meth is not your friend.

[serra]

it's true. the stuff is evil. i watch it ruin friends all the time. problem with being involved in this here rave scene is that people often confuse being a raver with being a druggie- sometimes it's hard to tell which is which.

meth is usually something that makes the difference obvious.

[KBlaze]

yeah, my best friend who i've known since 1st grade and always used to get stoned with got into that stuff recently. it started out like hed bust the speed pipe out when were gettin high, and little by little it gets worse...now i see him once every other month or so and he lives in a house with other methusers and sometimes i get down on myself for not trying to stop him, but its like, its his choice you know, i try and respect my friends' decisions, but am i a bastard for not doing anything?

[PeRrY]

Your friends gonna do what hes gonna do. But if you know hes gonna hurt himself, or he gets outta control(which it sounds like he is), then your an asshole for not doing anything. But if hes keeping it cool, then let him be

[Ediction421]

I actually smoke a little meth here and there. Last night, for instance...
As always, meth must be used in moderation. This is near impossible for most people though... I think it has something to do with the crash...

[PeRrY]

You get up there with the exhale of your 1st hit, thats why when you come down, Its so easy to smoke some more,and not be crashing hard but this time you gotta smoke more then when you did last time, then the next times you need more and more to get off.
and like the above person said
It needs to be in moderation, But with such a good buzz, its hard to resist

[Ediction421]

:eek: Yeah, I don't think I finished that post or somethin. Anyways, I've been on one since last night, or I was on one. I just eat nutrition bars and the come down is a nice smooth transition back to almost-sobriety. I say almost only because I haven't slept, can't sleep when the light comes out.
It's gotta be the hardest drug I know of to not want to re-up you're high, it's never enough. And whats worse, you come down and think, hey, I did it, so I my as well do it again since I can. Thats another lesson wrapped up in experience... Bad ones.:mad:

[Dallas-321]

Take it from someone who threw away 3 years of their life on meth.

METH WILL RUIN YOU.

To the guy who is losing a freind to meth you need to at least talk to him. Dont come at him like your better because you dont do meth because that wont work. Ive lost many freinds to this bullshit and its quite frustrating to watch poeple you care for hurting themselves. The best you can do is point out the things that he probably doesnt see. For instance is he is hanging out with a totally different set of freinds than he used to. Things that he can rationalize and identify with are all he is going to listen to.

To anyone else that is just starting out on this long walk off a short peir. Think about it. There are many people who have beleived that they were going to be that 1-5% that didnt get addicted and 99-95% of those people found out the hard way. This includes myself. Are those the kind of odds you want to stake your life on?

.... steps off the soapbox

[fallenangel]

I think that a meth high is the best i've ever experienced. That scares the shit out of me tho b/c that makes it even harder to resist. I know so many ppl who do this on a daily basis, wasting away both physically & mentally, Will i eventually end up like that?

[KBlaze]

yeah wow. i see now my assholeery is obvious. well im hanging out with the guy on fri and ill see what i can do. thanks for the input everyone

[serra]

responses that i expected! meth is a bad, bad thing. to the girl who said it's one of the best highs and that's why it scares you- it know what you mean! i've done it a few times and i always want to do more. it scares me because it's the only thing i've ever found myself fiending for! this is why i stay away....


to the guy who's friend is getting into it. that sucks a lot. i know you can't change what he wants to do with himself, but what you CAN do is remain a sturdy support for him. don't turn on him, because that will push him away. when i first got into "drugs" in high school, all my strait friends were "worried" about me, but they all stopped hanging out with me. bad move, because who KEPT hanging out with me? other stoners! and now look at me! (just kidding. just an example)
but you should try and remain as a presence in your friend's life at least. don't tell him/her what to do, but just try and show that you are there for them.... just my opinion/advice, anyways.

and to the guy who got off meth: Good for you!! *hugs*

[Ediction421]

Eh, I know this is probably not the best thread to be putting the following but I have to tell someone about this...

