them at least once... i wanted to know also if it was a good idea..

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

yeah probably, 150 mgs of codeine is enough for most people to get at least mild effects. Not me, but if youre an opiate virgin, then most likely. Some people dont get anything out of codeine, like 10%, Ive heard. Its totally safe, you dont have to worry about OD, or APAP killing you or anything, opiates are actually pretty safe.

[jo_k_er_man]

15.. ah.. you would have been better off starting at 13.. we all know the younger age you start abusing pills.. the better off the latter part of your life is gonna be

[bekyboo52]

15.. ah.. you would have been better off starting at 13.. we all know the younger age you start abusing pills.. the better off the latter part of your life is gonna be
oh haha very funny:rolleyes: i'm not abusing pills its a one time live for the moment thing...
i'm also not completely sure though...

[mephist00]

if you have never done opiates, then that should be enough to get you a nice buzz..

i use codeine sometimes when im out of oxy, its not a great buzz, but it keeps me from going through a withdrawal.. also, i do alot of oxy, so i have a real high tolerance to opiates, and still i can notice the effects of the codeine.

and its not a bad idea, just remember opiates are really addictive.. codeine is the least addicting opiate of them all.. if you start a daily use of them, you are still most likely to become addicted to opiates.. so just dont use them everyday and you will be fine.

[bekyboo52]

k, thnx 4 that but (i know ths sounds like im dumb but im just new) how do i do them....?

[mephist00]

well, you will probably just want to swallow them, they have tylenol mixed in with the codeine, so it would be a little painful if you snorted it.

to get a better buzz (because it releases the codeine faster), crush the pills, and wrap the powder up in some tissue paper, and swallow those.. its called parachuting.. just make a bunch of little balls of powder codeine wrapped in the tissue paper, better to make a bunch of small ones, then to have one big one..
because a big one can be hard to swallow, then if you cant swallow it, it might break and get a bunch of codeine on your tounge, doesnt taste so good eheh

[bekyboo52]

thnx, your awesome :).... sorry for being dumb thou ..lol :)

[mephist00]

no prob, and its all good, gotta learn it somewhere :D

just remember, dont ever get addicted to opiates.. i wouldnt wish it upon anyone.. its the worst addiction in the world lol

it can take a while to start making it a habit.. i did oxy for like 6 months without being addicted.. id do it a few times every couple of days, then my tolerance started getting higher, so i needed to do more.. and so on and now i kinda have a problem with opiates.. so just make sure you limit yourself :)

[bekyboo52]

:) lol...... its only a one time thing thou.... i don't want to be an addict/go through withdrawal or anything :)

[mephist00]

yea i know, but seriously thats how an addiction starts..

its all good, just giving you the heads up, because thats the exact way i was thinking when i started doin opiates, but if you dont do them like once ever few days, you most likely dont have anything to worry about, not tryin to freak you out, just opiate addiction is bad and emotionally painful

but go have fun and catch a nice buzz, peace

[Feelings Of U4ia]

150mg is quite a bit for an opiate virgin.

I would say 90 would be a better starting point honestly...even though it's incredibly weak, you don't want to be puking everywhere...it happens a lot when you are first starting opiates.

Anyways, tell us what you decided to do, and how it went!

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

no it doesnt. Ive never puked from an opiate, never even felt nauseous. 150 mgs isnt much at all, really, even if your hyper sensitive, youll just get really high, no big deal. or youll puke and gain an experience, but theres no reason to split up such a small dose.

[jo_k_er_man]

:) lol...... its only a one time thing thou.... i don't want to be an addict/go through withdrawal or anything :)


If i had a pill for every time i said that..

[sam&ella]

If i had a pill for every time i said that..

lol :cheers2:

[LegendInHisTime]

If I were you and never done opiates then I would highly recommend not trying to get high off them and just save them for when you have a headache or any other kinda pain. I'm not saying you'll get addicted off taking a few tylenol codeines but you got to start somewhere so its much better to never get a taste of the opiate high cause then you'll never know what your missing.

