Cant remember the name or site of what im looking for

[jo_k_er_man]

it was a chart that compared bioavailability of opioids by IV IR IM.. anyone help me out?

[sellekenblour]

Hehe, I think that I've found it :patriot::
http://forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-16766.html

[jo_k_er_man]

no,.. but thanks anyways.. it was posted either in this forum or the pharmaceutical forum awhile back

[jo_k_er_man]

n/m i found it.. it was as easy as searching for "chart" i self doubted and figured i wouldnt find it with such vagueness

[does2]

I couldn't find it.

This link has some info. and links to good conversion charts.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=286899

[china_white]

this is a simple calculator to convert doses from one to the other

http://www.globalrph.com/narcoticonv.htm

[patHAOomg]

i know exactly what site you are referring to, but i've been looking for it for forever, since i found it the last time.

i wish i wasn't oped up when i found it last time because i might have done the smart thing and BOOKMARKED THE DAMN PAGE lol

[Euphorial]

this is a simple calculator to convert doses from one to the other

http://www.globalrph.com/narcoticonv.htm

haha awesome, so I'm not the only one who has found that :D

When I first discovered that I just played around with it lol.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Remember guys, that is for analgesia, not for buzz...so it doesn't help too much unless you are looking for ONLY pain relief conversions.

[Euphorial]

Ah, yes... +1 :D

[china_white]

yes i know, but its better then nothing for dose conversion

[Feelings Of U4ia]

yes i know, but its better then nothing for dose conversion

It's better then nothing, but it really doesn't work well if you are trying to actually convert buzz vs. buzz....

It's actually really off if you think about it. Try a couple conversions yourself, of things you have done. You will see what I mean...it's WAY off in terms of buzz.

Take for instance Fentanyl. It has AMAZING analgesia potential, and the most MINUSCULE amount will relieve pain, but it will take much more to actually give you a buzz. The conversion from Oxycodone to Fentanyl and visa versa is alllllll fucked up.

Not to mention, that converter doesn't have most of the ROA's that WE use, haha.

[china_white]

thats true, but if you have nothing to base it on you atleast have a starting point to discover your proper dose.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Yeah, I've used it for that, a starting point, I just want to make it clear that it's analgesia, not buzz. When I first found this, I didn't realize that, because I never read anything, lol.

[china_white]

haha well it doesn't take to long to figure that one out

[jo_k_er_man]

i dunno some of it relatively converts to buzz worthy ness.. i'd have to look back exactly but.. im pretty sure it has dilly about 2-3X stronger than oxy.. and opana about 4-6X stronger than oxy.. which are both relatively correct in my experiences

[Feelings Of U4ia]

haha well it doesn't take to long to figure that one out



^If you are already high it does.

Haha.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

i dunno some of it relatively converts to buzz worthy ness.. i'd have to look back exactly but.. im pretty sure it has dilly about 2-3X stronger than oxy.. and opana about 4-6X stronger than oxy.. which are both relatively correct in my experiences

Dilly = 2 to 3 times stronger then oxy, but how would you convert that buzz wise? You have to take into account bioavailability, and route of administration to. Dillys have HORRIBLE oral bioavailability.

If dilly is 2 times stronger, then 10mg of Dilly would equal 5mg of Oxycodone, which is not even close to correct...

That's what I mean, it's really hard to work it out, because of the BA and ROA factors.

[jo_k_er_man]

Dilly = 2 to 3 times stronger then oxy, but how would you convert that buzz wise? You have to take into account bioavailability, and route of administration to. Dillys have HORRIBLE oral bioavailability.

If dilly is 2 times stronger, then 10mg of Dilly would equal 5mg of Oxycodone, which is not even close to correct...

That's what I mean, it's really hard to work it out, because of the BA and ROA factors.


2-3x stronger would mean 10mg of dilly would approximently be about 20-30mg of oxy

[jo_k_er_man]

im talkin about IN

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Ooops you are right.

What is IN? Intranasal? If so, the bioavailability of intranasal opiates, isn't far off from Oral usually. IN dilly is worthless too. The oral BA of Oxycodone is actually HIGHER then IN. See where things could get fucked up?