First off, I fucked up and smoked meth yesterday for the second time this month, damn... for this week actually. I should mention I didn't buy it though... you see, I was out walking around and I bumbed into one of my mom's freinds and he was like "Oh hey Mike! Man... Dude c'mon you've got to try this c'mon I'll give you a sample, Oh this shit is fuckin great just got finished..." Something about some new freind or whatever makeing it. So anyways, I wasn't really doing shit and we were right next to his house, so I was like "Alright". Dude... It didn't look special, it looked kinda off colored actually. But I did what I said I was gonna do and took a hit... At first I thought it was just same old average dope, but I noticed something hella crazy. The smoke literally fell to the floor. Not a slight, or even somewhat fast sinking like it normally does(I do get good dope when I indulge don't get me wrong), but that shit just dropped. litterally as if it weighed a pound or something. For somereason he let me finish the bowl to my head, well, actually it's cuz it was so strong and he had already had enough. anyways I smoked it and went home and ate because I fealt kinda twitchy and way overly tense. After I ate it was somewhat smoother for awhile until I apparently got a little dehydrated somehow. Anyways, that was yesterday at like 4:00pm. and im still fucking spun. Which doesn't exactly thrill me. I keep jerking towards sounds and shit, and im not hungry(I eat anyways though, learned habit). Im slightly paranoid about god knows what("Sometime's it feels like... somebody's watching meee") And my pupils are as big as an owls at midnight. Everyone can tell, my boss didn't even ask if I was going to work(This is acceptable behavior where im from...). Of course I could work quite easily right now, but I obviuosly look tense and paranoid. Eating isn't helping. Maybe I should go buy sleeping pills, but it's not really that this is that bad either. Fuck, look at that tangent! All I meant to say was this was some bomb shit. At least my song is downloaded.:)

So yeah, I've never smoked shit like this that dropped that fast and fealt this strong for so long with no clear sighn of diminishment.

That being said, Fuck Meth. Being all speeded up just makes you act and look sketchy. Weed never complicates thing's like this. No insights to be found here, just false promises and the fucked up tendency to make you emotional over stupid shit.

On the up though, I would like to mention I got a lotta songs downloaded last night.:rolleyes:

[Ediction421]

You know what? Man, FUCK THIS. Ima quit and rehabituate my habit to makeing MONEY. Dude, im still high and now rather irratated which is growing on itself and, oh yeah never mind fuck it. Im makeing an ass of myself. This is probably all directly related to the fact that I have no ciggarrettes. I would quit those, but im useing them as a crutch to help stay mostly sober. Yeah, besides this meth I haven't been doing much of anything lately... Time to cut back I guess.;)
p.s. My apologies to for useing this post as a place to vent.

[~piscean]-[delusions]

hmm, meth... yea, I've had my run in with the stuff... another amazing substance in my opinon, but certainly not for everyone... I'm not tweeking right now, nor have I for a few months now, but I still think about it quite a bit and I would do it again, but then again I'll do anything when it's convenient to do and as long as it isn't getting in the way of what I need to take care of... it's the trucker's choice, hitler endorsed it and man does it burn but holy shit look at the productivity... until you burn yourself out from being awake for 72 hours straight or more. the brain needs a rest once in awhile... I believe every substance has the potential to be a valueable tool when not abused, but most people can't control themselves. I rely on inner strength because I refuse to let a substance consume me - I am the consumer, not the substance.

[reef]

hrm... meth what a drug.
my favorite drug i would dare say

though i have been clean for several months now, i still think about doing it. especially when you get the extremely pure stuff, that is the worst.

i would recommend you stay clear from it, but your gonna what your gonna do.

as with most people at first i found myself thinking myself responsible convincing myself i was doing good by using it only in moderation which soon became a joke. even though i only used it for a short time.. heh LOL

i already know i'm changed forever. but what are you gonna do?