[china_white]

You totally can do it as a one time thing,
just think first, I don't know a single opiate addict,
who didn't start as a "one time thing"

[TooCrisp]

I'd say don't even do it....not worth knowing how good they are if you really want to keep it just a one time thing. those few hours of being high isn't worth the risk of getting hooked. that said, a codeine high isn't really all that great even for an opiate newb so you probably wont be rushing back for more, but it may lead you try to some of the stronger opioids like oxy's or vikes, which could and probably will lead you down a bad path.

i bet if you asked all the people on this board if they could take back every taking an opiate, as much they enjoy them, most people would probably say yes. i do them recreationally and enjoy them, space out my use and don't think im addicted, but knowing that there is something that could make me feel amazing makes being sober kinda suck at times, but if you've never tried it you won't miss it b/c being sober is all you know. something to think about.

[jo_k_er_man]

before long.. you'll be 17 and look like this
http://adultaddstrengths.com/wp-content/meth3yearslatercjtheresabaxterafter.jpg

[china_white]

i dont know about that too crisp,
but now I'm curious so will make a poll

[sam&ella]

before long.. you'll be 17 and look like this
http://adultaddstrengths.com/wp-content/meth3yearslatercjtheresabaxterafter.jpg


You found my drivers license photo!!!!

[Feelings Of U4ia]

no it doesnt. Ive never puked from an opiate, never even felt nauseous. 150 mgs isnt much at all, really, even if your hyper sensitive, youll just get really high, no big deal. or youll puke and gain an experience, but theres no reason to split up such a small dose.

Just because YOU haven't gotten nauseous, doesn't mean it isn't a common side effect.

150mg of Codeine is quite a bit for someone who has NEVER done an opiate before. It won't kill them, but it might be unpleasant, more then enjoyable.

Codeine comes in what, 30mg doses? 5 times the dose that is given is a small dose, and should NEVER be split up?

I have one of the highest tolerances out of anybody I know, but I still recommend people start low. It's common sense. You can always take more.

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

you can always take more if you have an unlimited supply. If its a one time thing, just go for it. If you split up the dose you'll end up regretting it. yes five codeine's are five times the given dose for pain relief, but remember its the weakest med available, so five times the given dose isnt as much as OxyContin or morphine. Now, this chick hasnt really given any info on her experience with drugs, specifically weed. If you blaze a lot, youll develop a cross tolerance to opiates. Everyone I know, and Im guessing most people on this forum, blaze hella, and need more than a threshold dose to get effects, even the first time. Its possible she has no experience with related drugs, but I doubt it. Worst case scenario, she pukes. Not OD, no liver damage, no probs.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Can you find some info regarding that claim that Marijuana will give you a cross tolerance to opiates please?

I don't smoke marijuana. I really don't see how using THC often would have anything to do with tolerance to an opiate.

Worst case is she pukes, yes. If she gets sick, she is going to probably dismiss opiates and hardly ever do them in fear that they will just make her sick. If she starts low, and takes enough just to feel the opiate, she will be pleased with opiates, and might try them again.

Take 2 or 3, wait an hour, and see how you feel, if you feel fine, take the others.

Also, find that tolerance research for me, k?

[Euphorial]

With codeine I started off doing 30mg (nothing happened), then 60mg (a little something happened), and then I jumped to CWE 180mg and felt pretty awesome.

I'd start with just one pill first (some people have allergic reactions to codeine!), and then next time take something around 100mg.

Quoted From CODEINE FAQ: "I have never noticed any euphoria below 100mg, so don't give up just because two 3s don't give you a high. *However, some unfortunate individuals are allergic to codeine, and, if you have never used it before, first try a dose of around 30-60mg and see what will happen. It is dangerous to start off in the high dose range." LINK (http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml)

In the end, u4ia was correct to suggest a low dosage to start with, but if no allergic reaction is seen you should DEF get up to 100mg or so.

:cheers2:

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Thanks. Any info on marijuana giving you a cross tolerance to opiates?

[Euphorial]

I'm actually interested to hear that too haha :rolleyes:

THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRFnGS1XPe4) is enough to prove him wrong, though. Weed fuckin' makes opiates work BETTER. There is no "cross-tolerance".