[jo_k_er_man]

Ooops you are right.

What is IN? Intranasal? If so, the bioavailability of intranasal opiates, isn't far off from Oral usually. IN dilly is worthless too. The oral BA of Oxycodone is actually HIGHER then IN. See where things could get fucked up?


yea... but if you already have a decent understanding of opiates.. the conversion makes some sense.. all morphine analogs have low oral BA and decent nasal BA.. while codeine analogs have decent oral BA and better nasal BA.. so knowing these simple facts helps you use these conversion charts a little easier... so really these charts only help people that kinda already know about opiates.. if you have no clue.. yes.. this chart will not help you at all

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Codeine has a high nasal BA? I didn't even know people snort codeine, because it's always paired up with APAP.

[jo_k_er_man]

Codeine has a high nasal BA? I didn't even know people snort codeine, because it's always paired up with APAP.

i didn't mean codeine itself.. though i couldnt tell you never wasted my time on trying to snort it.. cuz codeine is pretty worthless... but oxycodone is better IN than oral

[china_white]

ive always thought nasal oxy was more intense but weaker at the same time,
as in it takes less orally to get you off but its more mellow and chill,
sorry if this makes no sense

[jo_k_er_man]

ive always thought nasal oxy was more intense but weaker at the same time,
as in it takes less orally to get you off but its more mellow and chill,
sorry if this makes no sense


no.. i totally understand.. Oxy is stronger intranasally cuz it hits you all at once.. making hit you hard.. but at the same time lasting much shorter.. while eating it its a lesser high with a longer duration because of digestion... i feel the same way with dilaudid.. orally was good.. cuz it lasted for 3-4hrs.. while snorting it only lasted like an hour or two.. but usually i was nodding and passed out within an hour when snorting dilly

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Oxycodone is MUCH better orally, IMO. The BA is higher, and it lasts a FUCKLOAD longer then snorting it. You might not get that same instant rush, but that rush barely lasts long enough to be worth it anyways. I'd rather be pretty high for 2 hours, then have a good rush and be slightly high for 1 hour.

I'm about to IV 8mg of dilly in a minute here. Been about a month since doing anything IV.

[does2]

^ ooooh aaaah

[china_white]

damn u4ia you better be feeling AMAZING

[jo_k_er_man]

damn 8mg of dilly up my nose felt wunderkind.. i can only imagine how well it is IV..

u4ia... ok.. so here's the debate im always seeing.. dilly IV vs. H.. which is better.. its probably about 50/50 from what i've read

[china_white]

from what i understand dilly is more intense rush but no legs,
H isn't as orgasmic rush but it lasts longer and leaves you floating in euphoria,
someone correct me if im wrong

[Feelings Of U4ia]

damn 8mg of dilly up my nose felt wunderkind.. i can only imagine how well it is IV..

u4ia... ok.. so here's the debate im always seeing.. dilly IV vs. H.. which is better.. its probably about 50/50 from what i've read

I ended up doing that first 8mg early on, and didn't get much of a rush. About 2 hours later, I went to a friend's house, blasted 16mg dilly IV. Nice rush, still no nod.

Ended up doing 32mg over the course of the night, up until around 7am.

Dilly has a GREAT initial rush, but as china said, it doesn't last long AT ALL.

I haven't even snorted H, let alone IV'ed it, so I really have no idea what H feels like, but from what I have heard, it's about a 50-50 split as to which drug is better to IV.

A lot of people say the rush from IV dilly is just as good, if not better then H...and you always know what you are getting as well. I've also heard that you can't compare H to anything, and that it is incredible, much better then dilly. I've heard H has much more of an orgasmic rush. My brother described heroin like this..."take the best orgasm you have had, mix that with the best blow up you've ever had from MDMA, and multiply that by around 100, and you might be close to what a shot of good H feels like."

I probably won't ever shoot up H. I have never even seen it around my area, and haven't been curious/had the balls to even attempt to find it.

I don't IV much, maybe once every month or two months, and I am going to keep it at that. My veins are so fucking hard to hit, that it's actually frustrating every time I try to IV, so that is another reason I don't do it often, it's a pain in the ass.