[firelip]

Afterw watching dozens of friends get sucked down the meth rat hole, i can offer a few observations gleaned over the last 25 years.

We all know about the induce paranoid behaviour and violent tendancies. A surprise effect that we have observed over and over is the induced bipolar disorder that lasts for 6 months to 2 years after the user puts the drug down. Every regular meth usuer i have come across has increased the amplitude of their mood swings to the point of classic bipolar disorder. I think it has to do with the damage to the neurtransmitter receptors. in any event, they are left wacked for a hell of a long time after they quit. My advice for those with friends who are into meth. recognize that if they are heavy into the shit, that they are no longer your friends. Just get away and let them rot or crawl out of the hole they have dug for themselves. Some will make it out, but most will just use and hurt anyone foolish enough to care about them. They will be fine one day just to be a dangerously whacked the next. Fuck the speed demons! Frank Zappa said,"speed turns you into your grandparents" His generation learned the speed lesons the hard way, but did not hand down the wisdo to their children.

Jim

[~piscean]-[delusions]

Jim, I have to agree with your input on the subject, fortunately I was always strong enough to not let myself be consumed by the substances I chose to consume, but I did notice the bipolar thing, I still notice it but it isn't nearly as irratic as it was. Still, I can't say I wouldn't do it again, but that's only because I don't get out of hand, I've had my initial experiments in excess and survived it quite well aside from the after effects. The pain of day to day reality makes it all the more subtle in comparison.

[FunkyPhreshMama]

i recently had to turn a friend down who called my house, said she wanted to hang out but soon i find out she is broke, being evicted and lost her car.

She has a meth problem and was only using her connection with me to try to find drugs, get a ride, and probly crash cuz she can no longer afford her meth habbit and pay her bills..............

[reef]

i find it disenheartening when i can recognize meth for what it is, but yet still have the desire to use again.

it saddens me to think of all the wonderful, and i mean wonderful, explorations ive had with my friends and know that meth was involved.

[Dallas-321]

Very well said firelip.

[~piscean]-[delusions]

I feel for everyone who loses control and hope that they'll figure it out for their wellbeing.

[crystalstarr]

i didnt bother reading the whole thread. i just read the post started and ya i agree 100%!i did meth for 4 years and it nearly killed me. i weighed around 90 pounds when i finally got clean and im 5'7 so it was nasty. i had those gross sores on my body, my teeth are fucked, and i STILL after 6 years experince heart papulations! that shit will kill you.

[Ediction421]

Yeah, truely the devil in disguise with another form of temptation as his bait. Growing up in a crack house I used to ping pong around from mad, sad, despaire and Irate because of the fucked up state of thing's. Constantly seeing people that seemed to represent the epitimy of human existence, do the most desperate, violent and selfish thing's without even I second or after thought. It's hard to see people grow into there habits, Eventually getting to the point where they accept there life as a failure and that they are nothing more then they never look back. Well, almost never.

It's hard to find good help and actual support, and without it it's almost impossible.

Society does not help by turning there head to these people. Claiming to be such good people when all they really care about is themselves.

Im on a deppressing little tangent today, im gonna go get myself out and about now. Although ultimately for no reason.

[cotter builds]

never want to try it.....i got this think against addictive stuff....though i think ill try coke someday.....opiates are out of the question, im allergic. but meth, i dont trust anything that explodes....on the other hand....the smoke sinks?! i might want to get some just to see smoke sink!!! thats fucking awesome!

[WayfaringStranger]

NO SHIT
i dont know what makes you kids think that drugs arent bad for you. anybody who gets on drugs, deserves em in my opinion. now the herb and some mushrooms are natural harmless and not drugs. but this chemical shit thats been designed by the man is designed to fuck you over. its a type of dehumanizing slavery. the worlds run by devils, they want to keep you week, cus when your not weakend, youre stronger than them.