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Yeah, I know. I just wanted to see where he pulled that info from. Why and how would smoking THC on a normal basis give you a tolerance to opiates? I think he just means that if you smoke a lot of weed you are used to being fucked up, so you can handle opiates?

Who knows what he was talking about.

[Euphorial]

I think he just means that if you smoke a lot of weed you are used to being fucked up, so you can handle opiates?


That's probably a good guess, but yea I'm not sure.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Guess we shall await his response. If anyone else has heard of THC causing an opiate tolerance, then please post about it. Please post sources though, don't just post hearsay.

I just can't honestly see how smoking marijuana frequently would have any effect on an opiate tolerance. It doesn't really make sense body chemistry wise. I have been wrong before though, so some solid proof is what is needed. I just don't see this one actually being true.

[bekyboo52]

k, so i did the codein, but nothing happend....at all....so i don't think i'm going to try again as i said it was a one time thing but i'm pondering that because, well, nothing happend....any thoughts?

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Codeine is weak. Even if you have no tolerance to opiates, it's one of the weakest opiates you can get. I don't consider it recreational at all, but some people get a buzz from it.

Did you do all of the pills?

If you want to try opiates, try to get ahold of at the very least Hydrocodone, if not Oxycodone.

[Euphorial]

Read my thread, u4ia, it has an interesting discovery about opiates... including codeine :D

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

Guess we shall await his response. If anyone else has heard of THC causing an opiate tolerance, then please post about it. Please post sources though, don't just post hearsay.

I just can't honestly see how smoking marijuana frequently would have any effect on an opiate tolerance. It doesn't really make sense body chemistry wise. I have been wrong before though, so some solid proof is what is needed. I just don't see this one actually being true.

Thats because you dont know what youre talking about. You just said you dont smoke pot, so I wouldnt expect you to, but youre kind of being a dick about it. I didnt say I read a paper on the cross-tolerance between cannabinoids and opiates, I dont have any proof. What I do have, which I consider much more useful, is personal experience, a lot more than you. It makes perfect sense if you just think about it for a minute. Cannabis releases serotonin, opiates release serotonin. When you smoke pot all day, every day, you squeeze out a lot of serotonin. When youre serotonin levels are depleted, it takes a higher dosage of a drug to get equal affects than someone with normal levels. The cannabinoid may act on a different receptor, but it does effect opiate tolerance, at least for me and many associates (irl).

Oh and I was totally right, nothing bad happened to her. Take a chill pill, and realize that your opinion is not any more valid than anyone elses, you have yours which works for you, I have mine which works for me. Its just that mine is derived from experience and practicality, whereas yours, well, I dont know.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Ya know what, I had a whole response typed, but this kid isn't even worth it. You answered what I asked, if you had proof. You don't, you have personal experience with something that makes no sense. I am a PM patient, I have been for the past 7 years, needing these meds to function and be able to work and play with my daughter. That is much more experience then a stoner that occasionally takes opiates and smokes a lot of pot.

Based on your theory, I should have to take a mass amount of opiates after a night of using MDMA, considering how much of an effect that has on serotonin depletion, right? Every time I have taken MDMA, I took an opiate to smooth the comedown, and I've never had to take more then a normal dose. I am sure that the serotonin depletion from MDMA use is MUCH more then from marijuana.

[seizedbyanger]

oh haha very funny:rolleyes: i'm not abusing pills its a one time live for the moment thing...
i'm also not completely sure though...


usually how it starts.

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

Ya know what, I had a whole response typed, but this kid isn't even worth it. You answered what I asked, if you had proof. You don't, you have personal experience with something that makes no sense. I am a PM patient, I have been for the past 7 years, needing these meds to function and be able to work and play with my daughter. That is much more experience then a stoner that occasionally takes opiates and smokes a lot of pot.

Based on your theory, I should have to take a mass amount of opiates after a night of using MDMA, considering how much of an effect that has on serotonin depletion, right? Every time I have taken MDMA, I took an opiate to smooth the comedown, and I've never had to take more then a normal dose. I am sure that the serotonin depletion from MDMA use is MUCH more then from marijuana.

You make yourself sound ignorant a lot. I said chronic pot smoking, not one time use. the difference is pretty profound, but you obviously choose to play stupid, for whatever reason. you dont use MDMA several nights in a row do you? I bet if you did, no drug would do anything for you. Maybe you dont understand what smoking pot is like where I come from, but we take it very seriously. I dont pretend to know more than you about opiates, so dont pretend to know more than me about weed, ok?

Oh so youre a pain management patient, Im so intimidated by your presence. Because youre addicted, that makes you more legit than some one who isnt, do I understand this right? Fuck that shit dude, thats elitist. I gave a real life experience, which I value far more than any stuff found on the ever so reliable internet. And you cant appreciate that, because I dont have a doctorate, because I didnt perform clinical trials with my neuropathways, rather I observed an internal phenomenon, and chose to share it with the OP. I dont see what you dont understand about it, but at this point I dont give a shit. Youre a dick to everyone one this sub-forum who says fucking anything for no reason, probably because youre a junkie. I dont care why, what I do care about is that people show respect were respect is due, and you dont. If this kid isnt worth it, be man enough not to reply.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

You make yourself sound ignorant a lot. I said chronic pot smoking, not one time use. the difference is pretty profound, but you obviously choose to play stupid, for whatever reason. you dont use MDMA several nights in a row do you? I bet if you did, no drug would do anything for you. Maybe you dont understand what smoking pot is like where I come from, but we take it very seriously. I dont pretend to know more than you about opiates, so dont pretend to know more than me about weed, ok?

Oh so youre a pain management patient, Im so intimidated by your presence. Because youre addicted, that makes you more legit than some one who isnt, do I understand this right? Fuck that shit dude, thats elitist. I gave a real life experience, which I value far more than any stuff found on the ever so reliable internet. And you cant appreciate that, because I dont have a doctorate, because I didnt perform clinical trials with my neuropathways, rather I observed an internal phenomenon, and chose to share it with the OP. I dont see what you dont understand about it, but at this point I dont give a shit. Youre a dick to everyone one this sub-forum who says fucking anything for no reason, probably because youre a junkie. I dont care why, what I do care about is that people show respect were respect is due, and you dont. If this kid isnt worth it, be man enough not to reply.

Did I say I've only used pot ONE time? No, I didn't, again you can't read. I don't think I know more about weed than you, but I do know more about opiates, and tolerance. One night of MDMA use, RIGHT after using, at the end of the night, is going to have a bigger effect on serotonin depletion then chronic pot use. That is why potheads smoke pot, because it's "safe."

Because I am a pain management patient, means I'm some addict? Because I have to use pain meds to be able to function and do normal everyday things, you want to call me an addict? By all means, if that makes you feel better, what you decide to call it. I didn't choose to be on these meds. Sure, I dabbled into opiates when I was younger, and I enjoyed them, but I didn't binge on them. Now I need them to do everyday functions, including being able to sleep, work, and play with my daughter.

The only reason I brought up the fact that I am PM patient is to show you that I DO know opiates, and how they work, much more then you THINK you know by personal experience from occasional use. How does that make me elitist? I just stated that to show that I am more experienced then you in the field of opiates, because I have had to LIVE on them. If that makes me an elitist addict, then again, whatever makes you feel better.

You are an addict of pot, obviously. Does that make you any better? You seem to make it sound like it does. High and mighty potheads, gotta love em.

You gave real life experience? How is SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OF PAIN MANAGEMENT NOT REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE? You say I am elitist, yet you are actually the one acting elitist by bragging about your personal experiences about something that doesn't even make sense, just because placebo is a drug you aren't used to.

You weren't worth the last reply, but calling a person on pain management an addict/junkie when you don't know them when in reality it's something they didn't choose, unlike you, who smokes pot and does opiates to get fucked up when they want, is below the belt. You are ignorant.

Anybody on this forum who has half a brain gets respect from me. I'm sorry you don't fit the mold.

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

Ok, I thought this kid wasn't worth it. By one time use, I meant MDMA, anyone with half a brain could use context to figure that out, especially because you said you dont smoke pot. You have to realize that you react unnecessarily rudely to posters here. Ill chalk that up to being in a constant sedated daze, but still.