[cotter builds]

but what about acid? or crack? crack is natural.

[reef]

kinda funny how now, it's easy to point out people you suspect of spraking. walk by and your like oh he's a spraker, or your like you need a piece of gum dude LOL!!!

[geckopelli]

Speed Pyschosis is inevitable in long term meth heads.

Smoking it hastens the psuedo-addiction; better to eat or snort it.

My sister's been a speedo for 20+ years.

I sped my life away,
It passed me by one day.
It didn't want to play.
It just ran away.

[MeatWagon499]

i just tried meth last night for the first time with a friend. we did 4 lines and i had a 30mg adderall xr. scary shit IMO. great until i came down and couldnt sleep. lost 8 pounds in 1 day. my heart is about ready to come out of my chest and its been a full day since i did my 1st line. my pupils are almost back to normal too.

this drug is great and all--but its scary. this was the 1st time i did uppers and im just not used to it. im sticking to cigarettes from now on, meth is just too dangerous of a drug to mess with.

[Cosmic Butterfly]

Well said WayFaringStranger!


Meth is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Dont take my word for it, ask some mother earth psychedelics....

[SpringSnow]

This is a very interesting threat, methinks.

Where I come from it seems that meth is unknown. People do MDMA, but regular amphetamines don't seem to be very popular at all.

What I have always wondered, is: why take them? I always imagined amphetamines to be the kind of upper a soldier might use in war, or someone under stress (Adolf Hitler), but is it enjoyable to take them just for fun? (Apparently it is).

I mean, what do people do while on meth? Do you run your errands? Work out at the gym or jog? Write 94830480384 letters??...

I really don't get it. It must be 'cause I'm not an 'upper' kind of person myself (never take more than a couple of coffees...), and stick to the good ol' vegan druggie's golden rule:

plants and shrooms = good
all that is chemical = bad.

Oh, well...

[MeatWagon499]

my friend who does meth regularly does it while at school alot to get work done.. but when shes at home she writes alot when on it or just talks to people on the phone.

its not that great really

[sag aloo]

methamphetamine is not 'evil' any more than weed or alcohol or stop signs r - it's just a chemical. Some people have bad problems with it true. Strictly speaking this is the wrong forum since methamphetamine is now known 2 b a natural drug.

[DarkLunacy]

JESUS CHRIST! My friends are trying to be invincible fucking teens! God damn. I just found out they know some people who can get them equipment and guess what the little masterminds are doing!? GUESS! They're gonna set up a meth lab! Fucking hell man. I've watched this shit eat away at people who didn't even relize the damage. I always told them the three prime evils of the drug world were Blow, Heroin, and Speed. I told them from personal experience what a meth crash is like and theyre still going through with it! Fucking hell! "Dude, were not stupid like everyone else who did it. Were gonna be selling most of it anyway." Fucking hell... I mean we all watched are coke head friend slowly fall into crack and binge for 3 months till he ran out of money and decided that he had to quit before he was to far fucked. He even now relizes that it did fuck him over cause the desire will always be there. But do they listen? "Dude calm down its not gonna be like that." This is coming from the same guy getting violent for pot. Its so fucking terrible... I'm not even around to try and stop it. I brought them off cloud 9 when they wanted to make LSD but I cant get them to change their mind on this. Its horrible. Knowing them it will probably fall through like everything else but I cant help worry, what if it doesnt you know. What if this is the one thing they really go all the way with and blow themselves to hell... I remember talking to one girl I absolutly adore and it was real late and we were talking about drugs and I started telling her how I used to babysit and she told me she was thinking of trying meth and asked me if she should. I presented her with straight facts and she decided not to do it. That was a real cool feeling for me knowing that I helped stop a potential junkie case... But man... This is just horrible... Sorry for ranting. I needed to vent on how much I hate meth

[MeatWagon499]

dude if their under 18 you should tell their parents for their own sakes. you dont want to lose friends to drugs man =/

[serra]

yeah.... crazy stuff. i just watched one of my good friends completely loose his mind for about 20 hours. this past weekend was the first time he ever did meth.

total amphetamine psychosis. i don't claim to be an expert but i am taking psych in university and i was like... man you've flipped! and i got out the textbook and showed everyone the definition for amphetamine psychosis and everyone was like holy shit! that's exactly how he's acting!!

thankfully he's almost back to normal now. i was really worried for a bit there. hopefully he learned his lesson.