You weren't worth the last reply, but calling a person on pain management, something they didn't choose, unlike you, who smokes pot and does opiates to get fucked up when they want, is below the belt. You are ignorant.If Im ignorant, then explain this sentence to me, 'cause I just dont follow. What did I call you? Is there some rule out there I am unaware of that says be nice to junkies, its hard for them to stay awake, much less deal with criticism? Im afraid I dont give special treatment to anyone, especially disrespectful people.

Yes, because youve been on pain management for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS, you ARE an addict. your tolerance is higher than anyone you know, isnt it? And youre right, I am a full blown cannabis addict. Thats why I came onto this thread, to brag about how much pot I smoke, and lie about my experiences. And to be super-elitist.

The funniest part is you think youre NOT an elitist. Read your fucking signature man. Trance sucks, but I dont write it on my clothing, because I respect individual taste. Seriously, the only people Ive ever met who were into trance were e-tards and mountain folk. I seriously doubt any of them had an IQ of 130. But youre from Florida, so I guess you have a skewed perspective on intelligence.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Ok, I thought this kid wasn't worth it. By one time use, I meant MDMA, anyone with half a brain could use context to figure that out, especially because you said you dont smoke pot. You have to realize that you react unnecessarily rudely to posters here. Ill chalk that up to being in a constant sedated daze, but still.

If Im ignorant, then explain this sentence to me, 'cause I just dont follow. What did I call you? Is there some rule out there I am unaware of that says be nice to junkies, its hard for them to stay awake, much less deal with criticism? Im afraid I dont give special treatment to anyone, especially disrespectful people.

Yes, because youve been on pain management for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS, you ARE an addict. your tolerance is higher than anyone you know, isnt it? And youre right, I am a full blown cannabis addict. Thats why I came onto this thread, to brag about how much pot I smoke, and lie about my experiences. And to be super-elitist.

The funniest part is you think youre NOT an elitist. Read your fucking signature man. Trance sucks, but I dont write it on my clothing, because I respect individual taste. Seriously, the only people Ive ever met who were into trance were e-tards and mountain folk. I seriously doubt any of them had an IQ of 130. But youre from Florida, so I guess you have a skewed perspective on intelligence.

If you take that signature seriously, it was intended for people like you to complain about. Obviously it's fucking over-the-top and ridiculous...I didn't even write it. It served it's purpose, to upset you.

Did I say you "called" me something? So calling someone constitutes as the definition of ignorance? Interesting! I said you were ignorant because you say you are spouting out info based on personal use, when I have personal use on opiates, the topic you are trying to argue with me. Look it up next time, instead of just assuming that name calling means being ignorant.

I will reply to the rest of your ridiculous post when I wake up and have the time to deal with it.

As I said, your LAST post wasn't worth it, but calling someone who is forced to be on PM an addict is crossing the line. For the third time, you can't read correctly.

Anyways, you will be banned soon enough, don't worry.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Not to mention, all of this started because I simply asked if you had proof behind the statement that you said. That certainly is grounds to completely attack someone! Well done! Someone didn't believe what you said, and you cried.

Just had to grab this last quote from you, considering you are unaware of the people who are extremely sensitive to Codeine:

yeah probably, 150 mgs of codeine is enough for most people to get at least mild effects. Not me, but if youre an opiate virgin, then most likely. Some people dont get anything out of codeine, like 10%, Ive heard. Its totally safe, you dont have to worry about OD, or APAP killing you or anything, opiates are actually pretty safe.

Opiates are actually pretty safe! Yeah, you don't need to worry about anything with opiates, except respiratory depression and such! Go ahead! Way to tell people the best advice they can get. You made up some random percentage off the top of your head for people who DON'T get effects from Codeine (?? what? rofl) and failed to mention that certain people are extremely sensitive and can have really adverse reactions to Codeine.

Good job.

"I've heard" that you don't have any real knowledge besides personal (which is never GOOD knowledge if you don't know much about the drug you are consuming) and hearsay from "associates."

I've heard, is always a good way to start out or end a sentence when you are talking about something to do with drugs, real reassuring.