[twoseeeyes]

I dunno, meth is a very clean high, kinda like coke, but not at all. Very weird drug, I don't even know why people would want to do it all the time.

[madboy139]

while methamphetamine is found naturally in plant sources all of it thats on the street is synthesized so this is a completely fine place for a meth thread.

[Ediction421]

"Fuck meth"

[KarlaF]

I'm writing a small book for kids about crystal meth and other amphetamines, as part of it I need to get quotes from people about their experiences. These are done in strictest confidence, and people can choose a false name to protect their privacy.

I'd like to get quotes from different people on the following:
1. Anyone in their teens or early 20s who has been offered these drugs.
2. What a bad comedown feels like.
3. Someone who has been made anxious or paranoid by the drugs.
4. Someone who has injected them (preferably who has now given up).
5. What it's like living with, being friends with or related to a meth or speed addict.
6. Someone who stole/lied/cheated to fund their habit.
7. What it's like giving up these drugs.

Would you like to get involved with this project? Please contact me through this website.

Thanks for your time and I really hope you can help!!

best wishes,
Karla

[serra]

i have a story about a friend of mine and his first meth binge.





he started doing it just.... because. it was just so random, karl just gets some meth one thursday. he asked if my boyfriend at the time and i wanted to do it with him, and we said no thanks. but he got it anyways and did it all night. two nights later i come home from work and he's at my place with another friend and they have been at my boyfriend all evening to do bitch with them. he hasn't given in.

but eventually they decide to do it anyways. and so begins my friend addiction. by the end of the next day he was so paranoid- total amphetamine psychosis. (i'm a psych student so i was already familiar with a lot of the symptoms of it, but i never would've expected that it would hit so QUICKLY.)

he was completely afraid that there was a "kid" waiting outside his apartment window. this kid was just waiting there, to steal stuff, to break it, to do whatever. karl would stand there, staring at the window, for hours. holding this hammer. he stopped sleeping and started doing meth constantly.

the meth also kept making him think that he was peeing all the time. he was constantly going to the bathroom and spending 10, 20 minutes at a time "checking" his pants. he thought he was wetting himself. one time we went to his place to "rescue" him from the kid and he was standing in the middle of his living room, holding the hammer, starring at the window with no pants on. it was completely wacked. we brought him back to my place, in hopes that maybe he could get some sleep. i also convinced him to give me the rest of his bitch, just because he was so fucking crazy.

this lasted for about a week. he's not crazy anymore, but he's still paranoid about the kid, and still does bitch every once in a while. it was so damn weird, that whole experience just made me realize how wacked this stuff really is. i mean, this is a nice, friendly, really cool guy we're talking about here. and meth totally made him loose his mind the SECOND time he did it.




hope that helps. oh, and i changed his name.

[KarlaF]

That's a good story, I hope your friend is OK now! Thanks for helping out.

Karla

[twstd_munky]

meth is satan.....im STILL coming down....its been 48 fuckin hrs since my last bowl&line.....and i slept for like 10 hrs last night....i dont get it....i think it was cut w/ some bad shit....i was completely numb all over yesterday for many hrs....not normal for meth...it was hard to breathe i can breathe now though....i was speedballing....im all shakey and uncoordinated....jittery and paranoid...and im the only one that is feelin like this out of a group of like 7 ppl...fuck this shit

[MeatWagon499]

careful what you wish for...