:rolleyes:

[Natas666]

Heres some reading just so this shite can be over with and the answers are NOT clear cut so personal experience is just that.Not taking sides just bring some studies to the table, I love a good debate and this is an interesting topic.

"There have not been extensive clinical studies of the analgesic potency of cannabinoids, but the available data from animal studies indicate that cannabinoids could be useful analgesics. In general, cannabinoids seem to be mild to moderate analgesics. Opiates, such as morphine and codeine, are the most widely used drugs for the treatment of acute pain, but they are not consistently effective in chronic pain; they often induce nausea and sedation, and tolerance occurs in some patients. Recent research has made it clear that CB1 receptor agonists act on pathways that partially overlap with those activated by opioids but through pharmacologically distinct mechanisms (see chapter 2). Therefore, they would probably have a different side effect profile and perhaps additive or synergistic analgesic efficacy."

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376&page=R1



"Cross tolerance has been demonstrated between delta-9-THC, delta-8-THC and its synthetic analogues. Cross tolerance, has not been demonstrated between THC and lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), mescaline or morphine (McMillan et al., 1970)."

http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/Library/studies/nc/nc1d_8.htm

"Morphine and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) produce antinociception via mu opioid and cannabinoid CB1 receptors, respectively, located in central nervous system (CNS) regions including periaqueductal gray and spinal cord. Chronic treatment with morphine or THC produces antinociceptive tolerance and cellular adaptations that include receptor desensitization. Previous studies have shown that administration of combined sub-analgesic doses of THC+morphine produced antinociception in the absence of tolerance. The present study assessed receptor-mediated G-protein activity in spinal cord and periaqueductal gray following chronic administration of THC, morphine or low dose combination. Rats received morphine (escalating doses from 1 to 6x75 mg s.c. pellets or s.c. injection of 100 to 200 mg/kg twice daily), THC (4 mg/kg i.p. twice daily) or low dose combination (0.75 mg/kg each morphine (s.c) and THC (i.p.) twice daily) for 6.5 days. Antinociception was measured in one cohort of rats using the paw pressure test, and a second cohort was assessed for agonist-stimulated [35S]GTPgammaS binding. Chronic administration of morphine or THC produced antinociceptive tolerance to the respective drugs, whereas combination treatment did not produce tolerance. Administration of THC attenuated cannabinoid CB1 receptor-stimulated G-protein activity in both periaqueductal gray and spinal cord, and administration of morphine decreased mu opioid receptor-stimulated [35S]GTPgammaS binding in spinal cord or periaqueductal gray, depending on route of administration. In contrast, combination treatment did not alter cannabinoid CB1 receptor- or mu opioid receptor-stimulated G-protein activity in either region. These results demonstrate that low dose THC-morphine combination treatment produces antinociception in the absence of tolerance or attenuation of receptor activity."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17603035?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12606610?ordinalpos=7&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11445192?ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8138952?ordinalpos=18&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2997827?ordinalpos=23&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/97703?ordinalpos=32&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^That is all I asked for in the first place, was SOME ground to walk on, and he flipped a lid.

Either way, it's inconclusive, and it's already been stated that THC and Opiates have a synergistic effect.

If this was conclusive evidence, it would be a pre-requisite question before being prescribed opiates.

He stated that abuse of marijuana causes a tolerance to opiates, which isn't true. Thank you for that research though, at least someone can find something!

[Natas666]

yeah, thats all I was pointing out is that there is no "definitive" proof yet.Thats why I hate these forums sometimes everyone thinks they are a damn guru, be humble and for arguments sake- BACK SHIT up at least even if its non conclusive.

[Euphorial]

People need to look at things OBJECTIVELY :mad:

It seriously just makes stuff easier, and everything starts to make more sense. :p

[RELAYER]

Since this thread has taken the negative route with personal attacks, it is now closed.
Please guys, all of you, let's keep the personal issues to private messages, calling someone a junkie is an insult and has only negative intentions behind which is obviously going to offend some people. There are no rules against expressing yourself here, but there are rules concerning personal attacks. If you feel you are being harassed by a member, report the posts, message a moderator, and please try and avoid responding to posts that only exist to instigate more pointless bickering.